Do not use "gift" when sending payment by paypal

[Gakken85]

Never had issues with gifted payments on other forums, especially macrossworld. I don't know if we're just a tighter community or what but it's a good way to cut out the middle man and get good prices.

I think we should have a strong feedback system and consistent good buyers should trust each other... if not, what's the point of being here and having a community?

Also, as to fees - I see it as the whole reason to sell on a private forum like this, namely to avoid paying fees and get the best deal for both parties. Otherwise, why not just take everything to ebay?

Again, I've never had issues on other forums. So that's my 2 cents.

 

[Chiefrocka]

Has anyone here ever paid for a item using "gift" option and never received? Stiffed sorta say? New to the boards so u really don't know how that works.. Just bought a mark vii new at good price from a member here with 100% feedback but I gotta say I'm lil nervous about actually getting it

 

[Figure5901]

Also, as to fees - I see it as the whole reason to sell on a private forum like this, namely to avoid paying fees and get the best deal for both parties. Otherwise, why not just take everything to ebay?

Again, I've never had issues on other forums. So that's my 2 cents.

When you sell on ebay you get hit with ebay's final value fee plus the Paypal fee. On a forum like this there are only PayPal fees that you will incur. So there is an advantage to selling here in spite of the Paypal fees.

I have never asked anyone to send payment as "Gift" unless it's an overseas sale and they don't want to pay for trackable shipping. If someone asks me to pay the PayPal fees on a sale I simply offer to split the fees and it's worked so far.

The Feedback system is nice but I don't use it as a gauge on whether I will send money as "Gift" or "Payment for goods". I use it to determine if I even want to do business with this person or not. Too many people have been burned by 100% positive feedback sellers.

 

[Gakken85]

Well, I don't see why paypal should get a cut if they don't need to. If you're a man and you honor your items and deals you shouldn't need to give them a fee. If you meet somebody off craigslist and buy a figure you're not giving craigslist 5%.

I've always asked for gifted and if you can't pay it add the fees. I can offer a lower price, and I can get all the money I expect.

I've always seen it that if people rip somebody off the buyer will report it and that seller won't be able to do business anymore. Users can search for deadbeats before they make a deal. The ability to sell without fees should be incentive enough to be a straight shooter in my opinion. I would also assume other members could send PM's to warn users of bad sellers.

Also, if you're not reporting bad sellers you're not doing your job to the community to protect other good buyers. That SHOULD be all the protection we need.

I guess the alternative is to jack up the price to cover fees. A seller shouldn't have to pay the buyer for the chance to do business, especially if it's a good deal.

But that's just me.

 

[thedarkknight]

Well, I don't see why paypal should get a cut if they don't need to. If you're a man and you honor your items and deals you shouldn't need to give them a fee. If you meet somebody off craigslist and buy a figure you're not giving craigslist 5%.

I've always asked for gifted and if you can't pay it add the fees. I can offer a lower price, and I can get all the money I expect.

I've always seen it that if people rip somebody off the buyer will report it and that seller won't be able to do business anymore. Users can search for deadbeats before they make a deal. The ability to sell without fees should be incentive enough to be a straight shooter in my opinion. I would also assume other members could send PM's to warn users of bad sellers.

Also, if you're not reporting bad sellers you're not doing your job to the community to protect other good buyers. That SHOULD be all the protection we need.

I guess the alternative is to jack up the price to cover fees. A seller shouldn't have to pay the buyer for the chance to do business, especially if it's a good deal.

But that's just me.

Paypal is a merchant service that gets a cut the same way VISA or MASTERCARD does from retail. It's cost of doing business. If you do not want to pay their fees, use something else. There is always cash, check or money order.

I don't think the Craigslist analogy is accurate because they are posting site and do not process payments for you, which is what Paypal does. It would be more accurate to compare Craiglist to this website, which also doesn't charge to advertise sales.

 

[Gakken85]

You can't mail people cash, and the gifted option exists for a reason.
I think the Craigslist analogy is sound.

Craigslist has regional sites for communities to help people buy and sell things they already own. SF is a community for people to sell things they own too, you just can't meet in person 9 times out of 10.

We are picking nits on if somebody should be a middleman and get a FEE for allowing you to sell something you already own, and then who should pay that fee. Paypal makes money on lots of things but they are really just acting as a middle man for the bank to transfer money. The small amount they comes through this site for toy trades and sells isn't going to break the bank. CL makes money off ads. Paypal makes money off every transaction. But, If paypal doesn't want to allow the gifted option as a choice they should take it off the site and remove the code.

So the gifted option exists, but some people are trying to demonize it because they are afraid to get ripped off. But truth be told if somebody wants to rip you off their are a lot of other ways to do it.

I think sellers complain because they don't want to pay more, and buyers complain because they want to make as much as they can, or at least get their money back without losing any. Nothing new under the sun here. Just more vocal on one side or the other.

 

[Deedzy]

I think the practice of asking for "gift payment" should be banned here.

This is a place where you can sell your collectibles and not have to deal with ebay fees plus having access to a large group of potential buyers who share the same interests.

I'm not saying that the seller should eat the fees but at least take 2 seconds to whip out a calculator and incorporate the fees into your asking price and send your buyer an invoice.

My 2 cents.

 

[Rambler]

I think the practice of asking for "gift payment" should be banned here.

This is a place where you can sell your collectibles and not have to deal with ebay fees plus having access to a large group of potential buyers who share the same interests.

I'm not saying that the seller should eat the fees but at least take 2 seconds to whip out a calculator and incorporate the fees into your asking price and send your buyer an invoice.

My 2 cents.

 

[averagejo]

If it is so frowned upon, why do so many people still insist the transaction go thru as "gift"?

 

[a-dev]

Probably a bunch of people who only use this forum for its commerce section. I'm sure there's exceptions but for the most part I'd say that's what it is. Serial buyers and sellers who want to avoid not only ebay fees but paypal fees aswell.

 

[SurlyJ]

And still charge the same as someone who sells through ebay or paypal. That I will never understand. If I'm willing to pay as a gift, I better be getting a discount off ebay/paypal fee prices, otherwise, why would anyone forego protection just for the hell of it?

 

[Mr Walker]

And still charge the same as someone who sells through ebay or paypal. That I will never understand. If I'm willing to pay as a gift, I better be getting a discount off ebay/paypal fee prices, otherwise, why would anyone forego protection just for the hell of it?

Correct.

I'd like to see the use of "gift" payments banned from the section.

 

[Gakken85]

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid fees. If you pay for an item the first time it belongs to you. Only you should profit off of it IMO.

But yeah if you say gifted payment it should be the base cost minus the Ebay fees you have factored in yourself.

That being said I've had nothing but good experiences here as a buyer and a seller so far. I think it's just a common sense thing.

 

[hennypenny]

I've just paid £63 via paypal for the initial deposit for the preorder of Batman armoury from Onesixthbruce. As the set will not be available until Oct 2014, the deposit will not be covered by paypal protection, so what is the benefit in paying for it as 'goods'? It would mean OSB will incur paypal fee which will eat into his profits. The price he is selling is already the best anywhere in the world. As he is helping us out, why don't we help him out and pay the initial deposit as gift? Obviously, I would want to pay the final balance as goods and get paypal protection.
What do people think?

 

[EVILFACE]

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid fees. If you pay for an item the first time it belongs to you. Only you should profit off of it IMO.

But yeah if you say gifted payment it should be the base cost minus the Ebay fees you have factored in yourself.

What does owning something have to do with PayPal fees? They fees are for using the service provided by PayPal.

Don't want fees, ask for a money order and then get no interest from anyone.

 

[Mr Walker]

There is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid fees. If you pay for an item the first time it belongs to you. Only you should profit off of it IMO.

Be professional about it, factor it into your selling price, don't sucker me in to threads telling me something is "x" price and then add the rider of (plus 4% more for fees).

Paypal fees are and always have been a sellers fee. Not sure some of the folk here seem to realise that.

 

[Batty]

Correct.

I'd like to see the use of "gift" payments banned from the section.

Won't have to worry about it after next week.

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6420654&postcount=57

 

[Mr Walker]

Won't have to worry about it after next week.

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6420654&postcount=57

But again, it appears part of the problem remains.

You can choose to have the buyer pay Paypal fees, but there is no choice for "gift."

It should just be the price the buyer pays is what is advertised, and that's it. No hidden catches, no extra costs.

 

[SurlyJ]

I agree. I always factor paypal prices into things, but say if someone is comfortable using gift, then I can discount it by the price of the fees. Same sort of result, but a more straightforward way of handling it since it is assumed that the seller pay seller fees. The buyer fee is the price of the item! And the APR of the credit card they likely put it on lol.

 

[Punishment1218]

Between the fees for the board and fees for Paypal...expect stuff to go up in price like crazy. Some people on here say they won't...but they will.