That's just sloppy. Anyone else think they should have spent more than a few weeks designing Castle Grayskull?????
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That's just sloppy. Anyone else think they should have spent more than a few weeks designing Castle Grayskull?????
um yeah
that's IF the 4 horseman put it together in just 2 weeks...which seemed rushed don't ya think??
Toyguru-2 weeks till toyfair....ok guys,go ahead and sculpt Castle Grayskull
I mean, the sculpt is beautiful, but it really was a first draft. If they'd had time to think about it there are some obvious errors you have to think they would have reconsidered.
Like the trap door back to the entrance....
Or a 7" entrance for 7"+ figures....
Or a prison which won't allow you to see the faces of the prisoners...
Or a trap door without a mechanism equal to what we had 30 years ago....
Or a parking space for an airplane inside of a castle with a closed ceiling...
There are lots of ways to fix all of these issues. I think they just rushed and went with the first draft.
I don't buy that at all. Total BS. When did the red thermometer meet the mark? Seems like months ago. So why would they wait the last minute to sculpt it?
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Mechanisms are up to design later, not to the 4H. Rushing has nothing to do with the scale of things if they aren't setting the height, but it's set by cost. Parking space was the 4H's idea (apparently, according to TG) and I too think it's silly but doing the sculpt in two weeks has nothing to do with it. Also, remember that's 16 people working lots of overtime in two weeks.
The 4H do sculpt quite a few other things that are coming out before Grayskull.
Mechanisms are up to design later, not to the 4H. Rushing has nothing to do with the scale of things if they aren't setting the height, but it's set by cost. Parking space was the 4H's idea (apparently, according to TG) and I too think it's silly but doing the sculpt in two weeks has nothing to do with it. Also, remember that's 16 people working lots of overtime in two weeks.
The door height is not 100% just a reflection of a maximum castle size. There were ways to get that extra inch in the doorway. As proof, they are looking into lowering the door into the base now.
16 people working overtime does not mean anyone had time to reflect and reconsider. It just means you had a lot of sleepy designers!
Mechanisms are up to design later, not to the 4H. Rushing has nothing to do with the scale of things if they aren't setting the height, but it's set by cost. Parking space was the 4H's idea (apparently, according to TG) and I too think it's silly but doing the sculpt in two weeks has nothing to do with it. Also, remember that's 16 people working lots of overtime in two weeks.
The 4H do sculpt quite a few other things that are coming out before Grayskull.
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two weeks to sculpt/design a castle seems like a rush job,especially reflecting the project done as you said
Toyguru said they were assembling it just minutes before the show started.It reminds me of that show FACEOFF (where they build monster costumes and only have a certain time to build them)...then with 15 mins left to complete the costume,they have to rush and never get to finish the costume the way they wanted it
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I'm not saying lowering the door isn't the right thing to do by any means. I'm just saying the notion that a bad decision was made because of the 2 week sculpt is not necessarily true. They might have thought it was fine and it was only after fans complained they realized. I often think maybe the jawbridge is just a bit too thick too. For instance, I'm sure the very large base wasn't because of a rush. It was a decision. Not sure what went into that decision, but I certainly feel like it was a bad one.
I just find the notion that two weeks is a "rush job" quite hilarious. It might be a rush job to us. But to 16 people working on it? And was it full time? Not full time? The window of time might seem small, but the total number of hours could be huge. The actual sculpt itself seems impeccable to me.
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I tend to think of myself as a "Reality Apologist" or maybe a "Fact Apologist."
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I DO NOT TRUST Scott Neitlich. The Stay-Puft Marshmallow man turned out to be cheap foam, the Voltron designed poorly and even Bob Gale apologized for the Hoverboard prop fiasco. This is not just some Fan doing this for passion, he gets paid by Mattel Inc.
I tend to think of myself as a "Reality Apologist" or maybe a "Fact Apologist."
Were you one of the 16 who worked on Grayskull in 2 weeks time?
unless you were there,who knows really how things were suppose to be played out or what accessories were in or out for CG
you can't always believe what Toyguru says,he may be a fan,but his salaried job is to sell toys and that is foremost what is most important to him,no matter what line he feeds us all
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Yeah. Especially when it comes to promised changes they pretty much never seem to actually happen. It would be interesting to go back and look at that. Compare the times when it was said something would be changed to how many times it actually was.
I actually can't think of any time when a change was stated when it actually happened.
edit: also as he himself even states, everything he says publicly is vetted by Mattel's people so for all intents and purposes anything he says isn't him speaking or writing. It's Mattel that we're hearing.
I actually can't think of any time when a change was stated when it actually happened.
edit: also as he himself even states, everything he says publicly is vetted by Mattel's people so for all intents and purposes anything he says isn't him speaking or writing. It's Mattel that we're hearing.
Two weeks is a rush job. It is impossible to step away from a creative work and evaluate what you've done in that short period of time. The list I posted above of ill conceived decisions in the construction are not just a matter of poor budgeting, but likely of just not having time to reflect on what they were doing.
Well, it looks that way to me. There sure is a lot about this Castle which is poorly conceived however you want to explain it....
Actually some of the Org members did a great Job with that
they posted video's from NYCC during the pre-order sale of CG and how Toyguru said we would NOT see less (but might get a little more)...
if only the product could match his said mouth
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Were you one of the 16 who worked on Grayskull in 2 weeks time?
unless you were there,who knows really how things were suppose to be played out or what accessories were in or out for CG
No, that's actually my point!
None of us can know if that was enough time or not enough time. Whether the some of the things turned out the way they did because of the time frame, or not. As a creative person working in a creative field that involves some manufacturing as well, I CAN say that sometimes you're called upon to do something in a short time frame simply because that's all the time that you can allot to it, and that the results can be just as great as they would have been with a longer period with "all hands on deck." In the end, it doesn't matter if it WASN'T enough time. The realities of business make you grow up fast and accept things that are imperfect. Or you don't make it long in the business world. That's my experience, at least. Again, it's not about saying the Castle is perfect. It's about being realistic about what the issues might be, what can be fixed, and what is just going to amount to fandom *****ing.
But this highlights one of the things I find most amusing about all of this. I think a certain amount of skepticism is very healthy. But some people want to have it both ways. They want to be totally skeptical of everything Scott says, but when it comes to the changes made to the Castle, they want to act as though, back then, they believed ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING he said to a tee.
I just don't get it! Maybe that's why I don't have an issue with this castle? At least not as much as some people do? I thought it was made abundantly clear changes could happen, so when they did... while I don't love all of them... most I can live with and I certainly wasn't surprised. If they can lower the jawbridge to make more room for figures in the doorway while it's open, I think it's awesome. I'd also love for them to eliminated the floating platform above the computer room that I think looks awkward and encroaches on the floor below. But I haven't seen a ton of people talking about that so I doubt it's even on their radar.
I also have faith in certain fans who saw it in person and thought it was huge in person. So that alleviates my worries, somewhat. I do feel like there's some "furniture shopping" going on here. You know how you can go pick out a couch and it seems reasonably sized at the store, but HUGE once you get it home? I think there's a little bit of that too, though of course there's no denying that there are still clearance issues, and the dungeon door is very silly where it's placed now.
Believe me, if they cut a ton of crap or the paint deco turns out crappy at SDCC I'll be cancelling my pre-order too! I'm not going to just blindly shell out money for this thing. But, at the same time, I just see a lot of people jumping to a lot of conclusions because they don't know the full score. And I've been on the other side of this. I'm a Senior Art Director for a large hobby company, and they have VERY passionate fans with message board after message board full of people with all these theories and assumptions that are SO far off base. And we just turn to each other and say "if they only knew!"
So I tend to keep that in mind when I'm the passionate fan talking about stuff where I don't have a ton of insight into the realities of producing something.
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Actually some of the Org members did a great Job with that
they posted video's from NYCC during the pre-order sale of CG and how Toyguru said we would NOT see less (but might get a little more)...
if only the product could match his said mouth
Hah, no kidding? You know that shouldn't surprise me at this point. I don't know if it's incompetence or willful intent but there's definitely quite a bit of disconnect between what is said and what is done.
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But this highlights one of the things I find most amusing about all of this. I think a certain amount of skepticism is very healthy. But some people want to have it both ways. They want to be totally skeptical of everything Scott says, but when it comes to the changes made to the Castle, they want to act as though, back then, they believed ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING he said to a tee.
That doesn't make any sense to me. What it sounds like you're saying is that because someone lies and are caught doing so we should not hold them accountable for lying?
Just because someone expects a lie doesn't mean that they should accept a lie.
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I'm not so sure that if the foam model came out with the smaller dimensions that as many would have subbed for it. Let's not downplay the difference. Some of these little adjustments are interesting but if it turns out badly, we won't have anytime to provide feedback before production starts up.
After all we've seen happen over the years with MOTUC, it's hard to imagine that we wouldn't have seen any changes. Regardless, the proto's dimensions along with the hopeful assurance that nothing out to be cut from here on out doesn't inspire alot of confidence. In the meantime there's enough good stuff coming down the pike to keep me positive.
After all we've seen happen over the years with MOTUC, it's hard to imagine that we wouldn't have seen any changes. Regardless, the proto's dimensions along with the hopeful assurance that nothing out to be cut from here on out doesn't inspire alot of confidence. In the meantime there's enough good stuff coming down the pike to keep me positive.
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No, he is saying that people are saying " I trust nothing this man says"
While at the same time saying " he said it was going to have 14 solid jade turrets. And now it's not there!"
Well, if you don't trust him, why did you believe him in the first place?
While at the same time saying " he said it was going to have 14 solid jade turrets. And now it's not there!"
Well, if you don't trust him, why did you believe him in the first place?
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