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tinister
06-19-2011, 03:01 PM
I was doing a routine inspection of my figures that have been boxed a while and discovered that the rubber spacesuit on my Hot Toys Nostromo Kane has deteriorated. In some places where the suit was in contact with the plastic tray insert - the rubber had become sticky and "melded" with the tray. In areas where the suit wasn't in contact with the tray - the rubber has dried out and cracked. There was also paint flecks everywhere from the paint on the rubber crumbling off.

So I had to removed all of the armor and gear to salvage everything I could. All of the plastic pieces are okay. Most of the nylon straps were toast because they became encrusted with the sticky rubber and melded to the suit.

So left with just the armor and accessories - I decided to make a full fabric replacement suit from scratch. Not at all screen accurate - but the HT suit was far far from accurate. The boots and gloves I've discovered are completely wrong. And alot of the details and colors of the suit are also wrong. I'm think because reference pics from the movie were scarce and also dark.

Would you believe I'm done? :rotfl:rotfl:rotfl Some more pics on the final page.

My friend is printing out the nameplate on his printer, but everything else is done. :yess:

Here are the final boots:
http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane_nostromo_a.jpg

And some final little details I added:
- Added red and blue lights to the exterior of the helmet. These were never lit up in the movies, but I thought they would make a cool detail to have.
- Added the little odometer looking dial to the backpack. The original HT just left this as a hole. I painted in the dial and added a clear plastic cover and weathered it like in the movie.
- Added little tubing details to the side the of the winch. Didn't like how HT just left that side plain.
- Last time I modified the two tube attachments on the winch to be more screen accurate. Just added the little scoop-like opening to the top of the tube on the side to make it more accurate.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane_nostromo_b.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane_nostromo_c.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane_nostromo_d.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane_nostromo_e.jpg

Wanderer
06-19-2011, 03:06 PM
Nice start man :)
More than a little woried about my Dallas figure and, come to think of it, all my rubber bodied figures, some of which have been boxed up in the attic for a good 2/3 years...:monkey4:thud::monkey2

tinister
06-19-2011, 03:11 PM
I also decided to use a slightly shorter body since my big issue with the HT original (besides the suit being rubber) is the fact that all the gear seemed slightly too small on that rubber suit.

Besides new gloves, boots, and head, I will also make custom shin and arm guards since the original pieces were molded plastic and look it. The new guards will be flexible so that it conforms to the legs/arms better and will look more like they do in the movie.

Will also weather out the entire suit to give it the used and grimy look of the suits in the movie.

Another preview (the quilt pieces in the arms were an ealier failed experiment using a different material).

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/preview2.jpg

tinister
06-19-2011, 03:19 PM
Nice start man :)
More than a little woried about my Dallas figure and, come to think of it, all my rubber bodied figures, some of which have been boxed up in the attic for a good 2/3 years...:monkey4:thud::monkey2

Thanks Wanderer. Definitely dig yours out and check the suit. I think contact witht he plastic tray is the catalyst. If yours is okay - I recommend maybe put a sheet of acid free tissue paper between the figure and the tray.

I didn't read the details on this figure when I ordered them way back and didn't know it was a rubber suit til I received it. All of the armor and gear was so well done that I decided to keep it.

And of course - Kane doesn't look like Kane (looks more like Luke's Uncle from SW).

ShadowX81
06-19-2011, 04:38 PM
Um.....What is that white thing sticking out of the top of the pants?

Cheungkinmen
06-19-2011, 04:40 PM
Um.....What is that white thing sticking out of the top of the pants?

:rotfl .

Rorywan
06-19-2011, 05:02 PM
I was gonna ask that too, he's really happy to see Ripley!
Great work Tin, I'm afraid to look at my Dallas now!

tinister
06-19-2011, 06:44 PM
Um.....What is that white thing sticking out of the top of the pants?

:lol Since the suit is super bulky - I didn't want to waste a good body like a Medicom, or HT, or EB, so I used parts from an old Dragon figure. then I used putty to fill in some of the musculature and to repair some broken and cracked parts. The bridge on the crotch that extends down between the legs was also broken so what you see is my rebuild of it. I need to have it there because I stuff the suit with wool and without that bridge - the stuffing gets pushed up between the legs and body and interferes with poseability. I have to do all the body repairs now since once the suit is all sewn togther - it will almost be impossible to disassamble later.

tinister
06-19-2011, 06:46 PM
I was gonna ask that too, he's really happy to see Ripley!
Great work Tin, I'm afraid to look at my Dallas now!

Thanks Rory! Yeah. I was shocked when I found the rubber suit in such bad shape. Probably the worst deterioration I've seen on a figure.

MrStayPuft
06-19-2011, 06:53 PM
Love that pinhead (is that his name?) puppet in the background, from the Puppet Master series.

oh, and nice work :)

tinister
06-19-2011, 07:13 PM
Love that pinhead (is that his name?) puppet in the background, from the Puppet Master series.

oh, and nice work :)

Oh yeah - that's Pinhead. Thats a really old figure. the head has a mechanism so you can push a button and it pops up. Everyone always asks about the figure when they seet it.

tinister
06-19-2011, 07:17 PM
With all the stuffing I have to squeeze in - it's hard to keep the balance between the left and right legs. I think I got it finally.

You can also see the quilt pattern better in these shots.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/preview3.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/preview4.jpg

Lejuan
06-19-2011, 07:24 PM
Really nice work Tinister! I have heard about this suit deteriorating, but sticking to the inside of the box is extreme. Can I ask what sort of climate do you live in - are you in Singapore, or someplace equally as humid? Do you have any other rubber suited figures that have suffered this kind of break down?

tinister
06-19-2011, 07:37 PM
Really nice work Tinister! I have heard about this suit deteriorating, but sticking to the inside of the box is extreme. Can I ask what sort of climate do you live in - are you in Singapore, or someplace equally as humid? Do you have any other rubber suited figures that have suffered this kind of break down?

Hey Lejuan -

I live in California USA. I've only had one other rubber suit figure that developed dryness and cracking and that was one of two Takara Batman Begins figures from a few years ago. But that wasn't as extreme as this one.

My hunch is that because this Nostromo rubber suit had paint on it - that paint somehow added to the chemical reaction with the plastic insert. I'm not sure about you guys - but I remember right out of the box - the suits were a little tacky and already the paint rubbed off in your hands a little. So it was only a matter of time.

The climate here is what you'd expect from California. When it is cold it can be really cold. When it is hot - really hot. It HAS been hot and humid lately for the first time in a long time, but where I store my figures stays relatively constant in temperature (cool).

I keep all my figures in closets - so it's cool and dry. About 1/3 of my collection is in my home office - but there's not direct sunlight and it is pretty cool.

I think the rubber on these suits are just not meant to last.

Lejuan
06-19-2011, 08:07 PM
Oh man, I thought it was only the tropics where you really had to worry about this kind of thing. I guess the only attitude to take is to enjoy your collectibles while you can, take all reasonable measures to conserve them and hope for the best.

Do you keep your figures boxed because of lack of display space, or do you enjoy the boxed figure as a beautiful object in its own right? I wish I had the space to display some of my boxes - with some of them it's a crying shame to keep them in storage.

tinister
06-19-2011, 08:11 PM
Oh man, I thought it was only the tropics where you really had to worry about this kind of thing. I guess the only attitude to take is to enjoy your collectibles while you can, take all reasonable measures to conserve them and hope for the best.

Do you keep your figures boxed because of lack of display space, or do you enjoy the boxed figure as a beautiful object in its own right? I wish I had the space to display some of my boxes - with some of them it's a crying shame to keep them in storage.

I keep the boxes because I love cool package designs. I used to design display boxes for a living years ago.

I also don't display every figure - so the boxes make it easier to store figures - and is handy whenever I need to relocate everything for a move as example.

Yeah - there's no point in crying over spilt milk. Now I have no excuse not to make this fabric suit for it.

And YES - I have friends in hot and humid areas and it sucks; they have figures that start to melt after very little exposure to that climate.

galactiboy
06-20-2011, 06:09 AM
Great work Tinister! Always wished HT would have gone the extra mile and created a fabric suit. The rubber suits look pretty good, but feel a bit cheap.

Really hope mine don't rot away... they've been displayed for a couple years now with no obvious issues. But seems like with some of these figures (like the ED-2009) its only a matter of time :monkey2

Rorywan
06-20-2011, 06:54 AM
Excellent stuff Tin!
You probably have these already, but might be useful as ref?

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/nostromo-1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/alien26.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/sheet_36A5FCE3-9C44-7665-647A8D1C68873A4B.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/screen-capture-18.png
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/norm-4c41aba68892d-Alien1979.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/tumblr_ksig0zz2ZM1qa1o5zo1_400.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/aliensuit2.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/aliensuit.jpg

Gruff Old Bear
06-20-2011, 07:16 AM
Very impressive. I like your can-do approach to the problem.

tinister
06-20-2011, 10:24 AM
Excellent stuff Tin!
You probably have these already, but might be useful as ref?

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/nostromo-1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/alien26.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/sheet_36A5FCE3-9C44-7665-647A8D1C68873A4B.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/screen-capture-18.png
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/norm-4c41aba68892d-Alien1979.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/tumblr_ksig0zz2ZM1qa1o5zo1_400.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/aliensuit2.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/aliensuit.jpg

Thanks for these Rory! I don't have a few of them actually. I like the one with Kane resting on the ground with the helmet off. :clap

Two bad I didn't do a little research when I chose the orange fabric for the suit. I followed the HT suit and it was completely wrong. Kane had light colored - almost yellow patches as seen in these pics.

tinister
06-20-2011, 10:25 AM
Very impressive. I like your can-do approach to the problem.

Thanks Gruff. I didn't want the awesome HT gear and helmet to go to waste.

BTW: I plan to make a completely white Ripley version at some point. :yess:

Jmek
06-20-2011, 10:56 AM
Oh dear, that's a bit worrying. I bought Kane when he first came out and I've never taken him out of the box. I think I'll check on him tonight. :pray:

Dallas is my only HT fig that I display and he's still as good as new.

Fantastic work on the suit Tinister, can't wait to see it finished.

tinister
06-20-2011, 10:58 AM
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll97/rorywan/tumblr_ksig0zz2ZM1qa1o5zo1_400.jpg

Just realized from this pic that I need to make a fabric collar too. The HT suit had a molded plastic collar that looks about three times too thick height-wise and too wide on the shoulders too. they pushed the shoulder pieces out to far.

A padded fabric collar would actually allow the helmet to sit more flushed to the shoulders (and more stable) - and look more accurate to the screen suit.

tinister
06-20-2011, 11:06 AM
Oh dear, that's a bit worrying. I bought Kane when he first came out and I've never taken him out of the box. I think I'll check on him tonight. :pray:

Dallas is my only HT fig that I display and he's still as good as new.

Fantastic work on the suit Tinister, can't wait to see it finished.

Thanks Jmek. Definitely take Kane out and display him. I think mine got screwed from being in the box so long.

Wor-Gar
06-20-2011, 02:28 PM
Awesome work! This is the way it should have been done from the get-go.

I think your theory about the HT plastic try is true -- I also live in Cali, and have Dallas and Kane out of the box on the shelf. So far, no deterioration. Figure's are about what they were when I got them. I don't expect them to last forever though. But then I don't expect to be a collector forever.

tinister
06-20-2011, 03:07 PM
Awesome work! This is the way it should have been done from the get-go.

I think your theory about the HT plastic try is true -- I also live in Cali, and have Dallas and Kane out of the box on the shelf. So far, no deterioration. Figure's are about what they were when I got them. I don't expect them to last forever though. But then I don't expect to be a collector forever.

Thanks Wor-Gar! I think if HT had gone this route with the suit - the figure would have cost much more $$$. It's super tedious to cut out and sew together the patchwork of quilt and different colored fabrics. The stitching detail on the legs you see took me forever to figur out - and they're still not exactly how I wanted them to look. They looked fine when the suit was off - but once on and stuffed with wool- they threads shifted and the "X" pattern is unrecognizable.

If I did it over again - I'd figure out a way to add that stitching after the suit has been fitted to the body. Oh well.

tinister
06-20-2011, 03:08 PM
And definitely - if you guys have one of these sitting in a box - I recommend taking them out to breathe for a little bit so the same thing doesn't happen to yours.

tinister
06-20-2011, 03:18 PM
Great work Tinister! Always wished HT would have gone the extra mile and created a fabric suit. The rubber suits look pretty good, but feel a bit cheap.

Really hope mine don't rot away... they've been displayed for a couple years now with no obvious issues. But seems like with some of these figures (like the ED-2009) its only a matter of time :monkey2

Thanks Galactiboy! I'd keep them displayed if I were you. I had mine on display for about a year or so with no issues. Put it in the box about 2 years ago and bam!

No wonder I see 3rd party replacement domes for ED on ebay. Was the dome rubber?

Grosby
06-20-2011, 08:00 PM
Two bad I didn't do a little research when I chose the orange fabric for the suit. I followed the HT suit and it was completely wrong. Kane had light colored - almost yellow patches as seen in these pics.

Maybe you've seen this too but if not it might be helpful, someone who went to some lengths to make their figures more accurate, there's a pretty lengthy list of changes:

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42229

tinister
06-20-2011, 08:27 PM
Maybe you've seen this too but if not it might be helpful, someone who went to some lengths to make their figures more accurate, there's a pretty lengthy list of changes:

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42229

Thanks Grosby. I was told about that thread, but most of his pics are gone and the few that were still there - my Kaspersky Anti-virus goes bonkers when I try to view them.

I looked at the list and alot of his fixes are cosmetic - adding weathering and scratches and so forth. Which I'll likely do in a fashion that looks good- not necessarily accurate to the movie.

With implemenation of the fabric suit, fabric collar, and fabric shin/arm guards - in conjunction with the use of a shorter base body; I'm discovering that most if not all of the scale issues will be addressed.

- I think he mention the body needed to be 5 inches shorter; my base body is about an 1/2 inch shorter. I think he was measuring using the rubber suit. The leggs on the rubber suit were too long because the suit was molded without the "low-riding" waistline that you see in the movie suits. The crotch area in the movie suits hung pretty low from the actual crotch - giving the appeareance of the legs being both shorter and fatter. That's partly the reason I made my suit in two pieces; so I can more accurately judge how low I wanted the waist to ride.

- The fabric collar will allow the modified helmet to sit more flushed to the body's shoulder; reducing the height by about 1/2 inch. And the figure being about 1/2 inch shorter will put the scale of the equipment to body just about right. The fabric collar also allows the shoulder pieces to be harness closer to the sides of the helmet and also meet the chest plate in the middle. On the rubber suit - it was impossible to do this - further magnifying the wrong scale of the gear to the body.

- The boots and gloves were all too big so I will rescuplt those from scratch and in the process match them closer to the movie pieces.

- I'm resculpting the Kane face. To be honest - his resculpt looked more like Kane than HT (of course), but it didn't really com close enough. It looked too "rough".

- I may add more weathering to the armored pieces; I actually disagree with him that the HT had too much weathering. Ref pics I've seen - the gear is pretty weathered out.

- And as I mentioned; I followed the color scheme of the HT and it resulted in the wrong shade of orange patches, but I will use watered down bleach spray to lighten everything before I apply weathering to the fabric. Should be pretty neat. The suit is already getting grimey from my handling it and looking very realistic in places.

I'm not really going for absolute screen accuracy. I'm basically doing this so that I don't have a box of cool gear sitting there with no figure.

Minimodel
06-21-2011, 03:05 AM
Shame John Hurt had to be such a douche about his likeness.

Do the actual suits still exist anywhere?

Jmek
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
Thanks Jmek. Definitely take Kane out and display him. I think mine got screwed from being in the box so long.

I checked him last night and fortunately he seems fine, although the suit is a bit "tacky". :yess:

I think I might take your advice on that one though. It's too cool a figure to keep boxed up.

tinister
06-21-2011, 11:05 AM
I checked him last night and fortunately he seems fine, although the suit is a bit "tacky". :yess:

I think I might take your advice on that one though. It's too cool a figure to keep boxed up.

Phew! Good for you! Sucks cause I usually check my boxed figures regularly, but got lazy in the past year when I stopped collecting for a while.

Glad yours is okay Jmek :)

tinister
06-21-2011, 07:21 PM
Just finished the shin guards for the legs. Came out much better than I anticipated.

I ended up using two thin sheets of thin construction foam (the kind with adhesive sides). On one sheet I cut out the shape of the shin. On the other sheet I traced the same shape but made it a little smaller than the first. When the two adhesive sides of the two cut out pieces together - it left a thin edge around the border where the larger piece overlapped the smaller. This thin exposed edge is adhesive - allowing me to attach the brown trim (the brown elastic cord) along this edge of the guard.

Then I used the edge of a butter knife heated slightly to carefully press in the vertical crease lines on the front surface of the shin guard. I went over the lines a few times to give them uneven perforations.

The end result looks almost identical to the movie shins. Once these are weathered - should look awesome.

Here are some pics (held in place temporarily by elastic cord):


http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/shins3.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/shins2.jpg

tinister
06-23-2011, 05:26 PM
Just finished the sculpt of the new boots. The HT boots were HUGE and not screen accurate in any way. I looked through the dvd and it looks like HT based their design on a close-up shot of a pair of boots that has alien blood/acid dripped on it in the movie. But that boot wasn't the same boots Kane wore on the trek to the derelict ship.

And reference pics seem to show that there were two types of boots used in the spacesuit scenes. A pair worn during the trekking scenes. These had very flat almost worn looking soles. Then a different pair worn as the trio are examining the Space Jockey. These boots were very similar, but had thicker soles with treads. I'm thinking maybe these boots were difficult to walk in so they used the flat soled ones in the trek scene.

I sculpted my boots based on these two versions.

Once I calculated the right size for these new boots - you can see how out of scale the HT boots are. And for some reason - they made the foot part of the boot way too long.

Here is a pic of my new boot sculpts (still not cured enough to put on the figure):

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/boots.jpg

tinister
06-23-2011, 05:42 PM
The right scale boots really pull the whole design of the legs together. Those brown dress shoes I used before as placeholder just wasn't doing it :lol

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/boots2.jpg

tinister
06-23-2011, 06:04 PM
I forgot to mention. With a much lighter fabric suit replacing the much heavier rubber suit - the figure (with helmet and shoulder pads on) became top heavy. I had a hard time getting him to stay upright without using a stand.

So when I sculpted the boots - I embedded two pieces of lead in the sole of each boot. This made the boots heavy and now the figure stands pretty easily. Which is cool because the boots in the movie were custom designed with weights in the soles to simulate low gravity walking.

With the boots now - I can see the body proportions even out much better than with the original rubber suit.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/boots3.jpg

Wor-Gar
06-23-2011, 09:42 PM
That's awesome!!

I'm so glad you're building me one too. Thanks, man! :D

tinister
06-23-2011, 09:49 PM
That's awesome!!

I'm so glad you're building me one too. Thanks, man! :D

:lol Thanks Wor-Gar. It's coming along. I just ran out of magicsculpt so I have to order more to sculpt the gloves. I want those to be the most screen accurate - I was disappointed that the HT gloves left off the distinctive lobster thumb design.

Jmek
06-24-2011, 11:47 AM
Tinister you're a goddmaned genius! :clap

That's simply jaw dropping work.

tinister
06-24-2011, 12:43 PM
Thanks Jmek! :wave

I actually found another photo of the boots so I updated the fron and the back of them. Will post update later.

Mad Old Lu
06-24-2011, 12:56 PM
It's turning out fantastic! Great job!

tinister
06-24-2011, 01:12 PM
Thanks Mad Old Lu! :wave

I'm dreading making the top half of the suit. Doing that last - tons of stitching to get that quilted look. And unfortunately the entire trunk of the suit is quilted (and 1/3 of the arms).

Rorywan
06-24-2011, 01:45 PM
When are you taking orders?
:)
Awesome!

tinister
06-24-2011, 03:52 PM
When are you taking orders?
:)
Awesome!

Thanks Rory! :)Probably not on this figure. Would take too much time and I'd have to charge probably too much. I'm happy with how it's all coming along.

Although - I just sliced my thumb open with an X-acto blade working on it :monkey4

tinister
06-25-2011, 01:55 AM
I replaced the plastic helmet collar with this padded fabric collar. It was a pain to cut out the helmet bracket (and I sliced my thumb in the process), but will be worth it because I can now have Kane posed with the helmet off.

The original plastic collar was way to thick both vertically and horizontally. The fabric collar will allow the helmet to sit more flushed to the shoulders - and will allow the shoulder pads to be placed closer inwards towards the sides of the helmet like in the movie.

I'll also be able to sew the collar to the suit - which will allow the helmet to be sit more tilted forward on the shoulders; allowing more of the head inside to be seen. Again - like in the movie. The original plastic collar forced the helmet to be mounted straight upright.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/collar.jpg

tinister
06-25-2011, 02:02 AM
Allong with the foam padding - I placed wires in the collar so that it can be bent to conform snug to the shoulders. The original plastic shoulders were vertically about 2.5 times thicker than this fabric version and so the helmet, shoulders, and chest piece ended up looking small in comparison. Now everything balances out better.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/collar3.jpg

tinister
06-25-2011, 02:09 AM
Cleaned up the boots and added a couple details:

- The heel cuts inward at the bottom. You see this in a couple of shots from the movie. From the side - almost looks like the back of high-heel shoes.

- Increased the thickness of the sole around the front of the boot.

- Shaved down the thickness of the metal toe plates on the front.

The HT boots has the emergency reflective wire around the base of the boots, but I didn't see that detail on the boots in the movie so I left them off.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/collar2.jpg

tinister
06-25-2011, 02:46 AM
The lead shoes work really well in keeping the figure balanced:
http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/collar4.jpg

abake
06-25-2011, 06:38 AM
Brilliant work Tin!
Looking forward to seeing it finished.

wax murderer
06-25-2011, 06:50 AM
I'm impressed...P

Crimsonbob
06-25-2011, 07:54 AM
Tthis is some damn impressive work, its looking great overall and those boots really make it pop.

Gruff Old Bear
06-25-2011, 08:38 AM
This is an ambitious project, and thank you for sharing your progress and plans. Beautifully thought out.

Oh, and while my Dallas is fine, my Kane is in the box, so I'm another one who'll be pulling him out of the box this weekend! Thnx!!!

tinister
06-25-2011, 10:23 AM
Brilliant work Tin!
Looking forward to seeing it finished.

Abake! Thanks man :wave I want to try to finish it before my work gets busy again.


I'm impressed...P

Thanks Wax :wave


Tthis is some damn impressive work, its looking great overall and those boots really make it pop.

Thanks Crimsonbob :wave


This is an ambitious project, and thank you for sharing your progress and plans. Beautifully thought out.

Oh, and while my Dallas is fine, my Kane is in the box, so I'm another one who'll be pulling him out of the box this weekend! Thnx!!!

Thanks Gruff :wave Definitely take him out of the box for a bit. The other guys who recently checked their boxed Kanes say the suit felt tacky. I think that's how it starts.

olbertfrog
06-26-2011, 02:50 AM
Awesome work!
Know the answer but have to ask, will you be offering suits, boots? ^^

tinister
06-28-2011, 03:36 PM
Awesome work!
Know the answer but have to ask, will you be offering suits, boots? ^^

Thanks Olbertfrog! Probably not the suit for sure. Too complicated to make - I'd probably end up in the looney bin if I tried to do the quilting on another suit.

The boots shouldn't be too hard to make a cast of. We'll see.

galactiboy
06-28-2011, 07:57 PM
Amazing work man... this is one awesome and ambitous project! Too bad there isn't a good Kane sculpt to go with all of this work :huh

And like others, mine have been on display so I'm not seeing any deterioration.

tinister
06-28-2011, 09:00 PM
Amazing work man... this is one awesome and ambitous project! Too bad there isn't a good Kane sculpt to go with all of this work :huh

And like others, mine have been on display so I'm not seeing any deterioration.

Thanks Galactiboy! :)

I'm saving the Hurt hs for the final reveal :wink1:
It was a pain to carve out the Biggs Darklighter/Freddie Mercury face from the HT hs :lol

VoidDweller
06-28-2011, 09:56 PM
Excellent work so far! :clap Look forward to seeing it finished.

My Kane has been on display and thankfully the rubber still looks as good as when I bought it new.

tinister
06-28-2011, 10:30 PM
Thanks VoidDweller! :)
Very nice 3D work btw!!!

Wor-Gar
06-29-2011, 05:57 PM
Stop thanking people and get back to work.

:D

tinister
06-29-2011, 06:06 PM
lol. I'll post some updates soon. Have to focus on day job for a while.

tinister
07-04-2011, 01:18 PM
Been super busy with work - and with July 4th activities.

Here are som updates. I basically decided that since I'm going through the trouble of making this suit from scratch - I might as well make it as close to Kan's suit in the movie as possible. So I went back and made the following changes:

- Changed the patch colors from the red/orange that HT got wrong to the light brown/orange that's closer to the movie suit.

- Changed up the quilt pattern to be more vertical patterned like in the movie.

- Changed the distinctive stitching on the thighs to a more accurate color, thickness, and cross pattern.

- Made matching quilted pockets for the back of both calves.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane11.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane12.jpg


- Made matching cargo style front pockets.

- Added quilted back pocket.

- Sewed in elastic band around the ankle of the pants (makes adding the wool stuffing much easier).

- I made new straps for the shin guards using strips of suede leather. These were a pain to cut out so thin, but they work so much bettr than the original straps which would slowly loosen by themselves. These also so more authentic and scaled.

Used some of the suede straps to attach the should armor to the helmet frame.

That's pretty much it. Waiting on new shipment of Magic Sculpt to make the gloves and the Hurt head. Also need to get more material for the upper half of the suit.

tinister
07-04-2011, 01:20 PM
Some pics of the revised pants:

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane3.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane4.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane5.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane6.jpg

tinister
07-04-2011, 01:22 PM
Poseability is still pretty good in the legs:

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane8.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane10.jpg

Wor-Gar
07-04-2011, 09:52 PM
That's looking soooooooooo good!

galactiboy
07-05-2011, 07:08 AM
That's looking soooooooooo good!

Ditto... just mind-blowing work!

And very interested to see "final reveal" head you've got coming :rock

Jmek
07-05-2011, 10:38 AM
Man, that's impressive. I'm running out of superlatives here. :)

Mad Old Lu
07-05-2011, 10:46 AM
Incredible. Just incredible.

Cap'n Cook
07-05-2011, 12:14 PM
Breathtaking stuff right here. :clap

tinister
07-05-2011, 04:20 PM
That's looking soooooooooo good!


Ditto... just mind-blowing work!

And very interested to see "final reveal" head you've got coming :rock


Man, that's impressive. I'm running out of superlatives here. :)


Incredible. Just incredible.


Breathtaking stuff right here. :clap

Thanks guys! :) Man - I wish I had more time to work on him this week, but gotta put in extra hours at the day job. Hope to have more updates on Sunday.

thenammagazine
07-05-2011, 04:25 PM
Not one for the Alien license but I can certainly appreciate some kickass custom work. Phenomenal job bud! :clap:clap:clap

tinister
07-05-2011, 07:49 PM
Thanks Nam! :)

tinister
07-05-2011, 08:08 PM
The old helmet design used two rather large pegs towards the front bottom of the helmet to snap the helmet in place on the neck brace. The pegs were extremely long (because the neck brace was sculpted too tall) - and because there was only two pegs in front and none in the back; the fit was somewhat haphazzard with the helmet often popping up in the back.

When I modified the neck brace to fabric - the long pegs became useless so I clipped them off. Of course this meant that there was nothing holding the helmet to the neck brace. Which was a problem.

I finally came up with a solution that actually matches pretty close with how the movie helmets were fastened to the neck braces.

Refer to image:

I superglued four tiny plastic studs to the four protruding tabs on the neck brace frame. On the real suits - these tabs concealed large female push buttons that snapped tightly with male counterparts on the helmet. For the studs I used these tiny metal beads that are sold at Michael's - used to decorate jewelry.

The studs function like little hooks. When the helmet is pressed in place on the neck brace - the studs pop into catch points on the bottom brim of the helmet.

And because there are four snap points instead of the original two - the helmet fits both more securely, and is a perfect seal (no light coming in from the back).

Problem solved :)

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane13.jpg

tinister
07-07-2011, 01:12 AM
Researching reference pics for the gloves - I've come to the conclusion that HT based the design of their gloves on the pair that Ripley wears at the end of the movie (the white spacesuit). Those gloves are completely different from the pair Kane wears with his spacesuit.

The HT gloves were also about 20% too big for the rest of the body - so I decided to sculpt new gloves that are better scaled and more accurate to Kane's gloves.

Here is the rough blocking of the gloves. Once these cure - I will clean them up and add some wrinkles, creases, and dents. NOTE the "lobster" thumb and the pads between the thumb and index fingers.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane14.jpg

tinister
07-07-2011, 01:43 AM
In order to assure that the gloves don't end up too big - I first sculpted hands gloved in normal tight-fitting gloves. These are much easier to scale to the body than padded gloves. Then once I got the scale of the normal hands right - I added sculpted padding.

They still look a little oversized in these pics, but it's because the arms don't have the padded sleeves yet.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane17.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane18.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane19.jpg

casvel
07-07-2011, 09:46 AM
You have an eye for details. Awesome job!

Reinhardt
07-07-2011, 12:25 PM
This is seriously one of the most impressive customs I have ever seen!!! Seriously jaw dropping!

Cap'n Cook
07-07-2011, 12:29 PM
This is seriously one of the most impressive customs I have ever seen!!! Seriously jaw dropping!

Exactly what I was about to post.

This is easily shaping up to be the best 1/6 custom I have seen. Wonder what head it will have.....and how much you will sell it to me for!! :lol

Mad Old Lu
07-07-2011, 12:40 PM
Geez! That's just ridiculously good! Was re-doing the gloves really necessary, or was it solely to be accurate?

Wor-Gar
07-07-2011, 03:09 PM
:thud: . . .



In order to assure that the gloves don't end up too big - I first sculpted hands gloved in normal tight-fitting gloves. These are much easier to scale to the body than padded gloves. Then once I got the scale of the normal hands right - I added sculpted padding.

They still look a little oversized in these pics, but it's because the arms don't have the padded sleeves yet....

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane17.jpg
http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane18.jpg
http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane19.jpg

barryo
07-07-2011, 03:12 PM
awesome work all around...............:clap

and i see a kenner original alien to the back on a shelf.............FTW.........:yess:

tinister
07-07-2011, 04:27 PM
You have an eye for details. Awesome job!


This is seriously one of the most impressive customs I have ever seen!!! Seriously jaw dropping!


Exactly what I was about to post.

This is easily shaping up to be the best 1/6 custom I have seen. Wonder what head it will have.....and how much you will sell it to me for!! :lol


awesome work all around...............:clap

and i see a kenner original alien to the back on a shelf.............FTW.........:yess:

Thanks for the compliments guys! :wink1:

Barryo: Yes- that's one of my prized items. I picked up that Kenner about 8 years ago :)

Mad Old Lu: The HT gloves would have been fine if it was maybe 20% smaller. They also left out the coolest feature imo - which were the lobster thumbs. And the way they sculpted the padding - it looked like the gloves were padded all around; when the actual gloves were padded just on the top.


Here are the gloves I made: cleaned up and with detail added:
http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane20.jpg

Crimsonbob
07-08-2011, 09:22 AM
Those gloves look bloody good :clap

Jmek
07-08-2011, 10:00 AM
Man, o' man, I love checking back to see Tin's updates.

tinister
07-08-2011, 07:24 PM
The final sculpts for the gloves and the boots. For the gloves - just added more details overall. The boots I added sculpted fabric texture to it them a more organic feel like the movie.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane21.jpg
http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane22.jpg

Wor-Gar
07-08-2011, 08:59 PM
Tinister, I had no idea you could do all this. New found respect. :bow

tinister
07-09-2011, 02:07 AM
Those gloves look bloody good :clap


Man, o' man, I love checking back to see Tin's updates.


Tinister, I had no idea you could do all this. New found respect. :bow

Thanks guys! I have to try get this guy done in July - since August is going to be a busy month at work. More pics coming soon :wave

olbertfrog
07-09-2011, 02:08 AM
Those gloves and boots are beautiful.
This custom will look epic!
Man i'm jalous lol
When you think you already have a really cool HT suit you see this project and cry ^^

King Darkness
07-09-2011, 02:18 AM
SWEET FANCY MOSES! :google... :clap ...:bow.... :panic: ....:horror.....:thud:

This project is insane! Tinister, you are ludicrously skilled. Seriously, those sculpted gloves are phenomenal! Truly.

What an ambitious undertaking. I look over at my Hot Toys Kane and set it on fire :(

Thread subscribed.

Blade3327
07-09-2011, 04:02 AM
Holy crap, this is some amazing work! All hail, this is one project HT should undoubtedly take notice of. Gloves look amazing, very professional and realistic. Boots, the same. I'm very impressed with how close your fabric looks to the actual suit, which only pushes the pro vibe even further! Great custom and I can not wait to see the final result.

:rock

tinister
07-09-2011, 11:37 AM
Those gloves and boots are beautiful.
This custom will look epic!
Man i'm jalous lol
When you think you already have a really cool HT suit you see this project and cry ^^


SWEET FANCY MOSES! :google... :clap ...:bow.... :panic: ....:horror.....:thud:

This project is insane! Tinister, you are ludicrously skilled. Seriously, those sculpted gloves are phenomenal! Truly.

What an ambitious undertaking. I look over at my Hot Toys Kane and set it on fire :(

Thread subscribed.


Holy crap, this is some amazing work! All hail, this is one project HT should undoubtedly take notice of. Gloves look amazing, very professional and realistic. Boots, the same. I'm very impressed with how close your fabric looks to the actual suit, which only pushes the pro vibe even further! Great custom and I can not wait to see the final result.

:rock

:1-1:You guys are too kind :) I'm really happy with how it's shaping up too. I'll try to finish the trunk and arms of the suit this weekend. Sort of dreading the quilt work involved.

Making this fabric suit has made it clear to me why HT went with the rubber suits. It would have taken way too much time and manpower for them to make suits for each figure. And would have resulted in a figure that would been expensive. And they probably thought the market wasn't there.

Reliquary
07-09-2011, 07:05 PM
Just amazing, tinister! Keep it going! I also look forward to seeing pics of the finished product.

abake
07-10-2011, 07:34 AM
Amazing work Tin! Congratulations on what is set to become a masterpiece.
Any chance you might offer some of the updates your doing for sale? Like gloves and boots?

Also, shouldn't this be in the Aliens/Robots section?

olbertfrog
07-10-2011, 08:34 AM
Probably asked this before but will you offer some boots and gloves?
If you do i'm definitly interested ^^
Planning on sculpting other parts?
I think there's a Hurt HS coming right?

tinister
07-10-2011, 10:26 AM
Just amazing, tinister! Keep it going! I also look forward to seeing pics of the finished product.


Amazing work Tin! Congratulations on what is set to become a masterpiece.
Any chance you might offer some of the updates your doing for sale? Like gloves and boots?

Also, shouldn't this be in the Aliens/Robots section?


Probably asked this before but will you offer some boots and gloves?
If you do i'm definitly interested ^^
Planning on sculpting other parts?
I think there's a Hurt HS coming right?

Thanks fellas! :)

Olbertfrog & Abake: It should be easy to make duplicates of the gloves, boots and Hurt HS - so I may make some of those available later down the line. That's pretty much it as far as sculpted pieces.

I just about done with the top part of the suit. Update pics coming soon. Tin

Rorywan
07-10-2011, 11:21 AM
Tin, have you seen the new "Alien - Vault" book?
Just picked it up yesterday. Some good suit ref in I have never seen before.

tinister
07-10-2011, 11:48 AM
Tin, have you seen the new "Alien - Vault" book?
Just picked it up yesterday. Some good suit ref in I have never seen before.

Thanks for the word Rory! :) I'll check it out. At some point - I may make a second "uber accurate" suit since this current suit is far from 100% accurate.

tinister
07-10-2011, 07:03 PM
I've refined the quilt stitch pattern so that it matches the real suits much better than on my earlier version of the suit. Still a lot of stitching involved unfortunately lol.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane23.jpg

tinister
07-13-2011, 02:45 AM
Okay. Didn't manage to finish as much as I wanted to before my trip - so he's gonna have to wait til I get back.

- Replaced all of the vinyl straps with leather straps. Took forever but the whole armor fits more secure now because the suede straps don't loosen up.

- Finished the trunk of the suit. Quilting took forever as usual. I ended up making the trunk as two pieces to allow poseability.

- Modified all of the buckles so that the fastener is square like on the real suit (instead of triangular).

Some quick pics. More when I get back from Vegas!

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_1.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_2.jpg
http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_3.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_4.jpg

tinister
07-13-2011, 03:17 AM
Just noticed that the gun holster and belt is hanging below his waist - and the buckle is on the wrong side. Makes his legs look short lol.

galactiboy
07-13-2011, 06:29 AM
This is just too fantastic for words!!! You are just knocking this out of the park Tinister!

Hurry back from your trip :pray:

tinister
07-13-2011, 11:26 AM
This is just too fantastic for words!!! You are just knocking this out of the park Tinister!

Hurry back from your trip :pray:

Thanks Galactiboy. I can't wait to finish him. Really all that needed is to make the sleeves and then sew them to the trunk.

And paint the gloves and boots. Not sure what colors yet since reference pics show two color schemes. Pics of the original suit on display show an almost military green pair of gloves - with an undertone of yellow or tan. But still images from the movie show sand or off-white gloves - with dark gray pads and a hint of yellow. My thinking is that the gloves on display have turned greenish with age - so I"m better off trying to match the color of the screengrabs.

The boots seem to be a light gray/blue - with the soles and straps being slightly darker than the body.

Then I can start the fun part - weathering out everything. The suit is so clean right now that it looks TOO bulky. Weathering with reduce that impression.

Last part will be the Hurt HS.

galactiboy
07-13-2011, 11:30 AM
I'd definitely go with the screen look... seems like its very common for odd things to happen to props over the years; they weren't made to last.

Mad Old Lu
07-13-2011, 11:36 AM
Simply amazing work, Tin! It's a rare talent to be able to one-up a Hot Toys figure to the extent you have!

Beautiful work!

Blade3327
07-13-2011, 11:53 AM
Too awesome! Can't wait to see it finished, and with the torso area filled in, the big picture's definitely coming together.

tinister
07-13-2011, 12:35 PM
Simply amazing work, Tin! It's a rare talent to be able to one-up a Hot Toys figure to the extent you have!

Beautiful work!


Too awesome! Can't wait to see it finished, and with the torso area filled in, the big picture's definitely coming together.

Thanks Mad Old Lu & Blade3327! :)

The torso part of the suit was more challenging than I expected. I really wanted the figure to be flexible at the waste. One of the faults of the HT rubber suit was that the figure was pretty much stuck in the upright position. You couldn't even risk simple poses (or the suit would tear).

But a rigid plastic figure doesn't conform to a fabric suit like the human body does. So a suit fitted perfectly to a plastic figure will still be restrictive at certain points. In this case - the small of the back and buttock area. When I sewed the torso to the pants - the suit prevented the figure from bending forward at the waist.

So I had to seperate the torso to two parts: A "waist" part that is sewn to the pants. then a "chest" part that over-hangs over the waist part and is only attached to the waist part at the front. This allows the back of the waist part of the suit to move freely up and down underneath the chest part when the figure bends forward at the waist.

This allows for the figure to be placed in subtle but very human poses - which is important since the suit is so bulky it conceals the human form.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_5.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_6.jpg

Some shots in Alien-esque lighting :lol
http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_7.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_8.jpg

r5150s
07-13-2011, 12:58 PM
holy cow ! I'm not really a fan of the first movie but this is just phenomenal work ! attention to detail is absolutely fantastic !!! btw, what material do you use for sculpting the gloves and boots ? again..they look incredible !

Rob

Alice Adrenochrome
07-13-2011, 01:01 PM
This is simply incredible. That's rock and roll!!!

tinister
07-13-2011, 01:42 PM
holy cow ! I'm not really a fan of the first movie but this is just phenomenal work ! attention to detail is absolutely fantastic !!! btw, what material do you use for sculpting the gloves and boots ? again..they look incredible !

Rob

Thanks Rob! :) For the gloves and boots - I use a clay called "Magic Sculpt". It's a two-component clay. When you kneed equal amounts together - you have roughly 2 hours to sculpt before it cures. Once it cures - you can chisel, carve, etc. I love it because it's easy to sculpt with. Not sticky - and if you wait about 15 minutes after mixing; it takes on a nice hardness that makes it super easy to handle while working. And once cured - it is hard as a rock, but yet carves easily.

Is a little expensive though. But I prefer it over heat curing clays.

tinister
07-13-2011, 01:43 PM
This is simply incredible. That's rock and roll!!!

Thanks Alice Adrenochrome! :)

tinister
07-13-2011, 05:11 PM
:wink1::)

http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_9.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_10.jpg

tinister
07-13-2011, 05:14 PM
http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_11.jpg

Crimsonbob
07-13-2011, 05:22 PM
That's looking sick :rock

barryo
07-13-2011, 05:36 PM
it's just looking more and more phenomenal.......:clap

Wor-Gar
07-13-2011, 05:47 PM
This custom makes me MAD!

Because I don't have it! :gah:

tinister
07-13-2011, 07:57 PM
That's looking sick :rock


it's just looking more and more phenomenal.......:clap


This custom makes me MAD!

Because I don't have it! :gah:

Thanks fellas! :)
Wor-gar: :lol You don't need one of these - your Kane suit is still in good shape. If it ends up disintegrating - I can help you make a new suit :wink1:

dano669
07-13-2011, 08:04 PM
Mate that is probably the best alien custom there is. Your sewing abilities are awesome. Can't wait to see this finished.
Will you be offering any if your sculpted parts for sale
Ie boots, gloves and head.

tinister
07-13-2011, 08:16 PM
Mate that is probably the best alien custom there is. Your sewing abilities are awesome. Can't wait to see this finished.
Will you be offering any if your sculpted parts for sale
Ie boots, gloves and head.

Thanks Dano! :) I will likely have the gloves, boots, and head available. The gloves and boots would be slightly different from the ones seen here. They will be more screen accurate since I expect to have better reference pics for them soon. These are definitely more accurate than the original HT sculpts, but not 100%.

I'll post a thread in commerce when those are available. Thanks mate!

Jmek
07-14-2011, 12:01 AM
Tin, enjoy Vegas mate, but please hurry back to finish off this amazing piece of customisation! Think of us all hanging here. :impatient::wink1:

tinister
07-14-2011, 04:14 AM
Tin, enjoy Vegas mate, but please hurry back to finish off this amazing piece of customisation! Think of us all hanging here. :impatient::wink1:

lol. I'll be back on Sunday night - but probably won't have any update til mid next week.

galactiboy
07-14-2011, 08:31 AM
Thanks fellas! :)
Wor-gar: :lol You don't need one of these - your Kane suit is still in good shape. If it ends up disintegrating - I can help you make a new suit :wink1:

Suddenly WG begins praying that his suit starts to disintegrate :pray: :lol

tinister
07-14-2011, 11:16 AM
Suddenly WG begins praying that his suit starts to disintegrate :pray: :lol

lol :rotfl

King Darkness
07-15-2011, 02:05 AM
http://signalburst.org/tintruong/Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_11.jpg

Jeez..... :thud:


Now I hate my Hot Toys versions. Thnx for that Tinister.

Wor-Gar
07-15-2011, 09:52 AM
I am wishing... upon a lucky star :lol

Seeing that almost complete, I'm thinking you should make a 'Lucky Star' Ripley final battle suit in all white. Now that you have the patterns down. With a Ripley sculpt behind the "frosted" visor, it would be so wicked to go along with the Giger Alien.

Just thinking about that match up makes me... :thud:

tinister
07-15-2011, 10:07 AM
I'm already planning a Ripley :)
Her suit is actually different in many ways (besides being white) but I definitely can use the same basic patterns.

Rorywan
07-15-2011, 10:31 AM
Amazing, amazing work Tin.
:thud::clap:thud:

emh1000
07-15-2011, 11:19 AM
Holy shi'ite! Great Work

lerath666
07-15-2011, 12:02 PM
never understood why HT went with rubber for those suits. that looks so amazing.

Wor-Gar
07-15-2011, 06:59 PM
Yeah, tinister, you really should post this on HT's Facebook page.

siquisiri
07-16-2011, 01:39 AM
mass WORKMANSHIP! congrats!

olbertfrog
07-16-2011, 06:35 AM
Wonder if a small company could produce more suit based on your design.

Wor-Gar
07-16-2011, 10:54 AM
I'm already planning a Ripley :)


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/Wor-Gar/CitizenKaneBuseyclap.gif

tinister
07-18-2011, 02:57 PM
Jeez..... :thud:


Now I hate my Hot Toys versions. Thnx for that Tinister.
:lol:monkey3


Amazing, amazing work Tin.
:thud::clap:thud:
Thanks Rory! :)


Holy shi'ite! Great Work
Thanks emh1000 :)


never understood why HT went with rubber for those suits. that looks so amazing.
Thanks lerath66! :) And I agree in regards to the rubber suits.


Yeah, tinister, you really should post this on HT's Facebook page.

I may do that when I'm completely done :)

tinister
07-18-2011, 06:25 PM
mass WORKMANSHIP! congrats!

Thanks siquisiri! :)

abake
07-18-2011, 07:45 PM
Wow Tin, this is simply amazing!
The level of craftsmanship is stunning!
Congrats dude, you will have by far the ultimate Alien figure.

tinister
07-18-2011, 10:36 PM
Wow Tin, this is simply amazing!
The level of craftsmanship is stunning!
Congrats dude, you will have by far the ultimate Alien figure.

Thanks Abake! :)

tinister
07-18-2011, 10:41 PM
There was one armor component that HT missed that I kept seeing in reference pics. Underneath the chest plate and attached to the right and left rib of the suit are two downward pointing nozzle attachements. They sort of look like nozzle attachments from a vacuum cleaner.

Not sure what they are, but they add a cool detail to the side profile of the suit - so I decided to sculpt them. Can't attach them to the suit until I'm 100% done with the suit and have tinted.

Here's a pic of the nozzle attachments:
http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_12.jpg

tinister
07-19-2011, 09:24 PM
Finally had time to sew on the arms. So the suit proper is pretty much done. It just needs the gauntlets on each forearm - which I'm making out of leather. And elbow guards similar to the shin guards. For the elbow guards I'll have to approach it differently then the shin guards since these need to be more flexible since they sit right where the elbow bends.

I'm also making custom chest, shoulder, and back under-garment that will attach the neck bracket to the suit.

Then it's all about the weathering and then the suit is 100% done.

The arms were a pain to stuff but came out really nice:

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_13.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_14.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_15.jpg

Wor-Gar
07-19-2011, 09:26 PM
SICK! That's just sick!

:thud:

Blade3327
07-19-2011, 09:43 PM
I love you. Shh, shh, shh... don't ruin it.

tinister
07-19-2011, 09:48 PM
SICK! That's just sick!

:thud:

Thanks Wor-Gar :)

The tricky part has been balancing out the level of stuffing between the legs and the arms. I looked at tons of photos and it looks like they purposely made the arms look slightly large in comparison to the legs - which gives the suit that cool top-heavy look.

The arms look a little too stuffed in these pics, but the guantlets will further reduce the thickness around the forearms. And the elbow guards when applied will also reduce the front profile of the arms some more.

The other subtle but necessary thing I modified that isn't visible is with the shoulder pieces. The way HT designed them - they have these rather bulky attachments underneath that caused the pieces to sit a little too raised from the figure's shoulders. This made the shoulder armor appear too big.

I removed these attachments and replaced them with thin mini velcro so that the shoulder pieces sit as flushed with the figure's shoulders as much as possible. Giving the shoulders a more realistic front profile.

The velcro also makes applying and removing the shoulder armor a piece of cake compared to before.

tinister
07-19-2011, 09:48 PM
I love you. Shh, shh, shh... don't ruin it.

LOL :rotfl

Wor-Gar
07-19-2011, 09:51 PM
Insane attention to detail and ability to make improvements for not only accuracy but functionality as well.

My hat's off to you! :bow



Finally had time to sew on the arms. So the suit proper is pretty much done. It just needs the gauntlets on each forearm - which I'm making out of leather. And elbow guards similar to the shin guards. For the elbow guards I'll have to approach it differently then the shin guards since these need to be more flexible since they sit right where the elbow bends.

I'm also making custom chest, shoulder, and back under-garment that will attach the neck bracket to the suit.

Then it's all about the weathering and then the suit is 100% done.

The arms were a pain to stuff but came out really nice:

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_13.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_14.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_15.jpg

tinister
07-19-2011, 09:53 PM
http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_16.jpg

tinister
07-20-2011, 02:54 AM
The guantlets attached. I have to glue on the little stud pattern to the main band part later.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_17.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_18.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_19.jpg

Rorywan
07-20-2011, 02:57 AM
No, thats sickeningly good and I want it.
:crying

DSD
07-20-2011, 03:18 AM
I don't visit here much anymore, as I am kind of out of the collecting loop for a bit, but just wanted to say that this thread is everything I love about this hobby. Astounding work, you should be very proud.

galactiboy
07-20-2011, 07:04 AM
:panic::panic::panic::panic::panic:

Crimsonbob
07-20-2011, 08:46 AM
That's amazing :)

Jmek
07-20-2011, 10:05 AM
Hey Tin, hope you had a nice break. I can't believe you managed to produce such an amazing piece of work in such a short space of time. :clap

Are you going to to do a Kane head sculpt as well?

tinister
07-20-2011, 10:17 AM
No, thats sickeningly good and I want it.
:crying

Thanks Rory :)


I don't visit here much anymore, as I am kind of out of the collecting loop for a bit, but just wanted to say that this thread is everything I love about this hobby. Astounding work, you should be very proud.

Thanks for the kind words DSD :) I need to make more time to work on projects like this. I also took a long break from the hobby. A couple years actually. Just recently got back to it. Feels good.


:panic::panic::panic::panic::panic:

Thanks Galactiboy :)


That's amazing

Thanks Crimsonbob! :)


Hey Tin, hope you had a nice break. I can't believe you managed to produce such an amazing piece of work in such a short space of time.

Are you going to to do a Kane head sculpt as well?

Thanks Jmek! I do plan to make a Kane head. That's the very last part of this project. I want to get the suit 100% done including weathering first.

VoidDweller
07-20-2011, 10:26 AM
That right there is a beautiful thing. Awesome job, tin!! :clap

tinister
07-20-2011, 11:07 AM
That right there is a beautiful thing. Awesome job, tin!! :clap

Thanks VoidDweller :) I'm having a hard time narrowing down the right material for the gauntlets. I was going to use some more suede, but it doesn't have the right sheen on the surface. Hopefully I've got enough scrap leather somewhere that works. I also need a good surface that I can glue the studs to. Suede isn't good for that.

Reinhardt
07-20-2011, 01:59 PM
I hate my Hot toys figure now. I hate this thread. I love this thread.

olbertfrog
07-20-2011, 03:50 PM
Beyond Awesome.
Hate you. ^^

tinister
07-20-2011, 06:13 PM
Beyond Awesome.
Hate you. ^^


I hate my Hot toys figure now. I hate this thread. I love this thread.

Thanks guys :) Love you too :lol

tinister
07-20-2011, 08:50 PM
The final gauntlets. I ended up using strips of vinyl with two wire rings stitched into each edge. With vinyl I was able to superglue the studs on in the honeycomb pattern. Came out really well.

I still need to weather them out when I weather the other armor pieces later.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_20.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_21.jpg
http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_22.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_23.jpg

abake
07-20-2011, 09:40 PM
Bloody hell dude!
That is amazing.

So when can I expect it to arrive? :D

Blade3327
07-20-2011, 11:21 PM
Oh, my lord... If it's begging to be displayed on my shelf right now, I can't even imagine how good it'll look with weathering (which HT didn't even do). Great update as usual!

DSD
07-21-2011, 04:29 AM
Your sculpting looks really clean. Do you use Sculpey Firm as it comes, or is it a blend?

tinister
07-21-2011, 08:18 AM
Your sculpting looks really clean. Do you use Sculpey Firm as it comes, or is it a blend?

Thanks DSD. I use a product called "Magic Sculpt". It's an air-curing two component clay. To smooth the surface I either use an X-acto blade to scrape (when 100% cured) or I'll use a little water when the clay is still soft (applied with a finger or brush). Tin

tinister
07-21-2011, 08:26 AM
Bloody hell dude!
That is amazing.

So when can I expect it to arrive? :D

LOL. Thanks Abake :wink1: I will probably make casts of the gloves, boots, and head available at some point. But the suit would be difficult since you pretty much have to sew it onto the body in pieces (to make it easier to apply the stuffing underneath).


Oh, my lord... If it's begging to be displayed on my shelf right now, I can't even imagine how good it'll look with weathering (which HT didn't even do). Great update as usual!

Thanks Blade :) Weathering is the fun part :wink1:
HT did weather the armor a bit, but it wasn't anywhere near enough as compared to reference pics from the movie. There should be much more of that whitish sea foam oxydation on the armor. That's what I plan to add. As for the fabric suit - the ones in the movie were absolutely grimey. Like they just came from a coal mine.

tinister
07-21-2011, 09:53 AM
I redistributed the stuffing around a little bit to get more poseability. Still pretty good flexibility considering how bulky the suit is. If you look on the ground at his feet you can see the painted custom nozzle attachments for underneath the chest plate.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_24.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_25.jpg

FlyAndFight
07-21-2011, 10:19 AM
Just found this thread and wanted to add to the accolades already posted. Amazing job, my friend.

I also went and checked on my Kane and Dallas and both are in fine shape, thankfully. I've got them displayed in a Detolf. I also have an extra Kane which I have on my desk at home and he too is in good shape. I was planning on converting that one to a Lambert at some time in the future...

Can't wait to see more of your work!

Mad Old Lu
07-21-2011, 10:33 AM
Truly amazing work, Tin.:bow A work of art.

tinister
07-21-2011, 04:39 PM
Just found this thread and wanted to add to the accolades already posted. Amazing job, my friend.

I also went and checked on my Kane and Dallas and both are in fine shape, thankfully. I've got them displayed in a Detolf. I also have an extra Kane which I have on my desk at home and he too is in good shape. I was planning on converting that one to a Lambert at some time in the future...

Can't wait to see more of your work!

Thanks FlyAndFight! :) I'm pretty sure as long as you have them displayed you're okay. The issues seem to arrive after a long period boxed. And I'm sure climate is a factor too.

I also em tempted to do a Lambert because I actually like her blue suit the most out of the three. We would need a shorter body though.


Truly amazing work, Tin.:bow A work of art.

Thanks Mad Old Lu! :)

abake
07-21-2011, 06:00 PM
LOL. Thanks Abake :wink1: I will probably make casts of the gloves, boots, and head available at some point. But the suit would be difficult since you pretty much have to sew it onto the body in pieces (to make it easier to apply the stuffing underneath).



Thanks Blade :) Weathering is the fun part :wink1:
HT did weather the armor a bit, but it wasn't anywhere near enough as compared to reference pics from the movie. There should be much more of that whitish sea foam oxydation on the armor. That's what I plan to add. As for the fabric suit - the ones in the movie were absolutely grimey. Like they just came from a coal mine.

Awesome dude!
Dallas and Kane deserve the best for their outfits!

Wor-Gar
07-21-2011, 09:21 PM
This is one custom project that could go to SDCC and hang with Nicholson Joker and Jack Sparrow. It's that good. Seriously.

Nice you got the articulation maintained and vastly improved from the HT versions.

Now how are you gonna do the working 'steam' that's always pumping out of their suits (CO2 excess). You were gonna do that, right? You're not quiting now, are you? :D

tinister
07-21-2011, 09:44 PM
This is one custom project that could go to SDCC and hang with Nicholson Joker and Jack Sparrow. It's that good. Seriously.

Nice you got the articulation maintained and vastly improved from the HT versions.

Now how are you gonna do the working 'steam' that's always pumping out of their suits (CO2 excess). You were gonna do that, right? You're not quiting now, are you? :D

Thanks Wor-Gar! :) That HT Joker is amazing. He, 89 Bats, and the Batmobile made my must-have list as soon as I saw those.

Steam huh? Hmmmm :wink1:

Reinhardt
07-22-2011, 07:19 AM
One of the greatest things I have ever seen. Feels like there is more detail in this than in the real thing!!

screamingmetal
07-22-2011, 09:29 AM
Absolutely amazing job Tinister!

This is what Hot Toys should've made in the first place. I knew the rubber suit was a bad idea and would deteriorate overtime, and HT was capable of better.

No more rubber bodies or suits Hot Toys!
It's the main reason I'm skipping on their excl. Batman figure (they still haven't learned).

tinister
07-24-2011, 04:25 PM
One of the greatest things I have ever seen. Feels like there is more detail in this than in the real thing!!

Thanks Reinhardt! :)


Absolutely amazing job Tinister!

This is what Hot Toys should've made in the first place. I knew the rubber suit was a bad idea and would deteriorate overtime, and HT was capable of better.

No more rubber bodies or suits Hot Toys!
It's the main reason I'm skipping on their excl. Batman figure (they still haven't learned).

Thanks Screamingmetal! :) When I got the Kane way back - it was such a 50/50 mix of excitement and disappointed. Loved the armor pieces, and really disappointed with the rubber suit. Wasn't expecting that at all. I actually ended up buying an extra months later for cheap and tried to alter the rubber suit. That attempt came out okay, but was still a rubber suit.

So when my only Kane left disintegrated - I had no more option but to make this fabric version.

uscmhicks
07-24-2011, 04:27 PM
This turned out incredible. Amazing job mate !.

tinister
07-24-2011, 04:27 PM
Just finished painting and weathering all of the accessories:

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_26.jpg

uscmhicks
07-24-2011, 04:30 PM
:horror Just as I post you update with even more awesomeness !.
Amazing !.

tinister
07-24-2011, 04:43 PM
:) lol. Thanks Uscmhicks!

tinister
07-24-2011, 04:44 PM
http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_27.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_28.jpg

galactiboy
07-24-2011, 05:53 PM
Just gets better and better... this project is overflowing with win!!!

tinister
07-24-2011, 08:44 PM
This is the first photos of the painted and weathered gear mounted onto the color corrected Kane fabric suit. I used "Rit" dye to dye the entire suit light yellow (sand). Then added the white swatch around the forearms afterwards. This color scheme matches Kane's colors from the movie much closer than the white and orange it was before.

I've also weathered the shin guards.

The suit is now 99% done. I just need to make and attach the elbow shin guards to the back of the arms. And then add additional fabric weathering.

Here are some photos. I'm not including shots of the back until the elbow guards are done.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_29.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_30.jpg
http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_31.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_32.jpg

tinister
07-24-2011, 08:48 PM
In this close-up you can see the two custom nozzle attachments underneath the chest plate:

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_33.jpg

Y4NK33 PL4N3T
07-24-2011, 09:03 PM
Wow this looks spectacular Tin :rock

tinister
07-24-2011, 09:19 PM
Just gets better and better... this project is overflowing with win!!!


Wow this looks spectacular Tin :rock

Thanks guys! :)

tinister
07-24-2011, 09:19 PM
http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_34.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_35.jpg

tinister
07-24-2011, 09:42 PM
BTW: I should have the John Hurt Kane head done by end of next weekend hehe.

Blade3327
07-24-2011, 09:58 PM
Total awe and disbelief... this isn't simply the figure Hot Toys should've made, but it's one of the best Alien figures out there. Brilliant custom and incredibly authentic. Seeing the coloring finally finished is unreal, looks like John Hurt walked right out of the film and onto your work table.

tinister
07-24-2011, 10:07 PM
Total awe and disbelief... this isn't simply the figure Hot Toys should've made, but it's one of the best Alien figures out there. Brilliant custom and incredibly authentic. Seeing the coloring finally finished is unreal, looks like John Hurt walked right out of the film and onto your work table.

Thanks Blade! Now I feel the pressure to get the Hurt head right lol :lol

prefused
07-24-2011, 10:15 PM
just looked through the whole thread. this takes a level of craftsmanship and artistry that's hard to find, even on here. this is a great piece of art.

elvis1976
07-24-2011, 10:16 PM
That is one of the most impressive 1/6 project i have ever seen!
My hats off to you.

Sachiel
07-24-2011, 10:24 PM
Fantastic job!

If the Hot Toys figures were made like this, I would have actually bought them.

abake
07-24-2011, 10:25 PM
I hate you.






Seriously.
What an amazing feat to make that suit in fabric!
You are a true master, congratulations Tin!

dano669
07-24-2011, 10:37 PM
Outstanding. Can't wait for the sculpt.
Absolutely brilliant your hard work has definitely paid off.

siquisiri
07-24-2011, 11:22 PM
Mass talent bro. Congrats. This looks 100x's better!

mmurrer
07-24-2011, 11:27 PM
Stunning work, dude! Congratulations! Not only did you address the issues with the rubber suit, you made the figure look much better! You're my hero! =)

King Darkness
07-24-2011, 11:29 PM
That is brilliant work :bow :bow :bow

Are you doing the John Hurt sculpt yourself? Will you be offering it here?


I would love to have a Hurt sculpt for my Kane.

tinister
07-25-2011, 01:07 AM
just looked through the whole thread. this takes a level of craftsmanship and artistry that's hard to find, even on here. this is a great piece of art.

Thanks very much for the compliments prefused :)


That is one of the most impressive 1/6 project i have ever seen!
My hats off to you.

Thanks Elvis! :)


Fantastic job!

If the Hot Toys figures were made like this, I would have actually bought them.

Thanks Sachiel! :)


I hate you.

Seriously.
What an amazing feat to make that suit in fabric!
You are a true master, congratulations Tin!

LOL. Thanks as always Abake :)


Outstanding. Can't wait for the sculpt.
Absolutely brilliant your hard work has definitely paid off.

Thanks dano. I'm happy with it :)


Mass talent bro. Congrats. This looks 100x's better!


Stunning work, dude! Congratulations! Not only did you address the issues with the rubber suit, you made the figure look much better! You're my hero! =)

Thanks mmurrer :1-1:


That is brilliant work :bow :bow :bow

Are you doing the John Hurt sculpt yourself? Will you be offering it here?


I would love to have a Hurt sculpt for my Kane.

Thanks again King Darkness :) Yes - I'm sculpting the head myself. And I'll likely have castings available at some point (if it turns out nice).

King Darkness
07-25-2011, 01:43 AM
Awesome tinister! Would definitely be interested in one if/when one is offered.

Reinhardt
07-25-2011, 10:08 AM
Why do I keep coming to this thread??? Seriously, all it makes me feel is crappier about my figures. :lol

prefused
07-25-2011, 10:43 AM
Thanks again King Darkness :) Yes - I'm sculpting the head myself. And I'll likely have castings available at some point (if it turns out nice).
i'll probably be down for a Hurt head cast as well (if it turns out nice). and if you could whip up a couple more of these suits for us real quick, that would be great too.

FlyAndFight
07-25-2011, 06:05 PM
Brilliant work of art.

playa7
07-25-2011, 06:55 PM
That is one beautifully crafted suit! :clap

tinister
07-25-2011, 08:50 PM
Why do I keep coming to this thread??? Seriously, all it makes me feel is crappier about my figures. :lol
:rotfl Thanks Reinhardt! :)


Brilliant work of art.
Thanks FlyAndFight! :)


That is one beautifully crafted suit! :clap
Thank you playa7 :)

Space Jockey
07-25-2011, 09:27 PM
Ooh, VERY nice!

I congratulate you sir, with brand new patches.
Enjoy. :cool:

tinister
07-25-2011, 10:52 PM
Ooh, VERY nice!

I congratulate you sir, with brand new patches.
Enjoy. :cool:

Thanks for these Space Jockey! :hi5:
I know that there's a patch on the back left pocket of the suit.
Do you know where the others go? I will incorporate onto the suit for sure. Tin

tinister
07-26-2011, 12:27 AM
A series of head rigging tests before I get too far with the Kane headsculpt. The original HT head was slightly too small in my opinion. And this Ghostbusters Bill Murray head is slightly too big. So I have to get my custom head somewhere in the middle.

The HT helmet sat almost straight up on the shoulders. So to compsensate - the neck on the HT was unnaturally long in order to push the head up to be visible (and still it wasn't high enough).

In order for the head to look both visible and natural - two things have to be done: the helmet has to be mounted leaning forward on the shoulders, and the figure has to be balanced enough so that he upper body can be hunched forward (another thing difficult to do with the HT rubber suit). This will give the head just enough clearance through the visor to be visible like in the movie. You need to at least see from the bottom of the nose up.

Here are some test pictures with the Murray head mounted in this way. It took me a lot of playing around to get this to look right. It's trickier than you'd think.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_37.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_38.jpg
http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_39.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_40.jpg

Reinhardt
07-26-2011, 04:52 AM
Looks great. Yeah, for mine, I have my heads just sitting on the neck (and not snapped into place), and have some blu tac keeping it in place. The heads sit waaaay too low normally.

Space Jockey
07-26-2011, 05:15 AM
Thanks for these Space Jockey! :hi5:
I know that there's a patch on the back left pocket of the suit.
Do you know where the others go? I will incorporate onto the suit for sure. Tin

Kane has the triangular UK Tricentenial Patch (the one without the star in the middle) on the back left pocket; the 'KANE' nameplate replaces the inaccurate one Hot Toys provides on his chestplate.
The other triangular patches go on Dallas and Lambert.

I did all these patches a long while ago incase they released more of the crew in the Hot Toys line, but unfortunately they never did. :monkey2

Mad Old Lu
07-26-2011, 08:32 AM
That is simply outstanding work, Tin! Truly great!

sprig0701
07-26-2011, 08:46 AM
Superb craftsmanship!!

Jmek
07-26-2011, 01:40 PM
Tin, I can't put in to words just how marvellous your work on this is. Suffice to say it blows Hot Toys effort out of the water and then some. The Nostromo crew in their away suits was the first image I ever saw from Alien, on the cover of Starburst magazine. It was an image that gripped me and kick started my fascination with the film. Can't wait to see him with the new head sculpt.

jutty
07-26-2011, 01:44 PM
damn that is truly a superb piece of work,well done...hope the suit on mine doesnt deteriorate..then again the room its in the temp in there is always approx 70F,

Kamandi
07-26-2011, 06:50 PM
That is fantastic custom work! I'm looking forward to the new Kane sculpt. Bookmarked your thread.

tinister
07-26-2011, 07:36 PM
That is simply outstanding work, Tin! Truly great!

Thanks as always Mad Old Lu :)


Superb craftsmanship!!
Thanks sprig0701! :)


Tin, I can't put in to words just how marvellous your work on this is. Suffice to say it blows Hot Toys effort out of the water and then some. The Nostromo crew in their away suits was the first image I ever saw from Alien, on the cover of Starburst magazine. It was an image that gripped me and kick started my fascination with the film. Can't wait to see him with the new head sculpt.
Thanks Jmek! I've always had a fondness for these spacesuits for two reasons. The first is similar to you; I was a kid and remember seeing images of the movie (including shots of the suits) and was just captivated. I think part of it is because everything about the movie was SO different from Star Wars - which was the predominant movie at the time. It's starkness and "alien" feel (no pun intended) was awesome. And secondly - I learned much later that Moebius designed the suits. Moebius is one of my all-time favorite visionaries.


damn that is truly a superb piece of work,well done...hope the suit on mine doesnt deteriorate..then again the room its in the temp in there is always approx 70F,
Thanks jutty! :) 70 is a good temp. And remember to display yours and not box it.


That is fantastic custom work! I'm looking forward to the new Kane sculpt. Bookmarked your thread.
Thanks Kamandi! :) I should have the elbow guards done soon. Then it's just the head and I'm finished.

tinister
07-26-2011, 07:38 PM
Kane has the triangular UK Tricentenial Patch (the one without the star in the middle) on the back left pocket; the 'KANE' nameplate replaces the inaccurate one Hot Toys provides on his chestplate.
The other triangular patches go on Dallas and Lambert.

I did all these patches a long while ago incase they released more of the crew in the Hot Toys line, but unfortunately they never did. :monkey2

Thanks Space Jockey! I'm going to go to Michael's this weekend and get sticker sheets to print the name plate. For the triangle patch - I'll get some of those printer friendly iron on paper. First time trying them so hopfully they work.

tinister
07-26-2011, 09:51 PM
One little detail I was disappointed with on the original HT helmet was the fact that the overhead dome light didn't eluminate Kane's face inside the helmet. At first I thought it was just positioning of the head/face. But playing around with that - I realized that it was the actual housing of the LEDs that was blocking off the light source.

So I've made the following mods to the helmet lighting system:

Refer to image below:

1) I applied a little thinned out black enamel paint over the red instrument panel LED inside the helmet. It was too bright and overshadowed any light coming from the dome light. The enamel coat still allows the red LED to be visible, but the light from it is muted by about 60%.

2) I carved out some of the housing frame around the bottom of the dome LED to expose more of the bulb on the bottom side of the housing. This allows more of the LED light to be directed downward through the visor and onto Kane's face. The housing before directed most of the light straight forward - missing Kanes face almost completely.

With the red LED reduced - the face gets eluminated much better (especially with the face positioned more upward now in my new helmet configuration on Kane's shoulders).

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_41.jpg

I tried to take some pictures of the eluminated face, but it's not possible with my camera. But it looks like how the faces are lit in the movie.

I also plan to add condensation effects on the visor to match the movie. This should catch the light and make the elumination even more noticeable.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_42.jpg

rivera2171
07-27-2011, 05:49 AM
Amazing,amazing,amazing!
The quality of your work is truly exceptional! The suit looks fantastic!

FlyAndFight
07-27-2011, 09:27 AM
Kane has the triangular UK Tricentenial Patch (the one without the star in the middle) on the back left pocket; the 'KANE' nameplate replaces the inaccurate one Hot Toys provides on his chestplate.
The other triangular patches go on Dallas and Lambert.

I did all these patches a long while ago incase they released more of the crew in the Hot Toys line, but unfortunately they never did. :monkey2

Thanks for sharing!! :duff




Thanks Space Jockey! I'm going to go to Michael's this weekend and get sticker sheets to print the name plate. For the triangle patch - I'll get some of those printer friendly iron on paper. First time trying them so hopfully they work.

Good idea regarding the iron-on paper. I will definitely follow your lead.

Thanks!!

tinister
07-28-2011, 08:59 PM
Just making some minor tweaks to the suit in between waiting for the Hurt sculpt to cure. No one would notice the tweaks except me:

- I wasn't 100% happy with how the shin guards were conforming to the legs. Looked too stiff compared to the read thing. Then I noticed on some reference pics that it seems on top of strapping the guards - they also stitched it to the pantlegs. So I did the same and the shape is much better. I'm also on the hunt for a lighter shade of brown for the straps.

- I wasn't 100% happy with the little gap between the sculpted gloves and the sleeve of the arms. So I added a fabric brim on the glove wrists to bridge the gap. Not screen accurate, but it helps to make that area more solid. I just need to grime them up a bit later to blend them in with the arm sleeves.

- I stitched the fabric neck of the suit to have an even thinner vertical profile. It helps make the overall shoulders less bulky looking.

- Added wear and tear to the edges of the glove like the ones in the movie.

- Reduced the thickness of the guantlets. They were too large and distracting before.

That's it for now while I work on the head. Should have the head done (maybe painted) by Sunday.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_43.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_44.jpg

tinister
07-28-2011, 09:26 PM
I finally got the dome lighting adjusted perfect so that it eluminates the inside of the helmet much better. So much so that I can see the elumination even when there is another light source in the vicinity.

The head inside is just placeholder (there's no face).

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_45.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_46.jpg

Blade3327
07-28-2011, 11:05 PM
Looking great! Eager to see that finished Hurt head in the suit. You'll have one of the coolest and most-coveted customs on the board, then. :)

Sabres21768
07-28-2011, 11:24 PM
This is truly one of the most brilliant custom things I've ever seen.

Superb job dude.

tinister
07-29-2011, 11:02 AM
Looking great! Eager to see that finished Hurt head in the suit. You'll have one of the coolest and most-coveted customs on the board, then. :)


This is truly one of the most brilliant custom things I've ever soon.

Superb job dude.

Thanks Fellas! :hi5:

I completely forgot to make elbow guards similar to the shin guards! I should have them done later tonight.

galactiboy
07-29-2011, 11:45 AM
The attention to detail and craftsmanship is staggering! Its not often that someone schools HT; but you completely did it here :rock

abake
07-29-2011, 12:18 PM
Amazing.
If you have the patterns for the fabric suit, maybe you could check if someone is up to doing that in greater numbers?

FlyAndFight
07-29-2011, 12:34 PM
Amazing.
If you have the patterns for the fabric suit, maybe you could check if someone is up to doing that in greater numbers?

And in different colors (Dallas and Lambert...) ;)

sprig0701
07-29-2011, 12:43 PM
This is beyond impressive :rock

tinister
07-29-2011, 02:24 PM
The attention to detail and craftsmanship is staggering! Its not often that someone schools HT; but you completely did it here :rock


Amazing.
If you have the patterns for the fabric suit, maybe you could check if someone is up to doing that in greater numbers?


And in different colors (Dallas and Lambert...) ;)


This is beyond impressive :rock

Thanks as always guys! :)

I'm trying to convince two of my sisters (and my fiancee) to possibly help me make a few of the suits available - based on my patterns.

Just for myself - I definitely want a Lambert and Dallas Version. I'd have to hunt down two more sets of armor though. I have an extra Dallas backpack and extra helmet. The Lambert suit needs to be scaled down a bit since she's smaller overall than the other two. Dallas is taller than Kane, but the way I designed the patterns - the arms and legs can be easily let out for Dallas.

I'll let you guys know if I can work something out.

abake
07-29-2011, 02:29 PM
That would be fantastic!

olbertfrog
07-29-2011, 05:24 PM
Definitly in for a suit set if you can make it happen ^^
Again beautiful work mate.

tinister
07-29-2011, 10:52 PM
Thanks guys. It may take some time for me to figure out a few design changes for the suit so that you guys won't end up pulling your hair out trying to get it to look right (like I had to).

For example - I may sew all the padding onto the inseam so that you guys would just need to put the suit on (it would be a two piece) and not have to massage things around to make it look right and balanced.

We'll see.

King Darkness
07-30-2011, 01:23 AM
Brilliant! Simply put, its the best custom costume work I have seen. :bow :bow :bow

olbertfrog
07-30-2011, 02:54 AM
Thanks guys. It may take some time for me to figure out a few design changes for the suit so that you guys won't end up pulling your hair out trying to get it to look right (like I had to).

For example - I may sew all the padding onto the inseam so that you guys would just need to put the suit on (it would be a two piece) and not have to massage things around to make it look right and balanced.

We'll see.

I like the way you think:clap

Reinhardt
07-30-2011, 03:16 AM
I'll echo everyone else's comments to say that this is definitely one of the coolest, most detailed, and most complex custom I have ever seen.

Now quit your LIFE and do all of ours.

tinister
07-30-2011, 07:18 PM
Just added the elbow guards. It was a pain to stitch in the brown lining but it's a detail that makes it pop. And stitching the guards to the arm straight and even on both sides took a bit of mucking around.

Some quick pics:
http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_47.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_48.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_49.jpg

abake
07-31-2011, 08:33 AM
Absolutely fantastic Tin!
You have set the bar pretty high for customizers...

tinister
07-31-2011, 08:44 PM
Brilliant! Simply put, its the best custom costume work I have seen. :bow :bow :bow


I like the way you think:clap


I'll echo everyone else's comments to say that this is definitely one of the coolest, most detailed, and most complex custom I have ever seen.

Now quit your LIFE and do all of ours.


Absolutely fantastic Tin!
You have set the bar pretty high for customizers...

Thanks guys! :)I'm about 60% done with the head (not counting paint). Hope to finish within the week. Also still have some pieces to make for the suit.

tinister
07-31-2011, 08:46 PM
btw: This figure is getting HEAVY. I'm so glad I used the super glue trick to make the joints on the figure super tight ahead of time.

Reaktwon
08-01-2011, 09:30 AM
Absolutely brilliant work there, Tinister. Ever thought of taking up surgery? :lol Lambert and Ripley next?

FLOSI
08-01-2011, 09:35 AM
Each and every time I come into this thread to see the updates I'm left shaking my head in disbelief. Absolutely mind blowing detail! :lecture It's safe to say that this is one of the best 1/6th customs I've ever seen.

Jmek
08-01-2011, 10:37 AM
Every time I come back to this thread I end up :thud: from the sheer awsomeness of Tin's updates. I suspect the Kane's sculpt going to blow my mind completely.

VoidDweller
08-01-2011, 10:52 AM
Wow! Wow! :clap:clap:clap

tinister
08-01-2011, 11:50 AM
I was trying to make use of the molded plastic under-garment that HT provided with the figure. It was essentially two chest pads (strung together) on the front - and a separate upper back pad on the back. The front and back was tethered together and attached to the helmet frame. The whole rig was then glued to the rubber suit.

It was a very minimalistic setup that left the back a little scarce in detail. Reference pics show a one-piece garment that goes from the chest over the shoulders and ends at the back.

The other problem was that the molded plastic chest pads were small. They didn't extent far enough to the right and left (as seen from the front.

Pictured here is my fabricated garment that is closer to the ones used in the film. I also switched to elastic lacing on the front (HT used wired lacing which looked sloppy). I kept the HT back pad, but attached it to my custom garment rather than just have it sit alone like how HT did it. I used the two nozzle attachments to mount the front of the garment in place.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_50.jpg

The new garment pulls the shoulder armor, chest plate, helmet, and backpack together visually. They don't look like items hanging loosely off of the body. Once I weather the garment a bit - the details I etched into the soft foam will pop out more.

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_51.jpg

Reaktwon
08-01-2011, 12:03 PM
There is a thread on a props forum where they made some exact life size replicas of the suits, but I can't find it at the moment. It has an absolute wealth or reference material on it, hundreds of photos. Have you seen it?

tinister
08-01-2011, 12:22 PM
There is a thread on a props forum where they made some exact life size replicas of the suits, but I can't find it at the moment. It has an absolute wealth or reference material on it, hundreds of photos. Have you seen it?

I have seen that thread Reaktwon. The suits those guys made are amazing. I think they won best of show at one of the ComicCons from a few years back. My dream is to eventually have a suit made for me.

tinister
08-01-2011, 12:39 PM
I dug up this old figure to show you guys how far back my obsession with these Nostromo suits go. This was a figure I made back in 1987. Back then I didn't have many reference pics, so I had to improvise on 80% of the details - and I based the overall look on Moebius illustrations.

This little guy is only 3.5 inches tall. I used a marble for the helmet dome and there's some wires used for some of the accessory details.

Could this be the first premium format figure in history? :rotfl:lol

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_52.jpg

Jmek
08-01-2011, 01:48 PM
Holy crap Tin, you just keep giving! Like you I got into Alien through seeing the suits first and they have a very special place in my heart. Have you seen the leaked Prometheus shots in the movie section? I'm disappointed with the new suits although there's a certain resonance with the original design.

tinister
08-01-2011, 02:08 PM
Holy crap Tin, you just keep giving! Like you I got into Alien through seeing the suits first and they have a very special place in my heart. Have you seen the leaked Prometheus shots in the movie section? I'm disappointed with the new suits although there's a certain resonance with the original design.

Thanks Jmek! I DID see the Prometheus shots. I don't like the slim looking suits. Ironicly those suits look like every other space suit from every other movie after "Alien". "Outland", "Armageddon", - you name it all to me are ripoffs of the Nostromo suits from "Alien".

tinister
08-01-2011, 08:56 PM
Absolutely brilliant work there, Tinister. Ever thought of taking up surgery? :lol Lambert and Ripley next?
Thanks Reaktwon! :) I'm definitely planning a Ripley next. Lambert and Dallas later on.


Each and every time I come into this thread to see the updates I'm left shaking my head in disbelief. Absolutely mind blowing detail! :lecture It's safe to say that this is one of the best 1/6th customs I've ever seen.
Thanks Flosi :hi5:


Every time I come back to this thread I end up :thud: from the sheer awsomeness of Tin's updates. I suspect the Kane's sculpt going to blow my mind completely.
Thanks Jmek :hi5:


Wow! Wow! :clap:clap:clap
Thanks as always VoidDweller! :)

tinister
08-05-2011, 03:43 PM
The suit is FINALLY 100% done and done! I've gone through and weathered out the entire suit - including the recently completed under-garments. Another mod I made was to relocate all of the strap loops on the back of the chest plate so that the straps themselves can be located more closely to how they are in the movie. I swapped in new straps all around that are closer in color to the movie - making the main strap supporting the little wench unit thicker than the rest of the rigging.

The weathering and the under-garments together pull the whole figure components together much more uniformly.

I'm about 80% done with the Kane head. That's the last finishing touch. Coming Soon!

http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_53.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_54.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_55.jpg
http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_56.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_57.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_58.jpg

tinister
08-05-2011, 04:02 PM
http://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_59.jpghttp://signalburst.org/tintruong//Nostromo_Kane_56693/kane90_60.jpg