Civil War

[hairlesswookiee]

anyone here read any of the story yet?? ive decided to get back into the comics scene and at a visit at my local comic shop the guy working there told me this is the story to start with. today i bought the amazing spiderman #529-532, Front Line #1, Wolverine 42, and Civil War #1. the guy was extremely excited when talking about it and its getting my hopes up so i just wanted to know what some of your thoughts on this were.

[carbo-fation]

Never hear about the "Civil War" comics. I am going to the comic book store tomorrow so I'll check it out then.

[tomandshell]

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-lottofun9/files/civilwar.gif

[Shai Hulud]

Actually, I heard the whole Cvil war story and angle are quite good...could someone care to resume what has happened since issue # 1 :confused: :confused:

[hairlesswookiee]

ill let you guys know tomorrow im gonna read them all tonight. the 2 issues come out soon so hopefully this saga will bring me back into the game.

[moebius9]

Fueled by the massacre of 600+ civilians during the taping of a reality TV show starring the New Wariors the Government of the United States pushes through a legislative act forcing all superpowered people to "register" with the Government thus revealing their identities and powers and becoming glorified civil servants accountable for their actions.

This tears the Super Community into two sides, thus the Civil War. Those who don't register become outlaws and those that do are expected to hunt down those that do not. Etc.

So far the lead in has been very interesting reading. I recommend it to all.

[King Darkness]

Fueled by the massacre of 600+ civilians during the taping of a reality TV show starring the New Wariors the Government of the United States pushes through a legislative act forcing all superpowered people to "register" with the Government thus revealing their identities and powers and becoming glorified civil servants accountable for their actions.

This tears the Super Community into two sides, thus the Civil War. Those who don't register become outlaws and those that do are expected to hunt down those that do not. Etc.

So far the lead in has been very interesting reading. I recommend it to all.

That sounds cool....I've been out of the comic scene for a few years now..I think the last time is was around was back in the days Wolverine still had his bone claws...damn that was along time ago..

[hairlesswookiee]

yeah ive read the three amazing spiderman books that lead up to it and its bee a page turner so far. i like it!!!

[Darklord Dave]

Is it collected in HC or trade yet?

[Hightreker]

No trades yet Dave, it's just begun it's year long run. I've been picking up all the Civil War titles so far. I thought House of M was kind of a dissapointment, but I really think Civil War is gonna be good. The New Avengers issue comes out this week, you might want to pick it up too.

[Darklord Dave]

Damn, I hate these waits for trades. I'm really curious about the new Crisis and 52 at DC - but damned if they're going to drag me to a comic shop once a week. I waited on House of M (yeah, a disappointment), guess I'll have to wait on these too.

[hairlesswookiee]

well, after reading the first 7 books of this line so far---YES!! this is gonna rock. im gonna go later this week and tell the comic shop to reserve every issue in this storyline for me. i hate to spoil things, but Captain America goes against the government??? this is gonna be serious

[TOE]

well, after reading the first 7 books of this line so far---YES!! this is gonna rock. im gonna go later this week and tell the comic shop to reserve every issue in this storyline for me. i hate to spoil things, but Captain America goes against the government??? this is gonna be serious

oh you killed it for me man!!! i was going to pick it up on Monday!!! ......:rotfl

Any recommendation on new comics? I just checked out the Transformers vs GI Joe line and :angrycanu ...

[Azog]

Great lead in Civil War #1, and the cool factor is the guys you would think would be for regsitration are not and vice versa...#1 really showed why Cap. America is da Man!

[Hightreker]

Yeah issue #1 was great. I've read all of the Civil War stories so far and the only one I've really not enjoyed has been She-Hulk, although I never really liked the character in the first place.

[hairlesswookiee]

Great lead in Civil War #1, and the cool factor is the guys you would think would be for regsitration are not and vice versa...#1 really showed why Cap. America is da Man!

yeah i loved that!!! cap america is such a B.A.!!! wolverine looks so different from what i remember him as a kid.

[hairlesswookiee]

Yeah issue #1 was great. I've read all of the Civil War stories so far and the only one I've really not enjoyed has been She-Hulk, although I never really liked the character in the first place.

im gonna go get she-hulk anyways, i want to read every comic that has tie-ins to the story so i know whats going on with it. i never liked she-hulk, spider-woman, or any of the other female heroes that are basically rip-offs of the male counterparts.

[carbo-fation]

Could someone tell me the comic issues in which the civil war is taken place, i.e Spiderman #?, or Avenger # ?.


Thanks

[Hightreker]

Yeah I felt the same way about the female counterparts, but I'll pick all of them up too. Oh and Carbo, here's a whole checklist, I would do it myself, but there's alot of em.

http://www.marvel.com/news/-1.318

[hairlesswookiee]

Yeah I felt the same way about the female counterparts, but I'll pick all of them up too. Oh and Carbo, here's a whole checklist, I would do it myself, but there's alot of em.

http://www.marvel.com/news/-1.318

thanks, i dont fee like typing all that up either. monday im gonna run up to the comic shop and reserve all the title mentioned in the list.

[hairlesswookiee]

this is my new desktop background:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/hairlesswookiee/CivilWar.jpg

[wookilar8]

this is my new desktop background:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/hairlesswookiee/CivilWar.jpg

I was at Wizard World Philadelphia last weekend and saw the pencil artwork of this...........PHENOMENAL! Micheal Turner was selling it, along with tons of his pencil artwork, and the lastest bid for it was $3,000.

[hairlesswookiee]

nice. my brother could draw that with no problem. im still waiting for him to draw me a movie sized poster of mace windu fighting palpatine in the office. it might take him 10 years to get around to it though.

[Hightreker]

Wow, your brother must be quiet the artist, do you have any of his work you could show?

[carbo-fation]

Could anyone tell me in what Issues/comics all the civil war takes place, i.e Volume#. I read some info about it at http://www.marvel.com/universe/Main_Page and I want to pick it up as well.

[Natrix]

Could anyone tell me in what Issues/comics all the civil war takes place, i.e Volume#. I read some info about it at http://www.marvel.com/universe/Main_Page and I want to pick it up as well.


http://www.marvel.com/universe/Civil_War

All the issues/titles are listed on the right side of the page.

[Azog]

Issue 2 hits shelves tomorrow

[hairlesswookiee]

Wow, your brother must be quiet the artist, do you have any of his work you could show?

ill have him send me some pics and upload them this weekend.

[carbo-fation]

Could anyone tell me in what Issues/comics all the civil war takes place, i.e Volume#. I read some info about it at http://www.marvel.com/universe/Main_Page and I want to pick it up as well.

Oops! Didn't see those there. THanks a lot.

[hairlesswookiee]

Civil War #2 is out today!!!! i went and picked it up on my lunch break. will be reading tonight before dinner. :emperor

[Bonehead15]

I can't believe what they did to Spider-Man in CW#2!!!

This is going to really ruin his character. Thanks Quesada.:rolleyes: Sometimes I wish Jemas was back in charge of Marvel.

[TOE]

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU GUYS FOR??

[TOE]

i'm for Capt. America and his gang. CW #2 is great. the ending was really surprising. Can't wait for the 3rd one. when is it coming out??

[hairlesswookiee]

WHICH SIDE ARE YOU GUYS FOR??


im for Captain America and his crew!!!! after seeing him in part one i have no doubt he can kick iron man's butt all over the place.

[TOE]

im for Captain America and his crew!!!! after seeing him in part one i have no doubt he can kick iron man's butt all over the place.

how about Fantastic 4 vs the Young Avengers? I think this will be a fair fight. great choice in characters too.

[carbo-fation]

I am looking at CW#1 and CW#2 on ebay. What is their retail price?

[TOE]

I am looking at CW#1 and CW#2 on ebay. What is their retail price?

i got my CW #2 for $3.22. Waiting for 2 weeks for the 1st one. It sold out at my comic store. :monkey2

[hairlesswookiee]

i got my CW #2 for $3.22. Waiting for 2 weeks for the 1st one. It sold out at my comic store. :monkey2

you serious??? there were plenty at my comic store. want me to send one to you?? it would arrive way earlier than 2 weeks.

[TOE]

you serious??? there were plenty at my comic store. want me to send one to you?? it would arrive way earlier than 2 weeks.

THANKS man but i already got them on reserve so I don't think i can cancel them now. I know, 2 weeks is tooo long but its all good. I'll just read other one's.

Did you happen to find a variant cover? At my store they were worth $75 :monkey4

[hairlesswookiee]

yeah he had one in the display case, but there wasnt a price one it. it is such a great picture. maybe they will sell a poster of it.

[tomandshell]

Civil War is getting headlines:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060614/ennew_afp/afpentertainmentusbookscomicsspiderman

[Hightreker]

Wow, #2 was great! I loved the scene with Cap and the New Avengers....can't wait till next month!

[hairlesswookiee]

Wow, #2 was great! I loved the scene with Cap and the New Avengers....can't wait till next month!

hey are you just reading the Civil War book or the cross-over books as well?? just curious as im trying to read them all so i dont miss anything.

[TOE]

hey are you just reading the Civil War book or the cross-over books as well?? just curious as im trying to read them all so i dont miss anything.

i'm going to my comic shop on friday and try to get all the cross overs while waiting for part 1 :monkey2 WHEN IS PART 3 OUT?!!!!

[hairlesswookiee]

i have it listed as july.. so im guessing this time next month??

[carbo-fation]

i got my CW #2 for $3.22. Waiting for 2 weeks for the 1st one. It sold out at my comic store. :monkey2

I checked out ebay and they are going for well over $30. Why???

[Hightreker]

I'm reading them all, but I was refering to Civil War #2 with the scene about Cap and the New Avengers.

[TOE]

I checked out ebay and they are going for well over $30. Why???

you must be looking at the variant covers. the regular covers have white lower portion. you should PM Hairless and maybe he can help you out. My store is out of #1's.

[carbo-fation]

you must be looking at the variant covers. the regular covers have white lower portion. you should PM Hairless and maybe he can help you out. My store is out of #1's.

I bought number two but my store is out of #1 as well! :monkey2


Edit: Is it worth while to buy all the tie-in/related issues?

Related/Tie-In Issues
Amazing Spider-Man #529-538, New Avengers: Illuminati #1, Fantastic Four #536-537, Black Panther #18, Cable & Deadpool #30-32, Captain America #22-24, Daily Bugle: Civil War Edition, Fantastic Four #538-543, Heroes For Hire #1-3, Iron Man #13-14, Ms. Marvel #6-8, New Avengers #21-25, Punisher War Journal #1-3, She-Hulk #8, Thunderbolts #103-105, Wolverine #42-47, X-Factor #8-9, Civil War: Opening Shot Sketchbook

[Hightreker]

It's not necessary to get them all, but most of them are good reads. My store also has a bunch of #1's left if anyone wants one or lives in the Atlanta area.

[carbo-fation]

Well I live in Southern PA. A bit far from Atlanta!:monkey2

[Hightreker]

Lol, sorry I guess it is. I might be able to send you one if you still need it. Also, Aspen Comics still has there exclusive cover in stock at there website. It's $20 bucks, but still a very cool cover.

[hairlesswookiee]

Lol, sorry I guess it is. I might be able to send you one if you still need it. Also, Aspen Comics still has there exclusive cover in stock at there website. It's $20 bucks, but still a very cool cover.

just looked at the cover and it is very cool. i just want the variant of number one though.. no autograph just the book.

[Duckgoo]

I can't believe what happened to Spidey at the end of CW#2.

This is HUGE!!! How are they ever going to fix this after CW is over???

Also, how come Daredevil is in Cap's crew? I thought he is in prison if you follow his comic. :confused:

[TOE]

I don't read the Daredevil line but you make a good point Duckgoo. Maybe later on it will be unveiled as to how he got out.

what I know for sure is ...........I CAN'T WAIT FOR CW # 3. :emperor

[hairlesswookiee]

what I know for sure is ...........I CAN'T WAIT FOR CW # 3. :emperor

oh yeah!!! i cant wait either, my comic guy is gonna call me when my new issues come in.

[carbo-fation]

Are you guys also reading the following: Civil War: Front Line #1-10, Civil War: X-Men #1-4, Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #1-4

I am just curious because I am going to ask my comic book guy to order me all the issues that have been released so far.

[Hightreker]

Out of all of the one's you named only Front Line #1 is out yet. I know I'll be reading them all as they come out though.

[carbo-fation]

Out of all of the one's you named only Front Line #1 is out yet. I know I'll be reading them all as they come out though.

oh cool...thanks for letting me know. I guess the auction on ebay were just for preorders.

[Darklord Dave]

I can't believe I'm reading comic book spoilers on the front page of every news outlet there is!

They spoiled the whole "Superman died" thing for me too!:monkey4

[carbo-fation]

I was suprised as well that yahoo news spoiled the best twist in the civil war arc so far.

[Darth Caedus]

I was suprised as well that yahoo news spoiled the best twist in the civil war arc so far.

I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking of buying the series up to date, but yahoo just ^^^^^**** ruined the big twist for me. Thanks yahoo !!

[hairlesswookiee]

not that i want to find out, but where was this spoiler found so i make sure to avoid it???

[Hightreker]

Marvel's frontpage, Yahoo, and USA Today where all of the one's I think said anything about it.

[Darklord Dave]

It was on Reuters or AP, so other news sources could have picked it up too. I read it on IMDB.

[TOE]

so i guess this story is getting much publicity ha?!! :monkey1 much like the Death of Superman.

[hairlesswookiee]

so i guess this story is getting much publicity ha?!! :monkey1 much like the Death of Superman.

who?? j/k... i've already got my tickets for the midnight showing of Superman!!! im on my way to pick these up from my comic shop in 10minutes. can someone tell me what the House of M is about???

[Hightreker]

*Spoilers* House of M was about the events after Avengers: Dissassembled. Basically the Scarlet Witch went crazy and created an alternate reality where Mutants ruled over humans. The thing was only Wolverine and this one other little girl had a memory of the world before. So basically from then on out they were trying to get heroes memories back so they could take down the Scarlet Witch and convert the world back like it used to be. I never really read the books after, but I think after the world went back, hundreds of mutants were without there powers, and Charles Xavier couldn't be found. Someone please correct me if I was wrong anywhere.

[Mithrandier]

To inlude some more spoilers regarding Hightreker's spoilers in regards to HoM and Deadly Genesis:

Quicksilver was behind the change...........

Wolverine wound up having all of his memories as a result when the world was changed back...........

Charles Xavier can walk, but is a mutant no more..........

Hawkeye is alive and running amok.................

Wanda is alive and hiding out somewhere........

Magneto has no powers............

Polaris had no powers.............

Iceman subconsciously suppressed his but they have returned..........

Archangel or Angel has supposidly lost his wings, all but nubs like Gabriel in the Constantine movie.........

Chamber lost his powers....................

That is all i can think of at this time.............

[Booyah!]

.........and the energy and powers removed from the all the mutants that are now left powerless has ended up in one man who is kicking some major butt over in the pages of the New Avengers.

Apparently no one can stop him, and it has been eluded that he is working his way toward the Scarlet Witch.....

[willrulethemall]

I've bought alot of comic books but haven't even read them yet. I haven't even read Avengers Disassembed or House Of M or the many events happening in DC and Marvel. It's interesting to see what's been going on. The only thing I've read was Infinite Crisis, which disappointing in the last few books.

I'm looking for those Michael Turner variant covers of Civil War, but I ain't paying $100 cdn for #1 or $60 cdn for #2. Nor am I an ebay fan.

[carbo-fation]

I've bought alot of comic books but haven't even read them yet. I haven't even read Avengers Disassembed or House Of M or the many events happening in DC and Marvel. It's interesting to see what's been going on. The only thing I've read was Infinite Crisis, which disappointing in the last few books.

I'm looking for those Michael Turner variant covers of Civil War, but I ain't paying $100 cdn for #1 or $60 cdn for #2. Nor am I an ebay fan.

Ebay might be your only good option though!!

[hairlesswookiee]

I'm looking for those Michael Turner variant covers of Civil War, but I ain't paying $100 cdn for #1 or $60 cdn for #2. Nor am I an ebay fan.

i hear you on that one. the only variant i want to buy is for issue #1. my comic shop has an autographed one for $65 and im very tempted everytime i go in there.

[willrulethemall]

i hear you on that one. the only variant i want to buy is for issue #1. my comic shop has an autographed one for $65 and im very tempted everytime i go in there.

yeah, my comic book shop is selling an autographed one for $150 cdn.

[Hightreker]

I'm pysched, I just called my comic shop and there holding me a variant of #2. Best part is, it's only 20 bucks!

[hairlesswookiee]

I'm pysched, I just called my comic shop and there holding me a variant of #2. Best part is, it's only 20 bucks!

cool beans!!! try to get them all if you can, im sure they will be very valuable someday.

[TOE]

my store is selling the variant #1 for $75, better than $105 :google

[Hightreker]

my store is selling the variant #1 for $75, better than $105 :google

Is it the sketch cover? My store the sketch cover for $75, I was gonna get it too but my friend beat me to it.

[carbo-fation]

:monkey2 I was thinking about going to evilbay but there are a lot of people bidding on those items!

[TOE]

Is it the sketch cover? My store the sketch cover for $75, I was gonna get it too but my friend beat me to it.

is the sketch cover worth more?? because they had the non sketch cover.

[Hightreker]

Yeah, the sketch is packed 1:75 and the variant is 1:20

[carbo-fation]

So finally got my CW#1 issue and I started to read it. But it feels very awkward because I've been reading japanese manga for the past six years and they read from right to left. I still have to get used to the good old American way! :D

[hairlesswookiee]

So finally got my CW#1 issue and I started to read it. But it feels very awkward because I've been reading japanese manga for the past six years and they read from right to left. I still have to get used to the good old American way! :D

i just started reading Manga a few months ago. its very wierd reading the different ways.... sometimes i get confused and read the same page a couple times.

[Mithrandier]

I do not read Daredevil.................but on Friday, Joe Quesada made a statement that may have told who is wearing the DD outfit in Hell's Kitchen right now with Matt Murdock being in jail. Pretty interesting....................

[Darth Kustomizer]

I do not read Daredevil.................but on Friday, Joe Quesada made a statement that may have told who is wearing the DD outfit in Hell's Kitchen right now with Matt Murdock being in jail. Pretty interesting....................

So who was named and how lame was it?

[Mithrandier]

Possible spoiler warning:






Joe Q. was asked that since the new Hawkeye had already been confirmed, would we be seeing the old Hawkeye, Clint Barton anytime soon. His answer to that was thet you should be seeing more of Clint by years end and that although he does not know where he has been, he is sure to be having a devil of a time.

I took that as possibly meaning that he might be the one behind the mask at this time while Matt is in jail. Why else would he say a devil of a time? Pure speculation on my part.

[Darth Caedus]

just picked up civil war #1 and #2 this week and it was great. question: are all the other issues associated with civil war worth getting? it's quite a lot.

[carbo-fation]

just picked up civil war #1 and #2 this week and it was great. question: are all the other issues associated with civil war worth getting? it's quite a lot.

I was debating this very same question. So now I trying to get all the issues.
They are a lot but they add so much more to the story.

Edit: In case you are wondering about the other issues, here's what I got from marveluniverse.com.

Core Issues
Civil War #1-7, Civil War: Front Line #1-10, Civil War: X-Men #1-4, Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #1-4
Related/Tie-In Issues
Amazing Spider-Man #529-538, New Avengers: Illuminati #1, Fantastic Four #536-537, Black Panther #18, Cable & Deadpool #30-32, Captain America #22-24, Daily Bugle: Civil War Edition, Fantastic Four #538-543, Heroes For Hire #1-3, Iron Man #13-14, Ms. Marvel #6-8, New Avengers #21-25, Punisher War Journal #1-3, She-Hulk #8, Thunderbolts #103-105, Wolverine #42-47, X-Factor #8-9, Civil War: Opening Shot Sketchbook

[hairlesswookiee]

I was debating this very same question. So now I trying to get all the issues.
They are a lot but they add so much more to the story.

Edit: In case you are wondering about the other issues, here's what I got from marveluniverse.com.

Core Issues
Civil War #1-7, Civil War: Front Line #1-10, Civil War: X-Men #1-4, Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #1-4
Related/Tie-In Issues
Amazing Spider-Man #529-538, New Avengers: Illuminati #1, Fantastic Four #536-537, Black Panther #18, Cable & Deadpool #30-32, Captain America #22-24, Daily Bugle: Civil War Edition, Fantastic Four #538-543, Heroes For Hire #1-3, Iron Man #13-14, Ms. Marvel #6-8, New Avengers #21-25, Punisher War Journal #1-3, She-Hulk #8, Thunderbolts #103-105, Wolverine #42-47, X-Factor #8-9, Civil War: Opening Shot Sketchbook


wow now that i read that, there is a lot of books to get. i might have to pick and choose some of them. im definately only getting books of characters/teams that im familiar with. like i probably wont get heroes for hire,ms. marvel, she-hulk,thunderbolts, and illuminati.

[Darth Kustomizer]

Possible spoiler warning:






Joe Q. was asked that since the new Hawkeye had already been confirmed, would we be seeing the old Hawkeye, Clint Barton anytime soon. His answer to that was thet you should be seeing more of Clint by years end and that although he does not know where he has been, he is sure to be having a devil of a time.

I took that as possibly meaning that he might be the one behind the mask at this time while Matt is in jail. Why else would he say a devil of a time? Pure speculation on my part.


Thanks for the heads up.

[carbo-fation]

wow now that i read that, there is a lot of books to get. i might have to pick and choose some of them. im definately only getting books of characters/teams that im familiar with. like i probably wont get heroes for hire,ms. marvel, she-hulk,thunderbolts, and illuminati.

Actually, Illuminati and She-hulk only have one issue. She-hulk is hard to find though.

[Mithrandier]

Is everyone likeing everything up to date so far?

[hairlesswookiee]

Is everyone likeing everything up to date so far?

so far so good, just picked up the new spiderman, wolverine, xfactor today. hopefully they can continue to keep my interest.

[carbo-fation]

THis is really interesting so far. I've managed to get all the issues that have been released so far (including cross overs).

[hairlesswookiee]

THis is really interesting so far. I've managed to get all the issues that have been released so far (including cross overs).

yeah me too, so far spiderman,wolverine and civil war are my favorite of them.

[Hightreker]

I agree with wolverine, spider-man, and civil war bing the best, although I've really enjoyed the fantastic four and new avengers as well. X-Factor and Thunderbolts were my least favorites.

[hairlesswookiee]

crap!!! havent picked up the new avengers yet. but yeah the fantastic four was pretty decent too.

[carbo-fation]

I asked my Comic book guy to reserve all Civil war issues, including cross overs. I haven't missed any new ones yet.

[hairlesswookiee]

I asked my Comic book guy to reserve all Civil war issues, including cross overs. I haven't missed any new ones yet.

i did that too, but the other guy that works there lost my name?? so i had to grab the ones that i knew of. forgot all about the new avengers-- guess i have a reason to stop by next week.

[Darth Caedus]

I've just got the first 2 books of it. Too hard to catch up on all the side stories. Anybody know when #3 will come out?

[hairlesswookiee]

should be coming out next week or the week after. yeah its pretty hard to keep up with all the storylines.

[Mithrandier]

He is BAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not gonna spoil it for those who ain't read it yet..................but a character that was hinted at coming back during Civil War is back...................

[Shai Hulud]

Thor ??????

[wookilar8]

Hawkeye???

[Mithrandier]

Go to Newsarama if you wanna be spoilt.............i do not wanna ruin it fer anyone here................so be warned................

[willrulethemall]

Thor ??????

Must be Thor. He's on one of the variant cover for issue 3.

[Hightreker]

Just got back from Comic-con with are three Michael Turner variants. Also got a sketch cover of #1 for $30!!!!:chew :chew :chew :chew

Oh, and #3 was amazing, last page was awesome.

[Beren]

If you are waiting for CW to come out on trade back: why read discussions on it?! (for those crying about spoilers)

so the guy who returned, how long was he gone for and why? Where'd he go?

I am following pretty much all the CW issues but kind of stopped reading Marvel religiously after the whole Ben Reilly debacle and restart of Spider-Man... (yes, a long time ago).

I can't believe that Mjolnir-Man (come on, get your comics in a timely fashion) is on the side of the Registrants... then again he was always a conservative guy... get the Hulk in there...

My biggest complaint? I don't think the writer(s) of that issue have a handle on Spider-Man and Peter Parker's character. I found it shocking and literally unbelievable that Parker would attack Cap America. In a previous issue they showed Parker's hesitation and anxiety about going against former comrades, especially Cap. And then Spider-Man quips and kicks Cap in the face... Boo! I really feel Parker would never do that, even given the stakes. It almost seems like the writers know Parker would really be on the side of non-registrants so to throw everyone off they put him on the other side. That's cheating. I read a bit on the build-up, I don't know how Parker got involved with Stark so intimately and why Parker said he owed Stark. Tony Stark has really become unlikeable to me. He needs a serious beating. I say Wolverine needs to peel him out of his suit!

Beren

[ta2215]

Tony Stark has really become unlikeable to me. He needs a serious beating. I say Wolverine needs to peel him out of his suit!

Beren

You took the words out of my mouth, I am hating more and more IM. I can't believe he is using Spidey for all this misshap and I can't believe Peter doesn't realized his new "suit" is just an I/O source. I hope they use this CW to kill that mofo.

[hairlesswookiee]

You took the words out of my mouth, I am hating more and more IM. I can't believe he is using Spidey for all this misshap and I can't believe Peter doesn't realized his new "suit" is just an I/O source. I hope they use this CW to kill that mofo.

i never really liked iron man to begin with. just seemed too shady IMO and the suit never appealed to me at all.

[Mithrandier]

Beren, is regards to your questions and taking your point that everyone hopefully has read Civil War #3 by now.....................Just in case though.................there be spoilers ahead..............so don't say I didn't warn you.................



Thor is the one who has come back and it sounds like a good chance that the guy in the Daredevil suit is actually Iron Fist(this is only speculation as in Cable & Deadpool, Deadpool fought DD and said something to the like of Deja Vu to which he has recently fought with Iron Fist and not Hawkeye)...................

During the Avengers Disassembled arc, in his own series, Ragnorok happened is Asgard. Essentially Thor died. This was never really played out in the MU though, only in Asgard. Thor at the time also had the Odin Power, for his father had died before him. It was funny though, that during this whole time after the House of M and Avengers Disassembled, no one made any mention as to where is Thor..................not Cap, not Iron Man...........no one.

As far as Thor staying on the Pro-Reg side....................I don't see that happening.................The Sentry is supposed to battle Wolverine in Wolverine on a Shield Hellicarrier........................but I thought I read some where that Thor and Sentry battle as well......................since Sentry sounds like he is gonna be on the Pro side, I forsee Thor, as well as Spider-Man switching sides.................

And thanks to the Illuminati (Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Charles Xavier, T'Challa, Namor, Black Bolt and I think Steven Strange), the Hulk is off Planet.

[Beren]

Beren, is regards to your questions and taking your point that everyone hopefully has read Civil War #3 by now.....................Just in case though.................there be spoilers ahead..............so don't say I didn't warn you.................


As far as Thor staying on the Pro-Reg side....................I don't see that happening.................The Sentry is supposed to battle Wolverine in Wolverine on a Shield Hellicarrier........................but I thought I read some where that Thor and Sentry battle as well......................since Sentry sounds like he is gonna be on the Pro side, I forsee Thor, as well as Spider-Man switching sides.................

And thanks to the Illuminati (Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Charles Xavier, T'Challa, Namor, Black Bolt and I think Steven Strange), the Hulk is off Planet.

yeah I know I read that issue, I just felt like he should come back... :)

So please answer me this, when/how did Parker get more closely involved with Stark? How long had Stark known about Parker's secret identity? Why does Parker feel like he owes Stark and trust him even though everything in him apparently screams out that he is on the wrong side? Spider-Man switching sides? That idea gives me hope!! :o

How long was Thor gone? I mean in 'real' time?

So you think Thor is pretending to be on the side of the government? Guess we will find out on Wednesday!

Beren

[Mithrandier]

I wouldn't say pretending, just miss-informed. Once he gets to talk with Cap.......hopefully talk with Cap................that cover of him burstin thru Cap's shield looks a little scary with someone big supposidly going to die next issue.

He has been gone for 21 issues of new avengers at least.

We really need to see what happened in between DB picking up the hammer in FF and Thor's appearance in CW #3.

Iron Man and Spidey started right after "The Other" story where Spider-Man changed and now has real web shooters. But I think it really took off from their relationship with the New Avengers maybe. Not sure on that one. I do know that Peter works for Stark now.

[Duckgoo]

Anyone feels that the Pro-Registration side is too powerful compared to the Anti-Reg side.

In the Pro camp, we have the Sentry, Iron Man, Fantastic 4, Ms Marvel, Wonder Man, Spidey just to name a few. Maybe even Thor.

In the Anti camp, we have Cap America (essentially no powers), Cloak/Dagger, Hercules, Young Avengers, etc...

It seems in a fair fight, like issue 3, the Anti camp will get beaten to a pulp every time. I wonder why Marvel was so lopsided with the power balance?

But the Civil War storyline is one of the best comics storyline that I have seen in a long time. Thanks Marvel!!!

[Mithrandier]

It does seem loppsided, but I think things are gonna change.

Oh, read Wolverine last night.................and some people from the water are upset about one Princess being killed but Nitro. Somebody is upset, and there is gonna be some hell to pay. Just sucks that Wolverine may be the first one to get thrown down on by the water people.

[Azog]

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Its not Thor at all but Donald Blake clone in order to full the Hammer.....just something picked off of Newsarama...

[Azog]

Anyone feels that the Pro-Registration side is too powerful compared to the Anti-Reg side.

In the Pro camp, we have the Sentry, Iron Man, Fantastic 4, Ms Marvel, Wonder Man, Spidey just to name a few. Maybe even Thor.

In the Anti camp, we have Cap America (essentially no powers), Cloak/Dagger, Hercules, Young Avengers, etc...

It seems in a fair fight, like issue 3, the Anti camp will get beaten to a pulp every time. I wonder why Marvel was so lopsided with the power balance?

But the Civil War storyline is one of the best comics storyline that I have seen in a long time. Thanks Marvel!!!


No Worries there more then enuff mutants are starting to go towards the anti side, inlcuding some of the Originals, and whether or not any agrees, Cyclops when pushed is still one of the most powerful X-Men...




And I know Marvel has said it over and over, with Hulk being outta the picture, you just gotta think that somewhere along the way he is gonna come in and play a role....

[Mithrandier]

Gawd..................for some reason deep down Azog...............I hope that the Newsarama news was a joke.

How can the hammer be back???????????????????? And no chance of Thor...........could the hammer withstand Ragnorak? Hopefully if that is the case..............the real Thor will come outta the wood work and annihilate the clone. God I hope so..................

[Azog]

Gawd..................for some reason deep down Azog...............I hope that the Newsarama news was a joke.

How can the hammer be back???????????????????? And no chance of Thor...........could the hammer withstand Ragnorak? Hopefully if that is the case..............the real Thor will come outta the wood work and annihilate the clone. God I hope so..................


Well that all stems from the heated debate we are having, how in the world could Thor be pro, unless they are being mislead.....hopefully most folks have read Fantastic Four issues with the hammer coming back....

[Duckgoo]

Right now, as of issue 3, Thor is on the Pro-Registration side. Shield and Iron Man called him Operation Lightning, or something to that effect.

In FF Civil War, some dude (don't know who) picked up the Thor's hammer which crash landed in middle America bringing with it Dr. Doom. This storyline seems too outlandish to me even for Marvel.

[Duckgoo]

No Worries there more then enuff mutants are starting to go towards the anti side, inlcuding some of the Originals, and whether or not any agrees, Cyclops when pushed is still one of the most powerful X-Men...




And I know Marvel has said it over and over, with Hulk being outta the picture, you just gotta think that somewhere along the way he is gonna come in and play a role....

Good point! I forgot about the 198 and the Hulk. I think they will turn the tables soon.

Can't believe Iron Man almost killed Captain America. They were friends for eons!!! They were part of the Avengers going way way back!! I just don't buy it that Tony would hit the Captain so hard. Given, if Tony wanted to, he could vaporize Captain America.....but that brawl was brutal. Spiderman also attacked the Captain which I don't buy as well. I am starting to sway to the Anti-Registration side and cheer for the underdogs.

What chance does a regular guy with no powers like Captain America have against Iron Man with Extremis???

[Mithrandier]

It was kind of a bummer to read the spoilers as to who the fake Daredevil is runnin 'round...................wanted it to be the other guy...................

[Mithrandier]

I highly doubt the Hulk will be back so soon..............seeing as how things don't seem to be ending on Planet Hulk anytime soon(just reading the reviews, not the book).

Sentry has yet to pop in...............but according to the solicits, he will be pro. So the reall Thor has gotta be on Cap's side....................

[Beren]

Read SpiderMan 534 today... my hopes for Spidey are up... his inner conflict bared for the reader.

I'm guessing though that this issue takes place BEFORE CW#3? Would have been helpful to read that issue before #3... Spidey and Cap already traded fisticuffs one-on-one in #534. And the moment is SO cool when a speck of distrust starts to arise in Peter about Tony Stark, in how Iron Man is utilizing Spider-Man and Peter asks why Tony is using him in a certain way vs how Peter would have handled the situation (readers will know what I'm talkin' about).

Beren

[Beren]

Hey did anyone check out The Colbert Report last night? Joe Quesada was the guest and they talked all about "Civil War"!!

Beren

[SolidLiquidFox]

I just read #3 last night. I've been trying to stay away from this thread but damn this is a good storyline.

Captain America has gone from goody-2-shoes recognizable icon to the forefront as one of the premier heroes in all of comics. This story had done more for his profile than the John Cassaday and the Ed Brubaker runs put together.

I think the tables will turn when the mutants realize they are next. The obvious next step is to bring the hammer down on the mutants that are left after House of M once the non-mutant metas are dealt with. That may be something that Iron Man is not aware of and will probably be forced upon him.

[Mithrandier]

Read Civil War X-Men #1..................things are already starting to mobilize on that front.................

It is about time that they turn Cap into someone to be dealt with and a leader like he should be.............

Hopefully the Hammer switches sides.......................

Have you read the latest Wolverine to see the beginning of a war on a different front...............this will spill into the main Civil War title.

[SolidLiquidFox]

I got my monthly dose of comics in the mail yesterday so I have not a chance to check out everything. I'll read Civil War Xmen and Wolverine when I get home today. :chew

I am still bummed that Spidey did not join with Cap. He is the ultimate urban everyman hero besides Daredevil.

[Hightreker]

Have you read the new Amazing Spider-Man? It's starting to look like your wish about spidey may not be that far off.

[SolidLiquidFox]

Have not read it yet...I look forward to it now :cool:

[Azog]

Read FF4 #539. Great piece for a slow week......

[Hightreker]

Can't wait to pick that one up, after Ben Grimm's role in the newest Amazing Spidey, I'm interested to see what's happening with the F4.

[Duckgoo]

I am very confused...

At the end of Civil War # 3, Thor shows up in the middle of battle.

Then, in Spiderman Civil War # 534, the battle is over and no mention of Thor and how some of the Anti-Registration heroes got captured and some didn't.

I suppose this loose end will be wrapped up in Civil War #4, but this Spiderman issue jumped the gun.

I feel like I missed an issue btw CW #3 AND Spiderman #534.

[Beren]

I am very confused...

At the end of Civil War # 3, Thor shows up in the middle of battle.

Then, in Spiderman Civil War # 534, the battle is over and no mention of Thor and how some of the Anti-Registration heroes got captured and some didn't.

I suppose this loose end will be wrapped up in Civil War #4, but this Spiderman issue jumped the gun.

I feel like I missed an issue btw CW #3 AND Spiderman #534.

I was confused at first myself, but I think 534 takes place before CW #3. Spider-Man makes a reference in 534 how Cap America doesn't know his suit yet and hits him him with one of his retractable arms, taking Cap by surprise. In CW #3, Cap tells a team mate about Spider-Man's suit's abilities, ergo... 534 chronologically before CW #3. :)

Beren

[Buttmunch]

Forgive my ignorance. I first started to hear about Civil War at SDCC. Since SDCC, my bro has really gotten back into comics. Civil War is interesting him. From what I've gathered, there is like 7 issues of "Civil War" and then it also intigrates itself into some of the other characters' comics as well? Is there a list or a website that lists all of this issues in order or at least just all of them?

From what I understand of the comic itself, Iron Man is the leader for super-power registration and Capt. America is the leader of anti-registration. The heros pick sides, and some like some X-men are neutral. Am I somewhat getting this or am I way off? :lol

Thanks for any help guys.

[Mithrandier]

Hey Buttmunch .............did I just yell that


You can get the list off of marvel's official site. They have a list of all the tie-in issues.

And yes, so far you have the basic idea. You may wanna read your bro's copies when you get a chance. It is a pretty good read.

And Azog, any idea if anyone is going to France?

[Duckgoo]

I was confused at first myself, but I think 534 takes place before CW #3. Spider-Man makes a reference in 534 how Cap America doesn't know his suit yet and hits him him with one of his retractable arms, taking Cap by surprise. In CW #3, Cap tells a team mate about Spider-Man's suit's abilities, ergo... 534 chronologically before CW #3. :)

Beren

Thanks Beren! But I could swore that the first few pages of Spiderman 534 showed the battle taking place in CW # 3. The prisoners that they were transporting in Spiderman 534 were ones taken during the battle of CW #3.

So I think that Marvel make a mistake here with the chronology. I think CW#4 will clear up the confusion.

Good catch on Spiderman's suit!!! I kinda want Marvel to keep all the CW story lines in 1 CW book. All these tangents are making my head spin.

[SolidLiquidFox]

Buttmunch,

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. I think the wild cards in this whole thing are the mutants (X-Factor already sided with Cap's side), Namor and his people, a sudden unexpected return by the Hulk or Magneto coming in and taking sides with Captain America.

[carbo-fation]

Forgive my ignorance. I first started to hear about Civil War at SDCC. Since SDCC, my bro has really gotten back into comics. Civil War is interesting him. From what I've gathered, there is like 7 issues of "Civil War" and then it also intigrates itself into some of the other characters' comics as well? Is there a list or a website that lists all of this issues in order or at least just all of them?

From what I understand of the comic itself, Iron Man is the leader for d/super-power registration and Capt. America is the leader of anti-registration. The heros pick sides, and some like some X-men are neutral. Am I somewhat getting this or am I way off? :lol

Thanks for any help guys.


Here is the official list from Marvel Universe. I actually have all of these except for She-Hulk and Illuminati.
I hope this helps!
Core Issues
Civil War #1-7, Civil War: Front Line #1-10, Civil War: X-Men #1-4, Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways #1-4
RelateTie-In Issues
Amazing Spider-Man #529-538, New Avengers: Illuminati #1, Fantastic Four #536-537, Black Panther #18, Cable & Deadpool #30-32, Captain America #22-24, Daily Bugle: Civil War Edition, Fantastic Four #538-543, Heroes For Hire #1-3, Iron Man #13-14, Ms. Marvel #6-8, New Avengers #21-25, Punisher War Journal #1-3, She-Hulk #8, Thunderbolts #103-105, Wolverine #42-47, X-Factor #8-9, Civil War: Opening Shot Sketchbook

[Buttmunch]

Thanks for all the help you guys. The list is great. I too wish they would just keep the civil war in one comic. I'll definately read my brother's when he gets them.

Who would have thought Magneto would be opposed to registration? :lol

[ffl1940]

Hadn't been in a comic shop in a long long while, but I had heard about Civil War on a few podcasts I listed to and I happened to go into a shop a few weeks back and three guys were talking about Civil War at the counter. I could hear they were all anti-registration and talking about how this was a commentary on the Patriot Act etc. Well, I like to have a little fun now and then so I said "do you think we need driver's licenses, pilot's licenses, or, dare I say it, should people have to register handguns?" All three thought those are good ideas. So then I say, "But if a comet passes over a park giving hundreds of people, from infants to the elderly, the power to level a city block with a thought, having them register that ability is unfairly infringing on their rights?" The silence was deafening! :rotfl

[Duckgoo]

Hadn't been in a comic shop in a long long while, but I had heard about Civil War on a few podcasts I listed to and I happened to go into a shop a few weeks back and three guys were talking about Civil War at the counter. I could hear they were all anti-registration and talking about how this was a commentary on the Patriot Act etc. Well, I like to have a little fun now and then so I said "do you think we need driver's licenses, pilot's licenses, or, dare I say it, should people have to register handguns?" All three thought those are good ideas. So then I say, "But if a comet passes over a park giving hundreds of people, from infants to the elderly, the power to level a city block with a thought, having them register that ability is unfairly infringing on their rights?" The silence was deafening! :rotfl

While your points are valid, there are more things to consider:

(1) Giving up your secret identity would put your loved ones in danger.

(2) Registration means being singled out because you are different. Getting a license to drive, own a gun, etc.. is ok because you choose to engage in these activites. But if you are a mutant or have superpowers like Spidey, you don't have a choice. Registration didn't go so well for the Japanese Americans interned during WWII and even worse for Jews in the Holocaust.

Once you registrated, the government owns you. Do you want to be owned by the government and be told what you have to do? Wouldn't you rather have the choice on what you would like to do with your powers?

I think both sides have valid points, it boils down to what is important to you personally and what you have to gain or lose from registration.

[Azog]

Thanks Beren! But I could swore that the first few pages of Spiderman 534 showed the battle taking place in CW # 3. The prisoners that they were transporting in Spiderman 534 were ones taken during the battle of CW #3.

So I think that Marvel make a mistake here with the chronology. I think CW#4 will clear up the confusion.

Good catch on Spiderman's suit!!! I kinda want Marvel to keep all the CW story lines in 1 CW book. All these tangents are making my head spin.


Yeah SPIDEY 534 ties in more with this week FF4

[hairlesswookiee]

Thanks for all the help you guys. The list is great. I too wish they would just keep the civil war in one comic. I'll definately read my brother's when he gets them.

Who would have thought Magneto would be opposed to registration? :lol

lol... i havent read the new ones but im looking forward to it this weekend. Magneto agains registration???

[SolidLiquidFox]

Registration didn't go so well for the Japanese Americans interned during WWII and even worse for Jews in the Holocaust.

Once you registrated, the government owns you. Do you want to be owned by the government and be told what you have to do? Wouldn't you rather have the choice on what you would like to do with your powers?


This sort of sums up why a character like Captain America knows the consequences of what registration leads to. He was there fighting during that era.

Anyone else notice how the concept behind Civil War is very similar to DC's Kingdom Come?

[Hightreker]

A question about Kingdom Come/ Civil War similarities was asked at the Civil War panel at Comic Con, but Joe Q. looked at the guy like he was crazy and said he didn't see any similarities. I've never read Kingdom Come before, but apparently you're not alone in thinking this. What similarities are there?

[SolidLiquidFox]

Kingdom Come basically is a story set in the future of the DC Universe where the classic heroes have retired and a new breed of heroes has taken over. The new heroes are more violent and have very little regard for protecting the public. If innocent folks get hurt during a battle with the bad guys so be it.

The event that sets off Kingdom Come is Captain Atom being torn open by Parasite in a clear gesture of overkill by a group of "heroes". Captain Atom's radiation killed most of Kansas and a good part of the mid western United States. This can be argued to be parallel to the Civil War destruction of the city with all the innocent people. There is also the picking of sides by heroes that side with Superman's Justice League and those that side with Batman's group.

Superman's group, similar to Civil War's registration side, arrests the heroes that are deemed dangerous while Batman's side knows that approach will lead to a disaster (which it does). Joe Quesada denying any similarities is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

[Hightreker]

That is ridiculous, sounds alot like it. Thanks for the summary, sounds pretty good. I think I've seen the figures before, did Alex Ross do the artwork?

[Buttmunch]

(1) Giving up your secret identity would put your loved ones in danger.

How many times did Mary Jane get kidnapped/attacked before she even knew Peter was Spider-Man? At least 3 in just the movies alone before she found out!

Well my brother picked up issue one and loves it. He is trying to track down the rest now and has some questions:

1) How many variant covers are out there?
2) What more does the director's cut #1 have in it? Worth getting?
3) What has been released so far?

Thanks for any replys, links, or help in general to his questions guys!

[Hightreker]

1.) There is a Mike Turner varinat cover for each one (1-3 so far) and a sketch cover (Black and white) of that variant cover. Also, for issue number 3 there is an Ed McGuinnes variant cover.

2.) I have both the regular and the directors cut of #1, and I only flipped through the directors cut, but it seems as if all it has is extra interviews and pictures of the original sketches.

3.) I'll have to get back to you on the list of all that's out so far, or mabe someone else can chime in with the complete list, but off the top of my head (including road to civil war) Amazing Spidey 528-534, Fantastic Four 536-539, New Avenegrs 22-23, Civil War 1-3, X Factor 8-9, Two issues of thunderbolts, one issue of cable and deadpool, she hulk #8, wolverine #42-44, civil war x-men #1, young avengers and runaways #1, and New Avengers illumanati.

[SolidLiquidFox]

Yeah, Kingdom Come is perhaps the highlight of Alex Ross' career in my opinion.

My advise on variant covers: do not worry about them. You can never keep up and the art for them is usually found on the hardcovers. The Director's Cuts are a good way to pick up a meatier version of a popular #1 issue instead of a second printing or a variant cover.

[Buttmunch]

Although I've only read Civil War #1, I've chosen a side. See my first sig ever! :D

[Hightreker]

Just read X-Men Civil War #2 and was very pleased. One of the best tie-ins IMO. Also read the new Ghost Rider #2 and have really been enjoying this new series. I'd deffinately recommend it.

[Mithrandier]

Civil War release dates have been pushed back. I wonder if they are changing the story any. #4 is still supposed to have a death. Something about a huge hole through someone's chest.

[Darth Caedus]

Seriously, #4 should be coming out anyday now, but they pushed back? Do you know to when they pushed em back?

[Hightreker]

Civil War release dates have been pushed back. I wonder if they are changing the story any. #4 is still supposed to have a death. Something about a huge hole through someone's chest.

AHHH!!!!!!! That's no good, but if it's for the story's sake, them I'm all for it. Death eh? And something about a hole in a chest? Hmmmmm that should be interesting.

[Buttmunch]

While I doubt the death is going to be Captain America or Iron Man, do you guys think either of them or both of them will end up dying in the end? I think Cap could, not sure about Iron Man though. Cap seems more like the guy to " die for the cause" than Iron Man.

[Mithrandier]

Updated Checklist as seen at www.uncannyxmen.net.

SEPTEMBER
CIVIL WAR #4
CIVIL WAR FILES
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #6
CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #3
CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS & RUNAWAYS #3
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #535
CABLE & DEADPOOL #32
CAPTAIN AMERICA #22
FANTASTIC FOUR #540
HEROES FOR HIRE #2
MS. MARVEL #7
NEW AVENGERS #24
WOLVERINE #46

OCTOBER
CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES (One Shot)
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #7
CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #4
CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS & RUNAWAYS #4
CAPTAIN AMERICA #23
HEROES FOR HIRE #3
IRON MAN #13
MS. MARVEL #8
NEW AVENGERS #25
WOLVERINE #47

NOVEMBER
CIVIL WAR #5
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #8
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #536
CAPTAIN AMERICA #24
FANTASTIC FOUR #541
IRON MAN #14
MOON KNIGHT #7 (Casualties of War)
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #1
WOLVERINE #48

DECEMBER
CIVIL WAR #6
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #9
BLACK PANTHER #23
CIVIL WAR: WAR CRIMES (One Shot)
IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA SPECIAL (Casualties of War)
MOON KNIGHT #8 (Casualties of War)
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #2
WINTER SOLDIER: WINTER KILLS (Casualties of War)

JANUARY 2007
CIVIL WAR #7
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #537
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #538
BLACK PANTHER #24
BLADE #5 (Casualties of War)
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #10
FANTASTIC FOUR #542
FANTASTIC FOUR #543
MOON KNIGHT #10 (Casualties of War)
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #3

FEBRUARY 2007
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #11
CIVIL WAR: BATTLE DAMAGE REPORT
BLACK PANTHER #25

In regards to Civil War #4, Joe Quesada has said "Thor kicks some major ass and one of Marvel’s biggest characters has a bad day!"..............www.newsarama.com is where the quote was taken from.
The biggest character thing might possibly mean anyone of the super heros that grow in size, not necessarily popularity. Millar has a knack for killing Giant oversized characters. Maybe Thor flies through Goliath's chest or something.

I for one am not upset with the delay. It has been stated that it is for quality reasons. They do not want a fill-in artist on a project of this magnitude. But even if they are re-writing it, so long as it has quality, I am still there.

[Hightreker]

Wow, they added a bunch of new things. Glad to see the Moon Knight and Blade thrown in there. Can't wait to see where this is going!

[DarkArtist81]

Yeah, I'm not too sore about the lateness either. As long as it remains as kickass as it has been so far I am a happy camper. This series has pushed buttons amongst fans that haven't been pushed in a long time. People are debating in comic shops all around the country, groups in every city DIVIDED right down the middle. It's what makes this story so realistic and fun to read. You can see where both sides come from, no matter where your allegiances lie.

I side with Cap on this one, though. Secret Identities are a big part of being a hero, and when you are one of the guys on the street.... you need to be able to escape it and not have your villains attacking your grandmother. Plus, I don't agree with anything that is FORCED upon someone, no matter how good it may be. When people lose their freedom of choice, I draw the line. Nothing like that should ever be controlled by the government. And not to mention that the military would start to use the superheroes as assets in their own silly oil wars.... and that is a truly scary thing to fathom.

[Buttmunch]

I thought they would expand it after finding out how much money it would make them.

[Darth Caedus]

No trades yet Dave, it's just begun it's year long run. I've been picking up all the Civil War titles so far. I thought House of M was kind of a dissapointment, but I really think Civil War is gonna be good. The New Avengers issue comes out this week, you might want to pick it up to.

Really? I thought House of M wasn't too bad. My only beef with civil war is that after #3, schedule of releases isn't keeping up. :( That just means I have to wait longer to see Thor put a lightning bolt through someone's chest. Any mark my words, spider-man will turn on iron man before the end.

[LordAzrael]

Any recommendation on new comics? I just checked out the Transformers vs GI Joe line and :angrycanu ...

I got the first 3 issues of the new Moon Knight. Very promising - but then again I was a huge fan of the prior incarnations.

*EDIT* Ah crap - just read above that issues 7-9 will be Civil war crossovers... .I hate that.

Also going to grab Star Wars Legacy

[Darth Caedus]

I want to know who removed the civil war pro/con pictures on wikipedia. I had that as my signature, but now can't have it anymore and I didn't save the picture...AHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Buttmunch feels my pain.

[Buttmunch]

I want to know who removed the civil war pro/con pictures on wikipedia. I had that as my signature, but now can't have it anymore and I didn't save the picture...AHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Buttmunch feels my pain.

Yeah I noticed they were gone yesterday/ :monkey2 Where is that Wolverine one coming from? Maybe they have Iron Man and Cap there too?

Mithrandier wanna fill us in?

[Darth Caedus]

Off TOPIC: but HA, found my picture again.

[Buttmunch]

Found mine again too just using a simple Google search.

BTW, is Wolverine neutral or on his own or what? I haven't read past CW 1 (still waiting for the rest to comee) so please forgive my ignorance.

[carbo-fation]

It seems like Wolvorine is against it! I haven't read the Wolvorine Civil War issues yet, but just glimpsed through them. I'll find out tonight!

[Hightreker]

Really? I thought House of M wasn't too bad. My only beef with civil war is that after #3, schedule of releases isn't keeping up. :( That just means I have to wait longer to see Thor put a lightning bolt through someone's chest. Any mark my words, spider-man will turn on iron man before the end.

I thought it was decent, but I was expecting more. I probablly would have liked it more if I had read all the Decimation stuff too. I only read a few of those. Oh and about spidey, I've been on that train since the beginning too, bring on the back stabbin'!!!!:viking :viking :viking

[DarkArtist81]

Yeah, it was a shocker to me that Spidey sided with Iron Man. Seemed like he would be the strongest advocate against registration. I would be 100% certain that he will eventually switch sides against Tony. Especially if other people start to get really hurt.....

I'm still wondering what will happen when this is all over!! :horror

[Buttmunch]

Yeah, it was a shocker to me that Spidey sided with Iron Man. Seemed like he would be the strongest advocate against registration. I would be 100% certain that he will eventually switch sides against Tony. Especially if other people start to get really hurt.....

I'm still wondering what will happen when this is all over!! :horror

I just hope it isn't a dream or an alternate dimension or someone is able to reverse it by going back in time or something stupid like that. For this to mean anything, things have to change permenently.

[DarkArtist81]

I just hope it isn't a dream or an alternate dimension or someone is able to reverse it by going back in time or something stupid like that. For this to mean anything, things have to change permenently.

Agreed. This needs to be a permanent change, something that will affect the heroes and their relationships for a LOOOONG time to come. It will, if things go well, be a pretty solid ground to build future Marvel stories with for at least a few years. It needs to be real.

[Hightreker]

JQ said at comic-con that this is perminate for awhile.

[Mithrandier]

Wolverine seems to be on Cap's side but has been working with Iron Man the time being. He has been tracking Nitro and actually found him. Bad thing was, Namor had a group searchin for Nitro also. Got my new issue of Wolverine last night, and lets just say, after a Wolverine and Namor have a tussle or two...............ahhhhhhhh unless you want me to spoil it, I'll let you read it first.

My sig is taken from Newsarama...............they have a ton of different ones.

[Buttmunch]

Do you have a link to the page with them? I couldn't find them.

[Buttmunch]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6915/2218/1600/civilwar425x100locke2or.1.jpg

:rotfl

[ffl1940]

Once you registrated, the government owns you. Do you want to be owned by the government and be told what you have to do? Wouldn't you rather have the choice on what you would like to do with your powers?

I think both sides have valid points, it boils down to what is important to you personally and what you have to gain or lose from registration.

Hey Duckgoo, I know what you're saying, but we "register" for a social security number so that the goverment can take our money and spread it around for the "good of all". We're "registering" when we send in our taxes, telling the IRS everything about our income, place we live, etc when we pay our taxes (again, for the "good of all").

So I suppose if all the anti-registration people would also say that it'd be okay for people who don't want to register with/pay to Social Security because they'll provide for their own retirement that would be a little more consistent. And if people who want to provide for their own medical care don't want to contribute to any kind of medicare or national health care they should be allowed to opt-out and go their own way, unemcumbered by the government telling them what they should or shouldn't do with their lives. You could say that having to register for those things hurts your family by hurting you financially when the goverment takes your money from you.

Really I just like to point out when people are being hypocritical. I find that people want us to register for certain things that suit their fancy (i.e. political ideology) and not to register for things that don't (i.e. liberals want people to have to register guns, fly a plane, drive a car, pay taxes be part of social security and contribute to national health care all things that give up individual freedoms, but registering for anything that sets an individual apart, even one that could commit mass murder on an epic scale with a thought, that's unacceptable. Conservatives, on the other hand, want people to have to register for the Selective Service, pilot's licenses, driver's licenses, etc. want the gov't to tell scientists what stem cell lines they can use, want the gov't to limit abortion and birth control and to limit what we see on the public TV airwaves (murder and violence OK, a bare breast? call the FCC!!!!! :rotfl )

Join the Libertarians!!!! The gov't should provide a judicial system, a defense for the borders (which they wouldn't leave unless we were attacked first) and the rest is just fending for yourselves!!!! :D

[SolidLiquidFox]

On one side you got the smartest guy in the Marvel Universe, Reed Richards, supporting registration. On the other side you got Captain America against it.

Who do you follow??? :monkey3



(hint: advantage Cap since Reed's wife is always cheating on him) :D

[Duckgoo]

Hey Duckgoo, I know what you're saying, but we "register" for a social security number so that the goverment can take our money and spread it around for the "good of all". We're "registering" when we send in our taxes, telling the IRS everything about our income, place we live, etc when we pay our taxes (again, for the "good of all").

So I suppose if all the anti-registration people would also say that it'd be okay for people who don't want to register with/pay to Social Security because they'll provide for their own retirement that would be a little more consistent. And if people who want to provide for their own medical care don't want to contribute to any kind of medicare or national health care they should be allowed to opt-out and go their own way, unemcumbered by the government telling them what they should or shouldn't do with their lives. You could say that having to register for those things hurts your family by hurting you financially when the goverment takes your money from you.

Really I just like to point out when people are being hypocritical. I find that people want us to register for certain things that suit their fancy (i.e. political ideology) and not to register for things that don't (i.e. liberals want people to have to register guns, fly a plane, drive a car, pay taxes be part of social security and contribute to national health care all things that give up individual freedoms, but registering for anything that sets an individual apart, even one that could commit mass murder on an epic scale with a thought, that's unacceptable. Conservatives, on the other hand, want people to have to register for the Selective Service, pilot's licenses, driver's licenses, etc. want the gov't to tell scientists what stem cell lines they can use, want the gov't to limit abortion and birth control and to limit what we see on the public TV airwaves (murder and violence OK, a bare breast? call the FCC!!!!! :rotfl )

Join the Libertarians!!!! The gov't should provide a judicial system, a defense for the borders (which they wouldn't leave unless we were attacked first) and the rest is just fending for yourselves!!!! :D

I don't think your example of social security registration is valid.

The superheroes have to register because they are different than the rest of America. It's like saying if you are middle eastern in the US, you have to register. If you are non-middle eastern, then you don't have to register.
Once the government starts to treat a group of people different, then our democracy falls apart.

Why do you think Captain America is anti-registration.

These superheroes didn't have a choice with their superpowers, they can't just turn them off. Take mutants for example.

I understand that superheroes are capable of massive destruction, but they are also capable of massive good.

[carbo-fation]

I don't think your example of social security registration is valid.

The superheroes have to register because they are different than the rest of America. It's like saying if you are middle eastern in the US, you have to register. If you are non-middle eastern, then you don't have to register.
Once the government starts to treat a group of people different, then our democracy falls apart.

Why do you think Captain America is anti-registration.

These superheroes didn't have a choice with their superpowers, they can't just turn them off. Take mutants for example.

I understand that superheroes are capable of massive destruction, but they are also capable of massive good.

Wow, you pretty much summed up my thoughts exactly!:D Being of a different race and religion, I can empathize with the anti-registration a lot more!

[Buttmunch]

Since we already register in a way with Social Security, firearms, etc. It would make perfect sense for those with special abilities to registar them. If people can blow up things with their mind is it OK to let them go about blowing up people or things as they wish? It would only serve as a saftey percaution to regular people. Not every special person would have to be a government agent. I just think the registration would help prevent more events like the one in Civil War #1.

Although I can totally see Captain America's viewpoint.

I wonder if we the readers will have any influence on the outcome of the war. For example, the issue of Batman where the readers could call a number if they wanted Robin to live and a differnent number if they wanted to die. I think it would be interesting to see where the majority of the readers will actually side with.

[DarkArtist81]

I don't think your example of social security registration is valid.

The superheroes have to register because they are different than the rest of America. It's like saying if you are middle eastern in the US, you have to register. If you are non-middle eastern, then you don't have to register.
Once the government starts to treat a group of people different, then our democracy falls apart.

Why do you think Captain America is anti-registration.

These superheroes didn't have a choice with their superpowers, they can't just turn them off. Take mutants for example.

I understand that superheroes are capable of massive destruction, but they are also capable of massive good.


My feelings exactly DG! Well said....

[SolidLiquidFox]

This story (and House of M) has great contrast with the Earth X miniseries. In that future, everyone had powers or had "evolved" while Captain America fought to bring down the regime that had taken over.

[Viking28]

I think I more with Iron Man, if I moved into a neighborhood I would like to know my next door neighbor has the power to blow up a 5 mile radius of the surronding area. Or if some super villian is going to attack him but instead gets his directions mixed up and attacks my house by mistake.
Or because it always happens they get in a fist fight and send the other guy flying through a couple houses.

I could probley live without that kind of stress added to my daily life.

[Buttmunch]

I think I more with Iron Man, if I moved into a neighborhood I would like to know my next door neighbor has the power to blow up a 5 mile radius of the surronding area. Or if some super villian is going to attack him but instead gets his directions mixed up and attacks my house by mistake.
Or because it always happens they get in a fist fight and send the other guy flying through a couple houses.

I could probley live without that kind of stress added to my daily life.

Yeah I'm not on my own here anymore! Show your support Viking:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/705/705589/civil-war-20060508071658837-000.jpg

[ffl1940]

Originally Posted by Duckgoo
I don't think your example of social security registration is valid.

The superheroes have to register because they are different than the rest of America. It's like saying if you are middle eastern in the US, you have to register. If you are non-middle eastern, then you don't have to register.
Once the government starts to treat a group of people different, then our democracy falls apart.


The racial comparison is not valid in the case of all the heroes that rely on a weapon, ring, hammer, amulet, etc that either gives them their power, or enhances it, an item they CHOOSE to use.

I know the argument is about registering the hero themselves, but what about registration of the items of power for those that wield them, and have no other source of power? In those cases it's nothing like race at all, in cases of a hero carrying/wearing/wielding a potentiall deadly item/weapon, it's a CHOICE.

Captain America CHOOSES to carry around a shield that can be a deadly weapon or a way to defend himself. He shouldn't have to register the shield, but I should have to register a gun which is also a deadly weapon but also a potential way to defend myself should I be attacked?

Thor carries a hammer and many other superheroes CHOOSE to carry items that can cause great destruction.

yeah, some of those guys have powers beyond just the items, but what of everyday ordinary people that choose to be superheroes because the create a suit of armor, find a ring or amulet/carry/wield some magical powerful item? They choose it, it isn't like race at all.

How is it democratic that someone who is like anyone else can find an amulet/put on or inherit a ring, carry a shield or hammer, etc. that gives them immense powers that they can use on a whim, but if I choose to legally buy a gun I should have to tell the government all about myself and register?

[Duckgoo]

The racial comparison is not valid in the case of all the heroes that rely on a weapon, ring, hammer, amulet, etc that either gives them their power, or enhances it, an item they CHOOSE to use.

I know the argument is about registering the hero themselves, but what about registration of the items of power for those that wield them, and have no other source of power? In those cases it's nothing like race at all, in cases of a hero carrying/wearing/wielding a potentiall deadly item/weapon, it's a CHOICE.

Captain America CHOOSES to carry around a shield that can be a deadly weapon or a way to defend himself. He shouldn't have to register the shield, but I should have to register a gun which is also a deadly weapon but also a potential way to defend myself should I be attacked?

Thor carries a hammer and many other superheroes CHOOSE to carry items that can cause great destruction.

yeah, some of those guys have powers beyond just the items, but what of everyday ordinary people that choose to be superheroes because the create a suit of armor, find a ring or amulet/carry/wield some magical powerful item? They choose it, it isn't like race at all.

How is it democratic that someone who is like anyone else can find an amulet/put on or inherit a ring, carry a shield or hammer, etc. that gives them immense powers that they can use on a whim, but if I choose to legally buy a gun I should have to tell the government all about myself and register?

This weapons registration aspect is interesting. I can buy swords off Ebay and I don't have to register swords which can hurt/kill people, but I have to register guns which do the same thing. If I invent a lightsaber, would I have to register it? Current laws would say no.

I would say if you choose to use a suit of armor, ring, amulet, or magical item to power yourself, then you should have to register those items. But you don't have to register yourself. Anyone can use these items for destruction (with some exceptions of course). In reality, I think the government would confiscate these weapons for public safety and develop them for military uses. So registering these weapons would be a moot point.

[Viking28]

This weapons registration aspect is interesting. I can buy swords off Ebay and I don't have to register swords which can hurt/kill people, but I have to register guns which do the same thing. If I invent a lightsaber, would I have to register it? Current laws would say no.

I would say if you choose to use a suit of armor, ring, amulet, or magical item to power yourself, then you should have to register those items. But you don't have to register yourself. Anyone can use these items for destruction (with some exceptions of course). In reality, I think the government would confiscate these weapons for public safety and develop them for military uses. So registering these weapons would be a moot point.

SO........what if you were born with that power?

[wookilar8]

I think I more with Iron Man, if I moved into a neighborhood I would like to know my next door neighbor has the power to blow up a 5 mile radius of the surronding area. Or if some super villian is going to attack him but instead gets his directions mixed up and attacks my house by mistake.
Or because it always happens they get in a fist fight and send the other guy flying through a couple houses.

I could probley live without that kind of stress added to my daily life.
The only problem I see with this train of thought is that by registering with the government, your private information is in their files. And we all know how easy it is to get private government files.:rolleyes:

[bluesparrow]

The problem with Iron Man's side in this is he's allied himself with so many evil people it's hard to take him seriously. The Thunderbolts hunting down heroes, and he approves? Deadpool too? Come on.

Not to mention SHIELD. Brian Bendis(the architect of this whole thing) has spent the last two years making this current SHIELD administration out to be evil, corrupt, and brutal in the pages of New Avengers alone. They mind-raped Spider-man just a few issues ago. Hell, the SHIELD agents responsible for enforcing this law call themselves "Cape Killers,"* which is hardly an endorsement of their objectivity or rationality. When SHIELD told Cap about the law, they attacked him unprovoked, BEFORE the law was even enacted.

Whereas all the characters who are defined by their notions of honor and nobility joined Cap's side, or at least declined to join Iron Man's side(Namor, Black Panther, Cap, Luke Cage, Black Bolt, Dr Strange, Hercules, Nick Fury). Just not Thor, for now.

I don't see how Iron Man's side is going to come out of this as heroes.


*Plus that "cape killers" thing is stupid anyway. How many characters in the Marvel Universe wear capes? Thor, Sentry, Scarlet Witch, Ultron, Adam Warlock(not exactly in their jurisdiction), Dr Strange? Maybe one or two others. However the 3000 remaining heroes don't. Stupid Bendis.

[Buttmunch]

Another way I see things is like this. With Spider-Man, he has always done his job for free. Now the government is making heroes register. So why not register (like any law abiding hero would do) AND get PAID for it. Peter has never been the billionaire like Stark or Bruce Wayne are. Besides Aunt May and Mary Jane have been attacked and kidnapped so many times even before Spider-Man's identity was known. In the movies alone MJ has been attack or kidnapped 3 times and 2 for Aunt May. There saftey isn't going to be changing that much.

[Viking28]

The only problem I see with this train of thought is that by registering with the government, your private information is in their files. And we all know how easy it is to get private government files.:rolleyes:

What a second your telling me they dont have that anyway??????:rolleyes:

[Duckgoo]

At the end of the day, both sides are right and both sides are wrong.

The real tragedy here is that both sides can't work this out without bloodshed, so we all lose in the end.

But if both sides work it out without conflict, we won't have comics to read.

[ffl1940]

SO........what if you were born with that power?

Hey Viking, the point was made to address my post specifically concerning those that were not born with a power, but that relied on some potentially deadly item that they chose to wield.

Those born with a power is a different issue and I guess I can see both sides of that. What I can't see is why someone would say it's unfair to make a hero who uses a gun register, but then say that ordinary citizens should have to register their guns (and BTW,don't own a gun and never will).

I also don't know that I understand what Duckgoo means by saying that a hero that used an item should register the item, but not themselves. So heroes should anonymously send in a form saying "hey, I've got a suit of armor that fires missiles, lasers and leaves me nearly invulnerable, see ya!!!" That doesn't help very much, while a law abiding citizen who wants a pistol for target practice needs to reveal their name, address, and what gun they bought to the gov't. Doesn't seem right. Of course the answer would be to stop gun registration altogether. Then I'd be on the side of the anti-registration forces. So as soon as Cap comes out against gun registration I'm joining him!

[Duckgoo]

Hey Viking, the point was made to address my post specifically concerning those that were not born with a power, but that relied on some potentially deadly item that they chose to wield.

Those born with a power is a different issue and I guess I can see both sides of that. What I can't see is why someone would say it's unfair to make a hero who uses a gun register, but then say that ordinary citizens should have to register their guns (and BTW,don't own a gun and never will).

I also don't know that I understand what Duckgoo means by saying that a hero that used an item should register the item, but not themselves. So heroes should anonymously send in a form saying "hey, I've got a suit of armor that fires missiles, lasers and leaves me nearly invulnerable, see ya!!!" That doesn't help very much, while a law abiding citizen who wants a pistol for target practice needs to reveal their name, address, and what gun they bought to the gov't. Doesn't seem right. Of course the answer would be to stop gun registration altogether. Then I'd be on the side of the anti-registration forces. So as soon as Cap comes out against gun registration I'm joining him!

I said that if you had "a suit of armor that fires missiles, lasers and leaves me nearly invulnerable", then the government will take it from you and use it for military applications. Which leaves the issue of registration a moot point. The government would be crazy to let you keep such a thing, forget registration!!! They will probably put you in Area 51 and help them develop more weapons of mass destruction.

[Mithrandier]

Roster Spoilers for the new onging series "The Mighty Avengers". Picture is from Wizard Magazine.

The roster is as follows:

Black Widow
Iron Man
Wonder Man
Wasp
Ms. Marvel
Ares

See here
http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/001514/COVER-180-AVENGERS.jpg

[ffl1940]

I said that if you had "a suit of armor that fires missiles, lasers and leaves me nearly invulnerable", then the government will take it from you and use it for military applications. Which leaves the issue of registration a moot point. The government would be crazy to let you keep such a thing, forget registration!!! They will probably put you in Area 51 and help them develop more weapons of mass destruction.


You're using real world hypotheticals to deal with a "real" comic world issue. We're dealing with a world where such suits exist and where the gov't only requires you to register, they're not taking Tony's suit away from him. As it's a comic world based on our own, unless we read otherwise, the basic laws of our land exist in this comic one.

But lets compare real to comic worlds. How is it democratic (a world you like to use), that someone (in the comic book world) with a lot of money can create a weapon, or build a suit and be free to use that weapon or suit as they see fit with no need to tell the gov't who they are, and what they have, someone who might apparently be using it for "good" but who could have a criminal record, while at the same time you seemingly believe that a law abiding people in the "real world" must register themselves with the goverment if they want a handgun? Why is it okay for someone in the comic book world, maybe someone with bi-polar disorder who has a history of not taking their medication, to stumble across a ring that gives them immense power, and play "hero" without having to register, but a stable, law abiding citizen should be required to register a handgun?

I don't follow the logic.

[Hightreker]

Just got that issue of Wizard in the mail today. Haven't read it all yet, but I did read the Mighty Avengers preview. For anyone who doesn't usually get Wizard, I'd deffinately recommend picking this issue up. Oh, and the Brian Bendis interview was interesting. (It might not be Tony behind the Iron Man suit in the Mighty Avengers)

[Captain Faramir]

Hey dudes, can anybody help me find a really detailed summary of the past issues? I can't find any really good synopses of the story so far--is there a place with all the details?

[Mithrandier]

Hey dudes, can anybody help me find a really detailed summary of the past issues? I can't find any really good synopses of the story so far--is there a place with all the details?


Go to www.uncannyxmen.net and then look under issue summaries in the issue information section. These guys do an actual summary, not a review. It really is a great site.

[Mithrandier]

Just got that issue of Wizard in the mail today. Haven't read it all yet, but I did read the Mighty Avengers preview. For anyone who doesn't usually get Wizard, I'd deffinately recommend picking this issue up. Oh, and the Brian Bendis interview was interesting. (It might not be Tony behind the Iron Man suit in the Mighty Avengers)


If not Tony in this suit, who? Maybe Tony Stark will be the Iron Man in the "New Avengers" on-going. The Mighty Avengers shoulda been Caps Avengers though. Let the New Avengers be Starks.

Also, read where Clint Barton(Hawkeye) was going to be a part of or maybe lead a new group after the fallout from Civil War. Someone said maybe the Champions or something to that matter.

[Hightreker]

If not Tony in this suit, who?

It wasn't a statement, and was most likely just to stir up the theories. Although I have to admit, after reading these civil war issues, I wouldn't mind seeing Tony Stark out of the suit. He's been gettin' way to annoying IMO.

[Captain Faramir]

Thanks Mith, that site helped a lot. All I gotta say is, I'm with Captain America 100%. I really hope the X-men join him soon; this whole thing is exactly what they are fighting against! I know they want to be neutral for now, but they can't forever if that dang Iron Man has his way. It treats superheroes like some want to treat mutants--dangerous freaks that need to be leashed up like animals and made to fetch slippers for bureaucrats and lobbyists. Captain is suddenly my favorite hero of all. I hope he pulls this together and becomes the icon of civic virtue he was meant to be!

[Mithrandier]

It wasn't a statement, and was most likely just to stir up the theories. Although I have to admit, after reading these civil war issues, I wouldn't mind seeing Tony Stark out of the suit. He's been gettin' way to annoying IMO.

Maybe Peter Parker will fully be Tony's puppet then. Whoever is in the suit, if not Tony, if Tony lives through all of this, they will probably truly be a puppet to Stark.

Cannot wait for number 4 to come out. Just read a review of Cable and Deadpool and found out who actually killed someone, but not who died.

[Hightreker]

Just read a review of Cable and Deadpool and found out who actually killed someone, but not who died.

Yup, just finished Cable and Deadpool #2, great read. This comic is just pure fun. But yeah, the death thing is in there like you said.

[Mithrandier]

A new book spiraling out of Civil War has been announced......................................... .............


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Omega Flight!!!!!!

Team members look to be Guardian, Captain America or U.S. Agent, Arachne, Talisman and Beta Ray Bill..................

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/features/images/0608/omega/omegaflight.jpg

[bluesparrow]

Now *that* is an interesting lineup.

[Mithrandier]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/CIVWARCS001_proof2_t.jpg

CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES (JUL068173)
Written by MICHAEL AVON OEMING, MATT FRACTION, ROBERT KIRKMAN, TY TEMPLETON, AND MARC GUGGENHEIM
Penciled by LEINIL FRANCIS YU, DAVID AJA, PHIL HESTER, SCOTT KOLLINS, AND TY TEMPLETON
48 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99
FOC 10/5, On Sale 10/25/2006


Stories about Iron Fist, U.S. Agent, Ant Man, Venom, and Howard the Duck............

[TOE]

Thor will give Medieval @$$ Kicking!!!

[carbo-fation]

Has CW #4 been released yet??

[TOE]

not my store. at the con they were selling #3, #4, and i think #5 :monkey4 but wayyyyy to expensive for 1 comic book.

[Mithrandier]

Has CW #4 been released yet??


I think the release date for #4 was for September twenty-something. Not sure, but towards the end of the month.

[carbo-fation]

Cool! Thanks guys! I'm getting anxious to see what's going to happen next!

[TOE]

I hope Thor knocks the bejessuz out of Iron man.

[carbo-fation]

I hope Thor knocks the bejessuz out of Iron man.

Ditto!~ Me too! I really dislike Iron Man right now! He needs a major a$$ kicking! :D

[wookilar8]

I can't wait for CIVIL WAR #4, so I'll post a picture. :rolleyes:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e35/wookilar8/800px-Marvel-character-composit.jpg