Dracula 1:1 Bust

[Azog]

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/behindtheshow/?page_id=1594&source=061506news

[oxbeard]

Looks good, but probably not for me. Wonder if Andy did this one?

[galactiboy]

Wow! Just wow... beautiful, but not for me. I don't collect these sorts of things and I'm sure its way out of my price range... but darn that's cool!

[Seaward]

Way too cool, but i can't afford these, just a jealous monkey:monkey2

[carbo-fation]

Very nice but I have no place for these busts. They just take up way too much room.

[Bonehead15]

Very nice!! :)

I still though think Andy's Lugosi portrait from the PF is much better. It's still to this day my favorite SS piece. :D

[oxbeard]

Very nice!! :)

I still though think Andy's Lugosi portrait from the PF is much better. It'still to this day my favorite SS piece. :D

My thoughts exactly. There is a definate difference between the Andy's 1/4 version and this. That's why I'll be curious to see who sculpted this one.

[Aerosmith]

I will be ordering this. Here I thought ordering the KISS Premium Formats last week was alot of money. Yeah im going to go broke thanks to Sideshow.

:chew

[NASEDO]

It looks good, would of like to see some fangs. Have to pass too much stuff coming.

[Gruff Old Bear]

Did you notice they found a few color PF Draculas, aka Andy's masterpiece?

Get it while the gettin's good, if you haven't got it yet.

[TheObsoleteMan]

Very nice!! :)

I still though think Andy's Lugosi portrait from the PF is much better.

Same here. The bust is a nice sculpt, but the eyes are missing that fierce, hypnotic effect that makes the PF sculpt so brilliant.

[Aerosmith]

It looks good, would of like to see some fangs. Have to pass too much stuff coming.

Lugosi Dracula didnt have fangs. :)

[Michael Crawford]

Like others before me, I think it looks terrific, but too expensive for me. If there were one of the busts I would have bought, it would have been the Predator. Now, if they do a Creature, I simply won't be able to resist.

[Anton Phibes]

It looks good, would of like to see some fangs. Have to pass too much stuff coming.




ON A LUGOSI????? Never! Now a LEE on the other hand.......

[occulum]

looks good.

wonder if they'll be doing SSE's of these?

[Anton Phibes]

You must appreciate the sheer irony of the fact that I am actually going to have to begin selling my blood now in order to afford this thing. WHEN'S THE DARN PREORDER SO I KNOW WHEN I AM GETTING SERVED WITH MY DIVORCE PAPERS??? kidding...i think. Bring em on!!!!!:chew :chew :chew :chew :chew :chew :chew :chew :chew

[galactiboy]

Like others before me, I think it looks terrific, but too expensive for me. If there were one of the busts I would have bought, it would have been the Predator. Now, if they do a Creature, I simply won't be able to resist.

Aakkk!!! Don't even say that... I don't collect busts, statues, etc. But, a 1:1 Creature could change all of that. Hopefully it would be a few years down the line so I can be financially stable enough to float one:monkey3

[moonlightdrive21]

Likeness to Bela is off, which is a deal breaker for me. Considering how perfectly dead on the Ardeth Bay 1/1 is, I had high hopes for this one.

[Anton Phibes]

A few postings stating that they feel the likeness is "off" somehow. I dunno...I think it looks dead on to me. Maybe its because he looks normal and not doing the kooky eyebrow thing? I loves it though, and I'm a havin' me one fer sure. DANCE WOOKIES....DANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:chew :chew :chew :chew :chew :chew

[NASEDO]

The problem is he looks too normal. I'm not an old school horror fan, my bad on the no fangs.

[Universalrocks]

The likeness to me is perfect. The question I have is, I hope he will have the red ribbon and medallion. I know later in the Movie he is without it and only has his gold chain. But Darn it I want him looking just like his premium format counterpart!:crying

[Aerosmith]

I hope he has part of his cape. I mean if they can give the 1:1 Maul part of his hooded cloak, why not Dracula his cape?

[Poelzig]

I think it's great that the first two user comments requested a 12'' Ygor. Get the hint yet Sideshow?:lol

[Anton Phibes]

So, uhmmm...WHEN'S THE PREORDER????!!!!!!!!!????????????:monkey5 :monkey5 :monkey5

[Aerosmith]

Probably when the newsletter goes up tonight. Cant wait! :chew

[Aerosmith]

Damn 4th Quater is going to be exspensive for me. :google

[Viking28]

Looks like one of his eyes are off, but othe than that looks pretty cool.

[Universalrocks]

Ok, I took the plunge again :D Looks like I will have to make my own medallion as it looks as if
he will not have one. Wonder if there are any closeups pics that exsits anywhere of it? The pf figure medallion lacks detail, but is enough for that figure. Ideas Anyone? I see he is also a $100.00 Cheaper which is cool.:)

[Anton Phibes]

OH MY DEAR LORD IN HEAVEN..............THIS THING TOTALLY ROCKS!!!! LOVE THE BASE WITH THE DRACULA CREST ON IT!!!! I ONLY HOPE IT DOESN'T SHIP THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS BECAUSE I WILL BE IN FLORIDA THAT WEEK!!!!!!! IT LOOKS GREAT TO ME!!! DID YOU NOTICE THE THING EVEN HAS EYELASHES? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAA!!!!!:chew :chew :chew :chew :chew

THIS IS A CHILDHOOD DREAM COME TRUE!

Must have a Wolfman, Frankenstein, Phantom, and Creature to have the dirty half dozen that traditionally receive licensing. I'll probably buy any that they make though. Because I'm insane like that.

I assume you all know...I just ordered mine.:monkey5 :monkey5

[Double Dare]

This piece looks superb. I've always wanted a full scale Lugosi figure and it looks like this is the one to build around. At least two of these will have my name on them.

Nick

[mlarsen]

I like this one but the only 1:1 monster bust I would seriously consider getting would be Frankenstein.

[moonlightdrive21]

Man am I glad I was wrong about this one!

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=2915

Now that we see more pics and angles, it reveals how good the likeness is. What a beauty overall!!

Dave

[Universalrocks]

Im sure a lot of you own the Miles Teves Vinyl Frankenstein and Phantom of the Opera, Produced by Cineart. Just before this Company dissapeared, Miles Had Sculpted A Lugosi Dracula for them and it even appeared on their website. I can't remember if they were selling them or just previewing it before it went on Sale. But here is a link to his Site and it shows that very Bust.
http://www.milesteves.com/sculpture.php
Makes one wonder what ever happened to Cineart and why they just seemed to have vanished. This would have been cool if a Vinyl version of this would have become available to go with Frank and Phantom. Im actually glad that Miles is the Sculpture of Sideshows Bela because in a way it will be like finally like acquiring this piece.:cool:

[FrankenFan]

It is unmistakably Bela, and the likeness is especially evident in that three-quarter view. My main gripe is not with the portrait but with the omission of the medallion and a section of cape and collar. Like Sideshow's Premium Format 1:4-scale figures, the combined mixed-media elements really bring these pieces to life, and it's a loss to not see the Count's signature medallion and cape.

Looks like I will have to make my own medallion as it looks as if he will not have one. Wonder if there are any closeups pics that exsits anywhere of it? The pf figure medallion lacks detail, but is enough for that figure. Ideas Anyone?

There is an interesting discussion of the medallion at the Classic Horror Film Board (http://p075.ezboard.com/fmonsterkidclassichorrorforumfrm38.showMessage?top icID=413.topic). Or, you can get your own Vampire Deluxe Medallion (http://www.thecostumer.com/store/product.cfm?prodID=7217) for only $2.98!

Back to the likeness, a member at the Classic Horror Film Board (http://p075.ezboard.com/fmonsterkidclassichorrorforumfrm30.showMessage?top icID=173.topic) made a few subtle changes to the eyes, ears, and mouth which really improve the portrait when viewed head-on. This is probably a prototype of the bust we are looking at, and hopefully, the final production piece will at least correct the misaligned pupils.

Anyway, here are some high-resolution pictures of the bust:

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4738/2915press012ua.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2915press012ua.jpg)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4640/2915press046gx.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2915press046gx.jpg)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3746/2915press057mu.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2915press057mu.jpg)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/293/2915press060uu.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2915press060uu.jpg)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7364/2915press079ih.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2915press079ih.jpg)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1856/2915press081lj.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2915press081lj.jpg)

Dig those eyelashes!

[Phil]

I like this one but the only 1:1 monster bust I would seriously consider getting would be Frankenstein.

The sculptor, Miles Teves, did a great couple of rotocast busts a few years ago. One was Karloff's monster, the other was Chaney's Phantom. I got the Ardeth Bey, and god help me, I ordered this one.

EDIT: Didn't read the whole thread. At any rate, I probably won't be getting a Karloff Monster or Chaney Phantom, because Miles' vinyl busts are just beautiful and fit in just fine.

[Anton Phibes]

The sculptor, Miles Teves, did a great couple of rotocast busts a few years ago. One was Karloff's monster, the other was Chaney's Phantom. I got the Ardeth Bey, and god help me, I ordered this one.

EDIT: Didn't read the whole thread. At any rate, I probably won't be getting a Karloff Monster or Chaney Phantom, because Miles' vinyl busts are just beautiful and fit in just fine.


Come on....don't be in denial. You know you will have to get a Frankenstein Monster and A Phantom. I wasn't going to buy any of these at all. Until I saw Ardeth Bey. Now....I will own them all. Don't know ehere the heck I am going to put them all....but IM GONNA BUY EM ALL!!!!

two words: JOIN US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:chew :chew :chew :chew :chew

[Phil]

Bwahaha. I'll get no Karloff and like it!

Phibes, you might like this. A guy took a Karloff bust and customized it to look like the Gogos painting from an old Famous Monsters cover. Not for everyone, but I think it's a great idea. Scroll down slowly...

http://home.comcast.net/~jcampdesign/MonsterG_1.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jcampdesign/MonsterG_2.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jcampdesign/MonsterG_5.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jcampdesign/MonsterG_3.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jcampdesign/MonsterG_4.jpg

WHOAH - EDIT - I just read that the guy who painted it is JEff Camper, who painted the Lugosi bust in Sideshow's pics. Incredible talent.

[FrankenFan]

I love that paint treatment, that's the Howard Studios (http://www.howardsstudios.com/horror/karloff/) bust.

I've got the Cine Art bust, but would still be interested in an offering from Sideshow. Personally, when they do release a bust of Karloff's Monster, I hope it's from Bride. The scars and burns, the exposed clamps, and the weathered clothing would be well-suited for a mixed-media presentation. Maybe even some "real" singed hair!

Howard recently completed a 1:1 bust of the Monster from Bride (http://www.howardsstudios.com/horror/bmonster/).

http://www.kurtgoldzung.com/MB/bof2.jpg

[FrankenFan]

Lee, at the Classic Horror Film Board (http://p075.ezboard.com/bmonsterkidclassichorrorforum), posted this digital mock-up of the Count with his cape and medallion. IMHO, these additions complete this piece and bring it to life — especially the splash of color the medallion adds. (Eeets da blud!)

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/4462/drclbstcmprsn5jl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

C'mon, Sideshow! If we can't get the cape, can you at least reconsider adding the medallion?

[Anton Phibes]

Bwahaha. I'll get no Karloff and like it!

WHOAH - EDIT - I just read that the guy who painted it is JEff Camper, who painted the Lugosi bust in Sideshow's pics. Incredible talent.


That Frankenstein is really sweet! I love Gogos's style and its suprising to see someone translate it so well onto a 3-d piece.

As far as getting no Karloff and liking it....."We'll see, we'll see......" :D

[Anton Phibes]

Lee, at the Classic Horror Film Board (http://p075.ezboard.com/bmonsterkidclassichorrorforum), posted this digital mock-up of the Count with his cape and medallion. IMHO, these additions complete this piece and bring it to life — especially the splash of color the medallion adds. (Eeets da blud!)

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/4462/drclbstcmprsn5jl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

C'mon, Sideshow! If we can't get the cape, can you at least reconsider adding the medallion?

Gotta admit, I really like the medallion being a part of the piece. The collar could work, but the photoshopped one sticks out waaaay too much. I wonder how many people will go to a formal costumory shop and look for an old style top hat to put on theirs? I could just see the store manager asking them what size hat they need and them bringin bela in for a measurement!:rotfl

[Universalrocks]

Maybe the reason Sideshow is not adding the medallion, is because they want the piece to be as authentic as possible. Since no one really knows what it looks like up close, they could not state that the Bust was 100% accurate. Just a thought.

[FrankenFan]

The same thought occurred to me, and while it is feasible that could be the reason, I don't think it's a valid one, simply because of the reason you state: "No one really knows what it looks like up close," so no one can unequivocally say it's not 100% accurate. (Does that make the kind of sense that doesn't?)

I'd rather have a reasonable facsimile of the medallion than none, at all.

Granted, he only wears the medallion briefy in the film and then it disappears, but virtually every Bela Lugosi Dracula model kit, action figure (okay, not the atrocity that is the Exclusive Products abomination), statue, bust, and bobble-head has the medallion and cape, including every version of the character Sideshow has produced up until this bust. It's just driving me NUTS that the medallion and cape are missing! (And it's a short drive, to begin with.)

http://www.kurtgoldzung.com/MB/mlv.jpg

[Universalrocks]

Ok, I see your point and agree with you. It may be early in the game, but Why has no one from Sideshow chimed in on this? Im sure they can only say so much when something is in production. I still to this day can not get an answer from Sideshow why the PF Frankenstein Has Blue eyes. That has always bothered me. Sorry to go off Topic but
all this just reminded me of that. lol:google

[lcummins]

I agree the medallion really adds something! I don't have to have the cape, but adding that medallion and ribbon would really make this bust pop!

[gambit]

I agree the medallion really adds something! I don't have to have the cape, but adding that medallion and ribbon would really make this bust pop!

May be it is because of the red color, which I like the most as GAMBIT red eyes :rolleyes: .
I also like it with the medallion,

[FrankenFan]

Here's my comparison. I borrowed the medallion and cape from the PF Dracula.

I really like the cape and medallion combo — the Count is feeling a bit jaunty and showing a little lining — but I'd happily settle for just the medallion. It's a terrific accent and nicely complements the logo on the base.

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/729/drclbstcpmdlln6mz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Like the Monster remarked in Bride, "Must do it!"

[camper]

Bwahaha. I'll get no Karloff and like it!

Phibes, you might like this. A guy took a Karloff bust and customized it to look like the Gogos painting from an old Famous Monsters cover. Not for everyone, but I think it's a great idea. Scroll down slowly...

http://home.comcast.net/~jcampdesign/MonsterG_1.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jcampdesign/MonsterG_2.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jcampdesign/MonsterG_5.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jcampdesign/MonsterG_3.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jcampdesign/MonsterG_4.jpg

WHOAH - EDIT - I just read that the guy who painted it is JEff Camper, who painted the Lugosi bust in Sideshow's pics. Incredible talent.

Hey Gang,

Yes, I painted the master for this piece. I also did the Gogos style
paint-up on Howard S. Studios Monster. Keep an eye out for a new
one coming soon on Howard’s new Monster!:wave

Good to hear that the Dracula piece is receiving pretty good reviews
from you all! Mr. Teves out did himself on this sculpt! It was a real
blast to paint-up, and Sideshow did an incredible job with the clothing
and the base. I don’t know what to tell you about the medallion, I just
painted the master. LOL!

Thanks!

°Jeff Camp

camper

[Anton Phibes]

Here's my comparison. I borrowed the medallion and cape from the PF Dracula.

I really like the cape and medallion combo — the Count is feeling a bit jaunty and showing a little lining — but I'd happily settle for just the medallion. It's a terrific accent and nicely complements the logo on the base.

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/729/drclbstcpmdlln6mz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Like the Monster remarked in Bride, "Must do it!"


OKAY.....NOW IT LOOKS GREAT WITH THE MEDALLION AND CAPE!!!! I WONDER IS SS CAN BE PERSUADED TO INCLUDE THOSE ON THE FINISHED PIECE????

[moonlightdrive21]

OKAY.....NOW IT LOOKS GREAT WITH THE MEDALLION AND CAPE!!!! I WONDER IS SS CAN BE PERSUADED TO INCLUDE THOSE ON THE FINISHED PIECE????

I totally agree !!!

[Michael Crawford]

Nice work, Jeff!

And I agree - he really needs the medallion and cape. Make it so, Sideshow!

[Viking28]

OKAY.....NOW IT LOOKS GREAT WITH THE MEDALLION AND CAPE!!!! I WONDER IS SS CAN BE PERSUADED TO INCLUDE THOSE ON THE FINISHED PIECE????

I WANT THAT VERSION WITH THE MEDALLION AND CAPE!!!!!!!!!! COME ON SS PLEASE INCLUDE THEM!!!!!!

[FrankenFan]

Just realized I omitted a comparison with just the cape and no medallion:

http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/8158/drclbstcpmdlln022vp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hmmm. Not bad. However:

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!!

[creecher]

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!!

Quite so. Why go this far and then drop the baton? Adding these isn't going to increase the price that much. Come on Sideshow, your Uni Monsters have always been exquisite.

UNI MONSTERS! UNI MONSTERS!! UNI MONSTERS!!!

[lcummins]

Hey FF, I borrowed one of your pics as an avatar temporarily! Let me know if that is a problem and I will replace it.

I'm starting a "Cape & Medallion Crusade"!!!! :lol

[FrankenFan]

Hey FF, I borrowed one of your pics as an avatar temporarily! Let me know if that is a problem and I will replace it.

I'm starting a "Cape & Medallion Crusade"!!!! :lol

That's not mine. It was originally posted by Lee at the Classic Horror Film Board (http://p075.ezboard.com/bmonsterkidclassichorrorforum). (See post # 39, on this board.)

If you want to use one of mine, they are in post # 47, and again in #53, right above Creecher's post. Hey, Creecher!

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!!

http://www.kurtgoldzung.com/MB/ygor_bnnr.jpg

[creecher]

G'day Frankenfan. I wont be buying these 1:1 busts, unfortunately. I'm still having trouble getting the money together for The Mummy PF. So it is out of the question, but I do see the missing cape and medallion as an incredulous oversight and hope there is time for this to be remedied, through the licensor, and artists and administration concerned.

I also hope some promising positive feedback is forthcoming from Sideshow. I envisage this process could take some time. Even stop all the wheels in motion, till a favourable outcome has been pursued to its fullest.

On a side note, as I can't afford 1:1 busts. Maybe Sideshow could do a small line of 1:1 shrunken heads. Something I might be able to afford. At least it would satisfy the head hunter in me, without breaking the bank.



CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!!

[lcummins]

That's not mine...

Opps! I meant to grap one of yours. Fixed now! :monkey3

[FrankenFan]

Opps! I meant to grap one of yours.
I beg your pardon?

(And Lonnie, you need to kick your crusade in gear. This thread is dying faster than a vampire in sunlight.)

http://www.kurtgoldzung.com/MB/cftbl.jpg

[lcummins]

I beg your pardon?

(And Lonnie, you need to kick your crusade in gear. This thread is dying faster than a vampire in sunlight.)

http://www.kurtgoldzung.com/MB/cftbl.jpg

I almost fell out of my chair laughing on that one! I should proof-read a little better in the future!!

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!

Love the Creature banner! We know it's coming... wonder if it will make SDCC???? I can be patient! I can be patient! I can be patient... I hope

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!

And to get this thread back on track... the Dracula bust will be awesome no matter what, but I really do hope Sideshow still has time to consider at least the MEDALLION, and hopefully the CAPE as well!!!

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION! :monkey5

[Migwit]

Well, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, all you "CAPEANDMEDALLION" pushers! I was PERFECTLY happy with my newly ordered Dracula 1:1 bust, when I read this thread and saw those awesome photoshopped pics of the cape and medallion! First thing I did was check eBay for Dracula medallions, just to test the waters and see if there's anything out there that I can add MYSELF!

:rolleyes: :D :lol

Bugger. Guess I'm on the "Cape and Medallion" wagon now.

Thank you all so freakin' much!

CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!

Ah, the lure of being just another sheep in the fold... :rotfl :monkey3

[lcummins]

Well, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, all you "CAPEANDMEDALLION" pushers! I was PERFECTLY happy with my newly ordered Dracula 1:1 bust, when I read this thread and saw those awesome photoshopped pics of the cape and medallion! First thing I did was check eBay for Dracula medallions, just to test the waters and see if there's anything out there that I can add MYSELF!

:rolleyes: :D :lol

Bugger. Guess I'm on the "Cape and Medallion" wagon now.

Thank you all so freakin' much!

CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!

Ah, the lure of being just another sheep in the fold... :rotfl :monkey3

You will obey! Dracula commands it!!

Now if we got all the Crusaders together and everyone sent emails to Sideshow for medieval Kurgan, CAPE AND MEDALLIONS, Giles, more Apes, etc. we might be a force to be reckoned with!!!! :lol

[HerryGrail]

FrankenFan alerted me to this board...I am a huge SideShow fan and would never presume to formally alter or challenge the work of a master sculptor, but over at CHFB we've been talking about the eyes and other features, so just for fun I did a little Photoshopping to the head and face of FrankenFan's excellent cape and medallion bust...does it answer any of your concerns? I also have another over there with fuller lips.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/181/dracthreequartoriglips8yr.jpg

[Darklord Dave]

:welcome Herry!

And Photoshop Nitpick is one of our favorite sports!

But I'm having difficulty seeing the difference - perhaps a side by side and a bit larger?

[lcummins]

:welcome Herry!

And Photoshop Nitpick is one of our favorite sports!

But I'm having difficulty seeing the difference - perhaps a side by side and a bit larger?

He darkened the lips, lengthened the nose, and I think darkened the eyes or eyebrows??

And yes, welcome to the board!!! :D

[Anton Phibes]

If I have to settle for one I am going to go with medallion. If we get neither I am still going to go coo-coo for coa-coa puffs because I think the bust rocks. When I was a kid I would've wet myself just to see these...much less own them. Heck, I may have wet myself when I saw the preview pics anyway and now I am an adult. :rotfl :rotfl

[Universalrocks]

I feel Like Dr. Frankenstein. What monster have I created, by mentioning the lack of a Medallion. Im sure Sideshow will Now put me on their Hit list of Troublesome fans, lol. But like a small Child I will deny that it was me who broke the lamp. And at least I did not mention the missing Cape. But count me in on the Campaign!:google

CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!

[creecher]

You will obey! Dracula commands it!!

Now if we got all the Crusaders together and everyone sent emails to Sideshow for medieval Kurgan, CAPE AND MEDALLIONS, Giles, more Apes, etc. we might be a force to be reckoned with!!!! :lol

Don't go along with that idea but I do think a stand alone campaign has a better chance of being noticed, so I do like the sentiment.

This bust isn't in the same category as dormant lines or promised figures, or of what could be. This item is going ahead, and any promising outcome needs an immediate response. I wont be buying it, so my voice is mute. I would say the best chance is from those that have a pre-order in, that can verify their committed obligation to having the bust. They speak with the loudest voice. A bombardment from the masses means little. I don't mean threats of cancellation either, surely the addition of these items is well within reason, and their inclusion may raise the number of pre-orders and the edition size, warranting a small delay to the first quarter of 2007.

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!!

[HerryGrail]

Here are some of the pics from CHFB. This a little touch up on the head-on shot:
<img border=0 src="http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4724/drac4hz.jpg" /><img border=0 src="http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4518/newdrac8os.jpg" />

Below are two alternates on the three-quarter view shot. I used FrankenFan's great medallion/cape version (first image below) and did one that has the original lips (second image), and one that includes new lips (third image). These can't be shown larger since I used a screenshot of FrankenFan's medallion/cape version.

The changes to the photo above include moving the eyes closer together, reworking the lips and the indentation above them, reshaping the ear and jawline, and blending and shadowing the area between his mouth and chin so it looks more like Lugosi's, which was very distinctive. On the bottom photos, I've done the same things but also reworked the nose. Again, on the second, I've used the original lips; the only difference in the third shot is the new set of lips.

<img border=0 src="http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/5199/drac6bs.jpg" /><img border=0 src="http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/4989/dracthreequartoriglips9on.jpg" />
<img border=0 src="http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/305/dracthreequart37gw.jpg" />

[Migwit]

CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!

I just can't seem to stop myself...

CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!

Universalrocks, most of us on this board have probably been on that constantly-updating "Troublesome Fan" list at one time or another. :monkey1 I've gotten used to being under constant surveillance by Them. :monkey3

Hey, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean They're not out to get me! :cool: :D :lol

[FrankenFan]

Link to the 360 GTVR is up on the product page (http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=2915&source=home_flashAd).

If this is a production sample (left pic), comparing it to the prototype, I'm not pleased with the tailoring.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1442/drcl3609ip.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drcl3609ip.jpg) http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7985/drclprttyp9te.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drclprttyp9te.jpg)

(And it really needs that cape and medallion.)

[occulum]

whats up with the jacket being so open in the center?
almost looks as if the shirt piece is over the jacket or something.

[Viking28]

Really don't like that new look at all, and I agree he needs his cape and medallion!

[HerryGrail]

It's Bela, it's Bela!! Forget about the cape and medallion...have you noticed that now it's HIM!!!!???

Thanks, Sideshow!! Incredible transition to the perfect likeness!

[creecher]

If this is a production sample (left pic), comparing it to the prototype, I'm not pleased with the tailoring.

(And it really needs that cape and medallion.)

Looking at the production sample and the prototype side by side, I have to agree with you. The prototype looks that much more tailored. I had to go to my Bela PF to compare. The production sample would be more accurate. The white shirt, coupled with the white vest, does cover a wider area. The lack of the broad red ribbon does give the impression something is amiss. I would rather the prototype look if the medallion and cape are going to be missing.

Looking at the photoshop red ribbon, it does blend in well, but again, comparing it to my Bela PF it isn't anywhere near as wide or cover as much area. If there is no red ribbon, I am wondering why bother having the gold chain/thread, presumably for a monicle, included.

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!!

[HerryGrail]

I think the "gold chain" is shadowing from the vest.

[lcummins]

Link to the 360 GTVR is up on the product page (http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=2915&source=home_flashAd).

If this is a production sample (left pic), comparing it to the prototype, I'm not pleased with the tailoring.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1442/drcl3609ip.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drcl3609ip.jpg) http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7985/drclprttyp9te.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drclprttyp9te.jpg)

(And it really needs that cape and medallion.)

I agree... It may be more accurate as creech points out, but it just doesn't look as good as the prototype. It also makes the bust look more squat, not as tall and sleek as before. The factory paint job turned out nice on the face, and some of the "shadows" are well done and give a bit more character to the face. If they could just include the red ribbon, it would look great!

[Universalrocks]

Well to me I don't see any difference, in the two. I think because we are seeing the bust in full light, the paint job is going to look different. As for the suit, I know on Ardeth Bey that clothing is gathered at the bottom of the bust with elastic. I think if you could walk up to the bust you could adjust the jacket opening. I think when they did the 360 someone just did not adjust this. Why who knows.

[HerryGrail]

If the difference in the original posted shots and the new 360 post is just lighting, then the original shots were among the worst examples of product photography ever. At CHFB, for instance, there was a lot of discussion about how bad the likeness was and why that discouraged normally enthusiastic fans from considering purchasing it, still waiting for a dead-on Bela sculpt from another source in the future.

Heck, isn't the "poor likeness" the reason we decided to settle for a cape and medallion...the simplest ways to get the bust to actually look like Bela?

Looking at the new 360 closely, I could be convinced there actually is not a new sculpt, that it's just lighting. So now, enthused about and leaning toward buying the thing, I worry that the better likeness was achieved only through painting and lighting tricks, and that it still really looks like the original.

What do you all think??

[occulum]

my guess is that the differences would have to be lighting and paint as far as the likeness is concerned. I dont think nearly enough time has passed to make revisions to the sculpt and go through another paint-up.

[FrankenFan]

I don't think it's a new sculpt, either, and it may just be a very clever trick of the light, but I believe I can see at least two very distinct differences in the paint.

Compare the hairlines, for instance:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2496/drclbsthrln5pr.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The prototype on the left has a softer hairline, while the grab from the QTVR appears to have a harder edge and a completely different shape, particularly around the temples.

Now the lips:

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/4239/dclbstzmlps1lh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The lips on the proto (left) have a harder edge, and the upper lip is fuller and more symmetrical than the lips of the QTVR grab. Granted I zoomed-in on the QTVR for comparison, so that alone makes it softer but, the shape of the lips definitely appears to be different, at least to my aging eyes.

And, as creecher noted, that is the lead to the Count's monocle on the shirt (click the thumbnail to super-size it).

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/9134/mnclld3ji.th.jpg (http://img321.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mnclld3ji.jpg)

[Universalrocks]

Maybe they have more than one production bust.

[HerryGrail]

Apologies about the gold chain.

With you on the repaint points, FrankenFan. The lips were a major problem with the first version. I'm still thinking reworked-sculpt, though. It's just too amazingly different. How could such a perfect likeness photograph so badly that it wouldn't look like Bela? The difference in your two three-quarter shots is like night and day. The overbite is gone; the mouth is pulled in.

From Dan Rather to Bela Lugosi. Maybe someone's been listening!

[Universalrocks]

Now that I look at the photo comparison im begining to see what you mean. The hair is different on the photo to the right than the first photos of the bust on the left, and the nose also seems different. I just had to study them awhile.

[Darklord Dave]

The sculpt isn't different in any way. I'm not sure if one is a proto and one is production, but most likely any differences you're seeing are just in the lighting.

[HerryGrail]

I just can't believe a perfect likeness would lose its resemblance to the subject just because it was shot a little below and with the lighting positioned differently. But it does beg the question for me...before I spend $450, I want to know the definitive answer from Sideshow. (Please forgive me Dave, if you are connected with Sideshow. I'm too new to know.)

We've pointed out clear paint differences, at least, but Sideshow is still using the original photography in all shots except for the 360. Since they haven't updated the bust's images with the presumably newer version (if only painted differently) which was used in the 360, I'd really like some official clarification.

[creecher]

As far as I know the pictures are taken by a staff member and not a professional photographer. Which I prefer, as you get a more realistic visual, than a filtered and otherwise digitally corrected rendition, which other companies are prone to use.

With this in mind, Sideshow do a great job. Just look at our more amatuerish pics, for the most part, and compare. I learnt this myself, by shooting the photographer down and then the photographer, at the time, posted here and set me straight, to this fact. So bear this in mind, and how you would feel if you were constantly put down with negative comments. Please understand I am not commenting on your post directly HerryGrail. You aren't the only one, besides me, that has fallen into this trap.

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!!

[HerryGrail]

Thanks for your comments, Creech. I hope I haven't seemed critical; in fact, I've taken for granted that all the photos have been professionally shot, which is why I've been insistent that the difference in the early shots and the VR version is product-related.

I guess I'm also thinking that if the early glamour shots were of the same bust we're now seeing, Sideshow would never have allowed them to be posted. Tentative, wait-and-see approval at CHFB has yielded to snowballing criticism. Replacement of the original shots with ones that look like the 360 may be the only way to shift the tide, whether the 360 bust is the same or not.

Are you saying that the VR images are not professionally shot, and that's why they look like Lugosi? I'm not sure I follow. Thanks again.

[creecher]

Hello Herry. Thanks. I was hoping I wasn't sounding too strong, so glad we are on the same level. I was just making a general comment of the standard stills on the Sideshow website. I have no knowledge of how the 360 shots are taken. A somewhat more complicated shoot and lighting would undoubtedly be needed.

It is obvious that the comparison pics in Frankenfans post No:81 are of two different busts. That can be seen from the bow tie and outfitting alone. The lighting, shadows and background plays a part in what we are seeing and I daresay there have been slight tweeks. I can never tell what to expect until I get the actual product in hand. I would like to see all photo's marked, especially the final production pic. Updated pics are slipped in without notification. I find that to be confusing in itself. People pre-order on what is shown early on, and some differences may go unnoticed. I would prefer no pics were shown till the product is finalised. That doesn't work in reality, as early pics lead to much discussion as can be seen in this thread. Hopefully, this aids Sideshow to make further positive changes, time permitting. This doesn't mean changes can be expected either, so I can only really say

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!!

because I believe that to be the major change required.

[HerryGrail]

Thanks Creech. I would be happy simply with clear indication when a new version, with even a minor change, is being shown. They actually notify us when a new image is available; why not at least also mention there's been a change, and in what (as not all are as obvious as the re-positioned lapels)? Then we'd know whether it was a lighting illusion or a subtle adjustment we were seeing.

I think our presence on this board shows a certain appreciation of detail (so much nicer to say than "OCD"), and when you combine that with higher-priced products, decisions will be made based on those details.

[creecher]

I reckon your right. Any pics are good pics, and it would be nice to know that there have been changes, if any. Maybe if the pics were dated it would be easy to tell that some change had been made. The point I think you are making is, in this instance, the turnaround product is different from the stills shown.

I went and had a look at my 1/6 Bela bust, included with the legacy DvD's, and, it too has the same styling as the 360 turnaround. So I daresay the 360 is more accurate as to what product you are likely to be getting. I like the fact that the 1/6 Bela bust includes the.........

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!!

.......minus the cape. I just like saying ....

CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!!

[creecher]

Looks like there will be no CAPE AND MEDALLION! CAPE AND MEDALLION!! CAPE AND MEDALLION!!! as Lonnie has informed us in the number 10 post of this thread.
http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10808

Please read it as he conveyed some interesting comments.

I was at least pleased to see the bust on display at the Con, did not reflect the turnaround on Sideshows website, but rather the still pics.

[SideshowDusty]

I like this one but the only 1:1 monster bust I would seriously consider getting would be Frankenstein.


psst, mlarsen, clean out your PM box, I'm trying to respond to you :)

[occulum]

psst, mlarsen, clean out your PM box, I'm trying to respond to you :)
now whispering is just plain ol rude!! :p

[Anton Phibes]

psst, mlarsen, clean out your PM box, I'm trying to respond to you :)




Well I hope its something personal like an invite to lunch or something because if it has anyhting to do with what he said about Frankenstein's Monster as a 1:1 and we are witnessing some insider info here I am going to get my torches and villager mob right now, I tell yas.:lol :rotfl :D

[sueworld]

This bust isn't bad, but I feel what really lets it down is the 'bland' paintwork.

If it had been shaded better I feel it would have helped bring this sculpt around a great deal. Still very nice work though.

By the way here's a photo of my friends Bela life size sculpt that he did for Madam Tussaurds for a full size figure that was put on display in the states a while back. This image is of the clay just before final finishing.

The likness was approved by the Lugosi family and they went to see it unveiled at the opening. Tussaurds were sent one of Lugosis original costumes which the family still owned for them to copy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/sueworld2003/bela.jpg

[Anton Phibes]

OOOOOOHHHHH...THAT'S NIIIIIICE.:monkey5

[sueworld]

Lovely isn't it, even in this unfinished state.

I just wish I had some photo's of the finished wax cast.

[Bannister]

Edition size has been set at 250.

[Anton Phibes]

WOW. Only 250 of Bela??????????? BELA. B-E-L-A??????? Well, I suppose it goes without saying that there really are only a select few of us who are willing to pay a pile of cash for a lifesize monster head. A lifesize monster head? God, that sounds dorky.:mwaha :pow

[Universalrocks]

My Friends joke with me, they call them Doll Heads.:lol They don't understand my collecting at all. They think it all about the Halloween Holiday, even tho I have explaned it a million times.

[lcummins]

WOW. Only 250 of Bela??????????? BELA. B-E-L-A??????? Well, I suppose it goes without saying that there really are only a select few of us who are willing to pay a pile of cash for a lifesize monster head. A lifesize monster head? God, that sounds dorky.:mwaha :pow

That's actually good news! Remember Ardeth Bey was limited to only 100 pieces, so Bela may be selling better than Ardeth did! Any improvement in sales which will help keep the line going is a good thing! :lol

[Bannister]

Hopefully this means there will be 40 SSE Draculas to go around.:D

[HerryGrail]

Just saw the images from the convention. This is fantastic!

Thank you, Sideshow.

[Dave mack]

Tried to read this whole thread and my mind is reeling... So, no cape and medallion? He looks like a Turkish waiter!:rolleyes:

[Anton Phibes]

Well, as a turkish waiter if he brings soup with a fly in it...he could feed Renfield!!:D :rotfl

I think the bust looks groooooooooovvvvvyyyyy!!!

[Dave mack]

Oh I completely agree that it looks great, it's just Drac in his dinner theater mode, Bela at the Oscars. I want Dracula in the castle, fully decked out.
Speaking of Drac, the upcoming anniversary DVD says "fully remastered". Does anyone know? The previous ones looked awful, even for an old film.

:)