Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Wor-Gar]

The mind is a terrible thing to waste...



- 70's proverb

 

[jye4ever]

The mind is a terrible thing to waste...



- 70's proverb

My son has his 3 friends over here right now.

Things started off well.

All 4 love SW in varying degrees.

All 4 are making fun of Star Trek.

All 3 are praising my collectibles to my son saying how cool it all looks.

All 4 are saying they love latina and brasilian brunettes in small bikinis.

But then things started going sideways real quick.

1 says AOTC is the best SW movie!

Another says that NO ROTS is the best SW movie!

Those 2 are so not getting pizza when it arrives they?re getting broccoli lol


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[Wor-Gar]

Does the one who likes AOTC have special needs?

 

[jye4ever]

That?s so not right......

But if I had to guess most definitely lol


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[Wor-Gar]

Its strange sometimes what resonates for a younger mind.

I wonder, if I was 10 again, and had all of these Star Wars movies before me, I wonder which one I would like best? Probably not ANH, sadly. Probably not even ESB. Busy is better when you're young.

 

[Khev]

RB is awesome I still need to watch that...

Yup that was awesome lol

BUT lets break down his argument even more.

YES what he is saying is fact but lets take a step back for a second here.

If the studio system is for financial and technical reasons inherently stuck at 2K masters due to VFX then can we really blame them when they release 2K up converted to 4K.

Yes crappy Hellboy is a true 4K release while End Game is fake 4K but the VFX in Hellboy were still mastered at 2K and since 99% of the movie is VFX one can argue that the movie is nowhere near a true 4K and more of a stitch work of 2K and 4K.

YES older movies like Blade Runner are true 4K masters even the VFX are BUT those are not cgi VFX so his argument is absolutely NOT a fair apples to apples comparison.

Khev when you watch the magic of cgi during the epic Rey vs Kylo battle do you hate the scene because the VFX were mastered in 2K or do you ignore those limitations and enjoy the moment.

Same for RO 3rd act will you now hate it because it was mastered in only 2K.

Yes I love the older movies BUT I am also not about to start hating epic scenes like EG Cap because the VFX are stuck at 2K.

Those SE will be real 4K but if you don?t want the SE even at 4K then use your money on the TN1 releases

So yes while what the guy is saying is accurate he is ready to throw the baby out with the bath water due to his frustrations with the studio system.

I am not.

AVENGERS.....ASSEMBLE!

My TROS 3D is already ordered lol

Absolutely agree. I've seen a number of Retroblasting's videos and while he has a cool collection he's also one of the most melodramatic whiners on the internet. He even bitches and moans about the very collection he's spent 10's or even 100's of thousands of dollars acquiring.

And he pretty much destroyed his own argument when he called out that films like TFA, RO, TLJ, Solo and TROS are 2K on the big screen. Because I've seen those in some of the biggest Dolby Cinema and IMAX 15/70 auditoriums in the country and the picture quality for all was jaw droppingly gorgeous. So if that is "upscaled 2K" then I'll be more than happy with such quality for the rest of my life.

As you know there is more to cinematography than just pixels and each and every Disney SW film has proven that time and again. The failings of the MCU picture quality hasn't been with the resolution but rather the piss poor "house style" of cinematography that insists on digital photography and network television quality lenses and lighting.

The entire ST on the other hand was shot with a combination of 35mm and 65mm celluloid (TROS used some of the same cameras as Dunkirk in fact) and boy does it show regardless of the resolution they were finally mastered at.

 

[jye4ever]

Its strange sometimes what resonates for a younger mind.

I wonder, if I was 10 again, and had all of these Star Wars movies before me, I wonder which one I would like best? Probably not ANH, sadly. Probably not even ESB. Busy is better when you're young.

Very true.

It is all good because if we all thought the same we would have never gotten SW to begin with.

My son can also like AOTC as long as she is a hottie lol.

Absolutely agree. I've seen a number of Retroblasting's videos and while he has a cool collection he's also one of the most melodramatic whiners on the internet. He even bitches and moans about the very collection he's spent 10's or even 100's of thousands of dollars acquiring.

And he pretty much destroyed his own argument when he called out that films like TFA, RO, TLJ, Solo and TROS are 2K on the big screen. Because I've seen those in some of the biggest Dolby Cinema and IMAX 15/70 auditoriums in the country and the picture quality for all was jaw droppingly gorgeous. So if that is "upscaled 2K" then I'll be more than happy with such quality for the rest of my life.

As you know there is more to cinematography than just pixels and each and every Disney SW film has proven that time and again. The failings of the MCU picture quality hasn't been with the resolution but rather the piss poor "house style" of cinematography that insists on digital photography and network television quality lenses and lighting.

The entire ST on the other hand was shot with a combination of 35mm and 65mm celluloid (TROS used some of the same cameras as Dunkirk in fact) and boy does it show regardless of the resolution they were finally mastered at.

Yeah sometimes we get lost in the modern technical details and forget that we were blown away in 77 and 80!

Mic dropped lol


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[Khev]

Yeah sometimes we get lost in the modern technical details and forget that we were blown away in 77 and 80!

Mic dropped lol

Yep.

Someone needs to tell Retroblasting that 1977 Star Wars was shot on 35mm and then blown up (the literal reverse of upscaling with regard to picture resolution, lol) for 70mm projection. So even the precious OT got the "2K" treatment in 70mm.

And we freaking loved it, lol. Of course he was too young to see SW and ESB on the big screen so that might partially explain his ignorance.

 

[jye4ever]

Yep.

Someone needs to tell Retroblasting that 1977 Star Wars was shot on 35mm and then blown up (the literal reverse of upscaling with regard to picture resolution, lol) for 70mm projection. So even the precious OT got the "2K" treatment in 70mm.

And we freaking loved it, lol. Of course he was too young to see SW and ESB on the big screen so that might partially explain his ignorance.

I love me some technology but it is not the end all be all to everything.

I wonder if any forum members here attended that Motion Picture Academy of Arts 70mm screening of unaltered 77 along with RO double feature last summer.

Surprising that Lucas even approved it which he obviously did.

It had the A New Hope title screen but that was it nothing else.


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[Khev]

I love me some technology but it is not the end all be all to everything.

I wonder if any forum members here attended that Motion Picture Academy of Arts 70mm screening of unaltered 77 along with RO double feature last summer.

Surprising that Lucas even approved it which he obviously did.

It had the A New Hope title screen but that was it nothing else.

Holy crap no freaking way. Okay Disney so why the hell did you drop the ball on releasing the restored theatrical cuts on home video.

 

[jye4ever]

Holy crap no freaking way. Okay Disney so why the hell did you drop the ball on releasing the restored theatrical cuts on home video.

Well word was that he was super reluctant to approve it and that it took quite a bit of ummm prodding cough money cough to get it done.

The bastard has it lol

Disney does not or else Iger would just be the scumbag that he is and release it.

We have to raid the Ranch lol


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[Khev]

I'm very curious as to whether the 4K Skywalker Saga OT and PT will have the correct 20th Century Fox logos or if it'll be that updated 20th Century Studios nonsense. If they do say Fox then hopefully that means Disney won't be updating any of the logos for films made prior to 2020.

 

[jye4ever]

Just to confirm Lucas didn?t actually film any of the OT in 70mm right.




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[Khev]

Correct it was all 35mm and then blown up for copy to 70mm prints. So it's good that Team Negative 1 got a hold of 35mm for their transfers since that would have the clearest picture.

 

[jye4ever]

Correct it was all 35mm and then blown up for 70mm projection (in theaters that had such projectors obviously.)

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[Khev]

Lol, yep. He didn't have the budget for 70mm during SW and then when he funded Empire and Jedi with his own money he sure as heck wasn't gonna splurge on the pricier film stock, lol.

Even multibillionaire 90's George stuck with 35mm for TPM so TFA was the first true large format SW.

 

[jye4ever]

Lol, yep. He didn't have the budget for 70mm during SW and then when he funded Empire and Jedi with his own money he sure as heck wasn't gonna splurge on the pricier film stock, lol.

Even multibillionaire 90's George stuck with 35mm for TPM so TFA was the first true large format SW.

88 Cannibal Campout is only 2 resolution steps behind 2002 AOTC


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[Prime Clone]

Its strange sometimes what resonates for a younger mind.

I wonder, if I was 10 again, and had all of these Star Wars movies before me, I wonder which one I would like best? Probably not ANH, sadly. Probably not even ESB. Busy is better when you're young.

See, all the geezers were hating on the PT but George was simply future-proofing the saga for future generations.

Soon we'll be dead... and our complaints with us.

 

[Prime Clone]

Also, since TROS needs supplemental material to make any sense, the comic adaptation will have extended and deleted scenes...

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

See, all the geezers were hating on the PT but George was simply future-proofing the saga for future generations.

Soon we'll be dead... and our complaints with us.

Imagine how horrible the future will be. Forget all the disasters people predict. The OT will be considered inferior to the others, WTF!!!