1/6 Hot Toys - MMS275 -John Blake/ Jim Gordon with Bat-Signal Collectible Set

haytil said:

Again, that's a bet that you would lose.



The difference is, I don't feel that my work entitles me to everyone else's money by default, just because some people are convinced of its value. If I can't sell you on on the idea that my work has value, then I don't deserve your money - and I can't claim to have lost the money that I didn't make off of you.

You are right that success - and wealth - often change's ones line of thinking. But often is not always, and such changes are not always for the better.



Yes, and nothing in your reply argues against that. In fact, the majority of your reply seems to argue for the benefit of IP laws - but that's not necessarily something I ever argued against, so I'm not sure what the reason for your straw man argument is.



It deprives you of potential earnings.

And again, is that worse than if someone broke into your house, took the posters you printed, and sold those?



Excellent examples. So do the existence of bootleg DVDrips reduce the IP value of Marvel movies?

Do the existence of recasts reduce the IP value of Hot Toys figures?

Of course not - because the value is in having the genuine article!

Not only is this logical, it's backed by every reasonable study on the subject. For instance, studies have found that IP infringement and piracy often increase the overall sales for movies - and at worst, their negative effect is negligible.



I disagree - it has been abused by corporate America, against the interests of Americans. How ****** would the world be if Shakespeare wasn't in the public domain? You'd probably almost never hear of the guy or his works! What a shameful loss to the culture that would be.



Again, I disagree - the output of our culture is finite and is being kept away from us. If the law dictated that Shakespeare was now protected by IP laws, you'd probably be upset (maybe I'm wrong about that?). If so, are you equally upset that the law dictates that an old movie like "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" is not in the public domain (over 70 years old!).

Great cultural works - which by now should belong to us as a people - have been kept out of our hands, due to abuse of IP laws by Corporate America. And we are worse off for it.



How can you guarantee that? How can you possibly suggest that every single artist is well paid, well-informed when signing contracts, and never taken advantage of?

How can you possibly believe that? It may have never happened to you, but I can't believe your imagination is so limited as to believe that it couldn't happen to anybody else either.



Ah, so if someone gets hoodwinked, it was their fault anyway? They had it coming and deserved it? How patronizing - and convenient! That's some nice victim-blaming. It must be that your success is due ONLY to your talent and not to any combination of both talent and fortunate circumstances - and that must be true for everyone!



I don't think you've really read my argument. Would be happy to see you quote anything in my previous posts arguing that IP infringement is "justified."

In fact, earlier in your post, you stated "Your fundamental argument is that Intellectual Property infringement doesn't rise to the same level of damage as literal physical theft." How is this the same as "your argument seems to be one of justifying IP theft?"

How can you not see that those are two very different arguments? Do you not see the contradiction in your own words?



Silencing a minority is never the best - or right - move. If you're scared of a subject, there's probably a good reason - and it's likely all the more reason for the need for an open, frank discussion.

You might understand the next time you have an opinion that, at least appears, to be unpopular.

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kia825 said:

Pretty sure that guy got banned or isn't around anymore

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BadMuthaDude said:

I think it's funny that I'm excited for a figure that comes with a stack of file folders.

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Motuxmen said:

Your argument that because something is great and popular it should belong to the people is idiotic(ie Snow White)

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It's called communism.

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You said that a DVD rip does not effect the value of the dvd(or hot toys or whatever). That's just as short sighted. If the rip offs where not there then what would you have to buy to get them? The actual product. So, sure, if you couldn't get the knock off you could just not buy/see/hear the real thing.

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You cite these "study's" to support your argument that piracy doesn't effect the value of original IP products...I've never heard of a single one that came to that conclusion. How about a name of the study or link. Since they "all" say that, shouldn't be hard.

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And why what you are campaigning for is illegal in not only the USA, but hundreds of countries.

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Edit-here's a few links to real studies about piracy. Not made up ones.

https://portal.bsa.org/piracyimpact2010/studies/piracyimpactstudy2010.pdf

https://www.ipi.org/ipi_issues/detail/new-efforts-to-put-a-price-tag-on-film-piracy

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BadMuthaDude said:

I'd actually prefer a detective version of Blake, like pictured.

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BadMuthaDude said:

I think it's funny that I'm excited for a figure that comes with a stack of file folders.

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YankeesFanboy said:

The arrest warrant for "John Doe" is a nice little touch.

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haytil said:

I think it's a reproduction of one of the viral marketing materials, you can probably find it easily online. It was pretty slick.

Sadly, TDKR's viral marketing paled in comparison to TDK's...

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DiFabio said:

Never saw that one before. Only the other with the image of Bats.

I love it.

Batman supposedly kidnapped Gordon's family, made a mockery of the SWAT/GCPD, and killed all those people including Wuertz, a cop, and a beloved public official, Harvey Dent. They know his height, race, weight, eye color, not to mention Coleman Reese who, a day or two before the crimes told Gotham he knew this guy's identity annnnnd . . . the city does nothing about it for 8 years (or ever actually). No investigations, no man hunts, nothing. The cops don't want blood for Wuertz (Chicago and NYC police departments go ape**** when they lose one of their own), the city doesn't seem to care.

"We'll hunt him."

No you won't.

"Because he can take it."

No he can't.

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DarkMagic said:

Didn't Bruce retire being Batman in the years between TDK and TDKR? It's pretty hard to chase down Batman sightings when there are no Batman sightings. From Gordon's speech at the end of TDK (his "official" position as the commissioner, not his personal opinion since he knows the truth about Batman), to the mayor's remarks in TDKR about a "murdering thug in a mask" and the eagerness of Foley commanding every cop in the city to chase him over robbers the very first time he shows up again, there is nothing to suggest that the "city doesn't seem to care" at all. Where did you get that there hasn't been an investigation in the 8 years from? The trail just went cold. Batman stopped showing up. Basically what you see in that arrest warrant is ALL the known/best estimate info that the GCPD had on Batman. That's it? Not much to go on. Where are they going to get more info/evidence from if he doesn't show up?

The City of Gotham "officially" (and many cops --- though not all) definitely thought Batman was guilty and wanted to capture him. Besides Gordon and Blake, the older cop in that chase scene definitely seems to have more respect for Batman/give him the benefit of the doubt than his rookie partner who shoots at him (badly, an hits the EMP instead). I imagine there are plenty of others on the police force who had experience with Batman before TDKR and doubt the official story that he's a murderer of other cops and Dent. They chase him when he shows up because it's their orders to do so, not necessarily because their heart is in it.

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DiFabio said:

Coleman Reese who, a day or two before the crimes told Gotham he knew this guy's identity annnnnd . . . the city does nothing about it

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DiFabio said:

Yup!

Then Rameriez. Dent didn't even kill her, "live to fight another day officer". There's so many loose ends. Reese, SWAT team that overheard Gordon's conversation with Dent during the hostage crisis (remember, they all thought DENT was in that building). So many loose ends. Batman was RIGHT there saving the clown hostages and apprehending the Joker with numerous eye witnesses, yet somehow the cover up works. TDKR just passes over investigations and suspicions, i.e. the dramatic, thriller aspects that COULD have been mind blowing. Instead we get the 8 years bologna which is pretty much a "don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain" cop out to distract the viewers from questioning what happened in the last picture. I can see Joker, but not those other key players. When exactly did Batman find the time to kill Maroni and his driver? Who exactly are 5 people dead, two of them cops?

Bottom line, they wrote themselves into a corner and weren't smart or creative enough to come up with something for the sequel. What they came up with instead (Dent Acts, Dent Day, Blackgate that holds male and female prisoners, "peace time" and LoS 2.0) is just stupid. TDKR isn't as tight and well written as people think. There are better CBM that are much tighter.

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