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[jpuli28]

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I'll never understand the fascination or need to have to be able to see every muscle, tendon, vein, or sinew sculpted on a statue. What I want is to see is a realistic representation of what these characters would look like in a 3D world. They are wearing costumes aka clothes in the comics so it makes sense that they would where clothes on the 3D representations and not just super-duper-unrealistic skin tight...."colored skin" showing beyond unrealistic muscle definition. You can still see muscles through the mixed media used these days just as much as you can see muscles on a real person through their clothes. And what I mean by that is that clothes don't and shouldn't show every single little detail that exists on a person's body. As an example of this, just look at an NFL draft scouting combine. Those dudes are some of the most athletic, strong, cut, ripped people on the planet and they are wearing skin tight under armour type clothes. And yet, you can't see every single definition on their body. Many sure, but not like these fully sculpted pieces. Clothes have folds and wrinkles too which often isn't depicted at all or isn't depicted well enough on fully sculpted pieces. As long as the fabric that's used scale is correct, and the look that it's a character wearing clothes or a suit or a costume can be replicated that's how I prefer my pieces.

Which isn't to say that I don't also like fully sculpted pieces either. The way SS did Batgirl's costume is brilliant. It looks like clothes on a body and it looks like she could come to life in 1/4 scale. But many of the times it's just painted on costume which gets in every nook and cranny of the character's body. Not my cup of tea.

I don't understand it either. I understand they draw them that way, but realistically, that's not hot it looks in real life. That's is why I like the premium formats best, the cloth and material added to pieces really brings them to life.

First there appears to be a us and them mentality, so to each their own, right?

Second you guys come off a tad condescending (although Im sure its not intended) for an individual liking what he likes whether it be media or sculpt.

Third, your pushing the thought of reality...? Reality of 22" polystone statues derived SOLELY from the comic books (in this case) in which they ARE ripped shredded muscular anomalies in which there is no reality.

 

[marker2037]

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Condescending?? ok bud

They're derived from comic books sure, but that doesn't mean that much of what's in comic books is not based on reality. And I also don't want any Rob Liefeld-esque looking art in comics either.

Something like this does nothing for me. It's over-exaggerated and ridiculous looking.

I'll take something like this any day over that.

Oh, and look you can see muscles underneath too.

 

[KitFisto]

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Full sculpt folks have been VERY condescending to people who like PFs for a long time. It's all personal taste. Neither is "better" by factual evidence, but something is better by taste. Full sculpt folks have made a hobby of making constant fun of people who think mixed media is "better" in their opinions. I'm bot a fan of seeing every curve and muscle myself because it doesn't look realistic and I like the most realistic look I can find.

 

[Mr. Green]

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What's wrong with you peep? Don't you know that each superheroes/villains get their own vacuum to sucks out all the air/space to expose those hard to see muscles/definitions? SSC just too realistic with those PFs by pumping space back in to get that realistic arm pits look. So why not buy both....problems solve, hehe.

 

[filip629]

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Full sculpt folks have been VERY condescending to people who like PFs for a long time. It's all personal taste. Neither is "better" by factual evidence, but something is better by taste. Full sculpt folks have made a hobby of making constant fun of people who think mixed media is "better" in their opinions. I'm bot a fan of seeing every curve and muscle myself because it doesn't look realistic and I like the most realistic look I can find.

I know those of us that love fully sculpted 1/4 pieces can get pretty vocal at times. However, most of that has to do with the fact that SSC has dominated the 1/4 market and peeps that want fully sculpted pieces haven't had much to choose from over the years. That's why I firmly believe SSC should can 1/5 scale pieces in their COM line and release COMs as 1/4 fully sculpted pieces. This way the PF line can be used the way it was intended to be used. As 1/4 mixed media pieces. I think that would be win-win for everyone including SSC. SSC has openly stated that their COM line doesn't sell nearly as well as their PFs. This way SSC makes some more money and takes care of their fans that like fully sculpted pieces.

 

[jpuli28]

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I know those of us that love fully sculpted 1/4 pieces can get pretty vocal at times. However, most of that has to do with the fact that SSC has dominated the 1/4 market and peeps that want fully sculpted pieces haven't had much to chose from over the years. That's why I firmly believe SSC should can 1/5 scale pieces in their COM line and release COMs as 1/4 fully sculpted pieces. This way the PF line can be used the way it was intended to be used. As 1/4 mixed media pieces. I think that would be win-win for everyone including SSC. SSC has openly stated that their COM line doesn't sell nearly as well as their PFs. This way SSC makes some more money and takes care of their fans that like fully sculpted pieces.

Id bet this has more to do with size than the absence of media.

FWIW, I like both. just really depends on the application and quality.

 

[marker2037]

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They've been doing a lot more fully sculpted pieces over the past couple of years so that should satisfy most hardcore fully sculpt guys, but when a piece is eligible for a mixed media element I prefer they attempt that route first before needing to use sculpt. Some pieces just demand mixed media....Vader, Boba Fett, Dr. Doom, most capes. Some pieces can't execute the mixed media suit and a full sculpt is better...Batgirl, Daredevil, Spider-Man. Most of the time it falls somewhere in between.

Two pieces that I think are the perfect blend of mixed media and sculpted elements are the new Thor and Dr. Doom PFs. They have mixed media everywhere it should be and sculpted elements everywhere it should be.

 

[AC_808]

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Same here.




I'll never understand the fascination or need to have to be able to see every muscle, tendon, vein, or sinew sculpted on a statue. What I want is to see is a a realistic representation of what these characters would look like in a 3D world. They are wearing costumes aka clothes in the comics so it makes sense that they would where clothes on the 3D representations and not just super-duper-unrealistic skin tight...."colored skin" showing beyond unrealistic muscle definition. You can still see muscles through the mixed media used these days just as much as you can see muscles on a real person through their clothes. And what I mean by that is that clothes don't and shouldn't show every single little detail that exists on a person's body. As an example of this, just look at an NFL draft scouting combine. Those dudes are some of the most athletic, strong, cut, ripped people on the planet and they are wearing skin tight under armour type clothes. And yet, you can't see every single definition on their body. Many sure, but not like these fully sculpted pieces. Clothes have folds and wrinkles too which often isn't depicted at all or isn't depicted well enough on fully sculpted pieces. As long as the fabric that's used scale is correct, and the look that it's a character wearing clothes or a suit or a costume can be replicated that's how I prefer my pieces.

Which isn't to say that I don't also like fully sculpted pieces either. The way SS did Batgirl's costume is brilliant. It looks like clothes on a body and it looks like she could come to life in 1/4 scale. But many of the times it's just painted on costume which gets in every nook and cranny of the character's body. Not my cup of tea.

Therein lies the problem. Two different perspectives and point of view. You're coming from a "comic character statues based on reality" perspective and we are coming from a "comic character statues based on comics" perspective.

These comic characters are fantasy. They are not drawn to look normal (no, I don't like "Liefeld normal" either). They are drawn a certain muscular way with skin tight costumes most times. I like my statues to be exact representation of those characters. Not so much their costume design and facial features (as these vary with each artist), but mostly their stature, musculature and presence. So I prefer my statues fully sculpted as that is the only way I get a statue that truely matches the character in the comics. IMO, mixed media looks too much like a statue of a normal person in cosplay.

We have different perspectives and wants. Which is ok. You don't understand "the fascination or need to have to be able to see every muscle, tendon, vein, or sinew sculpted on a statue" ...and you never will. It is what it is. I'm fine with it.

 

[AC_808]

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Condescending?? ok bud

They're derived from comic books sure, but that doesn't mean that much of what's in comic books is not based on reality. And I also don't want any Rob Liefeld-esque looking art in comics either.

Something like this does nothing for me. It's over-exaggerated and ridiculous looking.


I'll take something like this any day over that.


Oh, and look you can see muscles underneath too.

And yes ...you were being condescending. Just read your posts. Maybe you were trying to be funny or something, but it didn't come off that way. Your last sarcastic comment above even gives a hint of it. But if you don't see that, then you'll never see it either, so ......

 

[marker2037]

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Re-read my post again. Never do I make fun of or act condescending towards anyone. I simply state I don't see the fascination with it.

And in my opinion, you're wrong about what comic artists are trying to convey in their art. It's always been based on reality. Spider-Man and friends live in NY. Sure he wears skin tight outfits, but he's drawn that way because they are picturing him wearing the same skin tight outfit in real life. So if you can use a material which scale wise represents this skin tight outfit, that's what I prefer to see in a 3D world.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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Therein lies the problem. Two different perspectives and point of view. You're coming from a "comic character statues based on reality" perspective and we are coming from a "comic character statues based on comics" perspective.

These comic characters are fantasy. They are not drawn to look normal (no, I don't like "Liefeld normal" either). They are drawn a certain muscular way with skin tight costumes most times. I like my statues to be exact representation of those characters. Not so much their costume design and facial features (as these vary with each artist), but mostly their stature, musculature and presence. So I prefer my statues fully sculpted as that is the only way I get a statue that truely matches the character in the comics. IMO, mixed media looks too much like a statue of a normal person in cosplay.

We have different perspectives and wants. Which is ok. You don't understand "the fascination or need to have to be able to see every muscle, tendon, vein, or sinew sculpted on a statue" ...and you never will. It is what it is. I'm fine with it.

That's the whole point in PFs...a realistic look

 

[AC_808]

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That's the whole point in PFs...a realistic look

Are you sure? Then why a fully sculpted Wonder Woman, Classic Catwoman, etc.?

In any case, that's why I stayed away from most of the mixed media PFs. Not my cup of tea. And again, I know exactly what I'm missing out on.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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Are you sure? Then why a fully sculpted Wonder Woman, Classic Catwoman, etc.?

In any case, that's why I stayed away from most of the mixed media PFs. Not my cup of tea. And again, I know exactly what I'm missing out on.

They only do sculpted when fabric isn't feasible

 

[filip629]

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They only do sculpted when fabric isn't feasible

That's a BIG part of the problem for fully sculpted fans. They want full sculpts even when fabric is feasible. Unfortunately, SSC doesn't care. That's a HUGE reason XM has blown up. They are giving fully sculpted fans what they want. Sad fact is though, without an international license and higher edition sizes, most peeps are shut out of XM merch. SSC is still most peeps only realistic shot at 1/4 Marvel pieces. However, SSC just about ignores fans of fully sculpted pieces (unless the character doesn't work in mixed media). That's why I strongly believe turning the COM line into strictly 1/4 fully sculpted pieces would work for all parties. SSC would get more money out of the line and fans of fully sculpted 1/4 pieces would have a line to call their own.

 

[AC_808]

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Re-read my post again. Never do I make fun of or act condescending towards anyone. I simply state I don't see the fascination with it.

And in my opinion, you're wrong about what comic artists are trying to convey in their art. It's always been based on reality. Spider-Man and friends live in NY. Sure he wears skin tight outfits, but he's drawn that way because they are picturing him wearing the same skin tight outfit in real life. So if you can use a material which scale wise represents this skin tight outfit, that's what I prefer to see in a 3D world.

As I said ...you'll never see it ...nor agree. Your point of view is just that ...yours.

None of these superheros are based on reality. The world that these comic characters live in may be based on reality ... like New York for example ...but these characters are based in fantasy. Even in "How to draw comics the Marvel way", Marvel will tell you that a superhero is "heroically proportioned". Spiderman is not just a normal kid in tights. Marvel says "a superhero simply has to look more impressive, more dramatic, more imposing" than average people. They even make a superhero "eight-and-three-quarters" heads tall compared to "six-and-a-half-heads" tall for a normal person. Artists are trying to convey a superhero the same way. They make a superhero's stature and physique much more dramatic than normal. Part of that is drawing the costume on these superheros as skin tight as possible ...to give it more dramatic effect. A full sculpt will get you that effect.

But its okay that you and I have different likes. I'll like what I like in a statue and you like what you like. I like the one on the top, you like the one on the bottom.

 

[AC_808]

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They only do sculpted when fabric isn't feasible

Sorry to keep debating you, Ink. But that's not true either. The original Catwoman is mixed media ...and the Classic Catwoman is fully sculpted. Both are mirror sculpts of each other. If the first one can be mixed media, then the second one can be too. Yet SSC went fully sculpted on the second one.

 

[AC_808]

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That's a BIG part of the problem for fully sculpted fans. They want full sculpts even when fabric is feasible. Unfortunately, SSC doesn't care. That's a HUGE reason XM has blown up. They are giving fully sculpted fans what they want. Sad fact is though, without an international license and higher edition sizes, most peeps are shut out of XM merch. SSC is still most peeps only realistic shot at 1/4 Marvel pieces. However, SSC just about ignores fans of fully sculpted pieces (unless the character doesn't work in mixed media). That's why I strongly believe turning the COM line into strictly 1/4 fully sculpted pieces would work for all parties. SSC would get more money out of the line and fans of fully sculpted 1/4 pieces would have a line to call their own.

I think you are onto something there, Filip. Making the COM line 1/4 scale and fully sculpted might just be a great idea.

 

[jpuli28]

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Sorry to keep debating you, Ink. But that's not true either. The original Catwoman is mixed media ...and the Classic Catwoman is fully sculpted. Both are mirror sculpts of each other. If the first one can be mixed media, then the second one can be too. Yet SSC went fully sculpted on the second one.

I was wondering the same thing...

 

[yeek]

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Personally I love mixed media. I don't know why, but I'll always pick mixed media over fully sculpted. It's that sense of realism to me. It doesn't even have to be completely mixed media, just add some elements to it, be it an accessory or whatever.

Call me pajama lover, lol...

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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As I said ...you'll never see it ...nor agree. Your point of view is just that ...yours.

None of these superheros are based on reality. The world that these comic characters live in may be based on reality ... like New York for example ...but these characters are based in fantasy. Even in "How to draw comics the Marvel way", Marvel will tell you that a superhero is "heroically proportioned". Spiderman is not just a normal kid in tights. Marvel says "a superhero simply has to look more impressive, more dramatic, more imposing" than average people. They even make a superhero "eight-and-three-quarters" heads tall compared to "six-and-a-half-heads" tall for a normal person. Artists are trying to convey a superhero the same way. They make a superhero's stature and physique much more dramatic than normal. Part of that is drawing the costume on these superheros as skin tight as possible ...to give it more dramatic effect. A full sculpt will get you that effect.

But its okay that you and I have different likes. I'll like what I like in a statue and you like what you like. I like the one on the top, you like the one on the bottom.

The PF looks way better