Any Vegetarians on This Board?

Blackthornone said:

To me, the death penalty just makes sure the criminal won't do any more crime in this life. Real punishment is making him suffer while he lives. Death itself isn't the punishment. The ANTICIPATION of death is the punishment.
I figure a cow values his life more than most criminals, yes.

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On what basis?

SnakeDoc

SnakeDoctor said:

On what basis?

SnakeDoc

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Because cows, like most animals, are simple. They just want to live the way they naturally are created to live and they live like that. They absolutely want to live. They are committed to life.
Criminals are more complicated in their mindset.
Criminals do things to live and to deliberately self destructive things, unhealthy things.


Cows don't go out of their way to do unhealthy things to themselves like criminals do.
Cows don't smoke or drink or do drugs unless it is forced on them. Criminals freely and voluntarily do drugs, smoke, drink and eat unhealthy things, as well as do other self destructive acts and take risks that no sane person who values life would ever take.

crows said:

why? because I have a sense of humor that you Clearly lack???

I have never seen a more jaded person in my life bro, is makes me really sad.

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Because cawkholster is not funny?

Blackthornone said:

Because cows, like most animals, are simple. They just want to live the way they naturally are created to live and they live like that. They absolutely want to live. They are committed to life.
Criminals are more complicated in their mindset.
Criminals do things to live and to deliberately self destructive things, unhealthy things.


Cows don't go out of their way to do unhealthy things to themselves like criminals do.
Cows don't smoke or drink or do drugs unless it is forced on them. Criminals freely and voluntarily do drugs, smoke, drink and eat unhealthy things, as well as do other self destructive acts and take risks that no sane person who really values life would ever take.

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Interesting. I don't think that's exclusive to criminals. Most of mankind drinks alcohol. Lots smoke. Some do drugs. Plenty are promiscuous enough that its risky. Most all, including vegetarians, intentionally eat unhealthy things. A significant number risk their lives and their safety driving, or sporting, or cliff diving, or flying, or whatever. All intentionally take more risks than a cow.

Do you figure any man values his life as much as a cow? By that measure, do you value yours as much? Or anyone else's, for that matter?

SnakeDoc

i wonder what this tin foil avenger will tackle next time....maybe toilet paper consumption conspiracy? stay tuned.
typical for blackthornone, citing dodgy sources. that $50 big mac resource cant even figure out how it came up with that figure. like, go figure.lolz
i think i've wasted enough time with this tinfolk. end of line.

everybody wants a cheeseburger...nobody wants to meet the cow.
if the tables were turned, would you be happy to be on the menu while them cows enjoy man-meat....yes, delicious man-meat(in blackmask's voice)

fosing said:

i wonder what this tin foil avenger will tackle next time....maybe toilet paper consumption conspiracy? stay tuned.
typical for blackthornone, citing dodgy sources. that $50 big mac resource cant even figure out how it came up with that figure. like, go figure.lolz
i think i've wasted enough time with this tinfolk. end of line.

everybody wants a cheeseburger...nobody wants to meet the cow.
if the tables were turned, would you be happy to be on the menu while them cows enjoy man-meat....yes, delicious man-meat(in blackmask's voice)

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What do you think I sound like??? give me examples

( I know for a fact that Male cow meat is more tasty. It's just a fact)

blackmsk said:

What do you think I sound like??? give me examples

( I know for a fact that Male meat is more tasty. It's just a fact)

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i rest my case.

nah, you're stuck with crows now. it was unfortunate for blackmask and werewolf beast....haunted by man-meat undertoned posts.

All this talk about eating meat made me hungery. Just had a double Tommy's chilli cheese burger with raw onions.

fosing said:

i wonder what this tin foil avenger will tackle next time....maybe toilet paper consumption conspiracy? stay tuned.
typical for blackthornone, citing dodgy sources. that $50 big mac resource cant even figure out how it came up with that figure. like, go figure.lolz
i think i've wasted enough time with this tinfolk. end of line.

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I remember in the early 90's there was a program hosted by James Burke called Connections, I think, that said that the cheapest beef would be $35 a pound without subsidies. Since then, prices have gone up. Inflation and all that.
It takes 5,214 gallons of water to make a pound of beef.

https://www.earthsave.org/environment/water.htm

"In 1978, Herb Schulbach (Soil and Water Specialist, University of California Agricultural Extension), along with livestock farm advisors Tom Aldrich, Richard E. Johnson, and Ken Mueller, published extensive research on water use in California agriculture in the journal Soil and Water (no. 38, fall 1978). They concluded that the average pound of beef produced in California required 5,214 gallons of water."

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nah, you're stuck with crows now. it was unfortunate for blackmask and werewolf beast....haunted by man-meat undertoned posts.

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crows i s good, I li ke crows.

Crows is n ice i woul dnt change it

crows said:

NO you Hurt me so much Im crying right now

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I hurt you enough for you to insult me a second time, the first of which was calliing me a hypocrite because you didn't get the joke.

Do you know what the dead and the stupid have in common?

Hypocrite is a compliment? What color is the sky in your world jackass?

What they have in common is that neither of them are aware of their condition.

Blackthornone said:

Because cows, like most animals, are simple. They just want to live the way they naturally are created to live and they live like that. They absolutely want to live. They are committed to life.
Criminals are more complicated in their mindset.
Criminals do things to live and to deliberately self destructive things, unhealthy things.


Cows don't go out of their way to do unhealthy things to themselves like criminals do.
Cows don't smoke or drink or do drugs unless it is forced on them. Criminals freely and voluntarily do drugs, smoke, drink and eat unhealthy things, as well as do other self destructive acts and take risks that no sane person who values life would ever take.

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Save the cows, eat the criminals.

Lar'ja Thwei said:

Save the cows, eat the criminals.

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Eh. Too gamey.

SnakeDoc

You addressed me directly. You called me a hypocrite with no sense of humor. I was making a joke which you took seriously.

What was the exact thing I said and why do you think I engage Blackthorn simply to insult him, and not to counter the things he says which I regard as pernicious ********?

Blackthornone said:

Explain.
Killing in self defense is just as bad as killing for pleasure, or killing for pleasure is not as bad as killing in self defense?

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Neither. Necessity is not the justification for taking a life. Who decides what is necessary? You can posit an objective criterion for determining that, but what guarantees will there ever be that those deciding will make the correct evaluation? The Confederate South saw starting the Civil War as necessary for the preservation of their culture, threatened by an oppressive regime sympathetic to Northern culture. The Germans sympathetic to the Nazis considered the persecution of the Jews, war with Britain, and the invasion of Poland as necessary for similar reasons. Arab Muslims consider the annihilation of Israel as necessary to the survival of the Palestinian victims whom they support. Every one of these examples has clear and obvious flaws in the justification, but if you think that the other side is as morally certain of their position as history supposes they should be, I think you'd be very much wrong. Were the Allies right to punish Germany after WWI? Was the North right to destroy the Southern economy by outlawing slavery? Is Israel right to aggressively defend themselves against Hamas while they hide behind their women and children?

As far as your hypothetical cows go (as well as your hypothetical and purely imaginary criminals) living is necessary at almost all costs. At no point would they see their deaths as necessary by any standard. Cow doesn't have to die; people can eat other things. Criminal doesn't have to die; he's incarcerated. The only person who can justify the taking of another life is the person whose life depends upon the life of the other ending. The rest of the world is free to judge necessity. In truth, the justification is that a man has a right to live because he cannot live as a man otherwise. If his life is threatened, he has the right to protect it. Is it because his need to live is above the need to live of those who threaten him? There's a contradiction in your reasoning, and it has been exploited historically in every instance of mass murder that I can recall. Needs of the many vs. the needs of the few. Feel free to interchange that with whatever group you like. Salem witches. Bourgeoisie. Who needs to stay and who needs to go? I imagine it's necessary to the lives of cows that humans die, since we insist upon eating them. Gazelles and lions, flies and spiders, etc. Instinct or not, the prey needs to live and so does the predator.

crows said:

this is getting boring and it is annoying to the thread.
anything else you have to say to me just send me a PM, I'm done with these mindless bickering on random threads.

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Then shut the **** up.

Then shut the **** up.

I don't care about my post count. Do you ever see me in the what did you eat thread?

Are you aware that there are better ways to raise your post count than annoying the **** out of everyone? You've been here three years and have over half as many as me and I've been here more than twice as long. You're like a viral spam infection this board caught because Nam wasn't mean enough when the sickness first took hold.

And to think I used to stick up for you. The shame...it burns.