Dark Shadows by Tim Burton: dear God.....

[Timinator]

If Ledger were alive any of the above would've won, except maybe Downey.

I gotta disagree on this one. Lazarus is brilliant! That guy will do ANYTHING to get into character!

 

[CelticPredator]

Maybe. But we'll never know.

 

[IrishJedi]

Oh, don't get me wrong... Downey gets my vote, too. I just don't see Hollywood having the balls to give an Oscar for that character. Hell, I'm still surprised he was nominated.

 

[Timinator]

I'm still waiting on the sequel with Cruise in the lead!




Oh yeah...
Depp's makeup SUCKS! (Keeping things on track).

 

[jonny88]

Hate to break it to you but a majority, more than half of the interpretations of the Joker lack make up or face paint. The colors are permanent i.e. his body and face is completely white, his lips are red and his hair green. Be it a chemical dip that leaves this appearance permanent or a skin disorder this is how it has been for 90% or more of the movies, cartoons, comics etc.

Yes l know, trust me l have been watching Batman and everything since l was a kid, l should of worded it different when l described his face, l always have refered to his face as the make up look, when the only make up he actually wore wore was skin tone make up to cover the joker look.

What l like about the new joker is they took a different direction and it was make up, l like the look of it smeared all over instead of the clean face look that all the other jokers that have been portrayed, l like the fact he is just crazy instead of being made that way from the chemical bath.

 

[Deak Starkiller]

You're the second person to confirm Nam is a troll today.

I wouldn't say NAM is a troll, he's just blunt with his opinion(s). I can respect that, do I feel the same way about the Ledger Joker, no. I think NAM is talking out of his ass, but that's fine. People have to stop taking things so literal/personally on here. I think NAM (and I could be wrong here) is more soured on the retarded fandom that comes from and through the unabashed love of TDK. Which is kind of annoying in it's own right, coupled that with HotToys retards and you have a recipe for noobs & annoyances the likes of only former die-hard Star Wars fans have seen. And this Madonna pale faced gimmick has run it's course. Alice in Wonderland sucked and looked super fake.

 

[DiFabio]

^^^

This guy, this guy right here, he gets it.

 

[IrishJedi]

I wouldn't say NAM is a troll, he's just blunt with his opinion(s). I can respect that, do I feel the same way about the Ledger Joker, no. I think NAM is talking out of his ass, but that's fine. People have to stop taking things so literal/personally on here. I think NAM (and I could be wrong here) is more soured on the retarded fandom that comes from and through the unabashed love of TDK. Which is kind of annoying in it's own right, coupled that with HotToys retards and you have a recipe for noobs & annoyances the likes of only former die-hard Star Wars fans have seen. And this Madonna pale faced gimmick has run it's course. Alice in Wonderland sucked and looked super fake.

 

[Maglor]

No. That one is caked on and just plain ass.

Actually, just having watched a few minutes of the dreadful ALICE IN WONDERLAND on TV I noticed that they're using exactly the same base white makeup with dark cheeks for DARK SHADOWS. It's essentially the same exact makeup design, sans the funky hair and eyes of course. How lame.

I gotta agree. I liked Alice In Wonderland, but the Hatter's make-up was weird and doesn't fit what I know about Dark Shadows.

I wouldn't say NAM is a troll, he's just blunt with his opinion(s). I can respect that, do I feel the same way about the Ledger Joker, no. I think NAM is talking out of his ass, but that's fine. People have to stop taking things so literal/personally on here. I think NAM (and I could be wrong here) is more soured on the retarded fandom that comes from and through the unabashed love of TDK. Which is kind of annoying in it's own right, coupled that with HotToys retards and you have a recipe for noobs & annoyances the likes of only former die-hard Star Wars fans have seen.

Agree.

I'm under the impression that NAM likes TDK, and it's the fans that piss him off.

I still say his needling of Heath and his Joker is trollin' though.


Can't post that kind of stuff around the fans without knowing their gonna freak out.






Also, why hasn't this thread been merged yet?

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35192[

 

[thenammagazine]

Can't post that kind of stuff around the fans without knowing their gonna freak out.

I'm not the freak who had the Joker fanboy sploogefest here. It was someone else with claims of greatness who couldn't deal with the reality check. While I liked TDK, I despise the Joker aspect of it now thanks to the Ledger nut hickey leeches who'd give anything to suck the stains out of his dead, soiled chonies. When I look at that role, I see something there that works in Nolan's universe (and only in that universe). I see a good actor who had fun with a great part. Case closed. I don't see God's gift to cinema, I don't see anything original, and I guarangoddamtee I don't see anything Oscar worthy.

Edit: Now to get back on topic, the comparison to Joker has me worried. I didn't like Nolan's and I don't like this. And if this means we get to look forward to a bunch of borderline gay emo fanboys with identity crises latching onto Depp's Barnabas like he's the Jesus ____ing Christ of horror, then that doubles my desire to see this locked in the colon of Hollywood for the rest of eternity.

 

[pixletwin]

I wouldn't say NAM is a troll, he's just blunt with his opinion(s). I can respect that, do I feel the same way about the Ledger Joker, no. I think NAM is talking out of his ass, but that's fine. People have to stop taking things so literal/personally on here. I think NAM (and I could be wrong here) is more soured on the retarded fandom that comes from and through the unabashed love of TDK. Which is kind of annoying in it's own right, coupled that with HotToys retards and you have a recipe for noobs & annoyances the likes of only former die-hard Star Wars fans have seen. And this Madonna pale faced gimmick has run it's course. Alice in Wonderland sucked and looked super fake.

Verily, thou has spoken.

Except for the Alice part. I liked that movie. It was fun. The only TB movie I have seen that I didn't like was PotA.

 

[Maglor]

I'm not the freak who had the Joker fanboy sploogefest here. It was someone else with claims of greatness who couldn't deal with the reality check. While I liked TDK, I despise the Joker aspect of it now thanks to the Ledger nut hickey leeches who'd give anything to suck the stains out of his dead, soiled chonies. When I look at that role, I see something there that works in Nolan's universe (and only in that universe). I see a good actor who had fun with a great part. Case closed. I don't see God's gift to cinema, I don't see anything original, and I guarangoddamtee I don't see anything Oscar worthy.

I really didn't want to get into a whole big thing...

Not exactly sure why people still judge by photos like this. Its out of context.

Look at what happened when the first pics of Heaths Joker when those pics surfaced and look what happened there?

He was just making the point that fans didn't like what they saw when the first pics of Ledger as Joker surfaced, but ended up liking the character/character design, and that the same could be true of Depp as Barnabas [though I'm skeptical]. It's a totally valid point. Even you say "When I look at that role, I see something there that works in Nolan's universe (and only in that universe). I see a good actor who had fun with a great part." Exactly right. And that's despite the fact that the first pictures that surfaced had people worried. So you know exactly what point Rzeznikk was making. His post wasn't about sploogeing on Heath's corpse or whatever.

So I maintain that this post only served the purpose to get a laugh/(for the uninitiated) get folks riled:

We wound up getting a Joker painted up like a beat on, junky whore, too far removed from the source material. Thanks for justifying our concern.

That said, I thought it was funny.


Taking a serious look at the thought behind your post, yes, the Joker in Nolan's universe was far removed from the source material - but it worked. And yes, Depp's Barnabas could be far removed from the source material, but that in itself doesn't mean it has to suck.





I just made one of the 'why we hate Maglor' posts didn't I?

 

[Maglor]

Edit: Now to get back on topic, the comparison to Joker has me worried. I didn't like Nolan's and I don't like this. And if this means we get to look forward to a bunch of borderline gay emo fanboys with identity crises latching onto Depp's Barnabas like he's the Jesus ____ing Christ of horror, then that doubles my desire to see this locked in the colon of Hollywood for the rest of eternity.

I agree about the Jesus Christ of horror thing, but I'm confused. So you didn't like Nolan's Joker? I don't mean the fans, I mean the character.

When I look at that role, I see something there that works in Nolan's universe (and only in that universe). I see a good actor who had fun with a great part.

Except for the Alice part. I liked that movie. It was fun. The only TB movie I have seen that I didn't like was PotA.

QFT.

 

[Rzeznikk]

I really didn't want to get into a whole big thing...





He was just making the point that fans didn't like what they saw when the first pics of Ledger as Joker surfaced, but ended up liking the character/character design, and that the same could be true of Depp as Barnabas [though I'm skeptical]. It's a totally valid point. Even you say "When I look at that role, I see something there that works in Nolan's universe (and only in that universe). I see a good actor who had fun with a great part." Exactly right. And that's despite the fact that the first pictures that surfaced had people worried. So you know exactly what point Rzeznikk was making. His post wasn't about sploogeing on Heath's corpse or whatever.So I maintain that this post only served the purpose to get a laugh/(for the uninitiated) get folks riled:



That said, I thought it was funny.


Taking a serious look at the thought behind your post, yes, the Joker in Nolan's universe was far removed from the source material - but it worked. And yes, Depp's Barnabas could be far removed from the source material, but that in itself doesn't mean it has to suck.





I just made one of the 'why we hate Maglor' posts didn't I?

Exactly. I just ignore NAM now. Its easier. I dont even dignify his comments with a response. No point talking to a brick wall.

Look at all those pics from the upcoming Avengers film. People better start freaking out about Cap and Thor fighting all those men dressed in Blue suits!

 

[thenammagazine]

He was just making the point that fans didn't like what they saw when the first pics of Ledger as Joker surfaced, but ended up liking the character/character design, and that the same could be true of Depp as Barnabas [though I'm skeptical]. It's a totally valid point. Even you say "When I look at that role, I see something there that works in Nolan's universe (and only in that universe). I see a good actor who had fun with a great part." Exactly right. And that's despite the fact that the first pictures that surfaced had people worried. So you know exactly what point Rzeznikk was making. His post wasn't about sploogeing on Heath's corpse or whatever.

You completely took that out of context. The part of the Joker is a great part to play. There's no denying Heath's a good actor. However, while I think he pulled off an adequate villain in Nolan's universe, I don't like Ledger's Joker. I saw it as, "WOW! We're trying too hard, people!" Fundamentally, it's near identical in extremes to Carey's Riddler whom I also did not like. Both roles were overacted to the point of being clichés.

And wrong. Rzeznikk's post was a sploogefest at it's very heart, assuming that we all think and agree that Ledger's Joker looked great and wound up being great.

 

[Rzeznikk]

You completely took that out of context. The part of the Joker is a great part to play. There's no denying Heath's a good actor. However, while I think he pulled off an adequate villain in Nolan's universe, I don't like Ledger's Joker. I saw it as, "WOW! We're trying too hard, people!" Fundamentally, it's near identical in extremes to Carey's Riddler whom I also did not like. Both roles were overacted to the point of being clichés.

And wrong. Rzeznikk's post was a sploogefest at it's very heart, assuming that we all think and agree that Ledger's Joker looked great and wound up being great.

It was no "sploogefest". Im a Depp fan boy, not a Ledger one. Good try though And I would say 9 out of 10 people would agree with me over Heaths performance as the Joker. You are in the minority and thats fact.

 

[Rzeznikk]

I guess it would be better to call it a sploogefest if I said that "Remember the first leaked images of Depp as Sweeney Todd came out and look what happened."

 

[thenammagazine]

Not really. You'd still be wrong.

But I thought you felt it unnecessary to respond to my posts and wouldn't "dignify" them with a response. Clearly that was just as inaccurate as your comparison to Ledger's Joker.

 

[Maglor]

You completely took that out of context. The part of the Joker is a great part to play. There's no denying Heath's a good actor. However, while I think he pulled off an adequate villain in Nolan's universe, I don't like Ledger's Joker. I saw it as, "WOW! We're trying too hard, people!" Fundamentally, it's near identical in extremes to Carey's Riddler whom I also did not like. Both roles were overacted to the point of being clichés.

I guess I was focusing more on the "I see something there that works in Nolan's universe" part. I too think Heath's Joker worked in Nolan's universe.


Also, isn't calling him a "good actor" and then saying the role was "overacted" a bit...






...






...Oxymoronic?

 

[thenammagazine]

Also, isn't calling him a "good actor" and then saying the role was "overacted" a bit...
...
...Oxymoronic?

Not really. If Joker had been Ledger's only body of work, I wouldn't consider him a good actor. Thankfully, it's not. But to further that point, didn't Man On the Moon and The Truman Show prove Jim Carey, notorious for his overacting, is actually a good actor himself?