Spidey's New Costume

[FLOSI]

I love the way Ditko, Romita, Kane, Adru.... eh, you know what I'm going at. Those older ASM comics are just gorgeous. Works of art.

 

[occulum]

I like Spidey's old costume:

WHile I do love the classic Romita Spiderman, McFarlane did the best Spidey ever IMO ....



.... worst? .... Bagley ....

 

[karamazov80]

Looks like something they would have done circa 1992.

 

[cokebabies]

.... worst? .... Bagley ....

Couldn't disagree more. I'm sure it's mostly due to when I really got into Spidey, but to me, Bagley is one of the defining artists for him.

 

[occulum]

Couldn't disagree more. I'm sure it's mostly due to when I really got into Spidey, but to me, Bagley is one of the defining artists for him.

How dare you disagree with me and bring more than a childish rant to the table on this board about how McFarlane sux and Im an idiot!..

... that being said, you have a very valid point. Whoever is the artist on a character at the point you fall in love with the title as a child will more then likely become the gospel to you as a fan

 

[cokebabies]

How dare you disagree with me and bring more than a childish rant to the table on this board about how McFarlane sux and Im an idiot!..

... that being said, you have a very valid point. Whoever is the artist on a character at the point you fall in love with the title as a child will more then likely become the gospel to you as a fan

I understand McFarlane's influence on that time period, but I never actually liked him. I didn't dislike his Spidey too much (didn't love it though), but I absolutely hated the way he drew people.

And just for completion's sake, l used to love Larsen's Spidey work, but I don't think that's held up very well.

 

[occulum]

and the irony here is how much his Peter Parker looked like your avatar

 

[automaton]

I like Spidey's old costume:

i love this piece by Mcfarlane. i once saw it for sale in a Canadian comic book store... i regret not buying it monthly (it was in the early around 1994 and only $500).

 

[BatFanatic]

I can "appreciate" the amount of work & time put into the Hyper-Unrealistic vision of the McFarlane's.
BUT I prefer the clean Illustration style of the aforementioned: Ditko, Romita Sr, Kane, Andru.

Therefore I'm with BB and would love to see a Classic Spidey immortalized by SS in the next few years.

 

[FLOSI]

Exactly. It was the way McFarlane drew Spidey, just the character not the entire comic, that was really wonderful. There was a sense of action and movement in all of the web-slinging panels that's never been matched. Still, the rest was really rather mediocre...

When Bagley took over for Eric Larson on ASM he wasn't all that great. I think he came over from Guardians of the Galaxy at the time, wait, it was New Warriors, not GotG. Anyway, years later his work on Ultimate Spider-Man was very, very good. Over time he's become an exceptional penciler.

 

[FLOSI]

BTW, it's cool to see a conversation about Spidey here. As my favorite Comic character I've always felt he doesn't get the love he deserves here amongst the freaks.

Maybe that's also because I don't quite get all the love the Hulk gets.

 

[cokebabies]

and the irony here is how much his Peter Parker looked like your avatar

Peter could never hope to have a quiff as impressive as Morrissey's. I always thought McF's Peter hair looked a lot more 70's/feathered/etc than anything.

But his hair is the least of my problems... look at his weird Cabbage Patch Kid nose, Mary Jane's PCP eyes, and her twenty four pounds of hair.

Although nothing is as bad as Larsen's MJ hair, which came down to about her calves.

edit: I do agree that Bagley's initial work on ASM wasn't too, uh, spectacular, but I thought he grew into it very well. His work on USM was so good that I thought it might make me think Bagley's ASM work was better than it really was. But then I'll read one of the ASM TPBs from Bagley's era, and be impressed again.

But recently re-reading the ASM Omnibus does make you appreciate the simplicity of its artwork.

 

[karamazov80]

I like McFarlane's Spidey pretty well, but I agree that his "human" faces are just pitiful. Ugh. Never cared much for Bagley or Erik Larson when I was younger. I wish Mike Zeck would've had a nice Spidey run. He's the man. Or Alan Davis. Or 80s John Byrne.

Also, Spidey > Hulk

 

[FLOSI]

Spidey>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hulk

 

[automaton]

keep in mind... Mcfarlane not only breathed new life into Spidey, but in turn, into the comic book industry. it is easy to look back now and pass judgement, but to truly understand, one has to consider the timing...

 

[occulum]

McFarlane would be the first to tell you he didnt draw faces very good. He's mentioned more than once he always left faces for last because he struggled with them.

 

[karamazov80]

That may be true, but what kind of life did he breathe into the industry when it led to Image Comics, Liefeld's rise to infamy, the ridiculous comic investment speculation of the decade, and ultimately, a huge backlash against everything that comics were or stood for, which paved the way for Marvel filing bankruptcy?

I don't think the industry really recovered from that until the onset of the recent boom of comic movies, if it has recovered at all.

Re: faces. I guess faces were to McFarlane as feet were to Liefeld.

 

[occulum]

Image Comics was created as a result of how Marvel treated it's artists. The only way for them to create their own original chracters and make more than pennies on the dollar for something soley theirs was to split from the vice-grip of the big 2. I think one of the best things to ever happen to the comic world was give the big middle finger to the over-ego'd, over-powered Marvel at the time and give them a reality check as to how important their talent pool was to the companies success.

Now how each creator acted once out on their own speaks for their own personal character. McFarlane was one of the few of the original group who religiously put out book on time consistently.

As far as the over-printing goes. Thats the collectors faults for buying them and continuing to support the overprinting. i did it myself. Yes, I bought 15 copies of X-Force #1. I was one of those idiots caught up in the collecting hype.

 

[FLOSI]

Marvel brought a lot of it on themselves though. Comics driven by artists, not story. Cover gimmicks, large cross overs, over-hyped issue 1's and first appearances, etc. The money was there and they went for it. Hell, we went for it too.

I remember I was really loving Ghost Rider vol2, the Danny Ketch version. The book became more and more popular then it was suddenly crossed over with three new books creating it's own horror/super-hero subcategory amongst the marvel lexicon at the time. Ghost Rider went from a cool little title to being unreadable. I think all the issues came "bagged" which also sucked ass since I was deathly afraid of opening them up... Man, I blew a lot of cash on that crap.

 

[FLOSI]

Image Comics was created as a result of how Marvel treated it's artists. The only way for them to create their own original chracters and make more than pennies on the dollar for something soley theirs was to split from the vice-grip of the big 2. I think one of the best things to ever happen to the comic world was give the big middle finger to the over-ego'd, over-powered Marvel at the time and give them a reality check as to how important their talent pool was to the companies success.

Now how each creator acted once out on their own speaks for their own personal character. McFarlane was one of the few of the original group who religiously put out book on time consistently.

As far as the over-printing goes. Thats the collectors faults for buying them and continuing to support the overprinting. i did it myself. Yes, I bought 15 copies of X-Force #1. I was one of those idiots caught up in the collecting hype.

Had to get copies with each of the various insert cards....

I remember buying a crap load of Robin II #1 comics, that had little holograms on them.