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pjam
05-02-2006, 04:55 PM
Here are 2 links to the brand new Superman Returns Trailer being released this week in Theatres. I'm sure there are others.
Please allow sufficient time to load! Enjoy!

Link to Hi Res Trailer:

http://www.egotastic.com/video?qt=http://images.apple.com/movies/wb/superman_returns/superman_returns-tlr2_h.640.mov&w=640&h=288&info=Superman%20Returns%20Trailer

Link to HI DEF Trailer:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/hd/

Btw, Looking pretty damn good to me!

hairlesswookiee
05-02-2006, 05:19 PM
alright finally. the first teaser didnt impress me, after seeing this i might actually go check the movie out.

pjam
05-02-2006, 06:14 PM
alright finally. the first teaser didnt impress me, after seeing this i might actually go check the movie out.

And this Trailer held a lot back, I think the flying scenes are going to be amazing.

EVILFACE
05-02-2006, 08:03 PM
It's alright, the teaser got me hooked more though. Prolly because of Brando's voice.

pjam
05-02-2006, 08:10 PM
It's alright, the teaser got me hooked more though. Prolly because of Brando's voice.


Loved the teaser too, not just the Brando voice but the John Williams score selection from the original Superman opening sequence...

DarkArtist81
05-02-2006, 09:38 PM
Loved the teaser too, not just the Brando voice but the John Williams score selection from the original Superman opening sequence...

Yeah, that's why the initial trailer sold me to this concept... just hearing Brando and listening to that classic JW score... showed reverance for the original two and made me feel that warm nostalgia. I'll be seeing it for sure.

So far I'll have to say that I like Routh.... he seems to have a handle on the voice and maneurisms of Superman/Clark. He echoes Reeves in tone, and I think it works.

As for Spacey... perfect Lex. Probably the best choice they could have gone with. From what was shown, I think this will be the best Lex representation yet....

carbo-fation
05-02-2006, 10:24 PM
The trailer was awesome. Lex Luthor and Clark Kent look very decent and the graphics look stunning. Can't wait for the movie when it hits this summer. :chew :chew

ChrisfromSideshow
05-02-2006, 10:34 PM
Posting purely in a non-sideshow capacity here...

But what the heck is the deal with putting a kid in the movie? I mean - come on! *whimpers*

Everyone knows the way you ruin a movie is put in a 'kid-centric' plot.

But hey - who knows, maybe this one will be different. I'll go see it for sure..:)

Darklord Dave
05-02-2006, 10:47 PM
I haven't read the script, but I don't get that the kid's that central. And Lois Lane with a child is something we've never seen before. I think he's there just to hit home to Clark just how far Lois has moved on from her crush on Superman.

Maybe we'll get lucky and the kid will die early in the flick...:monkey2

pjam
05-02-2006, 10:57 PM
Posting purely in a non-sideshow capacity here...

But what the heck is the deal with putting a kid in the movie? I mean - come on! *whimpers*

Everyone knows the way you ruin a movie is put in a 'kid-centric' plot.

But hey - who knows, maybe this one will be different. I'll go see it for sure..:)

Sorry bout that Chris but SSC does distribute Hot Toys and Medicom product and some of us were wondering/hoping you might be carrying the Superman Returns line ala Spider-Man so I thought it was cool in the gang.

And what is with that kid?!The only kid I want to see is superkid lifting a truck, again!

EVILFACE
05-02-2006, 11:23 PM
Betcha the kid turns out to be Superman's. They did get it on in part 2 and this is a sequel.

Not totaly sold on Routh, but I have faith in Singer's direction. Spacey is a good pic and suprised they kept to the kinda silly Lex from the originals.

pjam
05-02-2006, 11:55 PM
Yeah, the kid is definitely Lois' kid, I forgot about that, not knowing anything about the plot...

and it could be Supes kid but I'm not so sure that it will be in this first sequel in so long, don't know if that's what they want for this movie. It's a bit out of left field if you know what I mean and instead of focusing on Supes we'll be thinking about the new superkid, We'll see...

tomandshell
05-03-2006, 12:29 AM
Posting purely in a non-sideshow capacity here...

But what the heck is the deal with putting a kid in the movie? I mean - come on! *whimpers*

Are you referring to Clark or Lois?

Agent23
05-03-2006, 06:08 AM
So, this is basically a sequel from the Christopher Reeves' Superman?

:confused:

ChrisfromSideshow
05-03-2006, 07:18 AM
Are you referring to Clark or Lois?

Nope, I'm referring to the kid, not superman as a kid.

GUESSING THE PLOT SPOILER WARNING

I was referring to how the trailer implies that a big part of the plot is Lois and her kid get kidnapped by Lex and Superman needs to save them.

In general, I'm not a fan of the 'save the kid and mom' plot - seems like that has been done quite often through the years.

Like I said, I'll go see it either way.

EVILFACE
05-03-2006, 08:54 AM
So, this is basically a sequel from the Christopher Reeves' Superman?

:confused:

I don't think a direct sequel, but 1 and 2 are used at the backdrop to this. One gapping hole is at the end of part 2, Superman tells the President that he will never leave us again, yet in the new movie he has been away for a few years :confused:

pjam
05-03-2006, 10:10 AM
Nope, I'm referring to the kid, not superman as a kid.

GUESSING THE PLOT SPOILER WARNING

I was referring to how the trailer implies that a big part of the plot is Lois and her kid get kidnapped by Lex and Superman needs to save them.

In general, I'm not a fan of the 'save the kid and mom' plot - seems like that has been done quite often through the years.

Like I said, I'll go see it either way.


Totally Agree, don't really want to see a kidnapping flick but hopefully this will be a late second act plot point and the movie isn't entirely wrapped around it.

But I'll see it opening day anyway.

Rugby1970
05-03-2006, 10:49 AM
It's really cool to see Superman do his thing using the best modern visual effects money can buy.

One thing worries me though. Routh sure looks the part, but they never really let him talk in any of the trailers. In this one, most of his lines are off screen or else they are quick, one line zingers. Is his acting so off they feel they have to hide it?

Casting an unknown was a great idea, but I hope his performance is up to speed. He'll need to connect with the audience to make this film a huge success.

carbo-fation
05-03-2006, 11:09 AM
From what I can see from the trailer, Routh's acting isn't all too bad and Singer's choice of having a no-name actor as the star should make this an interesting movie.

buzzybean
05-03-2006, 11:13 AM
Looks pretty cool. Love the opening Antartica shot! I just don't understand why they didn't start over like they did with the Batman movies. I still don't understand what the big deal is with the original Superman movies. I was listening to Dr. Laura yesterday and she mentioned the Superman "flies around the world to reverse time thing " which made me laugh.

I also think this guy looks more like a Superboy than a Superman. I think the logo shield design and the colors they're using are real boss.


BB

carbo-fation
05-03-2006, 11:31 AM
I still don't understand what the big deal is with the original Superman movies. I also think this guy looks more like a Superboy than a Superman
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I don't know why they didn't start the movie from the very beginning like with Batman, but I think this should make it all the more interesting because it will be less obvious. I agree with fact that both Lois and Clark look way too young. I guess that can also be seen as good thing so they can star in future Superman movies, if this one turns out to be a hit.

HonestysPolicy
05-03-2006, 12:40 PM
I'm still torn with how this movie will be. The Actor has some tall shoes that can never be filled. But I'll still go see it when it comes out on opening night of course. Save my review till then.:emperor

Viking28
05-03-2006, 12:43 PM
This trailer to me really makes me want to see it now unlike the X-men trailer.

King Darkness
05-03-2006, 12:46 PM
Its a bird..Its a plane...no wait...its a really cheesy line form what looks like is going to be a really good movie....I think I getting a little excited to see this one..Singer has a great track record with comic movies, so I dint see him letting us down with this one...I do however agree with a few who have already made comments about the added kid....not to found of kid saving movies...also Spacey looks to have been cast perfectly for Lex....really looking forward to the movie now...


:chew:chew:chew600 POSTS!!!!!!:chew:chew:chew

pjam
05-03-2006, 12:47 PM
Link to HI DEF Trailer:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/supermanreturns/hd/

EVILFACE
05-03-2006, 12:59 PM
I still don't understand what the big deal is with the original Superman movies.

You need to rewatch the first movie then. Christopher Reeve is Superman and Clark Kent. He nails them both perfectly. Good scene to see this is right after the flying bit with Lois during here interview, he goes from Clark to Superman right back to Clark with flawless execution. The delivery of the lines he makes as Superman oh and he is the reason the suit is faithfull, they wanted to changes to it back then as well.

PsychoCenobite
05-03-2006, 01:45 PM
Ooh, Kevin Spacey looked and sounded like Gene Hackman in the part were he asks Lois to say it only once. Then she says 'You're insane'. ThenLex laught and looked and sounded like Hackmans Lex! Cool!

Looks good but I'm lost with when this is set? Before the Superman films? After? Or just a new set of films like Batman Begings?

PsychoCenobite :monkey5

Wor-Gar
05-03-2006, 01:49 PM
Anyone got this trailer for someone who doesn't have HD or QT 7?

Gruson
05-03-2006, 03:17 PM
I still don't understand what the big deal is with the original Superman movies. I was listening to Dr. Laura yesterday and she mentioned the Superman "flies around the world to reverse time thing " which made me laugh.
BB

As someone else said,

Reeve nailed both Superman and Kent in the Superman films. He was perfect at both of them and has that great "likeable" factor that Superman should have.

Add that to Donner's directing, Hackman's great Lex and John Williams BEST score ever and you have a classic. Brando and Stamp (Zod) were also great.

Also, in 1978 it was AMAZING to see a man fly on the big screen.

captain sack
05-03-2006, 03:31 PM
Looks good but I'm lost with when this is set? Before the Superman films? After? Or just a new set of films like Batman Begings?

from what i understand, it's set about 7 years after superman 2.

superman leaves earth to look for more survivors of krypton after becoming curious about general zod, non and ursula and visits the remains of krypton.

you could kinda look at this film as the "new" superman 3.:chew

carbo-fation
05-03-2006, 03:33 PM
Evilface and Gruson took the words out of my mouth. The first 4 Superman movies can never be outdone. They were fantastic in every way and Reeves was the best choice for Superman.
Looks good but I'm lost with when this is set? Before the Superman films? After? Or just a new set of films like Batman Begings?


I think it is set after the first four Superman movies or maybe even after the first two. But nontheless, it is supposed to be a sequal unlike Batman Begins.

captain sack
05-03-2006, 03:34 PM
Looks pretty cool. Love the opening Antartica shot! I just don't understand why they didn't start over like they did with the Batman movies. I still don't understand what the big deal is with the original Superman movies. I was listening to Dr. Laura yesterday and she mentioned the Superman "flies around the world to reverse time thing " which made me laugh.

I also think this guy looks more like a Superboy than a Superman. I think the logo shield design and the colors they're using are real boss.


BB

just curious, but how old are you? i don't mean that as an insult, but i've recently discovered that most people who think "superman the movie" was lame are kinda young. i'm guessing late teens, early 20's?:monkey1

as for starting over? why do this? why waste an hour or more on a back story that was done perfectly in superman 1?

batman never really had his back story told, so that was good to see, but the frist 2 superman films were near perfect. why not just forget superman 3 and 4 and go from there?

Gruson
05-03-2006, 03:37 PM
you could kinda look at this film as the "new" superman 3.:chew

But "bad" Superman is classic in part 3. It's great when he is drunk in bar, flicking nuts at alcohol bottles, breaking them. ;)

captain sack
05-03-2006, 03:40 PM
But "bad" Superman is classic in part 3. It's great when he is drunk in bar, flicking nuts at alcohol bottles, breaking them. ;)

yea, that was really cool, and i loved when clark beat bad superman in the junkyard, but even the most devoted chris reeve and superman fan(which i am) will admit that three and four are mostly crap.(thanks to the sucky director and producers). :monkey2

carbo-fation
05-03-2006, 03:41 PM
just curious, but how old are you? i don't mean that as an insult, but i've recently discovered that most people who think "superman the movie" was lame are kinda young. i'm guessing late teens, early 20's?:monkey1

as for starting over? why do this? why waste an hour or more on a back story that was done perfectly 28 years ago?

batman never realy had his back story told, so that was good to see, but the frist 2 superman films were near perfect. why not just forget superman 3 and 4 and go from there?

Well said. I am 21 and I think the first 2 movies were done perfectly. Althougt, I would have liked a hotter Lois Lane .:D

Gruson
05-03-2006, 03:46 PM
yea, that was really cool, and i loved when clark beat bad superman in the junkyard, but even the most devoted chris reeve and superman fan(which i am) will admit that three and four are mostly crap.(thanks to the sucky director and producers). :monkey2

Yeah, 3 and 4 have some ok parts in them (3 more than 4) but they are no where near the quality of 1 and 2.

Donner's version of 2 will be coming out at the end of the year. While I love part 2 how it is, it will still be cool to check it out.

LOTRFan
05-03-2006, 03:57 PM
The trailer certainly has me more interested than I was, the first trailer just seemed rushed (perhaps an homage) it came across like they really didn't have much filmed.

The only thing I am unsure of is Lois, certainly much younger.

pjam
05-03-2006, 04:06 PM
The word I hear is this film "takes place" sometime after Superman 2 and uses many of the story elements from the first 2 films...

TheObsoleteMan
05-03-2006, 04:47 PM
yea, that was really cool, and i loved when clark beat bad superman in the junkyard, but even the most devoted chris reeve and superman fan(which i am) will admit that three and four are mostly crap.(thanks to the sucky director and producers). :monkey2As awful as 3 was, that Clark vs Superman fight is classic. There's absolutely nothing good about 4, nothing.

ChrisfromSideshow
05-03-2006, 05:18 PM
Just rewatched the trailer in HD on my 23-inch Cinema display...and, while I still think the kid angle is going to be slightly annoying, man does this flick look good! :)

tomandshell
05-03-2006, 05:34 PM
How long has Superman supposedly been gone when this film takes place? And how old is the kid? If Lois is in her early twenties, then she had to have given birth in her late teens, and that would have been after the first two films. The timing of this now seems to mean that Superman 1 and 2 took place while Lois was in junior high school.

Or else the character is older than Kate Bosworth--but she doesn't look that much older than very early twenties...

Wor-Gar
05-03-2006, 05:35 PM
How long has Superman supposedly been gone when this film takes place? And how old is the kid? If Lois is in her early twenties, then she had to have given birth in her late teens, and that would have been after the first two films. The timing of this now seems to mean that Superman 1 and 2 took place while Lois was in junior high school.

Or else the character is older than Kate Bosworth--but she doesn't look that much older than very early twenties...

So are you saying that Superman had sex with a teenager? Nah...

TheObsoleteMan
05-03-2006, 05:38 PM
How long has Superman supposedly been gone when this film takes place? And how old is the kid? If Lois is in her early twenties, then she had to have given birth in her late teens, and that would have been after the first two films. The timing of this now seems to mean that Superman 1 and 2 took place while Lois was in junior high school.

Or else the character is older than Kate Bosworth--but she doesn't look that much older than very early twenties...I just think of it in comic book terms where people never really age.

pjam
05-03-2006, 05:50 PM
Much of the new Film uses story elements and past history from Superman 1 and 2 and pretty much ignores Superman 3 & 4. Apparently it doesn't necessarly take place AFTER Superman 2.

Darklord Dave
05-03-2006, 06:33 PM
I've always been bugged that Clark and Lois are so young - the actor playing SuperMAN is younger than the actor playing SuperBOY (Welling)! They said they had to cast young because they plan on doing at least 3 films, but it really doesn't make sense for Bosworth to look like that and have a 6 year old.

captain sack
05-03-2006, 07:46 PM
I've always been bugged that Clark and Lois are so young - the actor playing SuperMAN is younger than the actor playing SuperBOY (Welling)! They said they had to cast young because they plan on doing at least 3 films, but it really doesn't make sense for Bosworth to look like that and have a 6 year old.


if i'm watching a movie about an blue tight, red cape wearing alien that flies, the last thing i'm concerned about is that lois lane may look a little too young. it's not like she's 12. :chew

would you rather a 58 year old margot kidder be dragged out from hiding under my porch?:rotfl :D :D :D

i've always thought christopher reeve was the only guy who could play superman, but after seeing the new trailer, my mind is changed.

EVILFACE
05-03-2006, 09:01 PM
Superman is 30 years old in the first movie. There is also the cameo by the younger Lois Lane on the train, she looks 10 or so years old compared to 18 for Clark Kent. So going by that, she is 22 when Clark meets her at the Daily Bugle.

Darklord Dave
05-03-2006, 09:03 PM
Margot Kidder didn't exactly look 22 when they meet at the Daily PLANET. Does it say somewhere that Clark is gone for 12 years in the original movie?

TheObsoleteMan
05-03-2006, 09:04 PM
Superman is 30 years old in the first movie. There is also the cameo by the younger Lois Lane on the train, she looks 10 or so years old compared to 18 for Clark Kent. So going by that, she is 22 when Clark meets her at the Daily Bugle.How old was she when he met her at the Daily Planet? :monkey5

captain sack
05-03-2006, 09:11 PM
Margot Kidder didn't exactly look 22 when they meet at the Daily PLANET. Does it say somewhere that Clark is gone for 12 years in the original movie?

it's something like that. when jor-el is speaking to clark at the newly created fortress of solitude, he says how many years clark is "away".

bottom line is, yea, they look young, but i'm not gonna let it spoil a possibly wonderful film. plus when they make "superman returns part 5" in 2018, they won't look too old.:lol

EVILFACE
05-03-2006, 09:22 PM
How old was she when he met her at the Daily Planet? :monkey5

LOL, my bad, the PLANET :rotfl

:emperor <~~~~ He made me type it I swear!!!!!

pjam
05-06-2006, 07:51 PM
From the TimesOnlineUK:

Mr Singer has claimed that Superman Returns is not a sequel to the four movies in which Mr Reeve starred, although it begins after the battle between General Zod and his gang of Kryptonian villains. Superman has disappeared from Earth for six years while he searches for other survivors from his home planet. The plot involves him returning to Metropolis and resuming his identity of Clark Kent. He soon finds out that Ms Lane is in a relationship and has a son. The residents of Metropolis have learnt to live without Superman.

TheObsoleteMan
05-06-2006, 08:24 PM
From the TimesOnlineUK:

Mr Singer has claimed that Superman Returns is not a sequel to the four movies in which Mr Reeve starred, although it begins after the battle between General Zod and his gang of Kryptonian villains.If it begins after the battle with Zod and his gang, how can it not be a sequel? :confused:

Collector Freak
05-07-2006, 09:13 AM
The first 4 Superman movies can never be outdone. They were fantastic in every way and Reeves was the best choice for Superman.


The first 4? Are you kidding? The first two were good (but not perfect as you all seem to think), but 3 and 4 were absolutely horrible. Even the most diehard of fans would admit that.

Not being open to a new Superman film is pretty stupid of you. You're missing out on what could be the best Superman film yet. Try not to be so close-minded.

EVILFACE
05-07-2006, 11:45 AM
From the TimesOnlineUK:

Mr Singer has claimed that Superman Returns is not a sequel to the four movies in which Mr Reeve starred, although it begins after the battle between General Zod and his gang of Kryptonian villains. Superman has disappeared from Earth for six years while he searches for other survivors from his home planet. The plot involves him returning to Metropolis and resuming his identity of Clark Kent. He soon finds out that Ms Lane is in a relationship and has a son. The residents of Metropolis have learnt to live without Superman.

Hmmmm Superman has been gone for 6 years and wow, so has Clark Kent!!!!! That isn't hard to figure out now is it.

The first 4? Are you kidding? The first two were good (but not perfect as you all seem to think), but 3 and 4 were absolutely horrible. Even the most diehard of fans would admit that.
4 was bad all around, but 3 had some fun parts. I didn't mind Richard Pryor and the bad Superman is prolly as close as we are going to get to a Bizarro type character.

Darklord Dave
05-07-2006, 03:11 PM
There were bad parts in all 4, but I rewatch 1 & 2 all the time and they do hold a fond place in my heart. I don't think I've seen 3 or 4 since they came out, but I do remember thinking that with 3 they dumbed down Superman to almost the camp level of the '60s Batman. However Reeve was good in all of them.

gambit
05-07-2006, 04:58 PM
There were bad parts in all 4,

However Reeve was good in all of them.

Ditto on both;

I'd like to add one thing for Reeve:
On the dedication page of the most beatiful comic book I read it is said like this:

"Dedicated to Christophe Reeve, who makes us believe that a man can fly"

Reeve was someone that can never be replaced.

I wasn't having good thoughts of the newcoming returns movie, however, after watching the trailer, I can say that Ruth looks like a nice Clark Kent. I still coudn;t make my mind of his costume or his Superman look though.

For Lex: Michael Rosenbaum is much more a better LEX imo.

The cast doesn't save the new movie taking into account the bull**** of Lois' child, age inconveniences...etc.

Still it will take people's attention to Superman back again

carbo-fation
05-07-2006, 06:20 PM
Not being open to a new Superman film is pretty stupid of you. You're missing out on what could be the best Superman film yet. Try not to be so close-minded.

What are you talking about?? If you had read the previous posts you'd know that this is not what I am talking about. I am looking forward to this new movie and am going to see it opening night. Next time read more carefully and try not to be too "close-minded.":rolleyes:

Collector Freak
05-07-2006, 07:44 PM
I read your posts before I posted and you came off as uninterested. If not, then great.

wax murderer
05-07-2006, 08:18 PM
I'm looking forward to this, and I'm a George Reeves fan, so to my elderly eyes Routh REALLY looks like a kid. Heck, when the first film came out I thought Chris Reeve looked a bit young. And while he made a fine Superman, his Clark was a total dork. Having just acquired the Season 1 boxed set of the TV show, I'm understanding what a great job George did. His Clark was a fairly competent person in his own right, entirely believable as a serious reporter. Even my wife agrees that George's Clark is a much more 'real' person than Chris', and she sees Chris as Superman( she's a bit younger than me).
I guess the point is that we just have to wait and see, and be willing to give it a chance to prove itself on it's own merits, in spite of all the extra baggage...PS
Oh, and thanks for the new trailer...

TheObsoleteMan
05-07-2006, 08:38 PM
I'm looking forward to this, and I'm a George Reeves fan, so to my elderly eyes Routh REALLY looks like a kid. Heck, when the first film came out I thought Chris Reeve looked a bit young. And while he made a fine Superman, his Clark was a total dork. Having just acquired the Season 1 boxed set of the TV show, I'm understanding what a great job George did. His Clark was a fairly competent person in his own right, entirely believable as a serious reporter. Even my wife agrees that George's Clark is a much more 'real' person than Chris', and she sees Chris as Superman( she's a bit younger than me).

That was the great thing about George Reeves' version of Superman, you could actually see him having a life outside of being Superman. He was Clark, and he became Superman when necessary. With Christopher Reeve, he was Superman and Clark was his disguise which in hindsight makes his Superman seem a bit more aloof, almost condescending.

Darklord Dave
05-08-2006, 11:04 AM
Clark was his disguise
This is one of the great things about the Byrne Superman reboot of the '80s. Clark was the person and Superman was the disguise. Considering how he was raised this made far more sense. I liked Lois & Clark (and Smallville) for this reason and it was one of the main reasons I was disappointed that Singer went back to the Reeve movies for guidance. While I love the films, I hated that Clark was such a dork, no wonder Lois won't give him the time of day.

pjam
05-13-2006, 12:29 AM
RE: the kid in the trailer, I have some news but if you don't want to know


Skip this... SPOILER ALERT:



Ok if you want to know

I read an early review on AICN, a site I deplore but there was an early review posted from someone who actually screened the film and it had tons of spoilers but apparently

THE KID IN THE TRAILER, LOIS' SON, IS SUPERMAN'S KID.

Personally, I don't like this element in this film however

THE PLOT OF THE MOVIE IS NOT KIDCENTRIC as earlier feared.