X3 discussion *SPOLIERS ABOUND*

[korelius]

What did you see? Did it really move, or do I want to believe he moved it?

[hairlesswookiee]

i saw him movie it... at least thats what i thought i saw.

[Fubeca]

mine moves on its own :monkey5

[DannieDarKo]

I think what Fubeca means is that he uses the force to move his. The chicks dig that.

[hairlesswookiee]

i like the ending... very promising that there will be a return of the major players.

[TheObsoleteMan]

Well, I thought the cure storyline was serviceable at best, but Dark Phoenix stole the show. The scene with her tearing Prof. X apart was just brutal. They managed to portray her far more successfully than I had expected them to. Without Dark Phoenix, the movie is mediocre.

The Danger Room scene was fun, had a DOFP vibe.

Juggernaut was sufficiently cocky, and watching him tear Wolvie a new cornhole was fun, but I really wish they had left out that goofy "I'm the Juggernaut..." line. :monkey4

I was surprised to see Rogue reduced to little more than a cameo. Colossus and Angel had far too little screentime as well.

Beast was played to perfection by Kelsey Grammer, and I had a huge geeky smile on my face when he uttered, "Oh my stars and garters!" :D

Overall, Dark Phoenix saves the movie. Watching her go postal at the end gave me chills.

Was anyone kinda creeped out by the young Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan at the beginning of the movie? I don't think I've been that shocked by a special effect since T2. Spooky, but cool.

[korelius]

yes...yes...yes, but did he move it? I asked several others and they were split...

[TOE]

:google did he moved what?!!! who's "he"?!! man. what are you guys on?!!! :D

[Batty]

No way he moved it!

[TheObsoleteMan]

I thought it moved.

Oh, and so did the kids who sat behind me doing a running commentary for the entire film.

[Darth Loki]

yes...yes...yes, but did he move it? I asked several others and they were split...

Me and my girlfriend both saw it move! We just turned our heads and smiled at each other in hope. And the VERY, VERY end was even better.

[wyrmn3500]

he moved it -- claremont's novelization confirms it

[mlarsen]

Yes, it moved.
The scene after the credits was interesting to.

[Migwit]

You've already got "Huge Honkin' Spoilers" in the thread title, so for those of us who probably won't ever get to see this movie, WHO moved WHAT? :confused: :lol

[tomandshell]

I just got home from seeing the film, and he definitely moved it. No question.

[dunedain]

He moved it man. He moved it:emperor

[carbo-fation]

He moved it all right!! The movie still sucked though IMO. :monkey2

[carbo-fation]

Dark Phoenix part was okay except their explanation of her power. There was no mentioning of the Emron Crystal. Also killing off Cyclops and Prof. X.....WTF!!
Juggernaut was well played and I agree with the "I am the Jugernaut....." line. Really out of place. Plus, there was no mentioning of him being Prof. X brother either. THe ending was that of a romance novel. Wolv. and Jean on the steps, with his shirt torn apart saying " I love you..," how corny.

[outlikealight]

I cannot even discuss how let down by this movie I was. I don't think I'll even buy the DVD unless there is an hour of material they left out. I never thought I would say that.

[BDboystoys]

Dark Phoenix part was okay except their explanation of her power. There was no mentioning of the Emron Crystal. Also killing off Cyclops and Prof. X.....WTF!!
Juggernaut was well played and I agree with the "I am the Jugernaut....." line. Really out of place. Plus, there was no mentioning of him being Prof. X brother either. THe ending was that of a romance novel. Wolv. and Jean on the steps, with his shirt torn apart saying " I love you..," how corny.


Xavier dead...or was he?:confused:

[BDboystoys]

its not a case of whever he moved it, that is PLAIN obvious. the question is WHY!!!!!!
After getting a x4 dosage of the cure hes still able to move the chess piece? This just left me thinking WTF over and over. I though it was a good flick, but why end it in this way! It just doesnt make sense? Is he somehow some amazing special immune mutant?

clip at the very end, I know it links to the part at the beggining when Proffessor is talking to the class. But is he somehow transformed into this person? Using his body? His was completely incinerated. It just went by too quickly. I wish I could read somewhere the answers. Its all very hush hush tho!

[Darth Loki]

Xavier's consceincess(SP-?) self went to the functioning body. It's just a way to keep the series alive incase they decide to revisit it again later.

Same thing with Magneto. Just leaving it open. It didn't move that much so he's not that strong but he was one of the strongest mutents ever.

[Darth Loki]

They had to kill Cyclops early in the movie. It took a lot just to get him to come back for that little part.

And I don't think Xavier's dead, did you stay til all the credits were over?

It would've taken another 15-20 minutes to add back story for Jugg's and Xavier's relationship that honestly didn't need to be in there. Same thing with the Emron Cyrstal.

A lot of comic book fans seem to think that these movies are made only for them. News flash, they're made for the general public. And studios have to be under the assumption that most people going to the movie have no back story for the characters. Thus certain things need to be left out or altered for the sake of the current story or flow of the movie. I can fully understand why some die hard fans would be upset but this was a great flick and hopefully we haven't seen the last of the X-Men.

[hairlesswookiee]

They had to kill Cyclops early in the movie. It took a lot just to get him to come back for that little part.

And I don't think Xavier's dead, did you stay til all the credits were over?

It would've taken another 15-20 minutes to add back story for Jugg's and Xavier's relationship that honestly didn't need to be in there. Same thing with the Emron Cyrstal.

A lot of comic book fans seem to think that these movies are made only for them. News flash, they're made for the general public. And studios have to be under the assumption that most people going to the movie have no back story for the characters. Thus certain things need to be left out or altered for the sake of the current story or flow of the movie. I can fully understand why some die hard fans would be upset but this was a great flick and hopefully we haven't seen the last of the X-Men.

awesome!!!! i know someone has the same thoughts as i do. as someone that has read the comics i understand the fan boys reactions, but NONE of comic book movies have been 100% faithful to their origins. i enjoyed the movie and thought it was great. ok, some of the scenes were cheesy-- but you cant tell that the comics aren't?? they didnt explain Xavier and Juggernaut's relationship because it would've taken too long and they would've lost too many people in the explanation. and the pheonix storyline-- again, the backstory for that alone could make its own movie so relax they did pretty decent with what they did. Beast was awesome and Kelsey Grammer was the perfect pick for him. Angel and Juggernaut didnt have enough screentime, but again they will be back in the next film. I also liked the CGI technique they used to make Charles and Eric look young in the beginning and hope they use this in some other movies. It might sound creepy because she looks like she's 12, but did anyone else think the girl who played Kitty was cute??

Ok, so now that i got that off my chest here are some of the problems i had with the movie. 1. what happened to Nightcrawler?? I get it if Alan Cummings didnt want to do the part again... but they could've at least mentioned him in some sort of way. 2. What was up with the 7th Heaven teeny bopper love stories??? could've done with a little less of that. 3. Rogue goes and gets the cure so she could be with her boyfriend?? why? 4.they kill off Xavier!!! what braniac came up with that idea?? that was retarded!!!! (yes i did sit through the credits, but its the thought that counts) 5. I dont have a gripe with this I'm just a little confused-- why did Magneto let Wolverine go?? he could've easily killed him off.

[hairlesswookiee]

and it shows that some of the other mutants might eventually get their powers back.

[Calle_Sandell]

I think it was great and he did move it!!!

But what was the very very end? I missed it! is Xavier alive?!

[hairlesswookiee]

I think it was great and he did move it!!!

But what was the very very end? I missed it! is Xavier alive?!

yes it appears he made it out alive. he transferred his consciousness to the body of the man in the coma that was mentioned in the beginning.

[DarkArtist81]

yes it appears he made it out alive. he transferred his consciousness to the body of the man in the coma that was mentioned in the beginning.

Yep...that is exactly what I was thinking... And in the comics, Prof X died and came back several times... as did many people.

As for Magneto... I think it is hinting that the "cure" is not truly permanent and that the powers of mutants hit with this may return.

I remember the scientists in the film saying that it was not 100% tested and ready. :monkey1

And as for the movie the most shocking scene to me... insane that they even included it was this one....

"Do you know who I am?"

"I"M THE JUGGERNAUT, ^^^^^!!"

:rotfl :rotfl I about peed my pants!!

[DarkArtist81]

awesome!!!! i know someone has the same thoughts as i do. as someone that has read the comics i understand the fan boys reactions, but NONE of comic book movies have been 100% faithful to their origins. i enjoyed the movie and thought it was great. ok, some of the scenes were cheesy-- but you cant tell that the comics aren't?? they didnt explain Xavier and Juggernaut's relationship because it would've taken too long and they would've lost too many people in the explanation. and the pheonix storyline-- again, the backstory for that alone could make its own movie so relax they did pretty decent with what they did. Beast was awesome and Kelsey Grammer was the perfect pick for him. Angel and Juggernaut didnt have enough screentime, but again they will be back in the next film. I also liked the CGI technique they used to make Charles and Eric look young in the beginning and hope they use this in some other movies. It might sound creepy because she looks like she's 12, but did anyone else think the girl who played Kitty was cute??



Ok, so now that i got that off my chest here are some of the problems i had with the movie. 1. what happened to Nightcrawler?? I get it if Alan Cummings didnt want to do the part again... but they could've at least mentioned him in some sort of way. 2. What was up with the 7th Heaven teeny bopper love stories??? could've done with a little less of that. 3. Rogue goes and gets the cure so she could be with her boyfriend?? why? 4.they kill off Xavier!!! what braniac came up with that idea?? that was retarded!!!! (yes i did sit through the credits, but its the thought that counts) 5. I dont have a gripe with this I'm just a little confused-- why did Magneto let Wolverine go?? he could've easily killed him off.

I have to agree as well, I feel the same way. I loved the movie and think that it went beyond my expectations actually. I thought Brett would ruin it.

As for Magneto letting Wolvie go.. he's a softie sometimes and doesn't do some of the things he could. He's let Wolverine off in many instances, when he could have easily killed him. Besides the time he ripped out his adamantium. :google

[Darth Loki]

awesome!!!! i know someone has the same thoughts as i do. as someone that has read the comics i understand the fan boys reactions, but NONE of comic book movies have been 100% faithful to their origins. i enjoyed the movie and thought it was great. ok, some of the scenes were cheesy-- but you cant tell that the comics aren't?? they didnt explain Xavier and Juggernaut's relationship because it would've taken too long and they would've lost too many people in the explanation. and the pheonix storyline-- again, the backstory for that alone could make its own movie so relax they did pretty decent with what they did. Beast was awesome and Kelsey Grammer was the perfect pick for him. Angel and Juggernaut didnt have enough screentime, but again they will be back in the next film. I also liked the CGI technique they used to make Charles and Eric look young in the beginning and hope they use this in some other movies. It might sound creepy because she looks like she's 12, but did anyone else think the girl who played Kitty was cute??

Ok, so now that i got that off my chest here are some of the problems i had with the movie. 1. what happened to Nightcrawler?? I get it if Alan Cummings didnt want to do the part again... but they could've at least mentioned him in some sort of way. 2. What was up with the 7th Heaven teeny bopper love stories??? could've done with a little less of that. 3. Rogue goes and gets the cure so she could be with her boyfriend?? why? 4.they kill off Xavier!!! what braniac came up with that idea?? that was retarded!!!! (yes i did sit through the credits, but its the thought that counts) 5. I dont have a gripe with this I'm just a little confused-- why did Magneto let Wolverine go?? he could've easily killed him off.


I too thought Kitty was incredibly cute. I'd be amazed if she were over 16 though. I can't really remember why Nightcrawler wasn't in this but it's supposed to be explained in the video game that just came out (it's supposed to be a bridge between the two movies).

I think Magneto was always hoping Wolverine would come to his side. Not to mention Wolverine could never get close to Magneto so why should he worry about him?

This is supposed to be the last movie in this series (hence Last Stand), that's why they killed so many off....... kind of.

[Darth Loki]

[QUOTE=DarkArtist81]Yep...that is exactly what I was thinking... And in the comics, Prof X died and came back several times... as did many people.

As for Magneto... I think it is hinting that the "cure" is not truly permanent and that the powers of mutants hit with this may return.

I remember the scientists in the film saying that it was not 100% tested and ready. :monkey1

And as for the movie the most shocking scene to me... insane that they even included it was this one....

"Do you know who I am?"

"I"M THE JUGGERNAUT, ^^^^^!!"

I almost died at that part. I was one of only a few who laughed at loud at that part. I guess a lot of people didn't get it. Too bad for them.

[The Josh]

Doesn't Wolverine get the adamantium put back on after that though?

[LOTRSWfan]

Doesn't Wolverine get the adamantium put back on after that though?

Yes, Apocalypse needed a new horseman, so he decided it would be either Wolverine or Sabertooth (who had adimantium still). He had them fight and who ever won the fight would be the new horseman and get the adamantium. Wolverine won and now has had the adamantium for over 4 years.


Here is a current update on some of the movie characters and what they are doing in the comics currently (typed out by me :) ):

Xavier is still alive...but can walk and not a mutant anymore.

Scott is alive and well, having sex every night with Emma Frost.

Jean is dead...thank god.

Kitty and Peter FINALLY hooked up.

Magneto is no longer a mutant, but looks like he will get his powers back this coming Wednesday.

Rouge is still a mutant.

Gambit became one of Apocalypse's horsemen, Death.

Mystique and Sabertooth are going to be part of the X-Men starting in July (both are still mutants).

Angel is in limbo and not appearing anywhere.

Pyro has been dead for about as long as Moria (he died from the Legacy virus).

Wolverine is no longer part of either X-Men team, but is now an Avenger (along with Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Spider Woman, The Sentry, Iron Man and Captain America)

Storm is getting married to Black Panther and is thankfully is no where to be found in any X-Men comic at this time.

Beast is still Beast, but has looked like a big cat for about 4 years.

Juggernaut is a good guy now. He actually works very well as a good guy too.

Multiple Man is the leader of X-Factor.

Dr. Kavita Rao (Indian lady in the movie) actually did find a cure in the comics. Joss Whedon wrote this story line and they used it for the film.

[hairlesswookiee]

I too thought Kitty was incredibly cute. I'd be amazed if she were over 16 though. I can't really remember why Nightcrawler wasn't in this but it's supposed to be explained in the video game that just came out (it's supposed to be a bridge between the two movies).


i looked her up on IMDB and she is 19. i rented the Xmen game last weekend but didnt finish it, might have to rent it again and beat to see what happens.

[The Josh]

Thanks. That's what I thought but wasn't sure. I don't follow the comics anymore but Wolverine is still my fave from when I did.

[pjam]

X3 44 million Friday take is the Second largest single day Opening Day in History.

[Darklord Dave]

So Kitty can phase through stuff, but how does she rise up out of the ground? Shouldn't she just either keep going or stop phasing and be stuck there?

[Gruson]

GREAT movie!!!!

Oh, Phoenix can always come back and bring back Prof X and Cyclops.

:)

I don't think they will stay dead if a sequel is made.

About Magneto at the end, who even knows if the "cure" is permanent. I loved that scene.

[DarkArtist81]

X3 44 million Friday take is the Second largest single day Opening Day in History.

Wow.... Thank God though... This Summer needed a hit BAD. I was actually starting to get worried. If there is anything that I love and never ever want to change is the summer movie season and the joy I get every year when it comes time to see some kick ass films...and some crappy ones..:monkey1

But this movie rocked... and Phoenix was actually a lot more evil and worse than I ever thought possible in a film. When Prof X was obliterated, I was seriously shocked. It was for sure one of those "Oh Crap" moments.

And Loki.... I feel your pain.. when that scene happened... I laughed so hard.. and only like 3 or 4 other people got the joke.. I had to explain it later to my Fiance, she had no idea. :monkey2

[The Josh]

About Magneto at the end, who even knows if the "cure" is permanent. I loved that scene.

Yeah, I liked that as well. The movie was really enjoyable. It did have some editing issues I thought with flipping to certain scenes to quickly but overall I liked it and will buy it on DVD.

[carbo-fation]

I hope they make a sequal and make everything right!!!

[Viking28]

I thought it was a pretty good movie, like a few have said the editing was off and I didn't much care for the "Brotherhood". Vinnie as Juggs was pretty cool, I wish they would of had more him and I wish Angel would of wore a X-men outfit also.

[SolidLiquidFox]

It was an entertaining ride but it came up short in my opinion.

Multiple Man and Colossus were not used as I would have liked. The X-Men team seemed weaked partially because of Colossus not coming off as the powerhouse he is and Nightcrawler's noticeable absence. The spotlight they gave Beast during the final battle should have been more split with Colossus. The addition of Gambit would have been great but I guess they could not work it into the story.

I liked the they featured more of Kitty Pride as she does have one of the more interesting powers. Especially when it's used offensively. I enjoyed the scene at the Grey's house the most probably because I did not expect for them to kill off the professor. Surprisingly I liked the whole Juggernaut thing. I though it would come off as cheesy but it was funny. Iceman is a very powerful mutant and at least his powers were featured a bit more.

Overall it was worth seeing but as a comics fan there was so much more I would have liked to see. Not in terms of what they left out but in terms of execution of the movie itself.

[SideshowDusty]

Just got back from seeing it - loved it! Except for a few cheesy one-liners and a couple of pretty corny "NoooooOOOoooooOO!" moments, I thought it was great. Man, the guy who plays Cyclops is a horrible actor... I was glad he died, is that mean?

LOVED the "Don't you know who I am?" Juggernaut bit. Those guys who made that video must have been in shock to see it realized in the film! I wish Juggernaut could have had a bigger part. And Angel too.

But all in all I loved it. Better than the first, not quite as good as the second, but almost. I'm not familiar with the comics at all, so all the 'problems' that bother the fans of the comics don't bother me at all! I may see it again in the theaters, which is the official SideshowDusty 'stamp of approval' :)

(Oh, and did anyone else think 'My Super Ex-Girlfriend' looks hilarious? The trailer made me LOL, especially the part where she throws the shark at him!)

[nash]

Sorry if this is Off Topic, but does anyone here know where i can get an accurate pair of "side-blinder" attachments for my Cyclops Oakley Juliets?

[noelleon69]

You've already got "Huge Honkin' Spoilers" in the thread title, so for those of us who probably won't ever get to see this movie, WHO moved WHAT? :confused: :lol

yeh what's this he moved or didn't move it thing???

the only part i laughed at during the juggernaut and kitty scene was when she called him a ^^^^^^^^.

[Scar]

Now X3 TLS has officially had the largest Memorial Day Weekend opening to date, as well as the fourth highest all time opening.

Just a few things to point out. The "M'Kraan Crystal" (pronounced "emcron") storyline would have taken a staggering amount of effort to work into the plot. The easier path for the writers to take was simply to present it as the next evolutionary stage of Jean Grey's powers. As far as being "cheesy" goes with Wolverine and Jean at the end, it was far from my interpretation of it as rather touching. With Jean as the last of the three major heroes aced in this movie, the fact that she fell to the claws of Wolverine was moving. Jean was essentially Wolverine's impetus to stay with the X-Men initially, having awoken to see a beautiful redhead instead of the Canadian wilderness he last saw. Jean was the object of Wolverine's affection from Day 1 with his association with the X-Men. To see Wolverine gradually morph from a loner to a leader came full circle when in order to save everyone he had to cut down the one most beloved to him.

The Juggernaught in this movie is also an alteration from what the fandom is familiar with. Yes, he is Xavier's brother, but why really bother go into the explanation about how this mountain of brawn is actually the sibling of one of the greatest intellects known to the world? It would be a bit much for the audience to come to terms with. That aside, many don't know that Juggernaught isn't even mutant, he's a human who obtained what is known as the Ruby of Cytorak which rendered him practically invulnerable with boundless strength. One scene I was hoping to see was a clash between Colossus and Juggernaught, as they are really more on the same level than Wolverine and Juggernaught. It just seems to be a running trend that in order to test a villain in terms of brute strength in the X-Men films, the character must go up against the Wolverine who we were introduced to as "The King of the Cage" in the first X-Men, conveyed as the toughest of the tough from the instant the character stepped onto the screen. Going back to Juggernaught, though, I think it was a wise decision to conceive of the film version as a mutant with the inherent strength that the Ruby of Cytorak would have granted the human Cain Marko. His character wouldn't have been on the mobile mutant prison facility, and Magneto would not have accepted him into the Brotherhood were he not a mutant; case in point, look at how quick Magnus was to cast aside Mystique like a broken blade when she turned to a ^^^^ Sapiens.

This brings me to Magneto in all his glory in this movie. I'll admit immediately that Magneto is my favorite character in all Marvel, just to get it out of the way that I have a bias. His interaction with Xavier in the movie was quite good, as always. One interesting tool used by the writers was how the movie began with Magneto and Xavier meeting with Jean in her suburban home, and a later scene in the movie paralleled that instance when the good Professor and Magneto confront the Phoenix in the very same setting. What happened to the Greys, one can't say for certain. Perhaps they were out for the day, or perhaps their little daughter rendered them to ash and cast them to a swift wind, as was the fate of Cyclops, Xavier, and so many others in the movie. I loved the dialogue where Xavier was nervous and very apparently afraid before the Phoenix. Capitalizing on the situation, Magneto plays to the Phoenix's insecurity and hatred of Xavier, convincing her that the Professor wants to cage the most powerful being, rather than allow her to spread his wings. Informing Jean that her power is a manifestation of mutant perfection, that there is "absolutely nothing" wrong with her, Magneto shows his cards at last in turning the Phoenix's aggressions fully against Charles. That said, he could only sit in fear and awe, pinned against a cupboard while Xavier was ripped from earthly existence.
For me, Magneto's portrayal in this movie showed his ruthless desire to attain mutant superiority in its entirety. There was subtle inuendo between the characters Magneto and Mystique from the very first movie that got snickers from fans (and even carried on into the Ultimate X-Men comics, I might add). When the two meet in X3, we see the comfortable relationship between the two again, but when Mystique sacrifices her mutant status to save Magneto from such a fate, Magneto is moved but horrified. His only comment when he turns his back on the pitiful, naked, human Mystique is that "she was so beautiful."
We glimpsed it again in X2 when Magneto was prepared to kill Charles in Stryker's Cerebro at Alkali Lake in order to wipe ^^^^ Sapiens off the map. Here, we see Xavier killed and with Magneto actively involved in the provocation of his murder. However, the lingering regret of this action, and inaction, stays with Magneto until the close of the film, as Magneto sits alone at a chess set, recognizing that with the removal of the other player from the board there is little point for him to stay in the game, so to speak. Even though the two were enemies, Xavier and Magneto were first and foremost friends.

Also, I should note here that the "source of the cure" was the mutant known as Leech who, in the comics, had the eventual voluntary ability to suppress the powers of other mutants in his company; I use this wording because in his youth he couldn't control it and deprived all near mutants of their powers. Looking to Beast's wording at the beginning of the film, he says the cure is the ability to "suppress the Mutant X gene, permanently." Suppression on a permanent basis I can understand for the average mutant, but perhaps the boundaries were not to sturdy against Magneto, who in the comics is by and large viewed as arguably the most powerful mutant. People forget that it's not just the manipulation of metals, but the manipulation of natural or artificial magnetic fields in magnetokinesis. This grants him the ability to lift, alter, or move objects, even capable of manipulating bloodflow to an individual's brain to cause aneurysms or unconsciousness. He can absorb and redirect electricity, control ferrous particles in the air, alter the Earth's magnetic field which extends into space as the Magnetosphere, increase his own strength to the extent of being able to exchange blows with Colossus, fly in or beyond the Earth's atmosphere, and achieve an indefinite range of other effects. Ergo, even four doses of the cure couldn't fully suppress the power within the Master of Magnetism. Seeing him at the end of the movie slowly tipping the chess piece with what is now a shadow of his former power leaves one curious as to how well the dam built by the cure can hold back the flood.

I believe I've ranted enough now, but in short I left the movie thoroughly delighted. Though it could have stood to be longer, who knows? Perhaps we will have an extended DVD. Anyone see the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven? There's an additional 50 minutes of film time, and though it's a long shot, one can only imagine all that was left on the cutting room floor with X3 TLS.

[melvinpelayo]

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He moved it! :monkey3

[Darth Loki]

My thoughts exactly Scar. How long did that take to type by the way?

[Darth Loki]

Just got back from seeing it - loved it! Except for a few cheesy one-liners and a couple of pretty corny "NoooooOOOoooooOO!" moments, I thought it was great. Man, the guy who plays Cyclops is a horrible actor... I was glad he died, is that mean?

LOVED the "Don't you know who I am?" Juggernaut bit. Those guys who made that video must have been in shock to see it realized in the film! I wish Juggernaut could have had a bigger part. And Angel too.

But all in all I loved it. Better than the first, not quite as good as the second, but almost. I'm not familiar with the comics at all, so all the 'problems' that bother the fans of the comics don't bother me at all! I may see it again in the theaters, which is the official SideshowDusty 'stamp of approval' :)

(Oh, and did anyone else think 'My Super Ex-Girlfriend' looks hilarious? The trailer made me LOL, especially the part where she throws the shark at him!)


My Super Ex-Girlfriend did look surprisingly good. I passed the poster for it going into the theater and had no idea what it was about. Not sure when it comes out but I'll take you if you like :date

[pordey2]

Throwing sharks, now THAT's have to be a great movie!
:monkey5 :lol

[Scar]

My thoughts exactly Scar. How long did that take to type by the way?

I'm not even really sure. I tend to be rather long-winded when I begin talking about a topic that I'm interested in, and when I was typing I just kept thinking of more things that I thought needed to be said about the movie. My apologies if reading all that resulted in anyone suffering multiple aneurysms :D .

[DannieDarKo]

Pheonix stole the show and my favorite of all in The Last Stand. I loved how Magneto being my favorite was frightened of her.

[DarkArtist81]

Just got back from seeing it - loved it! Except for a few cheesy one-liners and a couple of pretty corny "NoooooOOOoooooOO!" moments, I thought it was great. Man, the guy who plays Cyclops is a horrible actor... I was glad he died, is that mean?

LOVED the "Don't you know who I am?" Juggernaut bit. Those guys who made that video must have been in shock to see it realized in the film! I wish Juggernaut could have had a bigger part. And Angel too.

But all in all I loved it. Better than the first, not quite as good as the second, but almost. I'm not familiar with the comics at all, so all the 'problems' that bother the fans of the comics don't bother me at all! I may see it again in the theaters, which is the official SideshowDusty 'stamp of approval' :)

(Oh, and did anyone else think 'My Super Ex-Girlfriend' looks hilarious? The trailer made me LOL, especially the part where she throws the shark at him!)

You know....Dusty.. I am in total agreement with you on Mr Marsden... I am not a fan of his acting at all. Was kinda happy to see him bite it too.

Would have been cool to see more of the Juggernaut and Angel, but at least Jugs got his "Juggernaut, ^^^^^" moment.....that made me laugh. :lol

And the trailer for My Super Ex-Girlfriend really got me excited about it. Looks hilarious.. And that shark tossing scene about killed me!! I mean... talk about your "woman scorned" moments... Sharks scare me enough in the water.... :google

[hairlesswookiee]

thanks Scar!!! after reading your post i agree with everything you said and have been using almost the exact same argument with all my X-3 haters. many people are going into the movie biased becaue Singer is not the director and i feel thats why there are so many negative comments about it. and again this is the close of the triology so they had to wrap it up-- its no LOTR so they couldnt make it
3 1/2 hours long just to make the comic fanboys happy with the storyline. one of my friends that saw the movie with me was so PO'd with the juggernaut and started complaining as soon as we got outside. he kept ranting about how it was totally dismissed he was charles' brother and he wasnt even a mutant. after a thorough discussion over some beers later he sided with me. :lol i wish more people would understand its a movie and things need to be changed for a reason otherwise there would be no reason to see it they could just read the comics.

[DannieDarKo]

I agree with you two as well. Who cares if it does not follow the comics EXACTLY. Part 3 isn't the first X-men movie to ignore comic book facts. Xmen 2, isn't Nightcrawler really Mystiques son? I dont recall Singer acknowledge that.

[Scar]

I agree. Many of the comic fan base seem to forget that the movies don't cater solely to them, they are for the public in general with powerful themes that everyone can relate to and therein find significance. I've gone with mostly the same people to see all three movies, and some of them are fans of the comics as I am, but others just really enjoyed the first two and knew nothing of the Marvel Universe aside from what they've seen at their local cinemas. All of them found something to love about these movies, and frankly could have cared less about the Juggernaut's mutant role, or Jean's dual personalities. What they did care about was whether or not the characters would be brought to the screen in an entertaining, powerful, and convincing manner so as to keep them engaged and captivated. X3 certainly delivered in that department. It was meant to be action-packed but emotional, and I also believe success was achieved there as well.

Incidentally, every single person in my group burst out in laughter when Vinnie Jones spouted out his now famous (and in some crowds infamous) line, "I'm the Juggernaut, ^^^^^!" :lol Every insidious party needs a brute or blunt instrument with which to achieve their goal, and Juggernaut was just that for the Brotherhood. For fans of the cartoon series with a good sense of humor, you might want to check out this link, though I warn it is lengthy and containts foul language.
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=15862

[DannieDarKo]

Gotta love that skit. Although it was posted here on the boards sometime back and with some photoshop work with Sideshow's Juggy Maquette.

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7755

[DannieDarKo]

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5190/juggbox5cr.jpg

[Scar]

Guess I'm nostalgic. Seeing the Juggernaut of my childhood running around screaming and cursing, it's just... well, fantastic:lol .

[DarkArtist81]

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5190/juggbox5cr.jpg

"DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM??"

Love the pic Dannie!! :rotfl :rotfl

[Buzzie]

great film...

I wonder a bit that you did not mention the SENTINEL
scene in the training room... was great and would have
been hell of a storyline :D

Dark Phoenix was great... also ICEMAN in full ICE.. :rolleyes:

Give us more!!!

[DarkArtist81]

great film...

I wonder a bit that you did not mention the SENTINEL
scene in the training room... was great and would have
been hell of a storyline :D

Dark Phoenix was great... also ICEMAN in full ICE.. :rolleyes:

Give us more!!!

Yeah, I loved seeing Iceman fully iced out at last! It was very cool IMO. Glad to see him doing his thing finally. :monkey5

[hairlesswookiee]

i liked the iceman thing, but why doesnt he do it all the time when fighting???

and the sentinels... i was disappointed because i thought they were gonna have a bigger part in the movie.

[gdb]

Does anyone know what was the order of events was? Did Bryan Singer take the Superman Returns job so Fox fired him and his writers? Or did Bryan Singer quit to take the Superman Returns job and his writers went with him? Or some combination?

And...

I saw it at an Edwards (which I think is a Regals?) anyway... no Superman Returns preview before the film! Was this contractual that they couldn't show the trailer or what?

[hairlesswookiee]

i think Singer quit to take the Superman Returns job.

[Viking28]

I thought they got mad because he was going to do Superman and doing so created a delay on X3 so they fired him.

[gdb]

I thought they got mad because he was going to do Superman and doing so created a delay on X3 so they fired him.

That's what I remember hearing, too, but it's been awhile so I wasn't sure.

[gdb]

During filming, could no one see that there was a BEETLE crawling on Hugh Jackman at Picard's funeral!?!

You know just a little, "Hey, that was a great take, but could you do it again... and could some one get that beetle that's crawling on the actor's shoulder?"

[hairlesswookiee]

During filming, could no one see that there was a BEETLE crawling on Hugh Jackman at Picard's funeral!?!

You know just a little, "Hey, that was a great take, but could you do it again... and could some one get that beetle that's crawling on the actor's shoulder?"

im gonna have to watch it again and look for the beetle :lol

[DarkArtist81]

I saw it at an Edwards (which I think is a Regals?) anyway... no Superman Returns preview before the film! Was this contractual that they couldn't show the trailer or what?

No, I think it was just the theater... I saw it at a Regal and they played the Superman trailer. So I guess it's just the luck of the draw. Hell, I even heard that some movie-goers got to see the Clerks II trailer attached as well... :monkey5

[Scar]

In reference to the "which happened first" discussion, Ratner was originally tagged for Superman Returns, but quit over "creative differences." After that, Singer jumped on board Superman and X3 was left to collect dust. Fox then got Matthew Vaughn to replace Singer, but in May 2005 he left for "personal reasons." It was then when Ratner came back into the picture, now as the director of X-Men: The Last Stand. Circuitous, no?

[Protozaius]

In reference to the "which happened first" discussion, Ratner was originally tagged for Superman Returns, but quit over "creative differences." After that, Singer jumped on board Superman and X3 was left to collect dust. Fox then got Matthew Vaughn to replace Singer, but in May 2005 he left for "personal reasons." It was then when Ratner came back into the picture, now as the director of X-Men: The Last Stand. Circuitous, no?

I'm sure that there is a lot more to the story than what we have been told. Studios have a knack for spinning a story in a way that leaves them smelling like a rose. :rolleyes:

[gdb]

... Fox then got Matthew Vaughn to replace Singer, but in May 2005 he left for "personal reasons." ...

To spend more time with Andrew Card's children no doubt.:rotfl :rotfl

[noelleon69]

did any of you guys who watched the ending after the credits see any other alternate ending other than the xavier one???

i was visiting another board and came across this link: http://xmenfilms.proboards54.com/index.cgi?board=spoilers&action=display&thread=1148560348

it seem the alternate ending shows Pyro going back to the sch/mansion. Saying "Bobby... I'm sorry, You were right, I never should have left..."

Iceman and Rogue goes... *NOD NOD * Its okay...

and first 2 people who claimed they saw this were from hong kong and malaysia. but over here in singapore, we all saw the xavier one.

interesting? i wonder if it's some joke/hoax??

[noelleon69]

i read on further from the link and someone says during an interview, Shawn Ashmore claims there are 5 different endings that will be shown randomly around the world - of course the main one would be the Charles and Moira one which most of us have been seeing.

other alternate ending claims:

The camera panning towards Jean Grey's gave and the tombstone shakes alittle then went blank... (from Germany)

Alkali Lake and the faint red glow was shown...

oh yah, i was thinking about the part where a couple of you guys were talking about if he moved it. after trying to recall the movie made me realise what was it about. and i'm here to add... yes he definately moved it for sure. :monkey1

[puppet pusher]

Scar,

Thanks for taking the time to put the events in X3 in prospective for one who is only generally aware with the X-Men universe. It helps me to accept how we were forced to watch a lot of important characters get wiped out of the picture--and how that some have indeed "openings" to return. I just know this material could have been handled better, but there is a lot to like in this film.

BTW, I thought that having Magneto turn as he leaves Phoenix's apocalyptic scene of destruction and say, "What have I done?" represented a 180 of his character that wasn't justified in the script. Oddly, this was one of the moments that bothered me most.

--Chris

[Scar]

I'm sure that there is a lot more to the story than what we have been told. Studios have a knack for spinning a story in a way that leaves them smelling like a rose. :rolleyes:

Hence my reasoning for putting "creative differences" and "personal reasons" in quotations ;) .

*EDIT* Also, it was my pleasure to talk in detail about the movie, it's nice to have somewhere to discuss these matters where people might very well understand what I'm getting across. As I said previously, many of my friends are huge fans, but sometimes when I go on like that I tend to lose them. Concerning Magneto's character, my theory there at the end revolves around a single statement, "What is a king without a kingdom?" Magneto wished to shape the world to clear the way for mutant supremacy, making preparations for the inevitable course of evolution turning man into a being of truly higher powers. When the Phoenix began to unleash her fury, one has to really keep in mind what the Phoenix is. The Phoenix is a destroyer of worlds arguably considerably more powerful than even Galactus, and what we saw at the conclusion of TLS was her power only beginning to breach the dam. Imagine what could have happened had her full fury been unleashed! It's staggering to even consider the entire planet torn asunder, but not out of the question here. With the Phoenix being the raw, emotional power locked within Jean's mind, a personality that soon became distinct and sequestered from that of Jean Grey's consciousness resultant of Xavier's fearful precautions, a being of not only limitless potential but positively no remorse manifested itself and began to consume all the world in her wrath, as we began to see before Wolverine literally "stuck a fork" (or forks ;) ) in the matter. As far as the comics are concerned, the Phoenix chose Jean as a vessel because of her vast well of power to draw from and her empathetic potential. TLS eliminated alot of the "average joe" audience's confusion by just taking the route of Phoenix's power being an evolutionary step for Jean, another reason why she was of such great interest to Magneto and the Brotherhood, not just as a weapon but as a symbol.

[carbo-fation]

i read on further from the link and someone says during an interview, Shawn Ashmore claims there are 5 different endings that will be shown randomly around the world - of course the main one would be the Charles and Moira one which most of us have been seeing.

other alternate ending claims:

The camera panning towards Jean Grey's gave and the tombstone shakes alittle then went blank... (from Germany)

Alkali Lake and the faint red glow was shown...

oh yah, i was thinking about the part where a couple of you guys were talking about if he moved it. after trying to recall the movie made me realise what was it about. and i'm here to add... yes he definately moved it for sure. :monkey1

Interesting....I really don't want to, but I guess I might have to watch it again.:confused:

[melvinpelayo]

Lol i saw that beetle too! It's probably John Lennon...

[Bodie The Cursed]

Would have it been that hard to give Rogue a southern belle and Collosus a Russian accent for us comic book fans?.. And where was nightcrawler!.. I feel I have compromised enough w/ the leather costumes..

Good movie..Enjoyed it.

[tomandshell]

Rogue might have had a Southern accent. I can't be sure since she didn't have any dialogue during her 47 seconds of screen time. :monkey3


And Nightcrawler apparently allowed his peaceful spiritual nature to keep him out of the conflict, according to the storyline for the official tie-in video game written by Chris Claremont.

[Darklord Dave]

Rogue has had a southern accent since she was introduced. Since Paquin is Australian, there's a very noticeable difference.

[Darth Loki]

Rogue has had a southern accent since she was introduced. Since Paquin is Australian, there's a very noticeable difference.

She had a southern accent in the first movie though! Maybe she lost it being in New York.

[King Darkness]

Saw it...loved it....'nuff said!!

[TOE]

:D Just saw it and liked it. The effects were great and the story line was great as well. I loved the fight scenes. Only bad thing is that it did not follow the comic version. ...would have been nice to see Gambit though :rolleyes: And isn't Spike suppose to be Storm's nephew or something? And Juggernaut and X-Avier looked like they didn't know each other. Ehhhh.....it was good though. :D

[carbo-fation]

And isn't Spike suppose to be Storm's nephew or something? And Juggernaut and X-Avier looked like they didn't know each other. Ehhhh.....it was good though. :D

Yes and yes. Oh well... I can just keep my fingers crossed for the next one!!

[Agent0028]

I thought the movie was good, but I don't follow the comics, so I just have a few questions.

Did Jean rip people apart at the molecular level or something?

Was that supposed to be Blink that helped Magneto find Leech?

Who was Psylocke in the movie?

And those mutants who kinda joined with Magneto at the curch, were they Morlocks?

Thanks guys.

[Scar]

Jean released levels of radiation that caused organic material to literally burn away, seen most abundantly at the point when Jean was beginning to discorporate the planet, stripping it down to its primal components in the next stage of her evolution at the film's conclusion, as detailed in the screenplay. So in theory, yes, she was building to a massive molecular conflagration that was witnessed on a small scale by basically rendering any in her way to mere clouds of ash.

If you're referring to the mutant who could sense the powers of other mutants and was possessed of heightened strength, speed, and agility, that was Callisto.

Psylocke was the young Asian girl with streaks of purple through her dark hair, standing next to Callisto in the Church, spouting the line, "They want to exterminate us!"

Also, yes, a large portion of the Brotherhood in X3 were the Morlocks, led by Callisto and tattooed with the Greek letter Omega (symbolizing the end times, and that it would be the end for any who stood in opposition to them).

I hope this helped to clear some things up.

[Agent0028]

Yes that did, thankyou.

[Mithrandier]

Coming out on DVD Tuesday, October 3rd, 2006......................