EXO-6 Star Trek "General Discussion" 1/6 Line

Nothing there is interesting. In fact it's disappointing because they said the next Kelvin movie will be the last.

davejames said:

Some interesting news in the latest Variety article (which may relate to future Exo-6 figures):

Spoiler:

-The Section 31 movie has Georgiou interacting with a young Rachel Garrett of the Enterprise C.
-The Starfleet Academy series (sigh) is confirmed to take place in the 32nd century

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Hooray! It's nice to Garrett finally getting some attention and appreciation.

And blah.
Why are we sticking in the 32nd century for anything?

DParga21 said:

Hooray! It's nice to Garrett finally getting some attention and appreciation.

And blah.
Why are we sticking in the 32nd century for anything?

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Sounds like they're trying to appeal to new viewers who may not be up to speed on all the 23rd-24th century Trek history.

davejames said:

Sounds like they're trying to appeal to new viewers who may not be up to speed on all the 23rd-24th century Trek history.

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I'm thinking they just don't know how to attract new viewers...

Sad there wasn't even a brief mention in there of a potential Legacy series, so guess that's not going to happen.

davejames said:

Sad there wasn't even a brief mention in there of a potential Legacy series, so guess that's not going to happen.

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Which is what I mean about attracting viewers. If they freaking have no intention of doing a Legacy series, they're frankly stupid.
Sure, let's not do a show that people are literally clamoring for. One that features the only character from Voyager with mainstream visibility. One that features a charismatic actor who's the son of an iconic character. One that is a direct sequel to the most popular season of Trek put out in two decades.
No no, instead, let's do an Academy series no one was asking for. Let's make it a tie-in to a series we just canceled that's had mixed reviews at best. And let's put it in a time period that has zero connection to any other Star Trek series whatsoever.

DParga21 said:

Which is what I mean about attracting viewers. If they freaking have no intention of doing a Legacy series, they're frankly stupid.
Sure, let's not do a show that people are literally clamoring for. One that features the only character from Voyager with mainstream visibility. One that features a charismatic actor who's the son of an iconic character. One that is a direct sequel to the most popular season of Trek put out in two decades.
No no, instead, let's do an Academy series no one was asking for. Let's make it a tie-in to a series we just canceled that's had mixed reviews at best. And let's put it in a time period that has zero connection to any other Star Trek series whatsoever.

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On the plus side no Legacy series means no more Raffi and that can be seen as a good thing.

localmonkey said:

On the plus side no Legacy series means no more Raffi and that can be seen as a good thing.

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I liked Raffi a lot more in season 3 when they actually portrayed her as competent. Drugged out conspiracy theorist Raffi sucked.

DParga21 said:

Which is what I mean about attracting viewers. If they freaking have no intention of doing a Legacy series, they're frankly stupid.
Sure, let's not do a show that people are literally clamoring for. One that features the only character from Voyager with mainstream visibility. One that features a charismatic actor who's the son of an iconic character. One that is a direct sequel to the most popular season of Trek put out in two decades.
No no, instead, let's do an Academy series no one was asking for. Let's make it a tie-in to a series we just canceled that's had mixed reviews at best. And let's put it in a time period that has zero connection to any other Star Trek series whatsoever.

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To be fair, I'm sure they were already well into production on the Academy series by the time Picard S3 came along (since new Trek series take years to develop), and had no idea fans would be clamoring for a spinoff from it.

But it would still be nice to hear that they're at least in talks or early discussion about it.

I don't see a hypothetical Legacy series attracting new viewers, honestly. Fan service and nostalgia will only take you so far.

davejames said:

Sad there wasn't even a brief mention in there of a potential Legacy series, so guess that's not going to happen.

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There was this.

Kurtzman also noted that his team at Secret Hideout is considering other possible streaming movie concepts, including a possible Star Trek: Picard follow-up

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Legacy title isn't something Paramount/CBS said was going to be what the hypothetical Captain Seven show would be called. So the Picard follow up could be that, or it could be the thing Stewert has been saying he wanted to do.

Kebron said:

There was this.

Kurtzman also noted that his team at Secret Hideout is considering other possible streaming movie concepts, including a possible Star Trek: Picard follow-up

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Legacy title isn't something Paramount/CBS said was going to be what the hypothetical Captain Seven show would be called. So the Picard follow up could be that, or it could be the thing Stewert has been saying he wanted to do.

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Yeah my assumption was that it would be another TNG reunion thing. Which we really don't need either.

DParga21 said:

I'm thinking they just don't know how to attract new viewers...

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By the 32nd Century, mankind should be incredibly advanced & "grown out of their infancy", as Jean-Luc Picard would say!
I guarantee this Kurtzman show will play out like "Beverly Hills 90210" in space

davejames said:

Some interesting news in the latest Variety article (which may relate to future Exo-6 figures):

Spoiler:

-The Section 31 movie has Georgiou interacting with a young Rachel Garrett of the Enterprise C.
-The Starfleet Academy series (sigh) is confirmed to take place in the 32nd century

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If this is the best they can come up with than it’s time to put Star Trek back on ice for the foreseeable future.

Aside from Picard S3 (which I acknowledge relied heavily on nostalgia), none of these “creative talents” have delivered the same complexity and quality that the legacy shows excelled at. This is why they are still relevant and timeless, the episodes usually conveyed something meaningful to the viewer.

I find the newer iterations consist of dumbed down exchanges with these newer characters, it’s reminiscent of high-school dialogue in many cases with stories that lack depth. To appeal to “new audiences” you have to make Trek sound and feel like every other show on TV?

Star Trek was always geared to be a cerebral show based around professionals who excelled at what they did based on merit and skill, dealing with complex and thought provoking situations that drew you in based on what humanity could become. That’s what I miss.

It doesn’t bother me that others are into these newer shows, I would like just one show that is more in-line with the traditional format that spanned across five series.

Hollywood is creativity bankrupt and these “writers” seem more like activists pushing whatever the latest fad is. I don’t need present day dystopian issues in my entertainment. Put people in charge who are actually knowledgeable of the lore, vision and are passionate about the franchise and can deliver GOOD stories with MEANING.

SNW isn’t bad, it’s a big improvement over DIS but it doesn’t have the same magic as the other shows. They don’t need to try and reinvent the wheel, use the formula that worked from 1966 - 2005.

DParga21 said:

Hooray! It's nice to Garrett finally getting some attention and appreciation.

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I’m not overly optimistic that the proper appreciation would be conveyed.

I found Seven to be unrecognizable in Picard S1. How does a character that was “re-born” on Voyager and mentored by Janeway and the rest of the crew to exemplify the best of humanity turn into a
murdering alcoholic? Did these writers even watch Voyager? That’s surely not the example that was set for her and even if she was facing some sort of personnel struggle are we to believe that the crew would simply abandon her? And they throw a relationship with Raffi at us in the 11th hour, such laziness.

Picard was turned into a shell of his former self (it was painful to watch), it’s like that’s the popular thing to do in modern interpretations of legacy characters, tear them down as was the case with Luke Skywalker as well.

Skyroes said:

If this is the best they can come up with than it’s time to put Star Trek back on ice for the foreseeable future.

Aside from Picard S3 (which I acknowledge relied heavily on nostalgia), none of these “creative talents” have delivered the same complexity and quality that the legacy shows excelled at. This is why they are still relevant and timeless, the episodes usually conveyed something meaningful to the viewer.

I find the newer iterations consist of dumbed down exchanges with these newer characters, it’s reminiscent of high-school dialogue in many cases with stories that lack depth. To appeal to “new audiences” you have to make Trek sound and feel like every other show on TV?

Star Trek was always geared to be a cerebral show based around professionals who excelled at what they did based on merit and skill, dealing with complex and thought provoking situations that drew you in based on what humanity could become. That’s what I miss.

It doesn’t bother me that others are into these newer shows, I would like just one show that is more in-line with the traditional format that spanned across five series.

Hollywood is creativity bankrupt and these “writers” seem more like activists pushing whatever the latest fad is. I don’t need present day dystopian issues in my entertainment. Put people in charge who are actually knowledgeable of the lore, vision and are passionate about the franchise and can deliver GOOD stories with MEANING.

SNW isn’t bad, it’s a big improvement over DIS but it doesn’t have the same magic as the other shows. They don’t need to try and reinvent the wheel, use the formula that worked from 1966 - 2005.


I’m not overly optimistic that the proper appreciation would be conveyed.

I found Seven to be unrecognizable in Picard S1. How does a character that was “re-born” on Voyager and mentored by Janeway and the rest of the crew to exemplify the best of humanity turn into a
murdering alcoholic? Did these writers even watch Voyager? That’s surely not the example that was set for her and even if she was facing some sort of personnel struggle are we to believe that the crew would simply abandon her? And they throw a relationship with Raffi at us in the 11th hour, such laziness.

Picard was turned into a shell of his former self (it was painful to watch), it’s like that’s the popular thing to do in modern interpretations of legacy characters, tear them down as was the case with Luke Skywalker as well.

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He's quite insightful is this 'ere fella! (* well - except for the SNW bit . . . because I adore that (except for 2 dodgy & 2 AWFUL episodes) *)


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Heavy Metal Spike said:

He's quite insightful is this 'ere fella! (* well - except for the SNW bit . . . because I adore that (except for 2 dodgy & 2 AWFUL episodes) *)


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You’re right buddy, I should give it more credit. I think I got crusty as I got to the tail end of my post.

Raffi was a good example of it taking a while to get characters moving in a good direction in today's TV.
All Picard characters that weren't Picard or Seven had difficulty because:
1) Only 10 episodes. That's less than half the episodes we had to get to know characters in the old days. Even then we didn't really get to know characters a lot and sometimes it would take several seasons to get to know them.
2) The show wasn't a character show. You didn't get the "Geordi episode" or "Diana Episode" where the biggest characters like Picard and Data didn't do much. It was about getting to know another character with their own story.

I finally got to liking Raffi a bit in season 3. A bit. I think had things been more like the old shows she'd be a fine character!
On a simlar note Agnes was quirky and the idea of someone who hadn't even left Earth or had much interest in it coming along was kind of neat. I can imagine her being good later but she only got two seasons and the two seasons sucked.

Blablabla....





Anyways the Achademy series sound stupid. I hope it's not. I don't like anything to come out of Discovery except Strange New Worlds which... still seems more of a other-universe spin-off like Lower Decks (which I LIKE but I don't care what you do or say, I don't consider it canon, so I guess I kind of consider SNW a different canon... I mean the Constitution in Picard was the old one so it's like freakin' impossible these are ACTUALLY connected...)...

I hope it's good. I doubt it will be... New Trek mostly sucks.


And I really DO NOT NEED that stupid Emperor Georgiou Section 31 thing. She is such a horrible "tries too hard" character...

DParga21 said:

Which is what I mean about attracting viewers. If they freaking have no intention of doing a Legacy series, they're frankly stupid.
Sure, let's not do a show that people are literally clamoring for. One that features the only character from Voyager with mainstream visibility. One that features a charismatic actor who's the son of an iconic character. One that is a direct sequel to the most popular season of Trek put out in two decades.
No no, instead, let's do an Academy series no one was asking for. Let's make it a tie-in to a series we just canceled that's had mixed reviews at best. And let's put it in a time period that has zero connection to any other Star Trek series whatsoever.

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I would like to see something based in the 24th century that covers the events post DS9, there is a ton to explore there after the war.

A series based in the Lost Era (between The Undiscovered Country and TNG) was always appealing as well but both would require someone at the helm that understands the universe to do it justice.

Skyroes said:

I would like to see something based in the 24th century that covers the events post DS9, there is a ton to explore there after the war.

A series based in the Lost Era (between The Undiscovered Country and TNG) was always appealing as well but both would require someone at the helm that understands the universe to do it justice.

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My interest in that Section 31 movie went way, way up when I saw that a young Rachel Garrett is part of its main cast. I'm really, really hoping we're finally going to get a Lost Era story on screen. And a chance to see the Enterprise C again would just be *chef's kiss*

Skyroes said:

If this is the best they can come up with than it’s time to put Star Trek back on ice for the foreseeable future.

Aside from Picard S3 (which I acknowledge relied heavily on nostalgia), none of these “creative talents” have delivered the same complexity and quality that the legacy shows excelled at. This is why they are still relevant and timeless, the episodes usually conveyed something meaningful to the viewer.

I find the newer iterations consist of dumbed down exchanges with these newer characters, it’s reminiscent of high-school dialogue in many cases with stories that lack depth. To appeal to “new audiences” you have to make Trek sound and feel like every other show on TV?

Star Trek was always geared to be a cerebral show based around professionals who excelled at what they did based on merit and skill, dealing with complex and thought provoking situations that drew you in based on what humanity could become. That’s what I miss.

It doesn’t bother me that others are into these newer shows, I would like just one show that is more in-line with the traditional format that spanned across five series.

Hollywood is creativity bankrupt and these “writers” seem more like activists pushing whatever the latest fad is. I don’t need present day dystopian issues in my entertainment. Put people in charge who are actually knowledgeable of the lore, vision and are passionate about the franchise and can deliver GOOD stories with MEANING.

SNW isn’t bad, it’s a big improvement over DIS but it doesn’t have the same magic as the other shows. They don’t need to try and reinvent the wheel, use the formula that worked from 1966 - 2005.


I’m not overly optimistic that the proper appreciation would be conveyed.

I found Seven to be unrecognizable in Picard S1. How does a character that was “re-born” on Voyager and mentored by Janeway and the rest of the crew to exemplify the best of humanity turn into a
murdering alcoholic? Did these writers even watch Voyager? That’s surely not the example that was set for her and even if she was facing some sort of personnel struggle are we to believe that the crew would simply abandon her? And they throw a relationship with Raffi at us in the 11th hour, such laziness.

Picard was turned into a shell of his former self (it was painful to watch), it’s like that’s the popular thing to do in modern interpretations of legacy characters, tear them down as was the case with Luke Skywalker as well.

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You summed up all the problems with Kurtzman-trek very nicely. I share your views on Seven. She's not the same character anymore and not in a good, has-grown-and-learned-from-her-time-on-Voyager sort of way.

"I've never trusted Kurtzman and I never will. I've never been able to forgive him for the death of my Seven."