Masters of the Universe Classics

[teemu]

How is it the other way around? I am going on what is actually is out there and what has been said who what He-Man is.

are you really? doesn't seem like it to me

You are just making stuff up, coming to your own conclusion and telling us it's fact.

Making up stuff? Okay...So I guess MOTU is whatever you want it to be right?

Anybody can do that. Christians make a carreer out of it!

Sure,there are Many "self-professed" Christians who give Christianity a bad name...but it doesn't really mean they are really Christian.You know a Christian by his fruit and also the fruit of Truth..

 

[Shropt]

Not trying to kill the discussion but let's take it easy on the religion talk. That kind of thing gets out of hand real quick around here.

 

[YoNoSe]

In the movie, Skeletor only thinks he's a god. If you had all that power, you would too.

He-Man still beats despite being whipped........which by the way left scars. Again, gods do not scar.

You guys aregrasping at straws here and trying to shoehorn in what you wish it to be.

Not grasping at straws. All of the things I've pointed out are references to "god" from MOTU. I didn't make them up, and they are just off the top of my head. I'm not assigning any significance to them, just speculating.

Since there is no definitive answer (that I know of) from the guys who created all of these different characters and different incarnations of the characters there is really only supposition from both sides as to what "god" means to the characters or what the creators intended. Unless of course there is some commentary from the creators of The Goddess or Evil Lyn where they actually state that "goddess" is just some kind of meaningless title. In that case I stand corrected, just not aware of it.

I don't think anyone would argue that He-Man is a man first and foremost. The question is whether he had powers from a "godlike" source. As far as someone like that being impervious to injury, who says? Jesus Christ was scarred. Of course that may depend on your personal beliefs about Jesus' divinity but even if you look at him as a fictional character he's a man with extraordinary, God-like powers who is murdered (and bares scars).

I'm honestly only looking at it academically. I'm far from devout religiously so I hope I'm not coming across as a recruiter or something. Likewise, not trying to say He-Man is like Jesus. Just talking about toys.

I personally prefer to continue thinking about the magic powers in MOTU as a fictional, meaningless fantasy just as the technologies are fantastic. But I think there's enough grey area to warrant discussion. I don't think it's out of the question that references are intentional and purposeful.

But that's the movie, and it's Skeletor... and he's defeated...
He-man and the boys are NOT gods...
that's all...

I tend to agree but I think it's interesting enough that they reference it.

They actually travel to other planets and dimensions in a few episodes...

True, but don't they just continue punching when they get there? It confused me as a kid because the phrasing MOTU makes me think of beings with massive cosmic power, manipulating planets and whatnot.

 

[YoNoSe]

Not trying to kill the discussion but let's take it easy on the religion talk. That kind of thing gets out of hand real quick around here.

Didn't mean to "IN YO FACE" with my post. I...just...type...slow.

 

[lerath666]

Not trying to kill the discussion but let's take it easy on the religion talk. That kind of thing gets out of hand real quick around here.

I think this about sums up how religion should be handled on this board.

 

[Shropt]

I'm actually enjoying the back-and-forth discussion about He-Man as a "god". Let's just keep the Christian talk out of it. Though the Christ reference in the Christmas special is especially strange if true. Need to Youtube that one.

 

[lerath666]

Personal view: He-man is no more a god than Suuperman, or spiderman.

There is a FINE line, but STILL a line of separation between Being "God-like" or having "god-like" powers, and actually being a GOD.
If i were to equate He-man to a mythological figure, I wouldn't go for Jesus, or Thor, OR Zeus, I'd look More To Heracles or Perseus.
And even then, I'd only do so hesitantly.

He's Less Heracles, and More Conan with a magic Sword of +5 Str.

 

[teemu]

I'm actually enjoying the back-and-forth discussion about He-Man as a "god". Let's just keep the Christian talk out of it. Though the Christ reference in the Christmas special is especially strange if true. Need to Youtube that one.

actually, Jesus Christ is not referenced in the "special" at all

just "Christmas" is....as in doing good and being jolly and all the yearly pagan baloney

 

[teemu]

Not grasping at straws. All of the things I've pointed out are references to "god" from MOTU. I didn't make them up, and they are just off the top of my head. I'm not assigning any significance to them, just speculating.

Since there is no definitive answer (that I know of) from the guys who created all of these different characters and different incarnations of the characters there is really only supposition from both sides as to what "god" means to the characters or what the creators intended.

Thats the thing, nobody has asked these Creators real questions to go into actual deph of where they got their idea's FROM!

The Foundation Book does not go into enough Detail

 

[YoNoSe]

I've always disliked the magical transformation. I don't like the idea of Adam as a totally different person who "hosts" He-Man. I don't think I ever consciously associated it with possession but it gave me the creeps. When I played with the toys as a kid, He-Man was He-Man 24/7 and Adam was in the parts bin.

 

[Kuzeh]

Thats the thing, nobody has asked these Creators real questions to go into actual deph of where they got their idea's FROM!

Well, what are you waiting for...
I bet if any of the MOTu creators told you they never intended He-Man for be a God or God-like you would say they are just pushing the Hollywood agenda...

The Foundation Book does not go into enough Detail

But it does... enough to realize that He-Man is more like a Conan-esque character than a God-like one, that's for sure...

I've always disliked the magical transformation. I don't like the idea of Adam as a totally different person who "hosts" He-Man. I don't think I ever consciously associated it with possession but it gave me the creeps. When I played with the toys as a kid, He-Man was He-Man 24/7 and Adam was in the parts bin.

I don't mind it... though I definitely prefer the first few mini-comics story-line...

 

[lerath666]

I don't see it as something he "hosts".... It's more like Bruce Banner Becoming the Hulk. He Becomes infused with power, and it causes him to transform into something... more?

 

[teemu]

Well, what are you waiting for...
I bet if any of the MOTu creators told you they never intended He-Man for be a God or God-like you would say they are just pushing the Hollywood agenda...


But it does... enough to realize that He-Man is more like a Conan-esque character than a God-like one, that's for sure...




I don't mind it... though I definitely prefer the first few mini-comics story-line...

I would gladly ask them if given the opportunity and if they would actually give me a real answer...

Sure,He-Man ressembles Conan,but it goes much deeper than that

I bet the Creators wouldn't call him an 'alien'

but again,Toyguru already gave me my answer in his toy blogs that he writes

MOTU characters are based on archetypes from mythology, just as comic book characters are. Of course, thematically there will be similarities. But it doesn’t mean we are ripping each other off. If anything, DC, Marvel and MOTU all rip off from mythology of ancient cultures. So if anyone should be suing, I’d call up Homer and the Classic Poets. They have a better case. ;-)

 

[lerath666]

I would gladly ask them if given the opportunity and if they would actually give me a real answer...

Sure,He-Man ressembles Conan,but it goes much deeper than that

I bet the Creators wouldn't call him an 'alien'

Why not? he Technically is, and the prescient for it was set with the goofy as hell Live action film. Hell, EVEN on Eternia, he's 1/2 alien on his mother's side.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

I don't see it as something he "hosts".... It's more like Bruce Banner Becoming the Hulk. He Becomes infused with power, and it causes him to transform into something... more?

I agree, though I saw it more as Captain Marvel as a barbarian.

 

[YoNoSe]

I don't see it as something he "hosts".... It's more like Bruce Banner Becoming the Hulk. He Becomes infused with power, and it causes him to transform into something... more?

I guess there's a distinction for me because He-Man is much more highly developed, and completely different personality. But I guess it's similar in the sense that Hulk has his own agenda (depending on who is writing).

I've always considered Hulk to be an aspect of Banner not a separate intellect.

 

[lerath666]

I agree, though I saw it more as Captain Marvel as a barbarian.

FANTASTIC ANALOGY!


makes me want to go to toys r us and buy the captain marvel/ black adam Two-pack.... i might just go do that now

 

[lerath666]

I guess there's a distinction for me because He-Man is much more highly developed, and completely different personality. But I guess it's similar in the sense that Hulk has his own agenda (depending on who is writing).

I've always considered Hulk to be an aspect of Banner not a separate intellect.

Hulk Kinda is a separate entity.... and at the same time isn't. He's KINDA like Banner's Id, a voice for his darker impulses in his subconsciousness.
Kinda.

I like how it's presented in World war hulk.

 

[Khev]

Yeah,I remember that episode

the problem with that is,Christ has nothing to do with Christmas

The singular definition of Christmas to the world today in a religious sense is the celebration of the birth of Christ. I assumed it would be common sense that I wasn't referring to an antiquated pagan origin that no longer applies to the holiday as it exists today and has no bearing whatsoever to the discussion at hand.

actually, Jesus Christ is not referenced in the "special" at all

just "Christmas" is....as in doing good and being jolly and all the yearly pagan baloney

Incorrect. The kids who meet Orko quite clearly reference what we all know to be the story of the birth of Christ when describing the holiday's meaning to him. Sure the producers of the show used selective editing to not have the kids spell it all out but a kindergartener would know what story they started and finished.

After the show establishes its definition of the meaning of Christmas Skeletor then is overcome by it and turns good. That's not a religious tangent and its not off-topic, its literally what is presented in the show.

 

[teemu]

The singular definition of Christmas to the world today in a religious sense is the celebration of the birth of Christ. I assumed it would be common sense that I wasn't referring to an antiquated pagan origin that no longer applies to the holiday as it exists today and has no bearing whatsoever to the discussion at hand



Incorrect. The kids who meet Orko quite clearly reference what we all know to be the story of the birth of Christ when describing the holiday's meaning to him. Sure the producers of the show used selective editing to not have the kids spell it all out but a kindergartener would know what story they started and finished.

After the show establishes its definition of the meaning of Christmas Skeletor then is overcome by it and turns good. That's not a religious tangent and its not off-topic, its literally what is presented in the show.

If thats the case,then why do Atheists celebrate Christmas? Nothing has changed as far as the origin pagan holiday that is Christmas.You can pretend it means something else all you want,but to the pagans it means something very different.Besides,America has completely turned its ways to pagan culture and popculture is a prime example..

Sorry,I didn't hear Orko say 'Jesus Christ' on the special...so the reference could be anything to anyone interpreting it how they see fit to their own needs