Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[galmando]

Re: The Man of Steel

I know little about Guardians of the Galaxy, but I am aware that there is a talking Racoon. That makes me very curious as to how they are going to make it work

as for MOS, I'm off to see it tomorrow

even though I used to read more Marvel, I would hope that any comic book movie succeeds as there are wealth of great stories, ideas and concepts to be explored and adapted

so I hope MOS does incredibly well

 

[Rorywan]

Re: The Man of Steel

The problem so far with the recent DC movies (the good ones) is that they have spent a lot of time making their worlds believable. Nolan's Batman films almost forgot they were superhero movies in the middle. And now Man of Steel has tried to make its own world more believable. Taking the high concept and trying to rationalise it. The problem is though when you try to mix these worlds for a film like Justice League. The concept of a bunch of superheroes coming together is so far removed from reality that it wouldn't make sense in a larger sense.
The studios desperately want their own DC version of What Marvel has got, but they are shooting themselves in the foot somewhat.

What was so brilliant about Marvel's approach to their material so far is that they embraced the absurdity, embraced the joy in the stories, pretty much anything goes. Their superheroes are comic book superheroes. Not slightly fantasy based private detectives, not real world interpretations of superheroes. They are gods and super humans, genius's and mutants.

Keaton's Batman and Reeve's Superman could have existed together because they didn't shy away from their lighter comic book framework.

 

[ToastedFred]

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I just went on to RT to check it, and it's hit 59%.

It's honestly surprising that it not been doing well critically. I'm sure financially it will be a big hit though. Besides I still wanna go see it.

 

[dino76m]

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i felt Nolans batman and singers superman, fit each other,,,

 

[Rorywan]

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**** the critics, it's gonna make a fortune.

 

[jye4ever]

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Hands down that 59% is the biggest superhero movie shocker for me since these movies started to gain traction with big budgets.

I won't have my own opinion until tonight but I would be lying if I said I wasn't shocked by that RT score, that's a punch to the back of the head.

 

[ToastedFred]

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Hands down that 59% is the biggest superhero movie shocker for me since these movies started to gain traction with big budgets.

I won't have my own opinion until tonight but I would be lying if I said I wasn't shocked by that RT score, that's a punch to the back of the head.

Same here, I wasn't expecting TDK results, but I was honestly expecting somewhere between 70-80%. Of course it can all still change, since there aren't even 100 reviews tallied yet, but I don't see it go up that much. I think the vast majority of people will be shocked by the RT score.

 

[jye4ever]

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I was actually expecting 80-90.

 

[JefftheCollector]

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Hands down that 59% is the biggest superhero movie shocker for me since these movies started to gain traction with big budgets.

I won't have my own opinion until tonight but I would be lying if I said I wasn't shocked by that RT score, that's a punch to the back of the head.

Yes it does, which puts it down to Green Lantern territory. Can it really be that poor a film?

Well like I said I'll wait till I see the film to pass judgement.

 

[ToastedFred]

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I could've seen it reaching into the 80's but I was thinking more on par with The Prestige's RT score of 75%.

Were many people shocked at The Hobbit's RT score being somewhat low at 65%? I can understand where the negativity could come from for that film due to the risk of using 60FPS.

EDIT: It's back to 60% now.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

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Do critic scores really mean that much to people? I mean this as a genuine question. Their scores mean nothing to me, especially in this day and age. STID received glowing universal praise. I hate the film, and found nothing enjoyable(outside of Quinto and Cumberbatch's performances) about the whole experience.

Other than as a weapon for fanboys what purpose does RT serve?

 

[Rorywan]

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As much money as I'm sure this will make regardless, there must be a very pissed off Snyder in a bar somewhere right now. Studios won't care beyond financial loss due to the negative reviews, but the creative team behind the movie must be very disappointed.

 

[Rorywan]

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Do critic scores really mean that much to people? I mean this as a genuine question. Their scores mean nothing to me, especially in this day and age. STID received glowing universal praise. I hate the film, and found nothing enjoyable(outside of Quinto and Cumberbatch's performances) about the whole experience.

Other than as a weapon for fanboys what purpose does RT serve?

After the initial release flood of cash, reviews do influence the profit of a movie. Sites like RT have a lot of clout.

 

[ToastedFred]

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I never let the RT score change my opinion on a film, I just find it interesting to see how "professionals" interpret certain aspects of films and certain films in general. As someone who works in the industry I like to take mental notes of what fans are looking for in comparison to what critics look for, and what films can still be regarded as successful yet get panned by critics.

 

[Ramatuelle]

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That's why this film feels so morose. Nolan's Batman prevented most of the bad **** from going down, saving lives in the process (at least in the first two films.) In MOS, the damage is done. Sure, Supes come out on top, but at what cost? The message of this movie is the only way to stop space terrorists is through more "wanton violence and destruction." The damage is literally apocalyptic and left me wondering, how the hell they'll clean up the mess, AND find a bigger threat in a sequel.

I guess he could have just sat around and let the Phantom Zone Crewe do their thing, in the interest of less collateral damage perhaps? No. Had he done that there would have been even MORE damage.

Have not yet seen this film, but I find the idea of this amount of collateral damage refreshing because it is much more realistic. I love the Avengers, but let's get real: the Chitauri invasion would have produced at least ten times the damage that it did, IRL.

Superman is one guy and cannot be everywhere. Of course the death and destruction is going to be apocalyptic; this is great for us as moviegoers. If I want to see sweet and adorable superheroes bopping down the street, and supervillains whipping up some scrambled eggs/emitting lame one-liners I can go watch Spider-Man 3. DC is thinking big this time. GREAT NEWS.

 

[tomandshell]

Re: The Man of Steel

The first half is mostly the origin story we're already familiar with. If that doesn't hook the critics, and if they aren't invested by the halfway point, the second half is going to be like watching somebody play a video game. These critics will get bored by the action.

Joss Whedon understands when to inject a good joke and allow the audience to have an emotional response in the midst of the action. Humor doesn't pull you out of the movie, it gives you a moment to breathe before diving back in. Spectacle works when you care and this kind of spectacle really takes off when you're having fun. Man of Steel has some incredible visuals, but many of the critics don't care about the action and reach a point of sensory overload where they just switch off.

Don't let critical scores on RT keep you from seeing this movie. You might not agree with them. Not all of my favorite movies were critical darlings when released.

 

[Ramatuelle]

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Do critic scores really mean that much to people? I mean this as a genuine question. Their scores mean nothing to me, especially in this day and age. STID received glowing universal praise. I hate the film, and found nothing enjoyable(outside of Quinto and Cumberbatch's performances) about the whole experience.

Other than as a weapon for fanboys what purpose does RT serve?

Means nothing to me; I will go see the film because I find it interesting. I don't think any critic anywhere has ever had a role in my decision-making.

Actually STID received a lot of bad reviews; I remember reading them and going "wow." But I didn't think the original Star Trek reboot was all that either - visually interesting, but extremely short on plot - so there's that.

 

[krec9]

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RT reviewers are *****ing about nonsense .

 

[a-dev]

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Do critic scores really mean that much to people? I mean this as a genuine question. Their scores mean nothing to me, especially in this day and age. STID received glowing universal praise. I hate the film, and found nothing enjoyable(outside of Quinto and Cumberbatch's performances) about the whole experience.

Other than as a weapon for fanboys what purpose does RT serve?

I must have read only the bad reviews for STID and after seeing the film I agree with every single one of them.

So seeing these bad reviews for MOS has me worried.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

Re: The Man of Steel

After the initial release flood of cash, reviews do influence the profit of a movie. Sites like RT have a lot of clout.

The first half is mostly the origin story we're already familiar with. If that doesn't hook the critics, and if they aren't invested by the halfway point, the second half is going to be like watching somebody play a video game. These critics will get bored by the action.

Joss Whedon understands when to inject a good joke and allow the audience to have an emotional response in the midst of the action. Humor doesn't pull you out of the movie, it gives you a moment to breathe before diving back in. Spectacle works when you care and this kind of spectacle really takes off when you're having fun. Man of Steel has some incredible visuals, but many of the critics don't care about the action and reach a point of sensory overload where they just switch off.

Don't let critical scores on RT keep you from seeing this movie. You might not agree with them. Not all of my favorite movies were critical darlings when released.

I agree that spectacle works when you care, but unless you are talking about Buffy or Serenity Joss, I can't agree with you. Avengers spectacle to me was just emotionless. There was never a sense of danger or anything. And Coulson's death lacked any punch. He was the only character you could kill. He's the only character not in the comics(at the time) therefore he's expendable. Wash dying in Serenity hurt because it was so out of left field. It's made worse because Zoey has no time to grieve. And watching her lose herself to the desire to get vengeance, and possibly die to be with Wash made it even worse.

I don't let critics stop me from playing a game or seeing a movie. And I'm right there with you that some of my favs for both mediums have been less than critical darlings. But I love them anyway.

I realize that first part could be interpreted as kind of ******* ish, or hating on Avengers, and i don't want it too. i actually like the film. Not as much as Cap's solo but still a lot.