The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[ironwez20]

No That guy seems to not let it go lol.

 

[ironwez20]

Hi troll.

Hi hater

 

[thenammagazine]

Hi hater

You see the poll for favorite summer Superhero flick?

 

[ironwez20]

No I didn't why ? Nvm I saw it I voted for avengers.

 

[cerealkeller]

Yeah, I agree.

A new Batman film is better than no film at all but man I've been blindsided with all the choices that were made with this one. I don't hate it, but, like you said, it just didn't seem like the next step after what went down in the Dark Knight. In fact it feels like it could be a 4th or a 5th film/story instead of a third. I'd love to see/hear/read about the thought process that went into making this one from the Nolan's and Goyer. What concepts did they originally start out with? What did they abandon? Etc. etc.

And it's not that I'm not up for change. Saying, "this isn't what I expected" sounds sort of selfish, but when you come out of a film that has sequel potential there are certain expectations and qualities that are expected in the next film. One of those was Catwoman and I'll admit that this film delivered in that respect.

The ending of Begins has certain, I don't know, promises that ended up being kept with The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight was the next logical step after what occured in Batman Begins. TDK didn't only deliver what was expected (The Joker), it gave more. From TDK to TDKR, everything felt/feels strange. I don't know about other people, but if I was shown the script of TDKR this time last year, I'd think it was straight up fan fiction with the choices it made. I don't hate it but it's just a weird film to me. Like I said a few days ago, it's like a "what if" tale.

BB and TDK felt like they were setting up MY definitive Batman that I have been rambling about to anyone I have ever known. "Why don't they do this version of Batman?" and it seemed Nolan was going there. But he really through a curve ball with the last known appearance of Batman being immediately the night Dent died. I wanted to see a hunted Batman who was feared by cops and criminals alike. A Batman who is at the end of his mental rope and needs something to remind him he is also Bruce Wayne. That is where I thought Catwoman was going to come in. And in a way that is what happened.

I would also LOVE to hear the insights by Nolan and Goyer on decisions they made story wise. In a way, it feels a little like "How do we end this?" more than the next logical step in the story.

Funny how it sounds like I don't like it and I do love TDKR! It is my favorite after BB. But yeah, certainly not where I would have went with the story. But I am pleased with where it ended.

 

[DarthBakura]

Yeah, I agree.

A new Batman film is better than no film at all but man I've been blindsided with all the choices that were made with this one. I don't hate it, but, like you said, it just didn't seem like the next step after what went down in the Dark Knight. In fact it feels like it could be a 4th or a 5th film/story instead of a third. I'd love to see/hear/read about the thought process that went into making this one from the Nolan's and Goyer. What concepts did they originally start out with? What did they abandon? Etc. etc.

And it's not that I'm not up for change. Saying, "this isn't what I expected" sounds sort of selfish, but when you come out of a film that has sequel potential there are certain expectations and qualities that are expected in the next film. One of those was Catwoman and I'll admit that this film delivered in that respect.

The ending of Begins has certain, I don't know, promises that ended up being kept with The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight was the next logical step after what occured in Batman Begins. TDK didn't only deliver what was expected (The Joker), it gave more. From TDK to TDKR, everything felt/feels strange. I don't know about other people, but if I was shown the script of TDKR this time last year, I'd think it was straight up fan fiction with the choices it made. I don't hate it but it's just a weird film to me. Like I said a few days ago, it's like a "what if" tale.

This movie, at least as we know it now, almost didn't happen. Nolan wanted to end his run with The Dark Knight, possibly due to not being able to use Heath's performance again and to, in a way, honor him, I guess.

However, Warner Brothers was probably hounding him, and Goyer, to jumpstart the project. And when Goyer finally came up with a solid script to produce to Nolan... well, everything fell into place from there. It's likely a huge deviation from what he would have originally intended. However, I think it's a good send off either way.

 

[thenammagazine]

No I didn't why ?

<-- ain't the only hater. Only 10 out of 299 people agree with you.

The Avengers: 132 44.15%
Amazing Spider-man: 10 3.34%
TDKR 157 52.51%
Voters: 299.​

 

[ironwez20]

<-- ain't the only hater. Only 10 out of 299 people agree with you.

The Avengers: 132 44.15%
Amazing Spider-man: 10 3.34%
TDKR 157 52.51%
Voters: 299.​

Agree with me on what ? What are you taking about ?

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah, I agree.

A new Batman film is better than no film at all but man I've been blindsided with all the choices that were made with this one. I don't hate it, but, like you said, it just didn't seem like the next step after what went down in the Dark Knight. In fact it feels like it could be a 4th or a 5th film/story instead of a third. I'd love to see/hear/read about the thought process that went into making this one from the Nolan's and Goyer. What concepts did they originally start out with? What did they abandon? Etc. etc.

And it's not that I'm not up for change. Saying, "this isn't what I expected" sounds sort of selfish, but when you come out of a film that has sequel potential there are certain expectations and qualities that are expected in the next film. One of those was Catwoman and I'll admit that this film delivered in that respect.

The ending of Begins has certain, I don't know, promises that ended up being kept with The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight was the next logical step after what occured in Batman Begins. TDK didn't only deliver what was expected (The Joker), it gave more. From TDK to TDKR, everything felt/feels strange. I don't know about other people, but if I was shown the script of TDKR this time last year, I'd think it was straight up fan fiction with the choices it made. I don't hate it but it's just a weird film to me. Like I said a few days ago, it's like a "what if" tale.

 

[CelticPredator]

Agree with me on what ? What are you taking about ?

You love teh Spider

 

[ironwez20]

You love teh Spider

O well jokes on him I voted for avengers for my fav summer superhero movie.

 

[thenammagazine]

Agree with me on what ? What are you taking about ?

 

[IrishJedi]

The more Nolancompoops want to blame the shooting for lack of box office records the more I recall the same Nolancompoops downplaying the Ledger tragedy's affect on the buzz for TDK and role its box office.

BTW, every person I know who went to see TDKR opening week says the theaters were packed. Mine certainly was... on both showings.

 

[CelticPredator]

____ those people.

The shooting may have affected it early on, but not now. Not at all.

 

[thenammagazine]

The more Nolancompoops want to blame the shooting for lack of box office records the more I recall the same Nolancompoops downplaying the Ledger tragedy's affect on the buzz for TDK and role its box office.

BTW, every person I know who went to see TDKR opening week says the theaters were packed. Mine certainly was... on both showings.

I saw it opening day (following the shooting) to a packed house. Second showing I caught middle of the week following was semi packed. Any major effect the shootings would've had would've been that weekend, not 5 days later.

 

[DarthBakura]

BTW, every person I know who went to see TDKR opening week says the theaters were packed. Mine certainly was... on both showings.

Yeah, I went on Sunday at 12pm on opening weekend and I'm pretty sure every seat was filled by the time the trailers started. There was another showing starting 30 minutes later too... and there's three theaters in the area.

I was surprised, because I do not remember it being completely packed at The Dark Knight, and I saw it that Friday night on opening weekend, back when there were only two theaters.

 

[Khev]

Bruce giving up the Bat absolutely seemed like a logical end to the story. Being the Bat took care of a lot of common criminals but it also drew the Joker, which Gordon warned him about at the end of the very first movie.

I see Nolan Batman as the "Chosen One" who needed to bring the city of Gotham back into "balance." It was corrupt and infested and oppressed in a way that normal cops and politicians could not handle until the Bat evened the odds. But he couldn't stay around forever because of the inevitable escalation.

Once the pendulum swung back in favor of the good cops and politicians it was time for him to leave.

The LoS also represented a restoration of balance but its idea of evening the odds was simply to eradicate BOTH sides.

So common criminals and corruption = The Death Star in ANH
Too big for normal citizens to deal with so Batman had to blow it up

But that drew the attention of Vader and the Emperor (ie The Joker and his kind), much WORSE threats than the Death Star.

He had to leave Gotham for the same reason Luke had to leave his friends on Endor. "He was endangering the mission" because his presence attracted greater evil like a beacon. But in Gotham putting down Vader and the Emperor isn't the end. There would ALWAYS be new Jokers and freaks as long as the Bat roamed the streets. So the Bat went away, no more agents of chaos sought out the city, and the Gotham law enforcement took care of the rest, with new everyman heroes in place like Gordon and Blake to ensure that things would never get out of hand like they did before Bruce had to create the "legend" to tip the scales.

 

[ironwez20]

So why do you think tdkr isn't doing as well as tdk ?

 

[CelticPredator]

Lack of Joker. Simple as that.

 

[DarthBakura]

Bruce giving up the Bat absolutely seemed like a logical end to the story. Being the Bat took care of a lot of common criminals but it also drew the Joker, which Gordon warned him about at the end of the very first movie.

I see Nolan Batman as the "Chosen One" who needed to bring the city of Gotham back into "balance." It was corrupt and infested in a way that normal cops and politicians could not handle until the Bat evened the odds. But he couldn't stay around forever because of the inevitable escalation.

Once the pendulum swung back in favor of the good cops and politicians it was time for him to leave.

The LoS also represented a restoration of balance but its idea of evening the odds was simply to eradicate BOTH sides.

So common criminals and corruption = The Death Star in ANH
Too big for normal citizens to deal with so Batman had to blow it up

But that drew the attention of Vader and the Emperor (ie The Joker and his kind), much WORSE threats than the Death Star.

He had to leave Gotham for the same reason Luke had to leave his friends on Endor. "He was endangering the mission" because his presence attracted greater evil like a beacon. But in Gotham putting down Vader and the Emperor isn't the end. There would ALWAYS be new Jokers and freaks as long as the Bat roamed the streets. So the Bat went away, no more agents of chaos sought out the city, and the Gotham law enforcement took care of the rest, with new everyman heroes in place like Gordon and Blake to ensure that things would never get out of hand like they did before Bruce had to create the "legend" to tip the scales.

Good point.

The comics are infested with a lengthy gallery of rogues, due to Batman's "stay." A lot of which could be potential failures on the silver screen. I like what Nolan has done with his Batverse. It might not be perfect, but nothing is. It's as good as we're probably ever going to get though, to be honest. I fear the reboot. I hope like hell a lot of thought goes into the future endeavors of this franchise.