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Pretty much every team will hang an Eastern/Western conference champions banner.

Yes, but only if they've won the Clarence S. Campbell Bowl or the Prince of Wales Trophy after getting through the conference playoff and then advancing to the Cup Final; not for merely finishing at the top of their respective conference at the conclusion of the regular season before the playoffs start.
 
Yes, but only if they've won the Clarence S. Campbell Bowl or the Prince of Wales Trophy after getting through the conference playoff and then advancing to the Cup Final; not for merely finishing at the top of their respective conference at the conclusion of the regular season before the playoffs start.

I assume you're referring to the Presidents Trophy banner for finishing with the best record in the NHL? There's an actual award for it and the Caps have only won it once...and probably will again this year.

They have only 1 Eastern Conference Champs banner as well and that's from 1998 when they beat Buffalo in the east finals and then got swept by Detroit in the cup finals.
 
I assume you're referring to the Presidents Trophy banner for finishing with the best record in the NHL? There's an actual award for it and the Caps have only won it once...and probably will again this year.

They have only 1 Eastern Conference Champs banner as well and that's from 1998 when they beat Buffalo in the east finals and then got swept by Detroit in the cup finals.

No, I'm not referring to the Presidents' Trophy nor their '98 Eastern Conference Champions banner. I'm referring to this.

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The Sharks do it too.

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As some of you may or may not know, the NHL GM meetings were held a few days ago. A couple of things were discussed that I like and don't like. First, we'll start with what I do like. They will be going to a new system that rewards the top non-playoff team to get the 1st overall pick. And then the 2nd best non-playoff team gets the 2nd overall selection... and so on and so forth. No more tanking. All teams will work diligently to compete for a playoff spot, or at the very least, a better pick. Which is how a team should be rewarded. No team should be rewarded for intentionally skating a mediocre product. Having said that, you may see teams doing just good enough to not make the playoffs, to get that 17th place position. I am assuming they are putting a lottery on that as well to fix that from becoming an issue. In the end, this means teams will try no matter how many games into it (be it 20, 40, or 60), and whether or not their campaign goes further into the Spring season.

Now what I don't like, the idea of reducing the goalie's equipment. That is a horrible, HORRIBLE idea to bring scoring up! Here's why... You get rid of the coach's challenge. Wait, that's an odd turn I took! I'll explain... It kills the momentum of games. When you have to call a goal off because a player is an inch offside, it's ridiculous. It also takes 4-6 minutes to get these calls right. At that point, if you have had a fast-paced game, it's now ruined the flow. It also makes it hard for the observer/viewer to be engaged. That was a bad idea implemented last year. Chalk it up to, we tried it... It didn't work. Let us toss it aside, and never look back. That is the bigger problem, not goalie equipment.

Another way to increase scoring.... I don't know, maybe call more penalties? I get what I said about the flow of the game. More penalties mean more man advantages, which in turn means increased scoring chances for the teams on the power play. If we're going to hinder the flow, let it be with the purpose to light up the scoresheet.

Finally, increase the size of the nets. Decreasing the size of equipment could be detrimental to the safety of the goalie, who is facing harder shots than ever before. It makes sense to increase the net estate because the average goalie is much larger from the offensive heyday of the 1980's. Your average goalie went from south of 6 feet and 200 lbs to north of that. We went from (of course taking the extremes into this), the Chris Terreri's of yesteryear who is 5'7" and 160 lbs, to your Ben Bishop's of today, who stands 6'7" and comes in at 240 lbs. That's quite the difference. The only thing that has remained the same in dimensions (height and width) are the nets.

Or, how about the best idea of them all... *drum roll please*.... Keeping the game as is. Stop trying to change the game so much. I am all for change, but this is becoming obscene and over redundant.
 
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I vote keep the game as is. The people who are already going to watch hockey, already watch it. You're not going to attract many more casual fans, if any. If anything, you're just going to piss off the people who are already currently fans by trying to drastically alter the rules of the game.
 
No, I'm not referring to the Presidents' Trophy nor their '98 Eastern Conference Champions banner. I'm referring to this.

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The Sharks do it too.

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Didn't even know that was a new banner they hung. Yep, that's a ridiculous banner.
 
All this talk about more goals over the past years makes me laugh. It's not about the goals, it's about a good game. I've seen 0-0 games be a hell of a lot more exciting than a 7-6 game. It all depends on the compete level. About the goalie equipment....again, I laugh at that. IS it possible at all that maybe the goalies now are just way more athletic and good ? A lack of premier players, a watered down league, and marginal players have more to do with this than big equipment IMO. Yes, let's make the equipment smaller so there can be way more injuries than there already is.
 
All this talk about more goals over the past years makes me laugh. It's not about the goals, it's about a good game. I've seen 0-0 games be a hell of a lot more exciting than a 7-6 game. It all depends on the compete level. About the goalie equipment....again, I laugh at that. IS it possible at all that maybe the goalies now are just way more athletic and good ? A lack of premier players, a watered down league, and marginal players have more to do with this than big equipment IMO. Yes, let's make the equipment smaller so there can be way more injuries than there already is.

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And let's face it also, "casual" fans probably watch more from the aspect of seeing a good fight than they do a good game based on finesse. Like I mentioned, they're not going to attract many more casual fans, if any, by trying to increase scoring. People that are going to watch hockey, already watch it.
 
All this talk about more goals over the past years makes me laugh. It's not about the goals, it's about a good game. I've seen 0-0 games be a hell of a lot more exciting than a 7-6 game. It all depends on the compete level. About the goalie equipment....again, I laugh at that. IS it possible at all that maybe the goalies now are just way more athletic and good? A lack of premier players, a watered down league, and marginal players have more to do with this than big equipment IMO. Yes, let's make the equipment smaller so there can be way more injuries than there already is.

I concur Gates70, but it's still nice to see players hit certain offensive benchmarks. If you read my post, I even said I am against equipment being shrunken down in size. Injuries are a scary thing, and they are just making it easier for guys to get hurt. Lots of stupid decisions being made. If I was in a coma 20 years ago, and I came out of one today, I wouldn't even recognize the game. And yes, I have seen entertaining low-scoring games as I have seen boring high scoring ones.

Having said that, I am all for more goals. But goalies are bigger (fact) and are all coached in great lengths in junior and upwards. Whereas goalies in yesteryear had no such thing as coaches that focused on the position. That and the gap between your lower end player to your top tier guys is closing.

Another thing many bring up is players are over coached early-in. Drilled into them is systems and learning positioning and hitting.... creativity is being taken out of the game, due to that process. This is the argument of many, even guys like Wayne Gretzky. And no, he's not the only big name player to make this statement.
 
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They have to get scoring up, no one hit 90 points last year.....

I think they have make the equipment smaller, it's continously grown over the years and it eliminated skill on both side for the keeper and scorer
 
I am not so sure.... goaltending numbers are excellent. And while goaltending equipment size can be argued, so could the net size. Goalies are much bigger... make the nets larger. But before doing radical things like that, get rid of the coaches challenge and call things properly and effectively. Granted players are scared to hit guys in fears they will clip a guy in the head, and the goon role is being phased out of the game. It's not that penalties hurt teams (it does), I think it's more-so to do with the NHL tapping on the shoulders of each team, letting them know what it means down the road for the league as a whole... Lawsuits. Lots and lots of lawsuits. And that scares them, and it should!
 
I am not so sure.... goaltending numbers are excellent. And while goaltending equipment size can be argued, so could the net size. Goalies are much bigger... make the nets larger. But before doing radical things like that, get rid of the coaches challenge and call things properly and effectively. Granted players are scared to hit guys in fears they will clip a guy in the head, and the goon role is being phased out of the game. It's not that penalties hurt teams (it does), I think it's more-so to do with the NHL tapping on the shoulders of each team, letting them know what it means down the road for the league as a whole... Lawsuits. Lots and lots of lawsuits. And that scares them, and it should!

Agreed on the goon aspect which has helped the speed and flow of games, getting rid of the challenge would help that also. But scoring is still down, I'm all for making the net larger but then you are changing the game from a fundamentals stand point. Maybe they change the frame so all those goal post shots go in. Idk, but something has to change so they can bring back th 100 point players
 
Goalie equipment is 40% larger now than when Olie Kolzig won the Vezina back in 2000 I believe. Yes, the goalies are getting bigger too. I have no issue with them shrinking the equipment a bit, but if you're going to increase the net size it needs to be a FRACTION. Personally I don't like a bunch or 7-6 or 6-5 games. I like a high compete level where goals matter instead of an all star game.
 
The most exciting hockey I've seen played in recent memory was overtime of Game 5 of the 2014 Cup Finals with the Kings and the NYR, when Martinez ultimately scored the Cup clinching goal. The overtime was bereft of fights and penalties, was literally back and forth with both teams getting prime chances where they'd only miss by a fraction.

You didn't even want to get up for a minute to take a piss lest that you would miss something.
 
I grew up watching hockey where guys like Mario Lemieux and Brett Hull were lighting up the lamp at a goal per game pace, and that made for some exciting hockey! Granted I was younger and my perception of the game is different from what it is today. The best playoff rounds I saw were the Pens/Hawks Cup Final in 1992, the 1994 Canucks/Rangers Cup Final, 1996 Pens/Caps (I want to say it was the 2nd round?).... Wings/Aves in the late 90's (best rivalries I witnessed), and the Pens/Wings Cup Final in 2008 and 2009. All those years had something in common, they had 100 point scorers.

I think that scoring should be up... and no not like an All-Star game. Again, people like when players hit certain benchmarks. Like in baseball, when a guy hits 50 homers and 100 RBIs, or in basketball when a guy gets 25 points-per-game. Hockey is no different. Records are meant to be broken. Stats are fun to follow. Granted stats are just one aspect of the game, but to say it's a ridiculous idea to get scoring up... well, I think that's seeing things from a narrow-sighted perspective. The game should evolve with the talent. I mean we did see it happen with the evolution of the game switching its name from bandy to hockey. From being played strictly on ponds to indoor rinks. To using horse dong, to rubber pucks. From flat hockey stick blades to curved ones. To added equipment like the goalie mask, and helmets. To face shields. To adding more officials on the ice. Adding lines to the game. It's constantly evolving. I just suggested, they should dial back and look at the bigger issues. To me the goalies are far superior and systems have improved. The game is smarter and more a 200 ft game than before, where it was more run-and-gun. But really, you can't compare a regular season game that goes towards a record to an All-Star game. People play harder for a game that counts for something. Were as the All-Star game is supposed to be taken as lite fun. . Why risk injury? It's like comparing apples to oranges.

I have seen the NHL in its offensive heyday... 1992/93 was the most offensive season on record and the worst, which you can argue was the last one. I am for meeting somewhere down the middle. Sure, you can make an argument that 2-1 games are fun and intense, but for every fun and intense 2-1 nail biter games I have seen during the regular season, I have seen far more boring 2-1 contests that drag on...much like this sentence does. To generally make a statement that suggests low scoring hockey is exciting is as ignorant as saying high scoring games are. It's how the games are being played. And I think there is definitely room for improvement. The hockey has been okay, good even at times... great at other times. But the great is far and few in between. There is definitely room for improvement. It's about finding what works. And I think some of the stuff I suggested hasn't... I do believe if you really want to bring up scoring, you have to call more penalties and you have to, at least, consider scaling up the nets. It doesn't have to be anything extreme. Then again, I am okay for not doing anything, except I really do want to see the end of the coaches challenge. Be honest, would any of us miss it? I know I sure as heck wouldn't.
 
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I grew up watching hockey where guys like Mario Lemieux and Brett Hull were lighting up the lamp at a goal per game pace, and that made for some exciting hockey! Granted I was younger and my perception of the game is different from what it is today. The best playoff rounds I saw were the Pens/Hawks Cup Final in 1992, the 1994 Canucks/Rangers Cup Final, 1996 Pens/Caps (I want to say it was the 2nd round?).... Wings/Aves in the late 90's (best rivalries I witnessed), and the Pens/Wings Cup Final in 2008 and 2009. All those years had something in common, they had 100 point scorers.

I think that scoring should be up... and no not like an All-Star game. Again, people like when players hit certain benchmarks. Like in baseball, when a guy hits 50 homers and 100 RBIs, or in basketball when a guy gets 25 points-per-game. Hockey is no different. Records are meant to be broken. Stats are fun to follow. Granted stats are just one aspect of the game, but to say it's a ridiculous idea to get scoring up... well, I think that's seeing things from a narrow-sighted perspective. The game should evolve with the talent. I mean we did see it happen with the evolution of the game switching its name from bandy to hockey. From being played strictly on ponds to indoor rinks. To using horse dong, to rubber pucks. From flat hockey stick blades to curved ones. To added equipment like the goalie mask, and helmets. To face shields. To adding more officials on the ice. Adding lines to the game. It's constantly evolving. I just suggested, they should dial back and look at the bigger issues. To me the goalies are far superior and systems have improved. The game is smarter and more a 200 ft game than before, where it was more run-and-gun. But really, you can't compare a regular season game that goes towards a record to an All-Star game. People play harder for a game that counts for something. Were as the All-Star game is supposed to be taken as lite fun. . Why risk injury? It's like comparing apples to oranges.

I have seen the NHL in its offensive heyday... 1992/93 was the most offensive season on record and the worst, which you can argue was the last one. I am for meeting somewhere down the middle. Sure, you can make an argument that 2-1 games are fun and intense, but for every fun and intense 2-1 nail biter games I have seen during the regular season, I have seen far more boring 2-1 contests that drag on...much like this sentence does. To generally make a statement that suggests low scoring hockey is exciting is as ignorant as saying high scoring games are. It's how the games are being played. And I think there is definitely room for improvement. The hockey has been okay, good even at times... great at other times. But the great is far and few in between. There is definitely room for improvement. It's about finding what works. And I think some of the stuff I suggested hasn't... I do believe if you really want to bring up scoring, you have to call more penalties and you have to, at least, consider scaling up the nets. It doesn't have to be anything extreme. Then again, I am okay for not doing anything, except I really do want to see the end of the coaches challenge. Be honest, would any of us miss it? I know I sure as heck wouldn't.

All good eras. I was watching hockey in this era also. I believe Gretzky has stated that the best game he has ever played was that '93 Campbell Conference Final game 7 against Toronto.

And yeah, the Avalanche-Red Wings rivalry in the late 90's has been one of the best rivalries I've witnessed.
 
Another thing that isn't talked about much and should be taken away IMO, is the fact that teams are allowed to shoot the puck down the ice when they have a penalty. You're penalized with one less player, so don't give them an advantage, keep the rules the same as 5 on 5.
 
Another thing that isn't talked about much and should be taken away IMO, is the fact that teams are allowed to shoot the puck down the ice when they have a penalty. You're penalized with one less player, so don't give them an advantage, keep the rules the same as 5 on 5.

Disagree. That would lead to a PP goal almost every PP. The team with the PP is at a HUGE advantage 5 on 4. The team with 4 would almost never get a line change if they weren't legally allowed to ice the puck. Hell, at that point just award the team who didn't take the penalty a goal is ce they'll most likely score anyway.
 
Another thing that isn't talked about much and should be taken away IMO, is the fact that teams are allowed to shoot the puck down the ice when they have a penalty. You're penalized with one less player, so don't give them an advantage, keep the rules the same as 5 on 5.

Couldn't disagree more and agree with KF.
 
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