The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[jye4ever]

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When Joker shoots the bank worker in the knees in the beginning of the movie, the actor did a great job of buckling his knees to show injury.

There was no blood on his clothes or even on the floor, just him twisting his body to convey nerve, muscle damage.

Is that what kept the movie from getting a R rating, not showing any blood from the gun shots?

 

[DiFabio]

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Is that what kept the movie from getting a R rating, not showing any blood from the gun shots?

I didn't even know it was close to being an R rated movie?

 

[thenammagazine]

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I didn't even know it was close to being an R rated movie?

Squib hole in the shin of the pants, not the knee.

 

[The Mike]

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Considering how much blood could have been shown and how much actually was, I'm sure had to do a lot with it staying at PG13.

 

[Blood Electricity]

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I think I read somewhere that nolan had buckets of blood ready for the interrogation scene to throw on the glass but he felt it was unnecessary in the end.

Also, I like that Joker doesn't have a neat little ending...I think it's brilliant that batman leaves him for the swat team laughing and they cut to the next scene with him in mid-miniacal laugh.

I certainly hope they touch up on batman breaking his one rule by killing dent. To me that would really make me feel fulfilled with this trilogy.

 

[DiFabio]

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I think I read somewhere that nolan had buckets of blood ready for the interrogation scene to throw on the glass but he felt it was unnecessary in the end.

Yeah, originally the interrogation scene was going to have blood. I think they decided early on not to do it but I know the script has the Joker missing teeth and getting beaten into a bloody pulp. I also recall him stating that they didn't use blood because they didn't want to undermine the smeared make-up look. I think they knew well before shooting that they weren't going to go that route so I'm not sure about the "buckets of blood".

Personally, I would have liked to have seen that and I think it would have been better. I can see not having pools of blood or squibs of blood when people get shot, but not in an actual fight or beating? I think it would have made more of an impact on an already great scene. I'm not talking tons of blood but something to show the damage Batman is inflicting on the Joker. I think spitting out a couple of teeth would have been great too. The Joker laughing in Batman's face would have been all the more powerful.

I mean, even in the Mask of Phantasm Batman and The Joker are shown beaten and bloody and that's an animated film "for kids". Then Batman and Batman Returns had blood as well.

 

[jye4ever]

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I like it when Joker is shooting the cars with his machine gun while Batpod is coming towards him.

All you see are those silly sparks on the car then they swerve

But that ond isn't so bad, it is dark, one wouldn't really see any bullet damage to the cars, but a broken windshield would've been better at showing the driver was hit or something.

 

[jye4ever]

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I didn't even know it was close to being an R rated movie?

 

[MaulFan]

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Well there should at least be some blood in TDKR since Bruce's face looks pretty messed up in the quick shot from the trailer.

 

[Devil_666]

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I certainly hope they touch up on batman breaking his one rule by killing dent. To me that would really make me feel fulfilled with this trilogy.

He didn't intentionally kill Dent, so he didn't break his one rule.

 

[intothevoid]

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Well there should at least be some blood in TDKR since Bruce's face looks pretty messed up in the quick shot from the trailer.

I hope so

Remember they changed the Brian Douglas death shot in TDK to preserve the rating.

Originally he was supposed to be shown with the joker card pinned to him with a knife. The final cut showed it minus the knife

 

[DiFabio]

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He didn't intentionally kill Dent, so he didn't break his one rule.

Batman's rule is that he doesn't kill, period. Doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, he bucked Dent off the ledge, into the hole, killing him. He even does that little beasty growl before tearing into him.

Can't blame Batman though, the guy was attempting to kill a kid. Though instead of trying to reason with him, he could have remained hidden and knocked him out from behind like he did at the party.

I hope so

Remember they changed the Brian Douglas death shot in TDK to preserve the rating.

Originally he was supposed to be shown with the joker card pinned to him with a knife. The final cut showed it minus the knife

Yep. I think they'll show a battered Bruce Wayne though. Like Maulfan said, you can see a bit in the trailer.

 

[Devil_666]

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Batman's rule is that he doesn't kill, period. Doesn't matter if it was intentional or not

Actually it does. He refuses to outright kill that one HT worker in Batman Begins because that's just straight up murder, which isn't his thing. And he refuses to run over The Joker in TDK with his Bat-Pod for the same exact reason. But with Two-Face, he had already shot Batman and he was playing on shooting Gordon's son next so Batman rushed him to prevent it. Dude fell a couple stories but again, Batman wasn't trying to kill him. So he still has a clear conscious. Which is the whole point of that "one rule" thing. He despises criminals that kill because that's how his parents croaked. So he refuses to do it. But if it happen unintentionally it's not on him.

Hell, he had more "bad intentions" when he throw Maroni off the side of that building than when he rushed Harvey.

 

[jye4ever]

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I hate the high rise fall with Rachel, that takes me out of the movie everytime, how the hell did they not even get a scratch when all both did was free fall.

 

[lambo944]

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I hate the high rise fall with Rachel, that takes me out of the movie everytime, how the hell did they not even get a scratch when all both did was free fall.

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Sorry i just had too

 

[jye4ever]

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I mean c'mon, at least shoot a grapple or something.

Not saying it had to be like Batman & Robin where he used his grapple just to go upstairs to bed, but at least use it if you're going to have him free fall while holding Rachel.

 

[DiFabio]

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Actually it does. He refuses to outright kill that one HT worker in Batman Begins because that's just straight up murder, which isn't his thing. And he refuses to run over The Joker in TDK with his Bat-Pod for the same exact reason. But with Two-Face, he had already shot Batman and he was playing on shooting Gordon's son next so Batman rushed him to prevent it. Dude fell a couple stories but again, Batman wasn't trying to kill him. So he still has a clear conscious. Which is the whole point of that "one rule" thing. He despises criminals that kill because that's how his parents croaked. So he refuses to do it. But if it happen unintentionally it's not on him.

True, true but how did Batman not know that Harvey would die or atleast be critically injured? I mean Dent is standing on wooden ledge with a clear gap from an adjacent building from where they're standing. Surely from Batman's perception, or anyone's perception you'd be able to see your location. Dent even checks out the gap when he mentions "this is where they brought her, this is where she died". Kind of a coincidence that they're not at ground level and Dent is standing right where they could fall, but, hey, it's a film.

It would be like you confronting me on a rooftop of a condemned building then you go to subdue me by charging me and pushing me off.

How did Dent die? He broke his neck. How did he break his neck? He fell. How did he fall? Batman charged him and shoved him off, saving Gordon's son. So maybe his intent wasn't to kill him but we don't know that and he killed him regardless. Batman wasn't going to leave the kid's life to chance, so he acted, rules be damned.

Hell, he had more "bad intentions" when he throw Maroni off the side of that building than when he rushed Harvey.

That would have been funny if at that exact moment a car was driving fast through that alley.

 

[Blood Electricity]

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I guess the thing is...batman strives to have full control of each situation. In frank millers year one, the first time he rushes some goons stealing a tv he nearly scares a guy off a fire escape. He catches him and holds on while hes taking a beating from another guy. In movie terms it'd be ok if the guy just fell to his death because batman didn't intend it?

I get that the movie calls for more cinematic stuff..and it wraps up neatly with dent dying. But to me, the definitive ideology of batman would be more along the lines of that in the comic. Aiming to have total control over the situation. I'd imagine that batman would be able to rescue the kid and dent. Obviously this may not translate as well in a movie. But we are talking about batman indirectly allowing people to die.


that's my little rant about that. Maybe nolan will bring batman more in line with that in this last story.

 

[DiFabio]

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I hate the high rise fall with Rachel, that takes me out of the movie everytime, how the hell did they not even get a scratch when all both did was free fall.

That doesn't bug me as much as Batman not grappling back up to the penthouse and confronting the Joker. I mean, he just left a psycho at HIS home up with all of his guests? I hate how it just cuts to "the next day" with Dent. So Joker just got away huh? Did Batman and Rachel just stay there on the car, cuddling? Joker can't fly either so that means Batman just let him go down several stories of steps, or down an elevator to get away.

 

[jye4ever]

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True, true but how did Batman not know that Harvey would die or atleast be critically injured? I mean Dent is standing on wooden ledge with a clear gap from an adjacent building from where they're standing. Surely from Batman's perception, or anyone's perception you'd be able to see your location. Dent even checks out the gap when he mentions "this is where they brought her, this is where she died". Kind of a coincidence that they're not at ground level and Dent is standing right where they could fall, but, hey, it's a film.

It would be like you confronting me on a rooftop of a condemned building then you go to subdue me by charging me and pushing me off.

How did Dent die? He broke his neck. How did he break his neck? He fell. How did he fall? Batman charged him and shoved him off, saving Gordon's son. So maybe his intent wasn't to kill him but we don't know that and he killed him regardless. Batman wasn't going to leave the kid's life to chance, so he acted, rules be damned.



That would have been funny if at that exact moment a car was driving fast through that alley.

Hmm, he saved Rachel from a fall, why not Dent?

Maybe that's why Nolan added the Rachel fall, to make a point later on when Dent falls.