QMX Star Trek General discussion thread

[Koloth]

I think Kumik works. I've seen some Rand figures on Kumik in the Barbie uniform.

it's no use if the dress is not properly cut and sewn. I wouldn't use a non repainted Uhura Barbie head nor the Barbie body being ridiculously thin, and much too tall for the petite and somewhat curvey Uhura.

I'll wait for a Nanjin made or authorized Uhura (if that ever happens). IMHO any Uhura composite figure would harm the overall good looking ensemble of Kirk, Spock and McCoy (which I have, waiting for Scotty).

I am convinced that one day we'll have a properly made Uhura!!!

 

[Stryker2011]

While I have no intention of getting into this argument to a massive degree — I respectfully disagree that Trek has always been “super liberal”. And liberalism of the 60s is a far cry from the Marxist-Communist Liberalism that took over the public education system in this country over 40 years ago, systematically brain-washed 2 or more generations of people, and permeating Hollywood today. So, yes, there is a way to take a certain level of socio-politics too far in today’s Trek, and every other form of entertainment, that isn’t going to appeal to all fans of Trek from even 20 years ago. Not everyone is Far Left, nor Far Right — many (I’d argue most) are in the Middle, and we wish to be entertained (perhaps even subtly “taught”, without ham-fisted lecturing). Today’s Hollywood appears more inclined to cater to a group that comprises less than 1% of the population, kiss the asses of the loudest pain-in-the-ass groups, and offend a large section of the population (Men — most notably White Men), all while claiming to be inclusive and accepting — as long as you agree with them (the mark of true Fascism).

 

[jal76]

Can you even name one...just one single story thread or plot point that can be cited from any single episode of Star Trek Discovery in two seasons that serves as an example of ANY political or cultural agenda being forced on the show?s audience...I?ll wait...I wish people would be honest and just admit that it comes down to who the show?s producers chose to cast in lead roles...then at least an honest and substantive discussion about that could happen...but there is nothing in the scripts that supports any of these opinions...

 

[Pauln6a]

it's no use if the dress is not properly cut and sewn. I wouldn't use a non repainted Uhura Barbie head nor the Barbie body being ridiculously thin, and much too tall for the petite and somewhat curvey Uhura.

I'll wait for a Nanjin made or authorized Uhura (if that ever happens). IMHO any Uhura composite figure would harm the overall good looking ensemble of Kirk, Spock and McCoy (which I have, waiting for Scotty).

I am convinced that one day we'll have a properly made Uhura!!!

She must be one of the more popular choices. I want to get TMP uniforms so it will get them sized for whatever body we end up with either way. A repaint and rehair for Barbie is my fall back position.

 

[NCC-1701 no bloody ABCorD]

While I have no intention of getting into this argument to a massive degree ? I respectfully disagree that Trek has always been ?super liberal?. And liberalism of the 60s is a far cry from the Marxist-Communist Liberalism that took over the public education system in this country over 40 years ago, systematically brain-washed 2 or more generations of people, and permeating Hollywood today. So, yes, there is a way to take a certain level of socio-politics too far in today?s Trek, and every other form of entertainment, that isn?t going to appeal to all fans of Trek from even 20 years ago. Not everyone is Far Left, nor Far Right ? many (I?d argue most) are in the Middle, and we wish to be entertained (perhaps even subtly ?taught?, without ham-fisted lecturing). Today?s Hollywood appears more inclined to cater to a group that comprises less than 1% of the population, kiss the asses of the loudest pain-in-the-ass groups, and offend a large section of the population (Men ? most notably White Men), all while claiming to be inclusive and accepting ? as long as you agree with them (the mark of true Fascism).

Very true. And part of the problem, as can be witnessed in the thread even, is the typical response: “Who, little ol’ me?!?” … “there is nothing in the scripts that supports any of these opinions.”

 

[Scifi67]

While I have no intention of getting into this argument to a massive degree ? I respectfully disagree that Trek has always been ?super liberal?. And liberalism of the 60s is a far cry from the Marxist-Communist Liberalism that took over the public education system in this country over 40 years ago, systematically brain-washed 2 or more generations of people, and permeating Hollywood today. So, yes, there is a way to take a certain level of socio-politics too far in today?s Trek, and every other form of entertainment, that isn?t going to appeal to all fans of Trek from even 20 years ago. Not everyone is Far Left, nor Far Right ? many (I?d argue most) are in the Middle, and we wish to be entertained (perhaps even subtly ?taught?, without ham-fisted lecturing). Today?s Hollywood appears more inclined to cater to a group that comprises less than 1% of the population, kiss the asses of the loudest pain-in-the-ass groups, and offend a large section of the population (Men ? most notably White Men), all while claiming to be inclusive and accepting ? as long as you agree with them (the mark of true Fascism).

Yep!

 

[NCC-1701 no bloody ABCorD]

Can you even name one...just one single story thread or plot point that can be cited from any single episode of Star Trek Discovery in two seasons that serves as an example of ANY political or cultural agenda being forced on the show?s audience...I?ll wait...I wish people would be honest and just admit that it comes down to who the show?s producers chose to cast in lead roles...then at least an honest and substantive discussion about that could happen...but there is nothing in the scripts that supports any of these opinions...

Funny thing is, it’s something about... seeing the forest and the trees. You know the thing......

 

[greatlakes6]

While I have no intention of getting into this argument to a massive degree — I respectfully disagree that Trek has always been “super liberal”. And liberalism of the 60s is a far cry from the Marxist-Communist Liberalism that took over the public education system in this country over 40 years ago, systematically brain-washed 2 or more generations of people, and permeating Hollywood today. So, yes, there is a way to take a certain level of socio-politics too far in today’s Trek, and every other form of entertainment, that isn’t going to appeal to all fans of Trek from even 20 years ago. Not everyone is Far Left, nor Far Right — many (I’d argue most) are in the Middle, and we wish to be entertained (perhaps even subtly “taught”, without ham-fisted lecturing). Today’s Hollywood appears more inclined to cater to a group that comprises less than 1% of the population, kiss the asses of the loudest pain-in-the-ass groups, and offend a large section of the population (Men — most notably White Men), all while claiming to be inclusive and accepting — as long as you agree with them (the mark of true Fascism).

Well said!

 

[gin007]

Everytime the word "woke" is used on this thread, a Disco Klingon gets his wings. But please, continue.

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[Pauln6a]

Everytime the word "woke" is used on this thread, a Disco Klingon gets his wings. But please, continue.

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Lol! Shouldn't that be teeth?

 

[NCC-1701 no bloody ABCorD]

Everytime the word "woke" is used on this thread, a Disco Klingon gets his wings. But please, continue.

Did you know that Klingons are a “marginalized group,” according to woke Trek? It’s true. Much like other “marginalized groups” like the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS.

 

[Pauln6a]

Did you know that Klingons are a ?marginalized group,? according to woke Trek? It?s true. Much like other ?marginalized groups? like the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS.

So all we need is an underground Doomsday device in a cave beneath Afghanistan to make everything right in the world? Or should that be Alt Right? �� That was a terrible finale BTW. Although it might also give us a clue what happened to Praxis. Maybe Baby Groot pushed the wrong button.

I do think everything needs to be put into perspective though. Caucasian males make up less than 5% of world's population. We can excise a lot more out of Trek and still have them massively over- represented. I'm more worried about uneven storytelling than anything else.

 

[Asta]

Did you know that Klingons are a ?marginalized group,? according to woke Trek? It?s true. Much like other ?marginalized groups? like the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS.

Whoops...

 

[gaytrekkie]

Did you know that Klingons are a “marginalized group,” according to woke Trek? It’s true. Much like other “marginalized groups” like the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS.

Okay, guys, I'm out of here. It was a nice group before when we were actually talking about the subject in the thread's title, but this is just too much. Everybody who doesn't feel the need to trash the new shows or to try and push their very un-Trek-like views of the world on others, I hope you'll have a great time. All others, please get lost and don't chime in on any other groups that I follow.

 

[Pauln6a]

Okay, guys, I'm out of here. It was a nice group before when we were actually talking about the subject in the thread's title, but this is just too much. Everybody who doesn't feel the need to trash the new shows or to try and push their very un-Trek-like views of the world on others, I hope you'll have a great time. All others, please get lost and don't chime in on any other groups that I follow.

Come back in 6 months! We might have some actual 1/6 Star Trek to complain about by then! I think the meandering has happened because of a dearth of any favourable news. Or any news. That combined with the boredom of lockdown.

I quite enjoy engaging in different viewpoints. There is no right or wrong way to do Trek (although Abrams WAS WRONG dammit #cough#). Part of the problem with social media is that people resort to insults too readily when faced with an alternate viewpoint instead of finding common ground.

I've studied psychology and I read New Scientist with articles about what makes people tick, why they band together in groups, and how phrases are used to evoke a sense of belonging to your 'tribe'. Just go back and listen to some of Spock's dialogue before lashing out out your fellow humans. A lot of his commentary on the human condition holds true today!

 

[BurningRage]

Very fine people in this thread.

 

[Mike86]

Finally got myself a McCoy from a fellow board member. Didn’t have to pay too insane of a price. Paid $300 for the regular version, which is more than it went for initially, but to have him in my collection a price I was willing to pay.

 

[Doodlebob7]

Star Trek Discovery was the most popular streamed show in the world at one point and Star Trek Picard also broke streaming records so I'm not clear on how you're measuring their success. They also seem to have quite decent ratings on Rotten Tomatoes too. Be careful that you don't end up in an echo chamber full of middle-aged men from certain countries with certain political views. You might not be getting a very balanced view. IDIC.

I applaud anything that raises the profile of the franchise and encourages young people to go back and enjoy the earlier shows so that they too can decide which one is their favourite. I have friends who were not Star Trek fans who enjoy these new shows. They never ranted about how awful were the earlier Treks, they just didn't watch. And now they do.

They also think I'm nuts to spend ?200 on an action figure, so what do they know?

Youre talking about when std aired. sure people checked it out, i know i did. it was a new star trek show that hadnt been on tv since enterprise. thats like saying the farce engorges was a good movie because people went to see it since it was the first new star wars movie since the prequels, im not seeing your point.

lol as for puckard breaking records. "Star Trek: Picard breaks CBS All Access streaming records" what does this prove? they broke their own records on a platform barely anyone uses. thats like saying a new CW show broke records on CW which is a station known for having low viewership. im still not seeing where this shows actual success lol. nobody is watching these trek shows and the majority of the people who have tried to watch them think theyre crap, because they are.

"I applaud anything that raises the profile of the franchise and encourages young people to go back and enjoy the earlier shows" this statement essentially proves what ive been saying all along. you applaud anything that has the name of something you like plastered on it, regardless of quality. this is the mentality of a lot of people and its really sad. basically throw the name of something i once liked on it and im going to like it no matter what. why do you think so many people continued to see the new star wars movies even though they literally destroyed every orifice of star wars. half the people tried to pretend they were good and defend them until they had no legs to stand on and then just went silent back into their corners and the other half were normies who knew nothing about the franchise but just wanted to be apart of the "event."

thats great that you know some people who have gotten into star trek because of these new shows who wouldnt have watched the old ones, but that doesnt mean anything when you think about it. they were never going to like actual star trek. the fact that they like these new ones just means they would have liked any bad sci fi show regardless of the name star trek being on it. if they actually took the time to watch the old ones, maybe theyd realize the difference between good writing and bad writing, but most people cant be bothered because its now "new"

Gary from Nerdrotic went to the latest trek convention, he said there was maybe a few thousand people there and the average age of the people who attended was 50. there was next to know kids or anyone in there 20s-30s. thats just more proof that new trek isnt bringing in the audience they were trying to attract while sacrificing its core.

Also, if these shows are doing so well, wheres the merchandise? two funko pops that no one will buy? theres nothing to buy because these companies arent going to make products for **** they know wont sell.

 

[Doodlebob7]

Yeah I'm perfectly fine dissecting and nitpicking the many plot holes in a Trek series, but it seems like most of their outrage simply stems from a hatred of any kind of liberal or progressive politics. Which just seems really bizarre for a super liberal franchise like Trek.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoJ21ib01aM

If you cant tell for yourself, i cant really help you. I cant even get through this 3 minute clip its so cringe worthy. they swear they're doing something amazing and something thats groundbreaking thats never been done before. its painfully embarrassing. no one thinks like these crazed fanatics. thats all they're concerned with, they're not just trying to make a good show with good writing and interesting characters. who here can honestly say anyone on std is interesting or likable? in this video they're talking about how little girls can look up to tilly, lol what? i promise you no little girls are watching this show and they definitely arent looking up to tilly as a role model lmao.

 

[Pauln6a]

Youre talking about when std aired. sure people checked it out, i know i did. it was a new star trek show that hadnt been on tv since enterprise. thats like saying the farce engorges was a good movie because people went to see it since it was the first new star wars movie since the prequels, im not seeing your point.

lol as for puckard breaking records. "Star Trek: Picard breaks CBS All Access streaming records" what does this prove? they broke their own records on a platform barely anyone uses. thats like saying a new CW show broke records on CW which is a station known for having low viewership. im still not seeing where this shows actual success lol. nobody is watching these trek shows and the majority of the people who have tried to watch them think theyre crap, because they are.

"I applaud anything that raises the profile of the franchise and encourages young people to go back and enjoy the earlier shows" this statement essentially proves what ive been saying all along. you applaud anything that has the name of something you like plastered on it, regardless of quality. this is the mentality of a lot of people and its really sad. basically throw the name of something i once liked on it and im going to like it no matter what. why do you think so many people continued to see the new star wars movies even though they literally destroyed every orifice of star wars. half the people tried to pretend they were good and defend them until they had no legs to stand on and then just went silent back into their corners and the other half were normies who knew nothing about the franchise but just wanted to be apart of the "event."

thats great that you know some people who have gotten into star trek because of these new shows who wouldnt have watched the old ones, but that doesnt mean anything when you think about it. they were never going to like actual star trek. the fact that they like these new ones just means they would have liked any bad sci fi show regardless of the name star trek being on it. if they actually took the time to watch the old ones, maybe theyd realize the difference between good writing and bad writing, but most people cant be bothered because its now "new"

Gary from Nerdrotic went to the latest trek convention, he said there was maybe a few thousand people there and the average age of the people who attended was 50. there was next to know kids or anyone in there 20s-30s. thats just more proof that new trek isnt bringing in the audience they were trying to attract while sacrificing its core.

Also, if these shows are doing so well, wheres the merchandise? two funko pops that no one will buy? theres nothing to buy because these companies arent going to make products for **** they know wont sell.

What other sci fi do you enjoy?