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Zamak is an industrial zinc metal held to standards, this is the polar opposite of "pot metal". They share some of the same base metals in much the way urine and bottled water share water as its primary makeup, does this make them the same? Zamak has the contaminates removed that cause material problems. You get the same ignorance on alot of gun forums when you have some "wikipedia" experts make claims that a gun someone else just bought was made of pot metal because it was made of Zamak. Zamak has been used in everything from guns, to household items, to automobiles, motorcycles, etc... for the better part of a century. It has no more or less problems than any other material and doesn't have the internal erosion factor that actual "pot metals" have if used correctly, thats the entire purpose of Zamak is to overcome that.

Its not just that there are matchbox cars that look brand new after 40 years, minibikes made of Zamak from way before that are just fine.

Bottom line, anyone stupid enbough to compare Zamak with a true pot metal are probably dumb enough to suggest that you wouldn't need silica to do sand casts, because you can just dig sand out of a local playground and sift the cat **** out of it. Even precise mixes of metals don't make the final product 100% of what it will be, theres also tolerances used by a company, how well the pieces are checked (ie. do they batch check small parts, do they sample based on pieces produced, time running, ets) what quality are the dies being used, how well are they maintained, how skilled are the staff in the process, etc.. etc.. but the bottom line is, these are manufacturing issues, NOT material issues.

I worked my first two years out of high school in a multi cast factory, then the next 4 at Chrysler Kokomo Diecast while putting myself through school. The amount of BS spouted in this thread alone is just pathetic. Its one thing to say, I don't like diecast because its heavy, it doesnt work on my flight stands, it makes my figure top heavy, I prefer the feel of plastic, etc... but to try to troll people and repeatedly post misinformation is just silly beyond words.

Lerath is spouting rubbish in an attempt to convince people that theres something more wrong with diecast. I'm done with my rant, if you're dumb enough to buy into this ignorance then pass on the diecast series, I'll enjoy mine either way.
 
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HOWEVER, it's entirely possible that something goes wrong in the smelting process. Becuase of its relatively low melting point, and relatively fast cooling and hardening period, its possible for air to get trapped inside , which can and generaly does lead to decay, cracking, flaking and general breaking. This sort of thing Can also be caused by an improper mixing of metal ratios when creating the alloy in the first place.

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I'm not saying don't buy it. By all means, purchase it if you like it. I'm just asking people to know what it is they're buying, and to not get taken in by the hype.

So, your picture proof of how bad Zamak is, is posting an old flywheel not made of Zamak? You're brilliant dude. Do you know what element this pic is representative of in breaking down?

Heres a hint, its not an element found in Zamak (or at least should be well under 10 thousandth of one percent, thus the entire reason for using Zamak) :slap
 
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Thanks. :duff

To be clear, though,on the other hand, I'm not trying to be a "pusher of diecast". If thats not your thing, by all means, don't jump into the line. I've had plenty of experience on both the production and consumer side, so I have nor reservations.

Lerath666 is actually an intelligent poster for those who know him and a pretty good guy all around, but I swear to god, hes like Captain Ahab on this diecast stuff. Its the misdirection and bogus pics "scare tactics" which I think suck. :lol
 
:exactly:

These guys could suck the fun out of almost anything.

Theres too much awesome for the fun to be sucked out of this:
Hot-Toys-Whiplash-Mark-2-Sixth-Scale-Figure-iron-man-2-008-600x400.jpg

I can't wait to play, I mean pose this collectible next year. :lol
 
Theres too much awesome for the fun to be sucked out of this:
Hot-Toys-Whiplash-Mark-2-Sixth-Scale-Figure-iron-man-2-008-600x400.jpg

I can't wait to play, I mean pose this collectible next year. :lol

Amen!

I would love to have mine displayed with my Mark VI & War Machine, but he will likely have his own shelf of awesomeness like Iron Monger due to space restrictions :)
 
Crap, wrong thread. Meant to post in Warmachine Mark II thread.:slap

My bad, haha. Carry on.
 
If you think that diecast is a 'cheap, low quality' material but the manufacturers are charging more for those figures, then logically cost is going to be an issue, no?

Way to take quotes out of context. Especially the first one. Pathetic.
 
Zamak is an industrial zinc metal held to standards, this is the polar opposite of "pot metal". They share some of the same base metals in much the way urine and bottled water share water as its primary makeup, does this make them the same? Zamak has the contaminates removed that cause material problems. You get the same ignorance on alot of gun forums when you have some "wikipedia" experts make claims that a gun someone else just bought was made of pot metal because it was made of Zamak. Zamak has been used in everything from guns, to household items, to automobiles, motorcycles, etc... for the better part of a century. It has no more or less problems than any other material and doesn't have the internal erosion factor that actual "pot metals" have if used correctly, thats the entire purpose of Zamak is to overcome that.

Its not just that there are matchbox cars that look brand new after 40 years, minibikes made of Zamak from way before that are just fine.

Bottom line, anyone stupid enbough to compare Zamak with a true pot metal are probably dumb enough to suggest that you wouldn't need silica to do sand casts, because you can just dig sand out of a local playground and sift the cat **** out of it. Even precise mixes of metals don't make the final product 100% of what it will be, theres also tolerances used by a company, how well the pieces are checked (ie. do they batch check small parts, do they sample based on pieces produced, time running, ets) what quality are the dies being used, how well are they maintained, how skilled are the staff in the process, etc.. etc.. but the bottom line is, these are manufacturing issues, NOT material issues.

I worked my first two years out of high school in a multi cast factory, then the next 4 at Chrysler Kokomo Diecast while putting myself through school. The amount of BS spouted in this thread alone is just pathetic. Its one thing to say, I don't like diecast because its heavy, it doesnt work on my flight stands, it makes my figure top heavy, I prefer the feel of plastic, etc... but to try to troll people and repeatedly post misinformation is just silly beyond words.

Lerath is spouting rubbish in an attempt to convince people that theres something more wrong with diecast. I'm done with my rant, if you're dumb enough to buy into this ignorance then pass on the diecast series, I'll enjoy mine either way.

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Word!
 
Way to take quotes out of context. Especially the first one. Pathetic.


You mean like this?:

Mr Walker said:
I hate diecast. I hate people who think diecast is new, fresh,. exciting, or in any way desirable....


You have the right of reply, so by all means explain the context of why you feel cost is not an issue, despite you also claiming diecast figures are cheaper to make than plastic figures.. since diecast are being retailed at a higher price, it should make for interesting reading.
Niltusk covered the technical details pretty thoroughly.. so please elaborate on (in your own words) how its "the greatest con ever pulled on collectors" yet cost is not involved.
 
On the subject of the part helmeted, head sculpt, i was intrigued enough to do some research and there is a very brief moment in the movie when Whiplash Mk II does kinda have this look.. blink and you will miss it.. at 0:06 -

 
You mean like this?:




You have the right of reply, so by all means explain the context of why you feel cost is not an issue, despite you also claiming diecast figures are cheaper to make than plastic figures.. since diecast are being retailed at a higher price, it should make for interesting reading.
Niltusk covered the technical details pretty thoroughly.. so please elaborate on (in your own words) how its "the greatest con ever pulled on collectors" yet cost is not involved.

You've deliberately and dishonestly quoted me out of context previously.

I'd rather have nothing more to do with you than tell you your "theory", insofar as it applies to me, is merely a figment of your imagination.
 
You've deliberately and dishonestly quoted me out of context previously.

I'd rather have nothing more to do with you.


No, I simply tried to work out from what you had previously posted, the real reason why you repeatedly sledged diecast figures in a significant number of threads on the subject.. I'm certainly not going to post a wall of text, containing everything you have posted on the subject.. and I asked a perfectly reasonable question after those quotes, giving you the opportunity to elaborate (and have since given you a second opportunity).

You claim cost has nothing to do with it.. despite referring to 'pot metal' (clearly used as a pejorative term) being a cheap and undesirable product and also describing it as "the greatest con ever pulled on collectors".. if you want to post opinions but not justify them, that is your prerogative.. readers will draw their own conclusions.
 
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