The Force Awakens - Figure discussion (with SPOILERS!)

[SithThundercracker]

I love this. I wish I could do a BB-8 lighter on your comment.

 

[Auel]

Some of the points are pretty spot on.

12 Reasons Star Wars: The Force Awakens Is A Disappointment

 

[jkidd41011]

Those of you acting shocked that Rey could use a light sabre, look what she did to the two guys that tried to jump her at the beginning of the movie. She had self defense down.

And contrasting Ben to Anakin, Anakin used his anger to channel to Dark side to make him stronger. Its obvious elements of the force being used for good frustrates the hell out of Ben-Ren

One question I had was who was the guy at the beginning of the movie that gave Poe the info on Luke?

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[One-Figure-Collector]

...After seeing the movie and knowing Disney is going to crank out Star Wars like Twinkies for the next several years I can safely say none of these characters will achieve iconic status to me. I had thought about getting a HT Kylo until I saw what a inept sad villain he was. I think I will stick with OT for Hot Toys and maybe pick up the Black Series for TFA just to have some representation in my collection.

I just saw the movie and wow, I didn't think anything could be worse than the prequels but my main man jar jar abrams delivered! Worst movie I've seen in a long time, easily the worst for 2015.

Some of the points are pretty spot on.

12 Reasons Star Wars: The Force Awakens Is A Disappointment

Those of you acting shocked that Rey could use a light sabre, look what she did to the two guys that tried to jump her at the beginning of the movie. She had self defense down.

All comments are absolutely right! But I was not shocked, I was angry and disappointed ... They are negligently destroying a myth I have grown up with ...

 

[HammitChris]

Apparently Yoda and Obi-Wan's voices were in Rey's vision SPOILERS: Another HUGE Cameo In STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS Revealed

As for some of the comments about the movie having problems, yes there were a few minor issues IMO, like for instance I was not impressed with Carrie Fisher's acting and dialogue (you could tell it had been a while for her) and I thought the whole Starkiller base and trench run were expected. However, its freaking STAR WARS...there is always going to be some crazy weapon of mass destruction of some type. Did these things ruin the movie or my childhood? Absolutely not! The fact that I left the theater excited to see Ep. 8 and watch Ep. 7 again was enough for me to say that I thoroughly enjoyed the film. I went back and watched it again yesterday and left liking it even more. To be fair, there was no way Ep. 7 would 100% live up to all of the hype and meet ALL of the fans' expectations. We have been waiting on this movie for 30 years. I think that JJ did a very good job considering the task at hand...covering 30 years worth of material in 2 1/2 hours. I would rank this movie in the top 3 of Star Wars films with 1.) Empire Strikes Back 2.) A New Hope 3.) TFA tied with ROTJ

 

[One-Figure-Collector]

Apparently Yoda and Obi-Wan's voices were in Rey's vision SPOILERS: Another HUGE Cameo In STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS Revealed

As for some of the comments about the movie having problems, yes there were a few minor issues IMO, like for instance I was not impressed with Carrie Fisher's acting and dialogue (you could tell it had been a while for her) and I thought the whole Starkiller base and trench run were expected. However, its freaking STAR WARS...there is always going to be some crazy weapon of mass destruction of some type. Did these things ruin the movie or my childhood? Absolutely not! The fact that I left the theater excited to see Ep. 8 and watch Ep. 7 again was enough for me to say that I thoroughly enjoyed the film. I went back and watched it again yesterday and left liking it even more. To be fair, there was no way Ep. 7 would 100% live up to all of the hype and meet ALL of the fans' expectations. We have been waiting on this movie for 30 years. I think that JJ did a very good job considering the task at hand...covering 30 years worth of material in 2 1/2 hours. I would rank this movie in the top 3 of Star Wars films with 1.) Empire Strikes Back 2.) A New Hope 3.) TFA tied with ROTJ

I am glad that you liked it wishing I could do this as well ...

 

[lordregnis]

Apparently Yoda and Obi-Wan's voices were in Rey's vision SPOILERS: Another HUGE Cameo In STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS Revealed

As for some of the comments about the movie having problems, yes there were a few minor issues IMO, like for instance I was not impressed with Carrie Fisher's acting and dialogue (you could tell it had been a while for her) and I thought the whole Starkiller base and trench run were expected. However, its freaking STAR WARS...there is always going to be some crazy weapon of mass destruction of some type. Did these things ruin the movie or my childhood? Absolutely not! The fact that I left the theater excited to see Ep. 8 and watch Ep. 7 again was enough for me to say that I thoroughly enjoyed the film. I went back and watched it again yesterday and left liking it even more. To be fair, there was no way Ep. 7 would 100% live up to all of the hype and meet ALL of the fans' expectations. We have been waiting on this movie for 30 years. I think that JJ did a very good job considering the task at hand...covering 30 years worth of material in 2 1/2 hours. I would rank this movie in the top 3 of Star Wars films with 1.) Empire Strikes Back 2.) A New Hope 3.) TFA tied with ROTJ

I think this is copy and paste exactly what I read every time something crazy hyped comes out and is really bad. It's like the hype/nostalgia is so strong that there's no way it can just be a badly made, badly written, badly paced action movie with not much action of any worth.Nothing in this movie made me say wow that was awesome. No memorable dialogue.

I honestly don't think they tried in any department, especially the script. If it took more than a weekend for them to come up with that I'd be shocked.

 

[HammitChris]

I think this is copy and paste exactly what I read every time something crazy hyped comes out and is really bad. It's like the hype/nostalgia is so strong that there's no way it can just be a badly made, badly written, badly paced action movie with not much action of any worth.Nothing in this movie made me say wow that was awesome. No memorable dialogue.

I honestly don't think they tried in any department, especially the script. If it took more than a weekend for them to come up with that I'd be shocked.

Well, its simple...if you don't like or didn't like it, don't watch it. No one is forcing you to (no pun intended). I think it is ok for people to respectfully agree to disagree. Some people love the prequels...some people hate them, all are Star Wars fans. Its going to be the same with the sequels. People were expressing their opinions on the film here and I have done the same.

 

[Auel]

Well, its simple...if you don't like or didn't like it, don't watch it. No one is forcing you to (no pun intended). I think it is ok for people to respectfully agree to disagree. Some people love the prequels...some people hate them, all are Star Wars fans. Its going to be the same with the sequels. People were expressing their opinions on the film here and I have done the same.

You still don't get what we're trying to voice out.

 

[Arkayjiya]

Some of the points are pretty spot on.

12 Reasons Star Wars: The Force Awakens Is A Disappointment

12: agree, the movie is too short and doesn't take enough time to rest and let the emotions breeze.
11: agree, the plot is one of the problem of the movie in general.
10: No problem with "Third-wheel Poe" for me. I understand their point as they take the promotional material into account. I just don't care about the promotional material myself. I do think his survival was glossed over a little too easily but that's part of point 11.
9: Agree with the under-use of captain Phasma. Might be part of point 12 and/or 11. Although without the hype, it isn't remotely as problematic.
8: Agree but I'll come back to that one.
7: It's a sub-point to point 8 and 11.
6: agree with Snoke CGI.
5: Disagree with that one. It makes sense as the ex-rebellion trust each others. And some "old friend" like Von Sydow are not old characters.
4: Linked to other points.
3: the score is less memorable, doesn't mean it not as good, I'll need a lot more viewing to get an opinion on that
2: The "wasted actors" could be played by talentless guys. They're played by A-list people. I don't see the problem with that apart from the promotion itself.
1: Disagree, it should have been even more frustrating: It should have ended in hyperspace before we even met Luke. We got a little more out of it because fan service so I'm still relatively happy. The shot is polarising though, personally as far as cinematography goes, I did not like it.

Overall, it seems that this list only exist as a cop out, a way to replace analysis by nitpicking and stretch out a single problem into 12. Most of this can be boiled down to a specific problem: The creators were so afraid to go near the prequels, they ran away from it and too far in the direction of the OT and new problems stemmed from that: Not enough breezing room for the emotions, no explication for the context of this war or convenient and rehashed plotting, every single problem this movie has that is in this list comes from that or marketing problems.
Sure there's also a few CGI mistakes but none of that is even remotely important to the film as a whole. The "slave to the past" problem is a bigger one. I understand it took from some people's enjoyement. It didn't mine because the focus was the characters and this was an overwhelming success for me (and fortunately for them, most people).

 

[HammitChris]

You still don't get what we're trying to voice out.

I don't think you get what you're trying to voice out.


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[hokietwo]

The source is the movie. Its very clear that's what happens once you figure out what Ben is asking Han for help with. He's not asking him for help coming back to the light. He's asking him to help him kill him. That's why Ben isn't shocked by it. He was asking for Han to do it for him. Its a very Snape and Dumbledore type of situation. What's on the surface isn't really what's going down. It wasn't obvious during my first viewing, but it was very clear my second time around once I knew what was going to happen. As it turns out, Han stabs first too!

We must have seen different movies. Ben clearly killed Han with intent and the struggle was pause for dramatic effect. The "torn apart" dialog was sucker bait lines to entice that there may still be good in him but all along the intent was to kill Han so that he can push on to the dark side. That was part of the foreshadowing when Ben was talking to Darth's crispy helmet.

Speaking of that helmet, the miss or non addressing of how the **** he got ahold of that helmet is the biggest tragedy plot point hole of the movie for me.

There is only one person in the entire galaxy that knows where Vader's remains are and he went into hiding. This had better get fleshed out in 8 and 9 because it is an insult to my brain on Kylo Ren just running around with those remains with no explanation.

 

[GhostBeard]

We must have seen different movies. Ben clearly killed Han with intent and the struggle was pause for dramatic effect. The "torn apart" dialog was sucker bait lines to entice that there may still be good in him but all along the intent was to kill Han so that he can push on to the dark side. That was part of the foreshadowing when Ben was talking to Darth's crispy helmet.

Speaking of that helmet, the miss or non addressing of how the **** he got ahold of that helmet is the biggest tragedy plot point hole of the movie for me.

There is only one person in the entire galaxy that knows where Vader's remains are and he went into hiding. This had better get fleshed out in 8 and 9 because it is an insult to my brain on Kylo Ren just running around with those remains with no explanation.

Any answer to that question is supposition and might seem okay when looking back years from now once we (hopefully) know the answers but right now feels like we've been cheated.

Luke could have taken it from the bar-b-qued remains and Ben swiped it during training, but again, that's speculation.


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[Aliaz]

I think it's pretty clear that Kylo was the one that ignited the lightsaber and killed Han. I tried watching it with the Han kills himself to save his son from doing it theory in mind but it doesn't for IMO.

 

[Darth Zullo]

Apparently it was Ewan McGregor.

They did use Alec Guiness's voice as well, they edited the word "afraid" to make it sound like he was saying Rey, Ewan McGregor was also used like you said.

 

[mattinglymint23]

What are you talking about? Han sacrificed himself to prevent fully losing his son to the dark side. Ben told him he had to do it and to have done it himself would have pushed him over the edge completely to the dark. Han ignited the lightsaber to save Ben from having to do it. Its not unlike the Emperor pushing Luke to kill his father. I guess that's kind of the ultimate test for the dark side. Had Han not died, who knows what punishment Snoke would have handed down on Ben. Sacrificing himself bought Ben more time. Han went out a hero, doing whatever he could to save his son - which is what Ford wanted for the character in the end.

This is an amazing post and actually makes me feel a little better about it. Nice job.


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[mattinglymint23]

Honestly R2 is the only one that knows everything.

Isn't that the truth [emoji3]



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[GhostBeard]

We must have seen different movies. Ben clearly killed Han with intent and the struggle was pause for dramatic effect. The "torn apart" dialog was sucker bait lines to entice that there may still be good in him but all along the intent was to kill Han so that he can push on to the dark side. That was part of the foreshadowing when Ben was talking to Darth's crispy helmet.

Speaking of that helmet, the miss or non addressing of how the **** he got ahold of that helmet is the biggest tragedy plot point hole of the movie for me.

There is only one person in the entire galaxy that knows where Vader's remains are and he went into hiding. This had better get fleshed out in 8 and 9 because it is an insult to my brain on Kylo Ren just running around with those remains with no explanation.

I also agree with you about Ben killing Han. Never occurred to me, until I read posts here, that someone might think Han killed himself. Ben killed Han to establish how eeevilll he is.


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[Khev]

I kind of want that interrogation chair. It was featured in more than one memorable scene.

 

[morphosis]

Apparently it was Ewan McGregor.

Yup, it was Ewan, and I just read confirmed by JJ Abrams.... Obi Wan says: "Rey, these are your first steps..."