Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[krec9]

Re: Man of Steel

My god, the few people criticizing the movie don't even have a point, just sarcasm, guess that happens when you don't have enough material to hate on something, Avengers this avengers that, I loved Avengers but it was completely mindless, MoS had heart, soul, a good script, and it wasn't too fast IMO, sure it had technical flaws, what movie doesn't? It's still less flawed than the Nolan Trilogy and Avengers.

I loved it and I'm a Supes fan.

exactly it happened with promthesus ,dark knight, amazing Spiderman nothing else to talk about so lets rip the movie apart .

 

[CelticPredator]

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You know, I'd wager most people's problems with this movie aren't nit picks, or little petty things....but big things like...the script, the story, the CHARACTERS, the tone....maybe the collateral damage.

 

[GasparZizou]

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I heard it. But it just screams of bais.

exactly it happened with promthesus ,dark knight, amazing Spiderman nothing else to talk about so lets rip the movie apart .

Except MoS didn't have nearly as many errors as those movies.

 

[iron.jedi83]

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she did get sucked into the PZ. she was going after the Colonel dude and before he crashed the ship he told her "a good death is its own reward"

i do hope she comes back

 

[GasparZizou]

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You know, I'd wager most people's problems with this movie aren't nit picks, or little petty things....but big things like...the script, the story, the CHARACTERS, the tone....maybe the collateral damage.

You obviously haven't read RT's reviews...

 

[CelticPredator]

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I haven't. Don't plan too. I only listen to 3 critics.

I'm talking about here. Right here. This forum. Every review I've read, aside from one or two troll posts, has been about the film as a film. Not as an adaptation, not about little nerdy nits...but real film criticism.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Man of Steel

I haven't. Don't plan too. I only listen to 3 critics.

I'm talking about here. Right here. This forum. Every review I've read, aside from one or two troll posts, has been about the film as a film. Not as an adaptation, not about little nerdy nits...but real film criticism.

Oh ok, I just arrived to this thread so probably, seeing the page count, all I can discuss was already discussed, so I'll let it be.

I still think it's way better than Avengers, which is basically what people are trying to compare it with most of the time.

It was the perfect approach to make Superman realistic and human IMO, it was fresh.

 

[krec9]

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Except MoS didn't have nearly as many errors as those movies.

Exactly I liked prometheus it had problems but so did alien and no one bad mouths that.

 

[CelticPredator]

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The reason why, is the climax. The big city wide battle where millions of people are caught in the middle.

The rest of the movie shouldn't be compared. And I don't really think Transformers 3 is a good comparison either.

 

[crows]

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I haven't. Don't plan too. I only listen to 3 critics.

I'm talking about here. Right here. This forum. Every review I've read, aside from one or two troll posts, has been about the film as a film. Not as an adaptation, not about little nerdy nits...but real film criticism.

what critics?

 

[CelticPredator]

Re: Man of Steel

Exactly I liked prometheus it had problems but so did alien and no one bad mouths that.

Because Alien kept it straight forward, and to the point. People seem to forget that a simple plot can work far better then a contrived one. Alien works because it's "People land on planet, pick up life form, life form wreaks havoc on the ship, and they have find a way to stop it, and get out of there." Anyone can understand the movie. But it's the characters, and visuals that set it a part from any other science fiction horror movie back then.

Prometheus, while I enjoy it, tries to jump around and add new plot points on top of old plot points, doesn't tie things up, gets contrived. Plus, the characters tend to jump around their own self too. They lack consistency.

 

[CelticPredator]

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what critics?

Spill.com, Red Letter Media, and Badass Digest.

RLM doesn't give their reviews till much later. But I usually almost always agree with them.

 

[chewblacca]

Re: Man of Steel

My god, the few people criticizing the movie don't even have a point, just sarcasm, guess that happens when you don't have enough material to hate on something, Avengers this avengers that, I loved Avengers but it was completely mindless, MoS had heart, soul, a good script, and it wasn't too fast IMO, sure it had technical flaws, what movie doesn't? It's still less flawed than the Nolan Trilogy and Avengers.

I loved it and I'm a Supes fan.

By heart do you mean the fact that his father wanted to protect his son's secret so bad he was willing to let a bus full of children die? Or maybe you are referring to the fact that he let himself die to protect his secret only to have it discovered later by the US military? By soul do you mean when he sits in a church, not sure what to do, then allows himself to be handcuffed, only to claim not to be a danger to anyone? That he just wants to help, then destroys the town where he lives, and levels a city?
That's a lot of heart and soul.

 

[GasparZizou]

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Exactly I liked prometheus it had problems but so did alien and no one bad mouths that.

I love prometheus, but I have to admit that I have to let many things go in order to enjoy it, TDKR wasn't perfect, but most of it's mistakes are really nitpicks.

But MoS is completely different, a couple nitpicks and no real criticism for me.

The reason why, is the climax. The big city wide battle where millions of people are caught in the middle.

The rest of the movie shouldn't be compared. And I don't really think Transformers 3 is a good comparison either.

But the buildings were clearly empty .

I loved the characters, specially Faora and her evolutionary advantage The Supes and Lois falling in love bit was too forced though, everything else just fell into place smoothly IMO

Well I don't want to argue about it that much more, it's annoying when people discuss something that was already discussed in a thread.

 

[CelticPredator]

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Well, the streets where the buildings sure weren't.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Man of Steel

By heart do you mean the fact that his father wanted to protect his son's secret so bad he was willing to let a bus full of children die? Or maybe you are referring to the fact that he let himself die to protect his secret only to have it discovered later by the US military? By soul do you mean when he sits in a church, not sure what to do, then allows himself to be handcuffed, only to claim not to be a danger to anyone? That he just wants to help, then destroys the town where he lives, and levels a city?
That's a lot of heart and soul.

Then maybe you should try not to put words in people's mouths.

By heart and soul I meant that every character had a solid motivation to do what they did, they had a very defined personality, you could feel the love with which Superman was written to make him feel more human instead of the flawless god from the comics.

Even though the plot was as simple: "We need your planet to build a new one for us because our original planet went ka-boom" they made it exciting again.

 

[Maglor]

Re: the ol' Ultra-Violence

Avengers had better interpersonal reactions between the characters. Yes, giant snaky-looking things, yes Loki, yes throwing Stark out of his tower, all that. I liked it. It was good.

Supes and Zod throwing each other through skyscrapers, through gas stations, through construction sites ... all WITH PEOPLE IN THEM... This is the difference: Avengers made everything comparatively safe. Hurry, hurry, run over here and get into this bus!! Everyone be safe!!

MoS didn't: people died in droves. This heightens the tension, there's a lot more at stake.

I never got the sensation that the Avengers were fighting Loki to the death. But it was IMMEDIATELY APPARENT that Supes and Zod were probably going to fight to the death. It was at least twice as intense, we have never really seen a fight like that before. I don't know that I would say "better," these were two very different showdowns.

Props to MoS for daring to push the bar higher. Probably the closest thing I have seen to that final fight was the final fight in Terminator 2, the one in the steel factory. We all knew one of those cyborgs was going down for the final count, and they were not pulling any punches either. The shocker was that we lost not only the evil one, but both of them.

Did we actually see anyone 'die in droves'? I'm pretty sure we're are supposed to believe that no one was dying. That's certainly the impression I got.

As far as fighting to the death is concerned, they are both invincible. Zod was absurdly easy to beat in his final scene. Why would it be that easy to break his neck?

 

[GasparZizou]

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Well, the streets where the buildings sure weren't.

Well both times Superman was punched through a couple skyscrapers and the camera panned through them, they were deserted.

 

[Maglor]

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But the buildings were clearly empty .
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I had the same impression. No 'dying in droves'.

 

[krec9]

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Because Alien kept it straight forward, and to the point. People seem to forget that a simple plot can work far better then a contrived one. Alien works because it's "People land on planet, pick up life form, life form wreaks havoc on the ship, and they have find a way to stop it, and get out of there." Anyone can understand the movie. But it's the characters, and visuals that set it a part from any other science fiction horror movie back then.

Prometheus, while I enjoy it, tries to jump around and add new plot points on top of old plot points, doesn't tie things up, gets contrived. Plus, the characters tend to jump around their own self too. They lack consistency.

I miss the simple stuff straight to the point but its not that way now I think people expect to much everything can't be a masterpiece.