If someone buys this, my quest for this fellow will be at an end...

[daelith]

Patient Zero for $350???
<a href=http://cgi.ebay.com/Sideshow-Comic-Con-Exclusive-12-The-Dead-Patient-Zero_W0QQitemZ6066426389QQihZ009QQcategoryZ348QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>link to Patient Zero</a>

[Badism]

Indeed. I refuse to pay anything like that for him.

[DarkArtist81]

GOOD GOD!

That's a lot for Zero IMO.... I mean, way to take advantage of low edition sizes and popular demand! :monkey2

Glad I got mine!

http://photo-origin.tickle.com/image/104/5/4/RL/104548812RL241250430.jpg

[galactiboy]

This is just getting ridiculous! Sellers are getting way to greedy... it is a cool figure to be sure... but no way is it worth $350! That $325 sale was not good for others looking to score this figure, me included :monkey2

[don_of_the_dead]

This is what sucks about "Special Editions" Speculater b@stard scalpers buy em' not giving a ^^^^^ about the toy and screws us real collectors who really want it for our collection.

[daelith]

This is what sucks about "Special Editions" Speculater b@stard scalpers buy em' not giving a ^^^^^ about the toy and screws us real collectors who really want it for our collection.

Umm...if you were a real collector, you could've picked him up anytime during the last 12 months when he was averaging around $10-25 over retail. Only after they announced Subject 5 did the prices started going up. I certainly don't fault these guys...hell, if I had him, and I knew people were willing to pay that much, he'd be packed and ready to ship in a heartbeat. I'm just a lil upset at myself since I saw him from time to time and said I'd pick him up but never got around to it...grrr. But really, for that kind of money, I'd rather trade him in to pay for the next Marvel Vs. Diorama =/

[don_of_the_dead]

Umm...if you were a real collector, you could've picked him up anytime during the last 12 months when he was averaging around $10-25 over retail. Only after they announced Subject 5 did the prices started going up. I certainly don't fault these guys...hell, if I had him, and I knew people were willing to pay that much, he'd be packed and ready to ship in a heartbeat. I'm just a lil upset at myself since I saw him from time to time and said I'd pick him up but never got around to it...grrr. But really, for that kind of money, I'd rather trade him in to pay for the next Marvel Vs. Diorama =/


Where the hell do you shop? The cheapest I've seen him for is $100.
I just think there is too much greed in our hobby. I'm a cost plus shipping kinda guy.

[daelith]

Where the hell do you shop? The cheapest I've seen him for is $100. I just think there is too much greed in our hobby. I'm a cost plus shipping kinda guy.

I browse Ebay alot; not sure about you, but I happen to find alot of deals on ebay. I remember seeing Patient Zero going for 50-75.00 for a long time after Comic-con 2005. Once Subject Five hit, he started going over 100...then there were 2 that went for ~225....and the last one went for 325.00. As for the subject of greed and collectibles, welp, greed is all around us, my friend. Theoretically, we don't need fancy cars and we really don't need to collect this stuff and toss money away at it when people in Africa are starving do we?


Lastly, the star wars maquette I bought just a couple of months ago for $80 is now worth $200. If the market dictates that they're worth $350 next week and I sell it to finance the Lurtz 1/4 statue that I have on order, would you consider me a scalper?

[King Darkness]

Yup, this is getting crazy...You can buy a PF Vader for that price....NO 12" figure is worth that much IMO...

[TOE]

350 bones ha? :monkey1 is it really worth it?

[Mookeylama]

ll i agree w/ don of the dead. i haven't seen Zero go for much less than $100 since i started watching for him in Feb. course i'm sure i missed some.

[DarkArtist81]

Yup, this is getting crazy...You can buy a PF Vader for that price....NO 12" figure is worth that much IMO...

Yeah, true.... I paid about 185 bones for him....And that was a lot to drop on a 12" figure. I would not have paid any more.... Entirely too much money to buy ONE figure. :o

[coldheart]

At least I can make my money back if I sell mine.....

[galactiboy]

I do hope that this figure eventually drops again after the fervor dies (:lol ) down. But $325 is a bad precedent, its true that collectibles are only worth what your willing to pay for it... but when there is blood in the water the sharks start to circle. Especially with a low-run figure like this.

And I'll admit I should have picked one up when they were closer to $100 (that's when I first learned of his existence, didn't know about the con exclusives last year) but I figured that price would be constant for a while. But these recent spikes in price are ridiculous and when people buy them it just encourage sellers to demand more and more money.

[lcummins]

...NO 12" figure is worth that much IMO...


Well, collectibles values are mostly set by the buyers of the world. If the buyers are not willing to pay for something, then the sellers eventually reduce the price. I don't won't to start a debate about it, but will just say that, anything is worth what people are willing to pay for it. Just look at the Witch King Crown; most people say it is not "worth" the eBay price, but without a doubt, the "value" is consistently around $500 or more. I think the main problem is that sometimes we confuse the terminology; worth and value are two completely different things.

Another thing to remember is demand and supply. That is the number one thing that determines the price of anything in this whole world! If a product is truly supply scarce (as is Patient Zero), and high in demand (as is Patient Zero), the value goes up! If the item is supply scarce (as are some of the SSE PF monsters), but there is low demand, then the value is flat or falls. You can also have "demand scarcity". Most people would say an edition size of 1000 or 1500 is too high for the average Premium Format figure, but when that figure is Darth Vader, Obi-Wan or Darth Maul, it becomes "demand scarce"; that is, the edition size is reasonable, but the demand is so high that it becomes hard to find anyway. This of course will also drive the value up.

So, to sum up, Patient Zero is...

a) Supply scarce (only 300)
b) In demand (high demand at the moment)

...therefore, he IS worth the money people are getting for him, because buyers are willing to pay it to get him. I'm not saying whether it is right or wrong, just stating the facts.

[galactiboy]

Your understanding of economics is admirable... but the point can still be made that a few overzealous buyers can really screw the pooch for the rest of us. A few years back I was collecting M.U.S.C.L.E. figures and there is one particular figure that is (legitimately) real difficult to find: Satan Cross. But you could usually get for a reasonable $10-$15 (regular figures were at most $1 each). Then one day the figure was offered as a BIN of $50... it was bought and then the new price became $50... and has pretty well stayed much higher since then. So I do agree its worth what a person pays for it, but at the same time paying too much for a figure can encourage sellers to charge more and buyers to expect to pay more when the numbers and demand might really not have shifted all that much. But either way the price ends up being too high and I don't get the figure I want :monkey2

[daelith]

Your understanding of economics is admirable... but the point can still be made that a few overzealous buyers can really screw the pooch for the rest of us. A few years back I was collecting M.U.S.C.L.E. figures and there is one particular figure that is (legitimately) real difficult to find: Satan Cross. But you could usually get for a reasonable $10-$15 (regular figures were at most $1 each). Then one day the figure was offered as a BIN of $50... it was bought and then the new price became $50... and has pretty well stayed much higher since then. So I do agree its worth what a person pays for it, but at the same time paying too much for a figure can encourage sellers to charge more and buyers to expect to pay more when the numbers and demand might really not have shifted all that much. But either way the price ends up being too high and I don't get the figure I want :monkey2

Actually, when the item was purchased at $50, the supply DID decrease because there are fewer sellers willing to part with the item for $10-15. Because eventually the buyers agreed to the new price standard, there is an increase in demand (more buyers willing to buy at new price). Buyers don't set the price in supply and demand markets; instead, market value is set only when there is a convergence of buyer and seller perceived values.

[lcummins]

... Buyers don't set the price in supply and demand markets; instead, market value is set only when there is a convergence of buyer and seller perceived values.

Exactly! I may not have made myself as clear on the point, but that was one of the points I was trying to make. If the buyer is willing and the seller is willing, then that is the value at that moment...


And galactiboy you made a very valid point also! Sometimes, a few "sells" can make "demand" sway one way or the other. Just like edition size makes demand increase or decrease. Would the Grey Hulk vs Spiderman be as hot with an edition size of 500 instead of 50? I think not...

All in all, as most of us usually finish with, it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. During my many years of collecting, I have seen my own "notion" of the value of something drift up as I tried repeatedly to get an item and failed. If I always miss out on an item because I was only willing to go to a certain point, I tend to go a little higher next time; and then to miss it again, it is easy to end up paying an amount you never thought you would at the beginning.

[The ill Jedi]

I'll be damned if I ever pay that much for a 12" figure, not even if it was a Talking Vader with a Light-up-saber, removable helmet and Meditation Chamber environment (Hint Hint Sideshow). I too would much rather use the money to finance another PF or Vs. piece. I guess I will have to be happy with Subject 5 for now.

[galactiboy]

Very true Lcummins, it can become a bit of a frustrating situation when you miss a figure and see the price steadily creep up. But its nice when you are on the other side and your figures appreciate exponentially :lol I just wish I could be on that side of things me :monkey3

[daelith]

Comes with the territory; back in the early 90's at Comic-con, some guy pulled out Action 1 and said "25k", I'm sure alot of folks back then (and even now) would pay 25k for a few sheets of weathered paper...but it would probably fetch at least 500k now =/

[Cosmo_Kramer]

GOOD GOD!

That's a lot for Zero IMO.... I mean, way to take advantage of low edition sizes and popular demand! :monkey2

Glad I got mine!

http://photo-origin.tickle.com/image/104/5/4/RL/104548812RL241250430.jpg
hopefully you will be selling me urs soon:o

[MisterToyNYC]

HA! Now I'd easily pay $350 for this custom young Don Corleone

http://www.kojun.co.kr/V2/img/detail/0111_body1.jpg

or this awesome custom Terminator figure
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/nimbus1/200661518323633086.jpg

or this awesome Anakin Skywalker
http://user.chol.com/~ahrthfl/vancei_anakin_09.jpg

But $350 for a "dead" figure? C'mon! I can make that figure by taking one of my early Joes and running it over with my car a few times. I'm serious!

Eric

[SKARY]

Funny I bought a Zero from the same seller about a month ago for $180. seems as though he was scoffing these up back when they were in the 75-100 range. Alas that is when we all should of been getting it as well. Now people will have to pay. Also think it's funny that security 5 is selling in the 99 range, this figure was available through SS for non-attendees for at least a week.

[carbo-fation]

The nose seems a bit off on Corleone, other then that it's an awesome figure!

[LOTRFan]

That Terminator is easily the single greatest 12" figure I have ever seen! :cool: :google

Part of me wonders if you are pulling a fast one, and that is actually a production shot from the film (minus the paper boy in his hand)?! :lol

That really is impressive.

[MisterToyNYC]

The nose seems a bit off on Corleone, other then that it's an awesome figure!

LOL! Just couldnt help yourself, huh?! You guys are so predictable I can set my clock to ya! :D

Eric

[hairlesswookiee]

hey that is a crazy price, but if i had a patient zero myself i gurantee he would be on ebay right now. it might sound bad, but if i can sell one of my 12" toys and either buy a PF statue or pay my car payment--- i wouldnt lose any sleep over it.

[King Darkness]

hey that is a crazy price, but if i had a patient zero myself i gurantee he would be on ebay right now. it might sound bad, but if i can sell one of my 12" toys and either buy a PF statue or pay my car payment--- i wouldnt lose any sleep over it.

Ditto.......If I had him I would unload him now and pay for my PF leatherface and another 12" figure...


(Sell he on E-bay Josh...strike while the iron is hot!!)

[DarkArtist81]

Ditto.......If I had him I would unload him now and pay for my PF leatherface and another 12" figure...


(Sell him on E-bay Josh...strike while the iron is hot!!)

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

Yeah, you know.... I have thought of that recently too... Just start the bidding at what I paid and let it roll.... Hey, that could pay for a good chunk of my credit card debt AND pay for the Kurgan custom supplies!!!

I think that I am gonna sell him now though... just to show my support for the Kurgan cause.... :D

[King Darkness]

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

Yeah, you know.... I have thought of that recently too... Just start the bidding at what I paid and let it roll.... Hey, that could pay for a good chunk of my credit card debt AND pay for the Kurgan custom supplies!!!

I think that I am gonna sell him now though... just to show my support for the Kurgan cause.... :D

Well, I hope you get at least $300 out of him Josh....Anything for the Crusade!

[DarkArtist81]

Well, I hope you get at least $300 out of him Josh....Anything for the Crusade!

Yeah, I figure... I mean.. I could be nice and offer it here, but so many people are wanting it. And I also have to make my money back (wedding woes... my customs did not sell) :monkey2

So I think that would be the best bet. I can just post it here as a gesture to all of my fellow Freaks, at least to give everyone a shot. But I really need the money.... :monkey3

It's not like it's not for a good cause or anything...

[King Darkness]

Yeah, I figure... I mean.. I could be nice and offer it here, but so many people are wanting it. And I also have to make my money back (wedding woes... my customs did not sell) :monkey2

So I think that would be the best bet. I can just post it here as a gesture to all of my fellow Freaks, at least to give everyone a shot. But I really need the money.... :monkey3

It's not like it's not for a good cause or anything...

I'am sure it would be a really cool gesture to give it to a fellow boardmember for what you paid, but priorities do come first and anyone who doesn't understand that is a butt-hole:lol ....good luck man, I hope you make double what you payed!

[DarkArtist81]

I'am sure it would be a really cool gesture to give it to a fellow boardmember for what you paid, but priorities do come first and anyone who doesn't understand that is a butt-hole:lol ....good luck man, I hope you make double what you payed!

Well, I know it's Evil...:devil

But I just put it up... I'll give it a shot. Also will put up the custom Freddy... see if anyone bites.... :monkey1

I'll post in the auctions area for you guys...:D

[King Darkness]

Well, I know it's Evil...:devil

But I just put it up... I'll give it a shot. Also will put up the custom Freddy... see if anyone bites.... :monkey1

I'll post in the auctions area for you guys...:D

WHAT?????I cant believe you would go to EVIL-bay!!!!Damit Josh, I just said all that crap in hopes you would say "No, no, evil bay is no good, why don't I just sell it to you for what I payed"....BUT NOOOOOOOO...you go and sell it on evil-bay....



























J/K:D

[DarkArtist81]

WHAT?????I cant believe you would go to EVIL-bay!!!!Damit Josh, I just said all that crap in hopes you would say "No, no, evil bay is no good, why don't I just sell it to you for what I payed"....BUT NOOOOOOOO...you go and sell it on evil-bay....



























J/K:D

Ah.... yes... the fun of reverse phychology... :lol :lol

It makes me so sad to put him up though... I hate that I have to do it. I mean, after so many have done so much to help me out and get the figures I want. And here I can return the favor... and I don't. I feel like Luke if he killed Vader instead of coming to his senses....

And as bad as it makes me feel, I know I had to do it....

[King Darkness]

Ah.... yes... the fun of reverse phychology... :lol :lol

It makes me so sad to put him up though... I hate that I have to do it. I mean, after so many have done so much to help me out and get the figures I want. And here I can return the favor... and I don't. I feel like Luke if he killed Vader instead of coming to his senses....

And as bad as it makes me feel, I know I had to do it....

Dont feel bad Josh....Sacrafices must be made for the women we love...after all can Patient Zero cook and clean:lol

[gabberjawa]

That Terminator is easily the single greatest 12" figure I have ever seen! :cool: :google

Part of me wonders if you are pulling a fast one, and that is actually a production shot from the film (minus the paper boy in his hand)?! :lol

That really is impressive.

Matt, that photo is of a 1:1 (I would guess film used?) maquette/prop.

There is a thread somewhere that shows a 12 inch figure based on that- but that is not actually the 12 in. figure. The figure is good- but it's not that good. That Corleone is jaw dropping though.

[MisterToyNYC]

You're correct gabberjawa. I posted the wrong pic. Here are pics of the 1/6 version. Still awesome!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/nimbus1/damaged_t-850_002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/nimbus1/damaged_t-850_001.jpg

Eric

[panzerwerk]

WOW , so im to blame for all the high prices on the Zero figure now !! how cool is that :monkey5

[Minimodel]

Corleone looks more like Lord Lucan to me,which is cool as he was a notorious English society rogue of the early 1970s who throttled his Nanny and then vanished.

[daelith]

Welp, looks like it sold for 350.00 a new high =/

[Badism]

*Scratches Patient Zero off the buy list* :monkey2

[DarkArtist81]

Yeah, the bidding on mine just reached $200... and still has 2 days left. :monkey5

I wonder how high it will go? :D

At least I started the bidding kinda low..

[EVILFACE]

Better hope jlcmsu doesnt see this thread. He tell you're a scalper and should sell Mr Zero for 50 bucks.

:rotfl :rotfl

[daelith]

Only thing holding down the value of the current Patient Zero that's up is that it's opened. If it goes past 300.00...yikes!

[King Darkness]

Yeah, the bidding on mine just reached $200... and still has 2 days left. :monkey5

I wonder how high it will go? :D

At least I started the bidding kinda low..

Very cool, Josh...I hope you get at least $300!!!

[daelith]

Better hope jlcmsu doesnt see this thread. He tell you're a scalper and should sell Mr Zero for 50 bucks.

:rotfl :rotfl

And then he might hold it for awhile and turn around and sell it on ebay with a .01 reserve and get market price for it...which might be in the 500's by then; but hey, with that .01 starting price, welp, at least he gave buyers a chance ;)

[DarkArtist81]

And then he might hold it for awhile and turn around and sell it on ebay with a .01 reserve and get market price for it...which might be in the 500's by then; but hey, with that .01 starting price, welp, at least he gave buyers a chance ;)

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[Darth Kustomizer]

For anyone that might be interested. Due to what Patient Zero seems to be going for these days on E-Bay I have decided to unload mine. I bought him, picked him up at the show and never got around to opening him. I plan on starting the bid at 10.00 bucks. So, it will be interesting to see what he goes for.

[dr2red]

Darth have you put it up yet?
I have been trying to get him for months.
It always goes higher than I can afford.

[Fritz]

I plan on starting the bid at 10.00 bucks. So, it will be interesting to see what he goes for.

Why? You pay more in fees that way. Just start it at $0.01 so you pay the least amount of fees possible.

[galactiboy]

There's blood in the water...

$350 Patient Zero (http://cgi.ebay.com/SDCC-Excl-Patient-Zero-12-by-Sideshow-300-worldwide_W0QQitemZ190000762645QQihZ009QQcategoryZ 348QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
&
$355 Patient Zero (http://cgi.ebay.com/SDCC-Sideshow-Exclusive-12-The-Dead-Patient-Zero-RARE_W0QQitemZ180000871060QQihZ008QQcategoryZ348QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[carbo-fation]

I don't know what makes people spend so much money on a 12" figure.

[Mookeylama]

well i'd pay WAAAY more than that if the figure was the best of it's kind out there, but i sure can't see it for PZ. i have a $30.00 DUST zombie that looks cooler IMO. pieces like Knight Who Says Ni, CFTBL, and low ES "keys" to a set i can see. they're rare and look fantastic.

[DarkArtist81]

Mine just sold last night for $260.... :D

Not bad for being opened and all.... But way more than even I would pay for him. So really, I only got about 80 dollars more than what I paid.....

As long as I made back my initial investment I'm happy.

[lcummins]

...pieces like Knight Who Says Ni, CFTBL, and low ES "keys" to a set i can see. they're rare and look fantastic.


I think Patient Zero has become a "low ES key" to The Dead line!

[Customikey]

For these prices you could get an amazing one-of-a kind custom figure. That's not a plug, just a statement of fact.

[galactiboy]

For these prices you could get an amazing one-of-a kind custom figure. That's not a plug, just a statement of fact.

Or about 7 or so different figures... he's just too overpriced. A cool figure, but no worth the investment IMO. Especially not now that he's approaching the $400 mark :google

[Bum]

that's why i won't ever get the Enterbay Bruce Lee's. I could get a PF statue for that price.

And I know i'm not a heavy-hitter collector like others on here, so $140 shipped was the most i'd ever paid for a 1/6 scale fig. eBay is great for saving some (got most of my PFs and statues/maquettes at really low prices), but for 12" figs... hmm. :(

[Bannister]

that's why i won't ever get the Enterbay Bruce Lee's. I could get a PF statue for that price.

And I know i'm not a heavy-hitter collector like others on here, so $140 shipped was the most i'd ever paid for a 1/6 scale fig. eBay is great for saving some (got most of my PFs and statues/maquettes at really low prices), but for 12" figs... hmm. :(
$100-150 is about my limit on a 12" fig.

[The Godfather]

I sold this for 140 and thought that was an insane price for it.

[Bannister]

I sold this for 140 and thought that was an insane price for it.
Bet you wish you held onto it.:D

[wofford29]

I wonder if the Subject 57 exclusive will end up going this high since it's got the same es.

[Bannister]

I wonder if the Subject 57 exclusive will end up going this high since it's got the same es.
Doubt it since it is a variant, but I would love it if it did.

[KeninMI]

My Toys McCoy Indy was the most expensive figure that I bought to date. I still don't regret it. I had a little buyers remorse in the beginning, but then I got over it. If I didn't have the Patient Zero figure, I would pony up the cash to get it. I'll pay the money for figures that are cool to me.

I guess that's the rule of thumb for any collector. Get it if you're CRAZY about it. If it isn't something that you are crazy about, don't get it.

Then there's the money issue. :lol

[Bannister]

My Toys McCoy Indy was the most expensive figure that I bought to date. I still don't regret it. I had a little buyers remorse in the beginning, but then I got over it. If I didn't have the Patient Zero figure, I would pony up the cash to get it. I'll pay the money for figures that are cool to me.

I guess that's the rule of thumb for any collector. Get it if you're CRAZY about it. If it isn't something that you are crazy about, don't get it.

Then there's the money issue. :lol
Thank God I am not crazy about Patient Zero.

[Shai Hulud]

I sold this for 140 and thought that was an insane price for it.


I was the ''insane'' Buyer !!!:D :rock

[Shai Hulud]

My Toys McCoy Indy was the most expensive figure that I bought to date. I still don't regret it. I had a little buyers remorse in the beginning, but then I got over it. If I didn't have the Patient Zero figure, I would pony up the cash to get it. I'll pay the money for figures that are cool to me.

I guess that's the rule of thumb for any collector. Get it if you're CRAZY about it. If it isn't something that you are crazy about, don't get it.

Then there's the money issue. :lol


My philosophy too.