The Willow Polystone Statue

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Those unhappy with the proposed Buffy reboot and yet OK with this statue should reflect that both situations are made possible by Joss' lack of ultimate control over the property.

I firmly believe this maquette design would never get approval from Joss Whedon himself.
 

absolutely true, especially for people that think "dancing with the stars" or "american idol" are quality entertainment. we have begun to accept so much bad programming that we essentially have nothing good left to compare it to.

or, maybe it is just me beginning to grasp that there will be no new LOST season starting this month... :gah:
 
absolutely true, especially for people that think "dancing with the stars" or "american idol" are quality entertainment. we have begun to accept so much bad programming that we essentially have nothing good left to compare it to.

or, maybe it is just me beginning to grasp that there will be no new LOST season starting this month... :gah:

Because that was such a high quality show. :rolleyes:

:D
 
I'm sure Joss nor Alyson would have a problem with this statue at all. Alyson took all those sexy pictures to try and change her image and sexuality has always been an important part of the power of the female that Joss' shows are all about.
 
I thought the bar was 100. It used to explicitly state that, so I wonder if it may sometimes be higher in an effort to make it look like a piece is selling out.

In any case how many exclusives under US$300 remain so widely available a month later? Fail.

Well I guess Joss Whedon wasn't smart enough to get that in his contract.

Hadn't checked this thread in a while...

Nothing shows your 'respect' for Buffy like insulting Joss Whedon based on an ignorant premise. Telling, that you are among this maquette's defenders.

If you had a bloody clue you would realise that the issue goes back to the movie and the Kuzuis holding the licence. Screen writers almost never have any rights unless they are director or producer. The Kuzuis are responsible if any remake goes forward and are likely the people authorising inappropriate designs like this maquette.
 
absolutely true, especially for people that think "dancing with the stars" or "american idol" are quality entertainment. we have begun to accept so much bad programming that we essentially have nothing good left to compare it to.

or, maybe it is just me beginning to grasp that there will be no new LOST season starting this month... :gah:

I'm pretty damn happy with Dexter, Breaking Bad, Fringe and Boardwalk Empire myself. I haven't watched one full episode of the other shows you mentioned except Lost I am finishing up on DVD now... :gah:
 
I'm sure Joss nor Alyson would have a problem with this statue at all. Alyson took all those sexy pictures to try and change her image and sexuality has always been an important part of the power of the female that Joss' shows are all about.

Just because Alyson Hannigan did something as a professional actress does not mean she would feel it was appropriate for a given character she played.

More importantly, can you seriously tell me Joss would recognise in this Willow piece the character he created? Willow is not just another teenage girl trying to be sexy in a conventional manner, like Buffy or Cordelia. That is what made her character special. This piece disrespects that difference.

This piece is as accurate as doing Xander or Oz as muscle-bound jocks.
 
I'm pretty damn happy with Dexter, Breaking Bad, Fringe and Boardwalk Empire myself. I haven't watched one full episode of the other shows you mentioned except Lost I am finishing up on DVD now... :gah:

ok, i should clarify my previous statement. i also watch breaking bad, dexter, and others on the premium or non-major network channels and enjoy them. however, even with all the other channel and network choices available on tv, the large majority of people still choose and/or only have access to the prime time programming on abc, nbc, cbs and fox.

you are correct, however, that quality programming can still be found on tv if some effort is made to find it (thankfully!).
 
I thought the bar was 100. It used to explicitly state that, so I wonder if it may sometimes be higher in an effort to make it look like a piece is selling out.

In any case how many exclusives under US$300 remain so widely available a month later? Fail.



Hadn't checked this thread in a while...

Nothing shows your 'respect' for Buffy like insulting Joss Whedon based on an ignorant premise. Telling, that you are among this maquette's defenders.

If you had a bloody clue you would realise that the issue goes back to the movie and the Kuzuis holding the licence. Screen writers almost never have any rights unless they are director or producer. The Kuzuis are responsible if any remake goes forward and are likely the people authorising inappropriate designs like this maquette.

Here we go. Dude you need to relax. It is always possible to get those rights you just need to want them enough. Unless you were their during the negotiations, who knows. It is not ignorant to say Joss wasn't smart enough to bring that up in topic. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. All I am saying that is something people should always be thinking about. Just because it is the norm to not be able to negotiated for those rights, doesn't mean it isn't possible. He could have always renegotiated later as he and the show got more popular.
 
Just because Alyson Hannigan did something as a professional actress does not mean she would feel it was appropriate for a given character she played.

More importantly, can you seriously tell me Joss would recognise in this Willow piece the character he created? Willow is not just another teenage girl trying to be sexy in a conventional manner, like Buffy or Cordelia. That is what made her character special. This piece disrespects that difference.

This piece is as accurate as doing Xander or Oz as muscle-bound jocks.

And whose to say Alyson or Joss wouldn't see it "fit" of the Willow name? We'll probably never know, so that's becoming a moot point.

I understand you don't like the piece. I respect that. If you don't see Willow, that's fine, but I do. I'm one of the biggest Buffy fans out there, still to this day, and I'm not afraid to "toot my own horn." The piece doesn't offend me in the slightest, nor do I see why it's atrociously inappropriate as some are trying to make this out to be. I understand and respect some of the opposition expressed about this piece, but not to the extent that I've read in this thread recently. Some of these comments (ie. labeling this as a "fail") are pushing the boundaries of disrespectful and starting to offend even me...and that's sad because that's hard to do. I've said it time and time again. If you don't like this piece, express yourself on sideshowtoy.com. They have a comments section for this piece. If you read the comments though, not many people are complaining. In fact, very few have. If people want change, then I suggest posting these opinions there as well and hopefully, you'll be heard.

There's more to this piece then just a skirt...among many other highlights, there's a base (and it's a pretty big selling point IMO), which despite all my efforts to bring to light, not many of the naysayers care to comment on. Why? Well, I have two theories:

1.) They never saw the episode "Fear, Itself." In which case, they can't comment because they have no idea what I'm talking about and don't appreciate it.

-or-

2.) They can't get over the skirt. But I can understand that. If I focused just on a skirt, that's all I would see too, but thankfully, I don't. I look at the WHOLE piece. And for that, I'm sorry because some people are really missing out here. Sideshow went the "extra mile" for us, their fans. In my eyes, it's the base that really makes this piece stand apart from the others and in many ways is the defining element that makes this Willow.

Willow was a girl who practiced witchcraft, unlike Buffy, Cordelia, etc. etc. In the earlier years, she was innocent and bubbly, yet had that "dark side" to her that always made you think twice. I look at this piece, and I see that. I see Willow, and that's why I bought it and will proudly display it once it arrives. Some people may not, and in that case, show your displeasure by not buying it, rather than labeling it a "fail" and resorting to name-calling, etc. focusing on all that is negative.
 
The piece doesn't offend me in the slightest, nor do I see why it's atrociously inappropriate as some are trying to make this out to be.

I understand and respect some of the opposition expressed about this piece, but not to the extent that I've read in this thread recently. Some of these comments (ie. labeling this as a "fail") are pushing the boundaries of disrespectful and starting to offend even me...and that's sad because that's hard to do.

:monkey2

If this thread has taught me one thing it is that the guys who buy up these 'sexy sexy ladies' have very thin skins and find criticism threatening on a personal level. That is basically the jist of your post, right? That the criticism of this piece offends you and so we should voice our disapproval in a manner that does not subject you to a contrary opinion.

I suppose there is a risk that being offended by my comments might actually make you think outside the heterosexual male norm, as difficult as that apparently is for many guys. I mean is there any line in making Willow sexier that would be too far for you?

This piece is disrespectful precisely because it says that Willow as actually depicted is not worthy and has to run through the mill of adolescent male fantasies to be worthy of Sideshow's interest these days.

There's more to this piece then just a skirt...among many other highlights, there's a base (and it's a pretty big selling point IMO), which despite all my efforts to bring to light, not many of the naysayers care to comment on.

And the inflated breasts and the midriff-baring shirt and the coquettish pose.

In all your lengthy complaint about people like me complaining you forgot to actually justify how you "see" Willow in this piece. Even Buffygirl who bought the piece for whatever compulsive reason admitted "I do agree with [her] that it's not Willow and that they went a bit too far." So I have not seen a single female fan here actually say they are OK with this design. Since this piece has not even sold out a 250 piece exclusive three weeks later, a lot of male fans are obviously less than thrilled as well.

But please Mr. Superfan, cite Willow behaving in the manner depicted. You cannot or you would have done so in your lengthy post, instead of babbling about how critics are neglecting the glory that is the base.
 
It's been at QTY 40-50 for over two weeks now. I'm convinced it would've sold out if it had been more accurate to the character. 250 is a tiny number of the overall Willow fans. $225 for this statue is a lot, though. I'd be willing to overlook what I see are its flaws if it were $150. I think that's more reasonable, plus I wouldn't be reluctant to repaint it, possibly re-sculpt it (with Milliput), and fix some of its flaws. I think there's a good shot of the regular going on clearance or on eBay for mega-cheap and if so, that might be my route.

Chap, thanks for explaining why you like it. I'm curious as to how much the 200 people who preordered it really like it. Do they really love it, do they like it, or are they settling because this is likely the only serious Willow collectible left to hope for? Are they buying it so that the line continues?

Two years ago the last might have been a factor for me but today, frankly I don't care enough that a company sees enough profit in a line to complete it properly. Why should I subsidize a line by buying a poor product hoping the next will be a good one? Sideshow's recent scorecard is horrible in that respect. They are making it very easy to not be a completist with any of their lines.

As to your points:

The base looks okay. But don't you think it's ironic that in the Fear Itself episode, Willow is dressed as Joan of Arc, head to toe in chain mail, and not in a tight fitting sweater with nothing but a push up bra underneath, a leather mini-skirt, and bare legs?

There are other problems, such as the I-gotta-pee-but-look-at-my-boobs-first! pose. The pose and the statuesque (literal but figurative) physique are not fixable with paint so are serious flaws in my book. So, it's not just the skirt. It's the whole outfit, the pose, the body. All problems from my perspective as a Willow fan.

On the other hand, Trevor's headsculpt is pretty nice. Too much mascara on the prototype and who know what cheap Chinese warehouse labor will do to it, but fixable in the right hands unless something goes wrong with the mold.

Overall, I wouldn't declare the statue a fail yet, but IMO the prototype is very flawed with way too much sexy spin on the character.

My rating of the Prototype: 150/225.
 
I was furiously typing as SP beat me to a reply that I pretty much agree with. I hope we can keep the debate civil. As is, it's a reflection about how really polarizing this statue is that either side is just becoming more retrenched. Frankly, if you love it as is, you won't see what I see as its flaws. That's becoming very clear (yeah, I know I can be dense sometimes but beat me over the head with a hammer and eventually I'll get brain damage and stop).

I see sexy 3rd season Willow and I go "huh?" More than that, as a dedicated Willow fan, I find it distasteful. The exact thing some people like about this statue are what I really hate about it. I am going to deliberately try to make that the last thing I say about it because I don't think I can be any plainer and I'm as tired as saying it as I'm sure its fans are tired of hearing it.

OTOH, I really am still curious as to those who are at neither extreme, what caused you to preorder it? I suspect it's because of some degree of "supporting the line" or brand loyalty, either to Buffy or to Sideshow or both.

Well, off to do something actually productive.
 
It's been at QTY 40-50 for over two weeks now. I'm convinced it would've sold out if it had been more accurate to the character. 250 is a tiny number of the overall Willow fans. $225 for this statue is a lot, though. I'd be willing to overlook what I see are its flaws if it were $150. I think that's more reasonable, plus I wouldn't be reluctant to repaint it, possibly re-sculpt it (with Milliput), and fix some of its flaws. I think there's a good shot of the regular going on clearance or on eBay for mega-cheap and if so, that might be my route.

Chap, thanks for explaining why you like it. I'm curious as to how much the 200 people who preordered it really like it. Do they really love it, do they like it, or are they settling because this is likely the only serious Willow collectible left to hope for? Are they buying it so that the line continues?

Two years ago the last might have been a factor for me but today, frankly I don't care enough that a company sees enough profit in a line to complete it properly. Why should I subsidize a line by buying a poor product hoping the next will be a good one? Sideshow's recent scorecard is horrible in that respect. They are making it very easy to not be a completist with any of their lines.

As to your points:

The base looks okay. But don't you think it's ironic that in the Fear Itself episode, Willow is dressed as Joan of Arc, head to toe in chain mail, and not in a tight fitting sweater with nothing but a push up bra underneath, a leather mini-skirt, and bare legs?

There are other problems, such as the I-gotta-pee-but-look-at-my-boobs-first! pose. The pose and the statuesque (literal but figurative) physique are not fixable with paint so are serious flaws in my book. So, it's not just the skirt. It's the whole outfit, the pose, the body. All problems from my perspective as a Willow fan.

On the other hand, Trevor's headsculpt is pretty nice. Too much mascara on the prototype and who know what cheap Chinese warehouse labor will do to it, but fixable in the right hands unless something goes wrong with the mold.

Overall, I wouldn't declare the statue a fail yet, but IMO the prototype is very flawed with way too much sexy spin on the character.

My rating of the Prototype: 150/225.

It would have sold probably if there was no NRD.
 
This thread cracks me up. I love my true freaks friends, but come on guys, can't you see that Star Puffs is doing this on purpose to set you off? And no matter what he/she responds with, I will not reply or get angry, etc. Because it's all on purpose. Star Puffs is like a guy named Alister I knew. All he wanted to do was post on the buffy boards and get people riled up. Pretty sure he was banned several times. Just let he/she talk to themselves in here, and let us freaks get back to life.
 
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