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Not seen the film yet (going Thursday) but I've ordered him. :yess: Need an Old Luke for my collection and I like this version/look better than TFA one.:)

Same here. I already have TFA Luke, but with this being Luke's last appearance (alive) in SW, then I want to have it in my collection. I'll keep TFA Luke displayed with the hood of his poncho on and display this one fully showing the sculpt.
 
I'm really excited to get this guy. I think it's a cool Luke, thought the movie was great, and I didn't get the TFA one.
 
I have really enjoyed reading your response to my question and I'm really pleased that you can process what happened to Luke's character in TLJ in a way that doesn't leave you feeling frustrated and angry.

For me right from the first scene that Rey and Luke we're in things started to contradict everything "I" thought Luke stood for. From throwing the light sabre behind him and walking off, to sounding defeated on all aspects of hope. Luke used to never give up in believing that there is good in all of us and that good would ultimately bring peace and balance to the galaxy. Surely if you believe and we're indeed vindicated by those beliefs ( Vader ) then why would he suddenly think just because a pupil in his training class was turning dark, that he wouldn't be able to turn him away from the dark side and back into the light and good side of the force. This along with the constant puppet interruptions, puppet fish, puppet nuns! Puppet alien cows!! CRING!! Just was not the Luke that I grew up with. And then he turned into some sort of Neo character for the end fight scene?!

Like I've said I'm glad you can process the film in the way you have. I'm afraid that I can't. But that maybe my problem with all of this. Maybe I'm taking Star Wars too seriously for my own good.

I think maybe you might have forgotten that Luke, when younger, gave up several times during his journey in the Original Trilogy. He failed constantly. And that's how he learned. And there were key scenes in TLJ that go into that. I think TLJ took him back to that. After his temple was destroyed, he failed and retreated. I thought they portrayed him perfectly. I won't say much else because of spoilers for those who haven't seen it.
 
I have really enjoyed reading your response to my question and I'm really pleased that you can process what happened to Luke's character in TLJ in a way that doesn't leave you feeling frustrated and angry.

For me right from the first scene that Rey and Luke we're in things started to contradict everything "I" thought Luke stood for. From throwing the light sabre behind him and walking off, to sounding defeated on all aspects of hope. Luke used to never give up in believing that there is good in all of us and that good would ultimately bring peace and balance to the galaxy. Surely if you believe and we're indeed vindicated by those beliefs ( Vader ) then why would he suddenly think just because a pupil in his training class was turning dark, that he wouldn't be able to turn him away from the dark side and back into the light and good side of the force. This along with the constant puppet interruptions, puppet fish, puppet nuns! Puppet alien cows!! CRING!! Just was not the Luke that I grew up with. And then he turned into some sort of Neo character for the end fight scene?!

Like I've said I'm glad you can process the film in the way you have. I'm afraid that I can't. But that maybe my problem with all of this. Maybe I'm taking Star Wars too seriously for my own good.

Thank you for providing the explanation of your disappointment with the Luke characterization. In particular, your comment about not giving up on Vader (and being vindicated for it) while giving up on Ben helps me better understand your point of view. I see it more as a moment of extreme weakness that he ultimately wouldn't be able to follow through on, but I can definitely see your objection to that weakness in the first place.

By the way, I totally agree with you about tossing the saber. Unforgivable for a multitude of reasons. Bad writing just for the sake of an audience reaction. I'm also with you on the superficial distractions. We just have a different point of view in terms of the overall Luke story and characterization. Thank you again for helping me better understand your perspective. I appreciate it.
 
I have really enjoyed reading your response to my question and I'm really pleased that you can process what happened to Luke's character in TLJ in a way that doesn't leave you feeling frustrated and angry.

For me right from the first scene that Rey and Luke we're in things started to contradict everything "I" thought Luke stood for. From throwing the light sabre behind him and walking off, to sounding defeated on all aspects of hope. Luke used to never give up in believing that there is good in all of us and that good would ultimately bring peace and balance to the galaxy. Surely if you believe and we're indeed vindicated by those beliefs ( Vader ) then why would he suddenly think just because a pupil in his training class was turning dark, that he wouldn't be able to turn him away from the dark side and back into the light and good side of the force. This along with the constant puppet interruptions, puppet fish, puppet nuns! Puppet alien cows!! CRING!! Just was not the Luke that I grew up with. And then he turned into some sort of Neo character for the end fight scene?!

Like I've said I'm glad you can process the film in the way you have. I'm afraid that I can't. But that maybe my problem with all of this. Maybe I'm taking Star Wars too seriously for my own good.

Good points made. One of the better analyses I've read on why people didn't like Luke in this film, other than simply saying he was "mishandled" or "not the Luke I grew up with/not my Luke."

I think maybe you might have forgotten that Luke, when younger, gave up several times during his journey in the Original Trilogy. He failed constantly. And that's how he learned. And there were key scenes in TLJ that go into that. I think TLJ took him back to that. After his temple was destroyed, he failed and retreated. I thought they portrayed him perfectly. I won't say much else because of spoilers for those who haven't seen it.

Good point as well.

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Same here. I already have TFA Luke, but with this being Luke's last appearance (alive) in SW, then I want to have it in my collection. I'll keep TFA Luke displayed with the hood of his poncho on and display this one fully showing the sculpt.

Geez man I avoided all Sequel Trilogy Star Wars threads and websites for a week or so before i saw the film. Couldn't go in with spoilers.
 
Thank you for providing the explanation of your disappointment with the Luke characterization. In particular, your comment about not giving up on Vader (and being vindicated for it) while giving up on Ben helps me better understand your point of view. I see it more as a moment of extreme weakness that he ultimately wouldn't be able to follow through on, but I can definitely see your objection to that weakness in the first place.

By the way, I totally agree with you about tossing the saber. Unforgivable for a multitude of reasons. Bad writing just for the sake of an audience reaction. I'm also with you on the superficial distractions. We just have a different point of view in terms of the overall Luke story and characterization. Thank you again for helping me better understand your perspective. I appreciate it.

I really disagree because thats the place where Luke was at with everything. He wanted nothing to do with it anymore. He felt he truly failed. He's a bit of a brat in that way. Same as Anakin. If things didn't go his way, he just couldn't handle it, thats why he went to the dark side. It's the Skywalker blood. It's in Kylo. You see that there is a lot of similarities between Anakin, Luke and Kylo. Leia wasn't like that. She was the most hopeful, courageous, and strongest of all the Skywalkers. She never ever gave up on anything. She had more Padme in her than Anakin.
 
Geez man I avoided all Sequel Trilogy Star Wars threads and websites for a week or so before i saw the film. Couldn't go in with spoilers.

Spoilers never bother me, I want to know what happens. It's just a film. I'm still in suspense when I see it because obviously the film shows the intricacies and details of how it happens.

I really disagree because thats the place where Luke was at with everything. He wanted nothing to do with it anymore. He felt he truly failed. He's a bit of a brat in that way. Same as Anakin. If things didn't go his way, he just couldn't handle it, thats why he went to the dark side. It's the Skywalker blood. It's in Kylo. You see that there is a lot of similarities between Anakin, Luke and Kylo. Leia wasn't like that. She was the most hopeful, courageous, and strongest of all the Skywalkers. She never ever gave up on anything. She had more Padme in her than Anakin.

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I think maybe you might have forgotten that Luke, when younger, gave up several times during his journey in the Original Trilogy. He failed constantly. And that's how he learned. And there were key scenes in TLJ that go into that. I think TLJ took him back to that. After his temple was destroyed, he failed and retreated. I thought they portrayed him perfectly. I won't say much else because of spoilers for those who haven't seen it.

Good points. You are right, he did want to give up on several occasions. But ultimately because of his faith in others and hope, he not only found that the good he felt in his father was true but also saved the galaxy in doing so. That's a pretty big achievement to then do a complete morality U turn on.
 
I really disagree because thats the place where Luke was at with everything. He wanted nothing to do with it anymore. He felt he truly failed. He's a bit of a brat in that way. Same as Anakin. If things didn't go his way, he just couldn't handle it, thats why he went to the dark side. It's the Skywalker blood. It's in Kylo. You see that there is a lot of similarities between Anakin, Luke and Kylo. Leia wasn't like that. She was the most hopeful, courageous, and strongest of all the Skywalkers. She never ever gave up on anything. She had more Padme in her than Anakin.

I'm only referring to the tossing of the sabre. If it had been done after at least asking where she got it, or looking at it in amazement because he hadn't seen it since Bespin (I'm assuming), I wouldn't think the quick toss was done just for shock value. Without at least a little more pondering when seeing the sabre again, I just can't stretch my belief that the scene was written for story more than for shocked audience reaction. It just bugs me too much on its own, but not enough to ruin the rest of the Luke story.
 
Thank you for providing the explanation of your disappointment with the Luke characterization. In particular, your comment about not giving up on Vader (and being vindicated for it) while giving up on Ben helps me better understand your point of view. I see it more as a moment of extreme weakness that he ultimately wouldn't be able to follow through on, but I can definitely see your objection to that weakness in the first place.

By the way, I totally agree with you about tossing the saber. Unforgivable for a multitude of reasons. Bad writing just for the sake of an audience reaction. I'm also with you on the superficial distractions. We just have a different point of view in terms of the overall Luke story and characterization. Thank you again for helping me better understand your perspective. I appreciate it.

No problem. It's great that we can all discuss these things. Your take on his character has made me understand our differences of opinion much better :duff
 
Good points. You are right, he did want to give up on several occasions. But ultimately because of his faith in others and hope, he not only found that the good he felt in his father was true but also saved the galaxy in doing so. That's a pretty big achievement to then do a complete morality U turn on.

Good point. I can agree with that.
 
I'm only referring to the tossing of the sabre. If it had been done after at least asking where she got it, or looking at it in amazement because he hadn't seen it since Bespin (I'm assuming), I wouldn't think the quick toss was done just for shock value. Without at least a little more pondering when seeing the sabre again, I just can't stretch my belief that the scene was written for story more than for shocked audience reaction. It just bugs me too much on its own, but not enough to ruin the rest of the Luke story.

well thats just your opinion. I didn't feel that way. I wasn't shocked by it. I think it was a very Luke Skywalker reaction.
 
Good points. You are right, he did want to give up on several occasions. But ultimately because of his faith in others and hope, he not only found that the good he felt in his father was true but also saved the galaxy in doing so. That's a pretty big achievement to then do a complete morality U turn on.

I didn't feel that way. I thought it made perfect sense with the history of the character and the Skywalker bloodline. He might have saved his father's, but he couldn't save his nephew's. He felt too responsible and too ashamed because it was Leia's child. I felt it made so much sense. But oh well, i guess others didn't. :)
 
Spoilers never bother me, I want to know what happens. It's just a film. I'm still in suspense when I see it because obviously the film shows the intricacies and details of how it happens.

Yeah, don't know how you do it. You only get one shot at having that virgin movie experience though, before it's clouded by others pointing out certain things/flaws, moments that are surprising, plot twists, etc.
 
I'll wait for this look...

WATCH OUT, spoilers...


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This just shows some of the so many little things wrong with the film for me.
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