This. What those idiots don?t understand is that the villains work because of Spider-Man. These aren?t some characters that had a successful comic run and cartoon franchise by themselves. They are closely tied to Spider-Man and his mythos. Venom can get away with it sure but that?s basically it.
None of these characters work 100 percent without Spider-Man tied to the lore. I?m baffled Sony let Avi arad keep touching these properties after he ****ed up sm3 and ruined the amazing Spider-Man franchise. Atleast WB got rid of zach Snyder. Sony for whatever reason keeps that hack around and is the reason they failed so bad they put Spider-Man into the mcu .
I dissagree. I think that tons of characters have at least one movie in them, but they're stuck playing the same exact roles for decades for no reason other than the fact that in comics the Status Quo is God. You don't need to make a superhero movie with all of them, all you need to do is construct an interesting narrative with a catchy aesthetic. In every rogues gallery there's at least a bunch of characters who could carry their own series or movies. They'll never be a franchise themselves, but they have enough material to work with to provide something. When it comes down to it, every Spider-Man movie will be ultimately the same. He has even less flexibility than Batman, Iron Man or Superman. He's a Cape, period. Whereas you could play Batman as a Noir or as a Gothic Horror, or Iron Man and Superman as purely Sci-Fi properties with no regards for typical superheroics, Spider-Man can only work as a Cape and nothing more. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with that, but you get my point. Out of the 10 Spider-Man films you could make, they'd all more or less follow the same beats and stories.
Taking it back to Kraven, you can do a thoroughly entertaining movie that is not a capeflick but rather a fun adventure story. Kraven's a rich aristocrat, he finds some legendary beast hidden in some far off place, so he gears up and goes to hunt it. It's a simple premise and can translate to either a one-off or multiple episodes or issues in a hypothetical show or comic series. Venom got turned into a succesfull IP of his own and he had even less of an established lore. Kraven is basically Human Predator. Someone could very easily take this concept and create a whole new IP. Pulps and James Bond were built on "cool guy has serialized adventures" concepts like this. One day he's fighting a long-thought extinct animal, then he's hunting minor gods from pantheons who've been stuck here, and so on. You can take it into any direction you want, seeing as it's a comic.
Now, if you told me that they were making a solo film about the Vermin, I'd agree. But this mentality that you can always write cape stories about characters who've originated in capes, no matter the genre or their themes, was always strange to me. I can easily imagine stories about Vandal Savage or Ra's Al Ghul. I'd argue that Doom himself has more meat than the FF themselves.
At the end of the day, I'm actually quite looking forward to this, depending on where they take it. If it's as simple as Kraven going to the Savage Land to fight dinosaurs like Turok I'll be there. And AT-J is damn good. Watch Outlaw King to see him as a crazed beast.
His scenes in Tenet were more memorable than half the rest of the film.
I can definitely see this turning out enjoyable. Venom and Morbius look like cheap 00s capeflicks and they're fine for what they are, but this could be fun if they take the concept to the max.