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Well it was boring after I watched Robocop twice back to back. Its still a cool sequence but one that I realize I have to be in a nostalgic mood for to truly enjoy.

T2 blew me away in 1991. I really am curious to hear why you still think its a great movie by today's standards. Robocop is, T1 and Aliens are. Not so much T2 for me anymore.

By todays standards it holds up fine. What more recent sci-actioner dates it? Some bad haircuts in it maybe but thats about it.

Yes its essentially a bigger budget T1 retread in many action scenes and scenarios.... but I don't have a huge problem with that I have to say.

Arnold as the good guy - I don't have a problem with it, at least not in this film because I feel it was done plausibly. However this was the first and only film where it worked. By T3 it was already Arnold as a caricature of himself and lets play it for laughs - without the plausible context for humour that there was in T2 - so that it completely jars in this film.

I also disagree with what you said about the T-1000 being less charismatic - he was just different. The whole point was for him to be a contrast to Arnold and it worked very well IMO. His behaviour was no less Terminatory than Arnie in T1, so that only leaves his appearance - but again that was deliberate. The T-1000 combined 2 of Camerons original ideas when he was making T1 that he ended up not going with - a more ordinary looking human disguise that could truly infiltrate and the liquid metal aspect.

I don't know what else to talk about. Anything you want to take up?
 
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Iceman 5/10

F__cking awful!

Shannon was immense, I mean he was really really good in a complete turd of a film.

It lacked any real plot even though it had the advantage of being based on true events. It had no fluency at all, just a completely incoherent mess.
 
Iceman 5/10

F__cking awful!

Shannon was immense, I mean he was really really good in a complete turd of a film.

It lacked any real plot even though it had the advantage of being based on true events. It had no fluency at all, just a completely incoherent mess.
Damn, that's a shame. I was looking forward to seeing him in that. He's tailor-made to play an awesome hitman.
 
Iceman 5/10

F__cking awful!

Shannon was immense, I mean he was really really good in a complete turd of a film.

It lacked any real plot even though it had the advantage of being based on true events. It had no fluency at all, just a completely incoherent mess.

5/10 is pretty average though bud. Still I think this is the lowest I've ever seen you rate a movie. :lol

Anyway make sure you watch the actual interviews if you haven't. THey use to run those back to back with those "actual autopsies" show on HBO at like 2 am back when I first started drinking 8 years ago and I remember coming home from the bar and watching them, he left quite the impression. The real Iceman is intense and crazy but he does embellish a bit which isn't a surprise.
 
By todays standards it holds up fine. What more recent sci-actioner dates it? Some bad haircuts in it maybe but thats about it.

Oh I don't mean that the "styles" of 1991 date it. That's why I mentioned T1, Aliens, and Robocop, all heavily entrenched a lot of mid 80's trappings and so forth. But after dozens of viewings they're still great, engaging films.

T2 relied more heavily on the visual effects of the time and the "surprise" of Arnold being the good guy that time around. And I totally admit, that bit was brilliant. But after the novelty wears off it just becomes a sanitized "The Terminator" that borderline makes fun of itself with the "Bad to the Bone," silly sunglass scene from your avatar, and "I need a vacation."

Imagine if Robocop had said that when Lewis rescued him from the SWAT team. Lame.

I don't know what else to talk about. Anything you want to take up?

Nah, its cool. As you said we just see it differently now. But thanks for stating what still appeals to you about the film.
 
Well it was boring after I watched Robocop twice back to back. Its still a cool sequence but one that I realize I have to be in a nostalgic mood for to truly enjoy.

T2 blew me away in 1991. I really am curious to hear why you still think its a great movie by today's standards. Robocop is, T1 and Aliens are. Not so much T2 for me anymore.

Lmao you think Robocop holds up well to todays standards but Terminator 2 doesn't? :slap
 
Hook -- 8/10. Forgot how good it was. Need to get the kids to watch it ... they'd like it a lot.

I'll probably bring it on vacation for them to watch in the truck during the drive. Trying to bring a few movies they haven't seen. Also bringing Earnest Goes to Camp ... which my 5yo son is going to think is hysterical.

SnakeDoc
 
Discussion was over the moment I questioned him using a sarcastic angry tone. :lol

T2 is a great film. RoboCop is a great film. They aren't the same. And don't need to be compared.

T2 is a fine action film. RoboCop is a fine satire.
 
5/10 is pretty average though bud. Still I think this is the lowest I've ever seen you rate a movie. :lol

Anyway make sure you watch the actual interviews if you haven't. THey use to run those back to back with those "actual autopsies" show on HBO at like 2 am back when I first started drinking 8 years ago and I remember coming home from the bar and watching them, he left quite the impression. The real Iceman is intense and crazy but he does embellish a bit which isn't a surprise.

:lol

I had to give it a 5 for Shannon alone. That is a pretty bad score in my eye. It would probably be a big fat zero if it wasn't for him.

I read the book by Phillip Carlo some years ago now and I was completely engrossed in it. The film does not even come close to the book. It spent all of about three seconds exploring his upbringing which I found shocking. That in my view shaped the beast he went on to become and deserved a much bigger play in the movie. I don't think it really went on to show Richard for his true colours either. In the book he was said to have battered his wife on several occasions, but this was never explored. All in all the film was ever so losely based on this man in my opinion. I saw threads of similarities but not enough that you could call this a biographical film of Richard Kuklinski aka The Iceman.
 
Oh I don't mean that the "styles" of 1991 date it. That's why I mentioned T1, Aliens, and Robocop, all heavily entrenched a lot of mid 80's trappings and so forth. But after dozens of viewings they're still great, engaging films.

T2 relied more heavily on the visual effects of the time and the "surprise" of Arnold being the good guy that time around. And I totally admit, that bit was brilliant. But after the novelty wears off it just becomes a sanitized "The Terminator" that borderline makes fun of itself with the "Bad to the Bone," silly sunglass scene from your avatar, and "I need a vacation."

Imagine if Robocop had said that when Lewis rescued him from the SWAT team. Lame.



Nah, its cool. As you said we just see it differently now. But thanks for stating what still appeals to you about the film.

Yeah pretty much anything you have a problem with I personally don't. Perhaps its the age I was when I saw it first - bout John Connors age - and I'm not even sure if I had already seen T1 by that point to compare it to. Even if I had its likely at that age I would have preferred T2 merely because of the better special effects and good guy Arnie. Now I appreciate T1 as the original and better paced film but I never lost my love of T2. I think they compliment each other nicely and Cameron was right to leave it at that.....or he could have done a future war 2029 film detailing the events leading up to the Terminators being sent back through time. T3, as it was done, was clearly pointless.
 
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