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[jkno]

The helmet from the Sandtrooper isn't from any movie. It is idealized in a wrong way. The jaw is too long and alas the mouth/frown adds up to that too (not even discussing the armor or pose here). Considering this time and age, when you can find tons of information about everything Sideshow should reconsider their "artistic interpretation" policy, take into consideration making a scan of the real deal and do what Gentle Giant did long ago. Of course for many these issues with the helmet and armor are not important as they feel this looks like a Sandtrooper. I agree the same way we can say a Mr. Potato Head Spud Trooper also looks like a Stormtrooper/Sandtrooper in the end LOL

 

[Phastroh]

I hear you I was just looking at the frown. It is not wide like the hero helmets. Why would they make those hero helmets for the movie? Just thinking it seems dumb to not just make one good mold for the helmets.

I can now see more of the issues with the helmet but it's still may find its way to my shelf. I don't have any issue with the pose but he is a bit skinny.

If they only put out release dates with all these other things coming out it would be easier to decide. If I get this in the next 2 weeks it will snuggly fit in between my other POs. If I wait it will be double the payment amounts when I have 3 hitting at the same time for a few months.

I hate how if you do less payments it still makes them end near delivery. Personally I'd rather just do them now so they are the only ones. Wonder if SS can make the 3-4 payments hit starting in August and not October? If I want this thing even.

Again it would suck if things like the new Han in Carb or something else pops out for PO.

Would be fantastic if someone made new helmets lol $20

I know HT has that 1/6 but with the new plethora of choices coming ya know

 

[albundyland]

After looking on starwarshelmets.com I guess it just looks like the ANH Hero helmet and not the stunt helmet the ST wore. I suppose it could of happened by chance one close up of s ST would be wearing this helmet.

The frown on the ANH Hero helmet is narrow like this ST PF to my comparison. So the helmet isn't just made up it is an actual helmet from the movie maybe just the wrong one but I guess that's why id isn't react as if it was from another film.

Like any collectible, it all comes down to whether it aesthetically appeals to you or not. I like this piece, but I'm not a hardcore Star Wars guy at all. Probably 99% of people who see this won't have any idea what some of the guys on here are talking about. I know I don't, or really care for that matter.

The concept of hero helmet vs stunt helmet happened by accident for the most part. I don't think the prop masters for the original movie had a specific plan as to which helmet was going to be used for what scene or which trooper etc.

 

[dao2]

The helmet from the Sandtrooper isn't from any movie. It is idealized in a wrong way. The jaw is too long and alas the mouth/frown adds up to that too (not even discussing the armor or pose here). Considering this time and age, when you can find tons of information about everything Sideshow should reconsider their "artistic interpretation" policy, take into consideration making a scan of the real deal and do what Gentle Giant did long ago. Of course for many these issues with the helmet and armor are not important as they feel this looks like a Sandtrooper. I agree the same way we can say a Mr. Potato Head Spud Trooper also looks like a Stormtrooper/Sandtrooper in the end LOL

I don't think the jaw is idealization, just bad sculpting. Using bubble lenses for the eyes? That's definetely idealization. The jaw is just they are way off. Artistic Interpenetration and Idealizing is not a blanket answer for everything that looks **** up. Their is nothing idealized about skinny limbs, bow legged troopers, etc. They just did a poor job and didn't care enough to fix it.

Like any collectible, it all comes down to whether it aesthetically appeals to you or not. I like this piece, but I'm not a hardcore Star Wars guy at all. Probably 99% of people who see this won't have any idea what some of the guys on here are talking about. I know I don't, or really care for that matter.

For the most part this, except for one consideration. If you at all plan on having anything else non-sideshow that uses the tk helmet then it's going to stick out like a sore thumb. I got rid of my original storm trooper pf for this reason. I figured "v0v I'll just live with it" but I could not live with how crap it looked compared to even smaller scale stuff next to it. It also looked really dumb with a 1:1 sitting right behind it. Not to say other stuff isn't idealized, it certainly is. But this isn't just idealized, that jaw just is crap and the frown makes it even worse.

 

[Phastroh]

Wait so you are saying even the plain SS PF ST with the small round base is bad too?

I guess I never thought it was not good lol

Wonder how costly the HT will be I'll have both

I was just looking at my SS vs the HT man they are so similar on the helmet.

I know it's not HT but my 1/4 NECA seem so weird. It's def weird owning a 1/4 poseable for me at least.

 

[dao2]

Wait so you are saying even the plain SS PF ST with the small round base is bad too?

I guess I never thought it was not good lol

Wonder how costly the HT will be I'll have both

I was just looking at my SS vs the HT man they are so similar on the helmet.

I know it's not HT but my 1/4 NECA seem so weird. It's def weird owning a 1/4 poseable for me at least.

This is the same helmet as the regular trooper yes, if you have that and like it the sandie will fit right in ;p

 

[Phastroh]

Ok

I'm saying I looked at the Sideshow and Hot Toys 1/4 Stormtrooper and the helmets seems the same. They look like hero helmets with the not wide front vents under the eyes. They are very similar to each other to me with side by side pix. Am I looking at something incorrectly?

 

[PermaG]

Dirt on the chest looks like someone threw Bantha poodoo at him.

 

[dao2]

Ok

I'm saying I looked at the Sideshow and Hot Toys 1/4 Stormtrooper and the helmets seems the same. They look like hero helmets with the not wide front vents under the eyes. They are very similar to each other to me with side by side pix. Am I looking at something incorrectly?

The HT one is hardly accurate as well, but at least it's got the proportions right. The jaw is a lot better, and I'm not quite sure how to explain the issue I have with the frown but it seems a bit then and like it just ends to quickly. They look very different to me

 

[Phastroh]

I guess I need someone to draw over them both cuz I can't tell the difference between the SS or HT 1/4 helmet. Not the Sandtrooper.

 

[dao2]

sorry I suck at photoshop also you'll have to get a like angle as the way the jaw is made with the different angles its length will look very different depending on exactly how you're looking at it, a straight on picture of both should probably exist though

 

[bonsey]

I don't think the jaw is idealization, just bad sculpting. Using bubble lenses for the eyes? That's definetely idealization. The jaw is just they are way off. Artistic Interpenetration and Idealizing is not a blanket answer for everything that looks **** up. Their is nothing idealized about skinny limbs, bow legged troopers, etc. They just did a poor job and didn't care enough to fix it.



For the most part this, except for one consideration. If you at all plan on having anything else non-sideshow that uses the tk helmet then it's going to stick out like a sore thumb. I got rid of my original storm trooper pf for this reason. I figured "v0v I'll just live with it" but I could not live with how crap it looked compared to even smaller scale stuff next to it. It also looked really dumb with a 1:1 sitting right behind it. Not to say other stuff isn't idealized, it certainly is. But this isn't just idealized, that jaw just is crap and the frown makes it even worse.

This guy ^^^ is spot on for those who were asking the differences. Lazy sculpting and in person I thought it looked pretty naff. Maybe because I costume and have learned to notice the differences...I don't know? If you're happy with how it looks go for it. I've now sold all my trooper PF'S as just couldn't bear having them when a Disney £20 talking figure had a better looking lid .

 

[Jagjaguwar]

I'd caution against taking too much stock in what other people say is "good" or "bad." You'll end up with a collection full of pieces that other people love, and may miss out on things that you'd enjoy more yourself. Not saying there's no value in looking into what makes a piece more or less accurate, but for me it's not the end-all-be-all (at least when we're not talking about actual full-scale prop replicas.)

 

[Phastroh]

I went back to starwarshelmets.com and have concluded that there are so many helmets that nothing made is really right.

I can see now on the ST the eyes are a tiny bit small and a few other things but as seen in that site there were so many different helmets made and painted, unpainted with diff lenses and colors a ST could have been wearing anything lol though it says all ST wore stunt helmets in the film.

I'll admit now after looking at tons of stuff I can see the helmets flaws but I'm ok with them. I actually prefer this not doing anything pose as well but he's a bit lanky and that is all that bothers me. I'll weigh this a bit more.

I also own the SS PF and I think it looks ok in fact the more I put pix of it next to the Hot Toys 1/4 ST the more the helmets look near identical.

Oh well I'll just have to go back to being happy with stuff lol

I was considering the fact I haven't reposed any of my 1/6 HT in a year. I'm never touching my heavy gunner since I got his hand on the trigger lol. I'm very happy with one pose.

I bought huge stands for my NECA 1/4 scale they have a round flat bottom you can barely see.

 

[albundyland]

I'd caution against taking too much stock in what other people say is "good" or "bad." You'll end up with a collection full of pieces that other people love, and may miss out on things that you'd enjoy more yourself. Not saying there's no value in looking into what makes a piece more or less accurate, but for me it's not the end-all-be-all (at least when we're not talking about actual full-scale prop replicas.)

Amen to that. Hardcore Star Wars fans are probably the most difficult to please, especially the rivet counters.

To compare this statue to an "authentic replica"(whatever that is) and say it's an abomination, where the majority of the population wouldn't see any difference, tells you enough about the hardcore fan. ; p

Put your hard earned money to the pieces that make you happy.

 

[ambasah]

to be fair, the majority of the population would not fork over $500 for a star wars statue.

I think I nice balance could be struck between accuracy and artistic flair. SS could have done more with this one (and some of the others) as far as accuracy goes. Not a deal breaker for me, but I can appreciate the criticism.

 

[albundyland]

to be fair, the majority of the population would not fork over $500 for a star wars statue.

Haha. Yes, very true! You're always the voice of reason ambasah!

 

[dao2]

It sounds like you want it phas, just order it!

 

[jkno]

It can be done if a company wants it. See below a comparison between the 1/4 SSC PF and the 1/3 JD Stormtroopers. The JD one has the SFS scaled helmet, that was made from an original screen used lid. The pose on JD is simple and natural like a scene from Star Wars, no more short leg in the back, no more weird looking horse face helmet.

 

[albundyland]

It can be done if a company wants it. See below a comparison between the 1/4 SSC PF and the 1/3 JD Stormtroopers. The JD one has the SFS scaled helmet, that was made from an original screen used lid. The pose on JD is simple and natural like a scene from Star Wars, no more short leg in the back, no more weird looking horse face helmet.

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Other than the pose and scale, they look identical to me.