1/6 Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker-CRAIT (Force Projection) -

[Khev]

You asked.

I'd rather have an action figure of Rian Johnson pouring wine next to the glass than that guy, lol.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Film has so many other problems. This might be 50 on the list.

Definitely.

 

[heon123]

No, it was all part of Rian's master vision...

Never thought I'd see Rich on here.

 

[Smash]

A few interesting script notes from the Crait scene in TLJ script (If you live in LA, I believe you can go read it).

"When Kylo and Luke face each other one on one: "Kylo locks eyes with Luke, terrified and furious." It is established a couple of times apparently that he is TERRIFIED of him. As mentioned in the novelization also.

When Luke and Kylo are preparing for their fight: "This is not like a saber fight. This is an old-fashioned samurai duel."

The rebellion is reborn montage - "LUKE: 'The rebellion is reborn today.' She see Finn holding Rose in his arms, not giving up. LUKE: 'The war is just beginning.' Cut back to Rey. She sees Luke's face. They connect, seeing each other." Luke and Rey connect! So when he's facing off Kylo, he is seeing/sensing Rey at the same time!"

Most interesting things here to me: Kylo is scared to **** of Luke, and Luke was connected with Rey during the ending. Watching the scene again, similar inter-cutting is used with Luke's "I will not be the last jedi" and Rey opening her eyes to Kylo/Rey's force connection scenes. So, while I think it could have come across better in the movie, my new head canon is Luke helped her lift the boulders. Explains that wtf face she has too when she opens them.

Here's a podcast of discussion on the script notes if anyone wants to listen: https://soundcloud.com/whotalksfirst/a-very-nondesscript-episode-title-who-talks-first

 

[Khev]

A few interesting script notes from the Crait scene in TLJ script (If you live in LA, I believe you can go read it).

"When Kylo and Luke face each other one on one: "Kylo locks eyes with Luke, terrified and furious." It is established a couple of times apparently that he is TERRIFIED of him. As mentioned in the novelization also.

When Luke and Kylo are preparing for their fight: "This is not like a saber fight. This is an old-fashioned samurai duel."

The rebellion is reborn montage - "LUKE: 'The rebellion is reborn today.' She see Finn holding Rose in his arms, not giving up. LUKE: 'The war is just beginning.' Cut back to Rey. She sees Luke's face. They connect, seeing each other." Luke and Rey connect! So when he's facing off Kylo, he is seeing/sensing Rey at the same time!"

Most interesting things here to me: Kylo is scared to **** of Luke, and Luke was connected with Rey during the ending. Watching the scene again, similar inter-cutting is used with Luke's "I will not be the last jedi" and Rey opening her eyes to Kylo/Rey's force connection scenes. So, while I think it could have come across better in the movie, my new head canon is Luke helped her lift the boulders. Explains that wtf face she has too when she opens them.

Here's a podcast of discussion on the script notes if anyone wants to listen: https://soundcloud.com/whotalksfirst/a-very-nondesscript-episode-title-who-talks-first

Damn, now I really wish that the film established that Luke lifted the boulders. Imagine Rey concentrating but looking worried, suddenly the rocks all rise into the air, the rebels clear the cave, then moments later Luke dies and all the rocks come crashing to the ground.

 

[loki2371]

Damn, now I really wish that the film established that Luke lifted the boulders. Imagine Rey concentrating but looking worried, suddenly the rocks all rise into the air, the rebels clear the cave, then moments later Luke dies and all the rocks come crashing to the ground.

Kathleen Kennedy put a quick end to that ****.... "Rey is a WOMAN, and needs the help of NO man!!!", she cried out, then exclaimed "The Force Is Female!!!"...

 

[vito81]

Tokyo Comic Con

 

[SilverStar17]

A few interesting script notes from the Crait scene in TLJ script (If you live in LA, I believe you can go read it).

"When Kylo and Luke face each other one on one: "Kylo locks eyes with Luke, terrified and furious." It is established a couple of times apparently that he is TERRIFIED of him. As mentioned in the novelization also.

When Luke and Kylo are preparing for their fight: "This is not like a saber fight. This is an old-fashioned samurai duel."

The rebellion is reborn montage - "LUKE: 'The rebellion is reborn today.' She see Finn holding Rose in his arms, not giving up. LUKE: 'The war is just beginning.' Cut back to Rey. She sees Luke's face. They connect, seeing each other." Luke and Rey connect! So when he's facing off Kylo, he is seeing/sensing Rey at the same time!"

Most interesting things here to me: Kylo is scared to **** of Luke, and Luke was connected with Rey during the ending. Watching the scene again, similar inter-cutting is used with Luke's "I will not be the last jedi" and Rey opening her eyes to Kylo/Rey's force connection scenes. So, while I think it could have come across better in the movie, my new head canon is Luke helped her lift the boulders. Explains that wtf face she has too when she opens them.

Here's a podcast of discussion on the script notes if anyone wants to listen: https://soundcloud.com/whotalksfirst/a-very-nondesscript-episode-title-who-talks-first

Luke helping Rey lift the boulders is a pretty cool theory that I like. Like Khev said, if that really were the case, I wish they would have established that a bit more, while not necessarily being too overt. Regardless, it’s still a cool theory to ponder.

 

[whitd]

It would be a funny spoof on Rey if every time she used the force there was actually a Jedi nearby doing it, and Rey actually has zero force ability.


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[Wor-Gar]

Tokyo Comic Con

Luke in a hoodie just looks wrong.

 

[Tortfeazor]

Whoever put that figure on display obviously didn’t give a **** that day.

 

[Smash]

Damn, now I really wish that the film established that Luke lifted the boulders. Imagine Rey concentrating but looking worried, suddenly the rocks all rise into the air, the rebels clear the cave, then moments later Luke dies and all the rocks come crashing to the ground.

After listening to the podcast, I believe that's what was intended. Maybe not the part of the rocks crashing as Luke dies, but yeah. That would have helped the point come across better. I think moments like the inter-cutting between Rey/Kylo scenes are really well directed, but things like this, Luke refusing the saber, and Ben/Luke in the hut are all written much better in the script than they come across on screen. Not that it would change anyone's mind for those who didn't like those things, but Rian's writing was definitely better than his direction during those parts.

This scene and the hut are big ones for me in terms of implications, especially if IX is written from the script of VIII like the prior two were. In the script, it's explicitly pointed out that Kylo knows what Luke saw when he looked into his future. And also, with Rey and Luke being connected during those last few sequences, I'd imagine that not only does Luke see and help Rey out with the rocks, but Rey probably at least saw/heard Luke's confrontation with Kylo.

 

[Smash]

Tokyo Comic Con

IMO The figure would actually look better with the TLJ headsculpt if they just changed the hair lol. This one looks a pudgy middle school band teacher.

 

[SilverStar17]

It would be a funny spoof on Rey if every time she used the force there was actually a Jedi nearby doing it, and Rey actually has zero force ability.


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Or Leia tapping into the Force at the same time and moving them. The it’d be a case of who really done it? Leia, or Rey?

 

[Wor-Gar]

I like Hobo Luke better than this Hoodie Luke. Just has more character... and a backpack.

The "band teacher" is an excellent analogy. I was going to say karate teacher.

 

[SilverStar17]

I like Hobo Luke better than this Hoodie Luke. Just has more character... and a backpack.

 

[ajp4mgs]

After listening to the podcast, I believe that's what was intended. Maybe not the part of the rocks crashing as Luke dies, but yeah. That would have helped the point come across better. I think moments like the inter-cutting between Rey/Kylo scenes are really well directed, but things like this, Luke refusing the saber, and Ben/Luke in the hut are all written much better in the script than they come across on screen. Not that it would change anyone's mind for those who didn't like those things, but Rian's writing was definitely better than his direction during those parts.

This scene and the hut are big ones for me in terms of implications, especially if IX is written from the script of VIII like the prior two were. In the script, it's explicitly pointed out that Kylo knows what Luke saw when he looked into his future. And also, with Rey and Luke being connected during those last few sequences, I'd imagine that not only does Luke see and help Rey out with the rocks, but Rey probably at least saw/heard Luke's confrontation with Kylo.

I listened to the podcast (though painful to get through) and didn't hear anything remotely suggesting that Luke helped Rey lift the rocks. The narrators didn't allude to it, nor said that anything in the script even suggested it. Where is this coming from?

Even the TLJ novelization, which is based on the scripts, gives no indication whatsoever of Luke having anything to do with the rocks being lifted. Actually, quite the opposite. And that's a very good thing, imo. Otherwise, there'd be a whole load of plot/logic problems with Luke being able to use the Force while in projection mode.

A Jedi Master who can project himself onto/into any location and still be able to use his Force powers would be a one-man army. For example: project himself into an AT-AT cockpit, mind-trick the pilot/gunner, and wipe out the whole column. Or simply turn/redirect one of the AT-AT heads when they were all firing at him. Or just remove the rocks earlier so the Resistance literally sees the light at the end of the tunnel. Or countless other problems. I think things make way more sense as portrayed in the movie (and as described in the novel - which, again, is based on the script).

On a side note, though, I'm glad the podcast narrators confirmed that the script makes it very clear that Leia knew Luke wasn't really there on Crait when he put his hand "on" hers. That solves a lot of other potential plot/logic problems.

 

[Khev]

It would be a funny spoof on Rey if every time she used the force there was actually a Jedi nearby doing it, and Rey actually has zero force ability.

That's freaking hilarious, lol.

 

[davejames]

The only thing I'm still not clear on is why Luke chose to project a younger version of himself, since it seems like that would risk Kylo seeing through his ruse too early. Not to mention the audience watching the movie.

I'm sure Kylo would have been just as pissed to see an older and grayer Luke as the younger one. And it would have probably made the final reveal even more surprising and unexpected than it was.

 

[ajp4mgs]

The only thing I'm still not clear on is why Luke chose to project a younger version of himself, since it seems like that would risk Kylo seeing through his ruse too early. Not to mention the audience watching the movie.

I'm sure Kylo would have been just as pissed to see an older and grayer Luke as the younger one. And it would have probably made the final reveal even more surprising and unexpected than it was.

The "Just For Men" version is certainly perplexing. The best rationale that I can come up with is that Luke wanted to maximize Kylo's fear by giving him no reason to perceive any loss of vitality or spirit at all. Perhaps Luke himself felt that his long guilt-induced exile, and being cut off from the Force, had taken such a heavy toll on him that it would show too clearly. Luke may have wanted Kylo to see him unphased and unchanged in order to further mess with his head.

Plus, Luke got to cast the version of himself that he wanted to be again. Not the Luke who had blamed himself too harshly and been exiled too long. He got to be the Luke he was before Snoke and Kylo had taken everything from him. Perhaps the symbolism of his appearance was more for Luke's mindset than for Kylo's.