The only Star Wars that's on the same level as Andor for me now is Empire and Rogue One.
It makes the PT, ST and all other Disney stuff look childish by comparison.
It makes the PT, ST and all other Disney stuff look childish by comparison.
Having grown up with SW being absent on screen for 16 years, re-watching these Andor episodes is all I'll need until the second season. That's more than enough Disney+ SW for my personal canon; gotta be at least 8 to 10 hours there. And all of it elevating the OT! The other shows do the opposite for me by ratcheting up the cartoonishness (and outright stupidity at times). And I just can't reconcile Andor as existing in the same reality with those other stories, so I don't need 'em at all.
My version of SW works just fine without a Boba Fett who recruits a scooter gang, gets flummoxed by a locked door, opts to ride a Rancor as his best battle plan, and has a life-altering epiphany from snorting a lizard.
My SW doesn't work as well with an Obi-Wan Kenobi who plays speedball with giant boulders yet fancies himself useless in the struggle against the Empire unless he's hidden away to watch over a boy savior who won't be able to do anything remotely similar to that for decades.
My Darth Vader isn't a credible threat if he's some halfwit who loses his composure at the drop of a hat and acts more like a Jason Voorhies wannabe than a cerebral figure with some emotional control. And he doesn't rip starships down from the sky one day, only to just forget how powerful he is years later for some unknown reason.
The Force as I prefer it isn't mastered by babies who haven't yet learned to speak, to the point of lifting charging rhinos and doing "Force healing." And there's also no series of time-traveling portals housed in mystical caves, nor "spirit animals," nor hyperspace-capable whales, or whatever other Filoniisms will be brought over into Ahsoka and/or other Rebels live-action shows that get made.
The Andor finale was more rewarding than I hoped for, and made the whole season even better as a result. The show may not be for every fan, but it certainly is for me. That other stuff probably works better for some, and that's fine. There's something for everyone now. And for that, I genuinely thank Tony Gilroy and his crew. They provided an alternative that can be embraced by a portion of the audience woefully underserved by the rest.
My ultimate satisfaction from this show is that it seemed to understand that human drama elements of preserving freedom by overcoming tyranny, helping family members find their path to virtue, and forging one's own destiny in life are all universally relatable and compelling parts of SW which can be the focus (and without retreading any old ground either). Superficial spectacle makes for short-lived fads, but it's substance that lasts. Andor will last. Couldn't be more proud as a SW fan, or more grateful. What an incredible payoff to such finely-constructed storytelling throughout! Outstanding on every level that matters.
Epic post by ajp (as usual) and I agree for the most part BUT……
I’m not willing to throw out Mando S1/S2 which was already miles better than the PT/ST.
Yes Andor is everything ajp and others have said and I love every second of it for those exact reasons but i’m just not ready to throw out Mando S1/S2 because of Andor’s new mature tone therefore I am still looking forward to Mando S3 to continue providing the swashbuckling aspects of SW that I enjoy BUT it better be Mando quality swashbuckling and not BOBF quality god that show was embarrassing lol
So the lesson here is that ajp, khev and all of us Andor supporters weep for a-dev’s lack of vision.
Come lets have a meeting with how we’re going to get a-dev onboard with us visionaries.
If it worked for Sass it can work on a-dev…
Either that or see Syril leaning in for a kiss only for Dedra to knee him in the balls and leave him writhing in pain on the ground, then pause while walking away and spit out with disgust that "I suppose I should thank you for saving my life" line lol...Was anyone else dying to see Dedra and Syril start full on making out in the storeroom for like...a good solid 10 minutes? Or was that just me?
Maybe more likeMy season 2 prediction:
Spoiler:
Cassian will use B2EMO as the personality basis for reprograming the imperial KX droid that becomes K2-SO. In a couple years everyone will be losing their mind that K2 was right in front of us in S1 all along.
Spoiler:he uses B2EMO's memories of Maarva as the personality basis. K2 had a lot of the same snark and wry sense of humor, traits we've not seen in B2EMO.
I grew up watching war movies with my father so maybe that's one of the things I like about Andor. I like the fact that no Jedi or lightsabers have shown up. Makes the fighting and uprising more impactful since these are everyday people picking up the fight. I like that Star Wars can have different tones and not always end up on Tattooine or mention the Skywalkers.I felt the show was too much of a departure in tone from even the more serious movies like Empire and Rogue One - and therefore I have trouble reconciling it with anything that came before.
It certainly wasn't an embarrassment like so much of the PT, the ST, BOBF and Obi-Wan but for different reasons I equally would not be in a hurry to watch it again. That's just me.
...or they finally realized the target audience isn't on Disney+ and they wanted this show to actually get some viewsAndor goes network tonight on ABC.
Guess Disney is getting its mileage out of it. First time for a Disney streaming show to network, isn't it? Must have been the deal with Gilroy.
LOLEpic post by ajp (as usual) and I agree for the most part BUT……
I’m not willing to throw out Mando S1/S2 which was already miles better than the PT/ST.
Yes Andor is everything ajp and others have said and I love every second of it for those exact reasons but i’m just not ready to throw out Mando S1/S2 because of Andor’s new mature tone therefore I am still looking forward to Mando S3 to continue providing the swashbuckling aspects of SW that I enjoy BUT it better be Mando quality swashbuckling and not BOBF quality god that show was embarrassing lol
So the lesson here is that ajp, khev and all of us Andor supporters weep for a-dev’s lack of vision.
Come lets have a meeting with how we’re going to get a-dev onboard with us visionaries.
If it worked for Sass it can work on a-dev…
Star Wars can be both and fans can enjoy which parts they like.
There's room for both in my little personal Star Wars pocket galaxy.
No room for the PT, ST, BoBF or Kenobi though.
I know other fans love them, we all have our own personal taste, they're just not for me.
Fair enough, although I myself didn't specify that I needed Jedi/Sith, lightsabers and Skywalkers in this.I grew up watching war movies with my father so maybe that's one of the things I like about Andor. I like the fact that no Jedi or lightsabers have shown up. Makes the fighting and uprising more impactful since these are everyday people picking up the fight. I like that Star Wars can have different tones and not always end up on Tattooine or mention the Skywalkers.
I'm going to go as far as to say that The Force, the Jedi and the Sith are the weakest parts of Star Wars. Especially the way they're portrayed these days. Super heroes with super powers.Fair enough, although I myself didn't specify that I needed Jedi/Sith, lightsabers and Skywalkers in this.
With respect to Rogue One I don't follow, as that leads off with Andor killing his informant rather than letting him be captured. He's also tasked with assassinating Galen Erso, similar to how Vel and Cinta are tasked with eliminating him in this show. It's quite consistent with RO in terms of tone, the difference being Andor with 24 episodes can go much deeper into the true cost of a rebellion and the sacrifices that have to be made.I felt the show was too much of a departure in tone from even the more serious movies like Empire and Rogue One - and therefore I have trouble reconciling it with anything that came before.
It certainly wasn't an embarrassment like so much of the PT, the ST, BOBF and Obi-Wan but for different reasons I equally would not be in a hurry to watch it again. That's just me.
Mon Mothma setting her own husband up to take the fall is a move I never expected from her, but it shows that Luthen is getting in her head; everyone needs to make sacrifices for the cause.
True, but at least she hasn't shifted the ISB's eye onto her daughter. I don't think Perrin will be around for much longer.And her daughter.
Well...the ISB doesn't care if he's a problem gambler, they only care about weird banking moves, so he's a bold but convenient excuse. And kind of a **** so really, who can blame her?Mon Mothma setting her own husband up to take the fall is a move I never expected from her, but it shows that Luthen is getting in her head; everyone needs to make sacrifices for the cause.
That's been softened a bit since they illustrated her daughter reaching for a conservative Chandrilan (sp?) identity by attaching herself to old ways her own parents either ignored or eschewed ... a rebellion by a spoiled rich girl trying to make her progressive mom mad. She's not being forced but I guess it's still a cold set-up by a calculating mom.And her daughter.
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