4 VILLIANS IN SPIDER-MAN 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fubeca]

:google Avi Arad confirms 4 (http://www.azogscollection.com/index2.php?subaction=showfull&id=1149237209&archive=&start_from=&ucat=7&) villians in Spider-man 3 :monkey5

[Wor-Gar]

4?

Hobgoblin.
Venom.

Who else?

[carbo-fation]

Awesome....both the Venom and the Green Goblin are my favorite Spiderman villains. I think the fourth villain will be someone minor, like the Rhino or the Scopion.

[Batty]

How about the Lizard? Curt Connors was in SM2.

[King Darkness]

Sounds cool..I hope they can manage multipe villians better than the later Batman films did....Maybe it will be Lizard, since he has already appeared in the movies.

[King Darkness]

Damn Batty..same though at the same time, we must have ESPN...or something like that.

[Batty]

Great minds, my friend.

[King Darkness]

TWICE!!!What are the ods of that..

[Batty]

I knew you were going to say that!

[Agent0028]

I had heard something about sandman several times. Personally I don't care for the whole multiple villain thing in the movies, it seems like they never come off well. I suppose some of the smaller villains like Rhino could be tossed in, but I think scorpion could have a movie all to himself. And I really think Venom should be a solo bad guy too.

[Fubeca]

Venom, Sandman, Green Goblin (Hob Goblin?)....

Carnage as the 4th? Would be cool.

Wait I am lost though! Where was Lizard in the others?

[Agent0028]

Lizard wasn't in the others per se, Pete's professor Dr. Connors becomes the Lizard, so he was in it...from a certain point of view.

[Darklord Dave]

We know Venom and Sandman are the major villains. Hobgoblin has to play some sort of role because they set it up in 2. I'd imagine the 4th is minor as in just a single fight or a tease for a sequel. Conners and the astronaut fiance of MJ's would work well for this (remember he's Man-Wolf).

[tomandshell]

My gut tells me it's not Mysterio...

http://www.comicreaders.com/catalog/images/catalog/thumbnails/bowen-spiderman-mysterio.jpg

[TOE]

IMO... could be any 4 of these potential villains....

Sandman
Venom
Volture
Kraven
the guy who becomes the REAL VENOM...forgot...the football player guy:confused:
Shocker......

I really think that this was a bad idea. 4 villains is too much in one movie. Unless the film is about 3 hours long. Who knows, it is all in the hands of Sam Raimi :D

[SolidLiquidFox]

Venom, Sandman, Green Goblin II...Lizard set up for part 4.

[hairlesswookiee]

Sandman, Hobgoblin, Venom, ?? Lizard

[theverse]

The Chameleon..........Topher Grace will play him. Supposedly, he gets younger and younger in the movie so as to get Mary Jane............I guess well find out soon!
theverse

[occulum]

Im still hopin Electro.
I'd love to see that pimped out disco outfit on the big screen. :D

... or Rhino (my old school fav)

[Agent0028]

I thought Topher Grace was playing Venom.

My cousin is a big Topher Grace fan, apparently during an interview someone asked him how it felt to be in Superman...

[SolidLiquidFox]

As I think about it, I really wish they concentrated more in only 1 bad guy at a time. I think you take away from each bad guy anf the movie by splitting the attention on so many characters.

The main reason the first two movies work well is because you have your good guy, your bad guy and your character development with the supporting cast. The personal problems in Peter's life are a whole other thing that has to be in there with plenty of screen time. I see the movie suffering if they just try to do the super blockbuster thing with 4 bad guys.

[theverse]

Could be, I've heard both............though, Topher looks more like The Chameleon than he does Eddie Brock(body type)..............Remember, Eddie Brock was a big muscular guy.........Topher isn't.........

I'm not sure if it will suffer or not............if they make the movie 2 1/2 hours long, then 4 villians won't be a problem..............I'm sure it will be a hit.........it's not like it's a differant director in the mix, all the same folks from all the movies makes for a great film, it's when you start getting new directing etc. is when(my opinion of course) that the film starts to fall short. Just some thoughts..........

[occulum]

Could be, I've heard both............though, Topher looks more like The Chameleon than he does Eddie Brock(body type)..............Remember, Eddie Brock was a big muscular guy.........Topher isn't.........
thats whats always seemed odd to me too.
Topher Grace as Venom? Why dont they go ahead and get Arnold to play the Vulture while theyre at it.

[Azog]

John Jameson - the Man-Wolf....... :p

[Agent0028]

I always thought he was an odd pick for Venom, but I've been hearing its him for so long I just accepted it must be. All in all I'm very excited to see the movie.

[Hightreker]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...dID=649 31540

I posted this in another thread but here it is again. Looks to be the first teasers from Spider-Man 3. Some of it looks kinda fake, and it seems wierd to have something this big leaked early.

[TOE]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...dID=649 31540

I posted this in another thread but here it is again. Looks to be the first teasers from Spider-Man 3. Some of it looks kinda fake, and it seems wierd to have something this big leaked early.

the link doesn't work. :confused:

I agree with the ridiculous pick of Topher to play as venom. He would be great as Carnage but not Venom. :monkey4

[Fritz]

All right occulum, at least someone else is showing Electro some love. :rock

[Hightreker]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=64931540
Ok, that one should work, although in the other thread it's been proved as a fake, but still a pretty good one, you might wanna check it out.

[TOE]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=64931540
Ok, that one should work, although in the other thread it's been proved as a fake, but still a pretty good one, you might wanna check it out.

well done :chew It looks awesome. thanks.

[melvinpelayo]

IS SAURON OR PALPATINE ONE OF THEM!?

[Unique Soul]

IMDB has:

Thomas Haden Church .... Flint Marko/Sandman
Dylan Baker .... Curt Connors Ph.D./The Lizard
Topher Grace .... Eddie Brock (attached)
James Franco .... Harry Osborn

I'm assuming those are the 4 villians even though imdb is far from official.

[Agent0028]

Dylan Baker .... Curt Connors Ph.D./The Lizard.
Is that the same guy from the previous one? I was thinking his name was something else. Although...I hardly ever know people's names so that doesn't mean much.

[pordey2]

Is that the same guy from the previous one? I was thinking his name was something else. Although...I hardly ever know people's names so that doesn't mean much.
yup, same actor as the last SM...

[Agent0028]

Wonder who I'm getting him confused with, he must look like someone from another movie I've seen. I'm horrible with actors names and faces. I always identify people like this, "He's the guy that was in that movie where they had to blow up the death star."

[carbo-fation]

The villain line-up so far seems to be great, although having one or two less enemies wouldn't be such a bad idea. I think the Venom and the lizard will have a very small part just because both of them have a lot of potential story behind them. As for the Green Goblin, he will be the main enemy because his character has been building up for the last two movies. The Sandman will be just another villain gone beserk like Octopus.

[Protozaius]

Please excuse me for sounding uninformed, but what villian does Harry Osbourne turn into... Green Goblin or Hobgoblin? I see that a few of the posts in tis thread mix them up. Which one is it. Are there conflicting origins for these villiians? :o

[Darklord Dave]

In the comics Harry becomes Hobgoblin - but I could see them going either way. He did pick up the original Goblin mask at the end of 2.

[Sachiel]

In the comics Harry becomes Hobgoblin - but I could see them going either way. He did pick up the original Goblin mask at the end of 2.

Harry was never Hobgoblin. He was the second Green Goblin.

[King Darkness]

True...Harry took after his father and became the 2nd Greengoblin...Jason MaCendale became Hobgoblin.He was actualli Jack-O lantern first, I think he was like the 3rd or 4th Hobgoblin...


Edit....Roderick Kingsley was the first Hobgoblin...

[screamingmetal]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Black Cat yet. :p
I don't have a clue who the fourth Villain is. Who it is doesn't matter much to me since it all depends on how they use the character. I have faith that Sam Raimi will deliver, but I personally think the main villain is more important for a movie sequel then the main character's development, and splitting that position into four I think will impair it's crucial influence.
I'm thinking this might be in preparation for the Sinister Six in Spider-Man 4.

[Agent0028]

I'm surprised no one mentioned Black Cat yet. :p
Yummy.....

[NSFolsom]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=64931540
Ok, that one should work, although in the other thread it's been proved as a fake, but still a pretty good one, you might wanna check it out.

Yep that's a fakey fake, fake-fake.

[Darklord Dave]

So Harry was never Hobgoblin? I guess that makes sense that he'd wear the same costume as his dad then.

[LordAzrael]

In the comics Harry becomes Hobgoblin - but I could see them going either way. He did pick up the original Goblin mask at the end of 2.

Harry became Green Goblin - Macendale killed the original hobgoblin and took his costumed identity.

Green Goblin(Harry Osbourne)

Background
Harry Osborn was the college roommate of Peter Parker. He worshipped his domineering father, and tried to live up to what he thought his father's exceptions were. The pressure got to him, however, and he began taking drugs. It was a long, slow road to recovery, replete with backslides. It was during such a period that Harry witnessed the battle between his father, the original Green Goblin, and Spider-Man, that resulted in his father's death. The shock started to drive Harry towards insanity.
After discovering Spider-Man's costume in Peter Parker's room, Harry assumed the identity of the Green Goblin and tried to do in his roommate. Peter defeated Harry. The arriving authorities refused to believe either that Peter was Spider- Man, or that Harry himself was the Green Goblin. They handed Harry over to a psychiatrist, Dr. Barton Hamilton, who successfully treated Harry's insanity but who also learned everything Harry knew about the Green Goblin. Dr. Hamilton eventually went on to become the third Green Goblin -- but that's another story.

Just like his father, Harry suffered from a sort of selective amnesia and often didn't remember either his father's other life or Spider-Man's secret identity. This amnesia began to erode when the original Hobgoblin offered him proof that Norman Osborn was his father. Harry tried to use some of his father's weapons on the original Hobgoblin, with dismal results.

Harry stayed away from super-powered types for a while. During the Inferno crisis, he became the Green Goblin again and battled the second Hobgoblin. He thought about becoming a super-hero, but was forcefully dissuaded by Spider-Man.

Harry began to imagine his father's spirit, goading him to revenge. He obtained and used a modified version of the original Green Goblin's strength formula . He taunted Peter and Peter's wife, Mary Jane, with his knowledge of Peter's secret identity. He openly jetted about in his Goblin attire, even publicly confronting J. Jonah Jameson. His determination to extract vengeance caused him to try and blow up the Osborn Foundation with himself and Spider-Man inside. However, the presence of Mary Jane and his son, Norman, shocked him into a semblance of sanity. He got everyone out safely before collapsing. He died shortly thereafter, apparently from an unexpected side-effect of the Green Goblin formula.



Jason Macendale (Hobgoblin II)

When his methods became too extreme for the C.I.A., Macendale set himself up as a criminal-for-hire. As Jack O'Lantern, he tangled with Machine Man, Spider-Man and Silver Sable. Hired to be an enforcer for the Kingpin, Macendale joined the Rose and the original Hobgoblin. He and the Hobgoblin had a major falling out, however, when he refused to help the Hobgoblin chase down Spider-Man. This eventually led to Macendale's hiring the Foreigner to assassinate the Hobgoblin, at which point he took the Hobgoblin's equipment and criminal identity. He soon found he also inherited the Hobgoblin's enemies, Spider-Man and the second Green Goblin, Harry Osborn.
Macendale's obsessive need for power led him to try and make a deal with the demon N'astirh, who had him possessed. He remained in this form for some time before achieving separation from the demonic entity in Web of Spiderman #85. The demonic entity, known as Demogoblin, was killed by Macendale when he got Kraven's formula powers. Having apparently learned nothing from the demon-blending experience, he underwent physical alteration during his tenure with Gaunt, allowing himself to be implanted with cybernetic devices.

[Agent0028]

That's impressive, did you look that up or know it? I've always loved spider-man but could never really get into comics. The movies are great, but obviously they can never go that in depth. Most of my Spidey knowledge comes from the cartoon series that was on in the earl or mid 90's. I really loved that and I was so upset when it ended.

[Darth Kustomizer]

To many villians is going to crap up this movie.

[Protozaius]

Someone told me that in the recent animated series (not the MTV one), had Harry Osbourne as Hobgoblin (voiced by Mark Hamill). This is the same series that had the multi-part Venom story arc with the black suit coming from space.

I would explain why so many people get confused about the origins.

Thanks LordAzrael for such an in depth reply to my queries. :D

[TheObsoleteMan]

Someone told me that in the recent animated series (not the MTV one), had Harry Osbourne as Hobgoblin (voiced by Mark Hamill). This is the same series that had the multi-part Venom story arc with the black suit coming from space.

I would explain why so many people get confused about the origins.

Thanks LordAzrael for such an in depth reply to my queries. :DIt was Jason Macendale as Hobgoblin voiced by Mark Hamill. Harry became the Green Goblin in the cartoon and attacked Peter and Mary Jane's wedding. At least, that's how I remember it.

[Agent0028]

That's my memory of it too, Harry became Green Goblin and attacked Peter and MJ's wedding. Of course it wasn't actually MJ which was revealed in like the last episode. :lol

Where did the symbiote come from? I think I said it before but I can't remember, most of what I know about Spiderman comes from this. Never could get in to comics for some reason.

[carbo-fation]

I'm thinking this might be in preparation for the Sinister Six in Spider-Man 4.

That would be a great idea but I don't think they'd be able to do it in one movie. More like a two-part movie or even a trilogy.

[Darth Caedus]

The sinister 6 in spider-man 4 would SO beyond rule all others. I would wait in line for that movie for like a year.

[Hightreker]

Where did the symbiote come from? I think I said it before but I can't remember, most of what I know about Spiderman comes from this. Never could get in to comics for some reason.

Sorry if this has been said before, but as I recall the original symbiote came from the Secret Wars saga. Spider-Man found it on the battle planet. In other versions it came from space, and in Ultimate Spidey it was a cure for cancer that Peter and Eddie Brock's (Venom) fathers had been working on before their deaths.

[Agent0028]

If it's been said before I missed it, thanks for the info. I wonder what version they'll go with for the movie. I would bet on the sapce one since they made a point of showing JJ's son as an astronaught in the last one. Although I guess that could have just been to keep it more like the comics for the comic fans...assuming that was in keeping with the comics.

Also, regarding the insidious six, wasn't Doc Ock one of them? He was in the cartoon. So if he was and he's dead would they replace him with someone else?

[Protozaius]

I didn't see much of the animated series, so I have NO memory of it either way.

It's funny... why do you think that some people thinkthat Harry becomes Hobgoblin? Where are they getting that impression, I wonder? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Agent0028]

Maybe people just figure that if there are two villains as similar as Green Goblin and Hobgoblin there must be a connection and father and son makes more sense. Otherwise, I dunno.

[Darth Caedus]

I doubt they will have symboite come from space. That would make issues very complicated for the movie. Either it will be like an industrial accident, or spidey will be fighting a villan and come across the black suit.

[TOE]

I doubt they will have symboite come from space. That would make issues very complicated for the movie. Either it will be like an industrial accident, or spidey will be fighting a villan and come across the black suit.

well, as I recall from the second part ...Jameson's son was on his way to the space and IMO that is where the symbiote rock will be found and brought back to earth.

[TOE]

That would be a great idea but I don't think they'd be able to do it in one movie. More like a two-part movie or even a trilogy.

yup. let's not forget about the time spidey started turning into a real spider. I hope they keep up with this and not just end it just like that.

[Agent0028]

I doubt they will have symboite come from space. That would make issues very complicated for the movie. Either it will be like an industrial accident, or spidey will be fighting a villan and come across the black suit.
Why would it be complicated for the movie? Not trying to be confrontational or anything, I'm just missing your line of thought.

To me space would make sense because JJ's son goes to space, comes back with the symbiote attached to the shuttle (I'm pretty sure this is what happened in the cartoon) meanwhile spidey is fighting one of the four bad guys in the movie, a very minor one, who doesn't need a backstory or explanation, just someone who is there. Said bad guy is trying to do something, er, bad where the shuttle is landing which is when spidey picks up the new threads. Enter the second bad guy and spidey realizes t he suit is messing with his mind so he ditches it where it is picked up by Brock and becomes Venom. As I recall that's how it happened in the toon so I don't expect the movie to follow that exactly, but it seems a plausible plot line...to me anyways.

[Darklord Dave]

Any time they make it an "alien intelligence" it sort of undermines the "reality" of a comicbook movie. I know that sounds stupid, but I'm really nervous about Galactus being the villain in FF2 and I'm so glad they didn't try the cosmic thing with Dark Phoenix.

I think it's much more story-oriented for Venom to come from genetic experiments ala the Ultimate Spider-man. I think they cast Topher Grace because he could BE Peter Parker and Venom will end up being a "path not taken" for Peter.

However they do it, I just hope it lives up to the previous 2 films.

And they could do the Sinister 6 - Harry as the Goblin, Sandman, Venom, Man-Wolf, Lizard, Doc Ock comes back - that's 6!

[Agent0028]

Isn't Superman an "alien intelligence"?

[TOE]

And they could do the Sinister 6 - Harry as the Goblin, Sandman, Venom, Man-Wolf, Lizard, Doc Ock comes back - that's 6!

I really don't think this would be a fair fight. I mean, Spiderman got his a$$ beat by Green Goblin in part 1 and Doc Ock in part 2. Now imagine 6 villains!!! Now i'm thinking Spiderman will have allies of his own, like Hunter or Morbius. :cool:

[carbo-fation]

I really don't think this would be a fair fight. I mean, Spiderman got his a$$ beat by Green Goblin in part 1 and Doc Ock in part 2. Now imagine 6 villains!!! Now i'm thinking Spiderman will have allies of his own, like Hunter or Morbius. :cool:

How about Iceman or Firestar like in the good old day??:rotfl

[TOE]

How about Iceman or Firestar like in the good old day??:rotfl

:rotfl :lol I still remember the voice intro by the narrator.

[TOE]

4 Villains:

Sandman
Venom
Hobgoblin
and The Lizard :chew

[DannieDarKo]

I was at Azogs and it mentioned it may be Mysterio.

http://filmick.blogspot.com/2006/10/deeper-details-of-that-spider-man-3.html

[TOE]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/spider-man-3.asp

The Lizard will be played by Dylan Baker. :confused:

Who knows....probably we'll see 5 villains. Or will the Lizard even be considered as a villain in this film? :confused:

[hairlesswookiee]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/spider-man-3.asp

The Lizard will be played by Dylan Baker. :confused:

Who knows....probably we'll see 5 villains. Or will the Lizard even be considered as a villain in this film? :confused:

cool!! i like dylan baker as dr. connor. he seems like a cool professor that would lose his mind after a while.

[Mithrandier]

:rotfl :lol I still remember the voice intro by the narrator.


That narrator was none other than Stan "The Man" Lee.................

[Mithrandier]

cool!! i like dylan baker as dr. connor. he seems like a cool professor that would lose his mind after a while.

He was set up as Dr. Connors in part 2.

The means we have the following:

Harry Osborn's Green Goblin or Hobgoblin
Venom
Sandman

Lizard, Mysterio????............

I read wher they said that Raimi just laid out Mysterio as a red herring.........

Hopefully, unless this movie is over 3 or 4 hours long, we do not have a valid 4th villain.............

[TOE]

Morlun will be the 4th villain .

[Agent0028]

Morlun? Isn't he the one with the totemic whatever? If so, with him being the 4th villain it really does seem like this movie is going to be a little crowded villain wise. Unless it takes place over a pretty good period of time this is going to be like the worst week of Spidey's life.

[ZombieReign]

maybe the movie will open with Spidey fighting some obscure villian. Since Venom appears late, there really are 2 main villians in the majority of the film. Hopefully the baddies don't detract from the movie, a la the Shumacher Batman movies.

[Agent0028]

Morlun would be an obscure villain to me, I only know him because I read a Spider-Man novel that was something of a spin off from that story arc. Assuming I'm not confused on who he is. But even though he is obscure it seems like he wouldn't fit for a small time opening villain. Which leaves the new Green Goblin and Sandman. I think the green goblin would be too big to be done with quickly in the movie, so maybe Sandman would fit for that.

[Bonehead15]

The 4th villain has to be Man-Wolf!!!!!:D

Jameson was in SM2 so this makes perfect sense. :monkey5

[Darth_Pain]

It's going to be Harry as a REAL Goblin!

At the end of the movie you'll see Harry go under the gass one more time and he gets all deformed to look like how he should have in the begining of the movie.:chew

Or, Black cat:monkey1

[NightCreeper]

If anything, maybe lizard, since Dr. Conners he was in SM1,2 and now 3. So maybe we see him change in it, or something.....I don't know.....this movie has to be like 6 hours long to cover 4 villains.

[tomandshell]

I agree with Zombie's idea of the movie kicking off with Spider-Man doing his thing and fighting a throwaway villain. In that case it just needs to be someone visually interesting and worth five minutes of screen time. Then the rest of the movie can focus on Sandman and Harry, with Venom making a cameo appearance in the final battle.