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pitchin4eva
08-13-2005, 06:07 AM
Posted today on Gentle Giants webpage

20,000 Darth Vader ROTS mini-bust
15,000 ESB Yodas
15,000 sandtroopers 7500 of each
5000 speeder bike statues
2500 Barris and Luminaras (clone wars)
3000 Anakins (clone wars)
3500 Greivous (clone wars)

Thinking of cancelling now & picking up for $20 later :lol :puke

How can GG justify calling them LE?

One of Nine
08-13-2005, 07:30 AM
Is GG out of their mind? I think I will wait till most of these go on clearance to pick them up.

TheWitchKing
08-13-2005, 08:02 AM
Dam, Im cancelling. Good point Pitch, ebay later.

Oxbeard
08-13-2005, 08:13 AM
I have to say I'm very shocked. Large ES don't bother me, but definitely should have to pay retail with this many out there. I'll probably wait for the discounted overstock as well.

RichardW
08-13-2005, 09:22 AM
20,000 pole dancing Vaders? No thanks. I can't believe they set some of these so high. I guess they got tired of seeing what a handful of these busts go for on eBay, so they're going to make more busts now.

Gazmog
08-13-2005, 10:08 AM
:lol :puke

Thank God I cancelled!!!

Winged Shadows
08-13-2005, 10:16 AM
:rollin

OMG.... and people complain about high editions Sideshow used to set!

Viking28
08-13-2005, 11:07 AM
Your going to be able to find the Vader and Yoda bust in every movie store or whatever on clearence.

High editions usually have a backlash on a collectable company.

BUT anyway at least now we know why there hasnt been anything new from GG in the Star Wars line when you are making 63,500 pieces.

dstephan
08-13-2005, 01:06 PM
This is the same phenomena that led to 9500 Morgul Lords and Saurons. Speculators drive up the secondary market and the manufacturer says "gots to get me some o'that" and makes more. Result? Plenty for everyone that wants one at reasonable prices. Win/win situation as far as I'm concerned.

Viking28
08-13-2005, 01:55 PM
Win/win situation as far as I'm concerned.

I dont know I dont really see it that way I think it would of been a win win situation if they would of lowered the price since they made so many.
With that many $22 retail I think would of been fair, then I can see a win/win situation. The dealers would of been able to move them easier because its $22 bucks vs $50.

They wouldnt have to worry about the flood on ebay as much or them being placed on clearence at the local store. Plus with the lower price more people would of picked him up at stores. Stores near me cant get rid of their GG Luke bust.

jdonoho
08-13-2005, 06:06 PM
I agree...the busts...way too many. The maquettes...pretty reasonable IMO. There were only 2500 of several from the first series, with Yoda being at 7500.

But I'm not sure why the Clone Wars LE #'s are reasonable and the busts #'s are astronomical. I guess they figure if 10,000 Stormtroopers are ok...then 7500 of each Sandtrooper should be fine and 20,000 Vader should be fine. I guess they didn't consider the Stormtroopers are set building pieces with some buying more than 1 for the different poses, but Vader & Yoda...why would anyone want more than 1 unless for resell? Oh well....
:dunno

Bonehead15
08-13-2005, 06:25 PM
I agree Dave. Who cares how many is in an addition?

As long as everyone who wants one gets one that's all I care about. I collect cause I'm a fan of the property not because I plan on reselling later.

CobbyD
08-14-2005, 10:13 AM
I for one haven't got a problem with high edition sizes even this high but in the case of the speederbike diarama increasing an edition size from 1500 to 5000 after retailers and distributors have been preselling them for months based on a lower edition size is very shoddy.

Viking28
08-14-2005, 12:16 PM
If Bruce Dickinson wants more Vader busts we should probley give him more Vader Busts.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/99/pics/99pcowbell1.jpg

hairlesswookiee
08-14-2005, 03:06 PM
^^^ yes, more cowbell!!!!

lakeshouse
08-14-2005, 03:21 PM
that's just sick :sick :puke

jlcmsu
08-14-2005, 04:32 PM
And people bitched about the ES for the SSW stuff :lol The ES really means crappola to me like Dave said but this is funny.

Viking28
08-15-2005, 08:44 AM
I dont see anybody really bitching about it, more that they dont like high edition sizes.

jlcmsu
08-15-2005, 10:14 AM
I dont see anybody really bitching about it, more that they dont like high edition sizes.

Maybe not here about the SW stuff but a few of the SW sites I've checked out the ain't too happy.

RodLonghi
08-15-2005, 10:58 AM
Ridiculous numbers ... I'm really upset with the speeder biker which I've pre-ordered thinking it was going to be 1,500 , maybe I 'll cancel it and get if off ebay . IMO an ES of 20,000 can't be considered as a limited edition product, even some DvD releases like the Terminator 1 have a much lower LE.

Viking28
08-15-2005, 12:59 PM
http://www.evilmonkey.tv/downloads/stewieyoko.jpg

mrichards2002
08-16-2005, 08:26 AM
Hi Everyone,

The Clone Wars Pieces have a nice edition size. 20,000 isn't limited. I mean, they made 10,000 Lava Vaders and I thought that was alot. Yet, you really can't find one. I think it will have an impact on price, but it will still be in big demand. Don't forget Star Wars is hot overseas as well and at least for Vader, he is an Icon so I think they will be available for probably 10 months before they dry up. I think you would be able to get a pretty good deal on them. Same goes for Yoda. I think Yoda will be the one to be really low priced because 15,000 is alot for his character (IMHO). As for the Biker Scout, 5000 pieces isn't that much considering the demand and how hot the piece looks. As for Sandtrooper, people collect them 6 at a time, LOL (Armies). Those I think will sell out first. I think some of these companies wing it based on demand for the product and presales once it's first announced. If GG was going to make 10,000 Vader busts, but presold 16-17,000 then at that time, I would think is when they bumped it up. As for being collectible? At 20,000 pieces, I don't think it's a piece which will double in price in 3 years. But then again, who knows? Sometime you can not call this stuff.

Thanks,
Mike
:ted

jdonoho
08-17-2005, 12:05 PM
I for one haven't got a problem with high edition sizes even this high but in the case of the speederbike diarama increasing an edition size from 1500 to 5000 after retailers and distributors have been preselling them for months based on a lower edition size is very shoddy.

I thought I heard last year before the Sandtrooper on Dewback piece that all dioramas would be around 1500. Anyone else remember this? Thought it was in an interview with GG or something....hmmm....I don't know...just a bad memory most likely. :\

jdonoho
08-17-2005, 12:10 PM
I think the big gripe also is when you have 15,000-20,000...probably gonna see some great prices. People don't like to think that they pre-ordered something at a price that will be higher than they actually end up selling for when they ship. Because when they pre-ordered...they were assuming a reasonable LE.

The Lava Vader thing...kind of different since price was a bit cheaper, more tikes may've wanted, more parents would buy an action figure than a fragile bust for their kids, etc...all types of things that can be compared though. Marketing may be one too...buying at Target and visible in ads...how many people really know about Gentle Giant or even Sideshow...or the collectible industry in general? A lot of people know about toy action figures. Another topic, another story...don't rambling. ;)

elwood49
08-18-2005, 08:37 AM
Man, I'm cancelling these to get them off Ebay. Even if I get charged a 5% fee from one of our board dealers, I'll still come out WAAAY ahead in the end. This is rediculous.

TURINS BANE
08-19-2005, 03:47 AM
It is a joke to even call them limited editions. :puke ..But that speeder biker, is going to go for nothing on ebay.:D :yay













:bliss

elwood49
08-19-2005, 04:10 AM
I think the big gripe also is when you have 15,000-20,000...probably gonna see some great prices. People don't like to think that they pre-ordered something at a price that will be higher than they actually end up selling for when they ship. Because when they pre-ordered...they were assuming a reasonable LE.

That's EXACTLY what my gripe is. I've had these on order for months, but people who decide to get them now can do so for even cheaper than what I paid/will pay. I preordered the Biker Scout assuming an LE of 1500 as was originally indicated.

If I knew it was 5000, then I would have held off for Ebay. I think the Dewback might really start to skyrocket later this year now that these ES's are so high. I mean, I remember seeing Dewbacks with a $129.99 BIN on Ebay when it was released, and it retailed for $240. Surely I can get the Biker Scout for $120-$130 tops.

Azog of Moria
08-19-2005, 05:30 AM
Just my 2 cents, the Biker Scout is a statue, not part of the diorama series...

jdonoho
08-19-2005, 08:33 AM
Well that was part of my gripe if it was part of the diorama series...the base should've been from Endor. But, it's still part of their 7" series with the Dewback, so Diorama/7" series...whatever you want to call it...I thought they were all said to be an LE of 1500 originally. :dunno

jlcmsu
08-19-2005, 08:35 AM
I've had these on order for months, but people who decide to get them now can do so for even cheaper than what I paid/will pay.

That sucks ;)

hairlesswookiee
08-19-2005, 06:59 PM
yes this sucks indeed. i have already cancelled my preorder for the scout trooper/speeder bike. not that the edition size matters to me, but the people who rushed to pre-order because being told of the LOW edition size are indeed getting the shaft.

mrichards2002
08-20-2005, 11:01 AM
Hi Everyone,

I can't wait for the scout on speeder bike to come out. The piece really looks incredible. 500 or 5000, 1 is mine.
:lol

The edition size will hurt sales, but not when they are first released. About 1 month later when they are selling on street corners in hot dog carts since everyone will have them in abundance is when the market will drop.

Still about 1 year later when they all sell out, prices will stabilize and may even rise a little (Code 3 made 10,000 Millennium Falcons). Try to find one now, which is not used (In someone's collection). Some people are paying retail for that ship and 10,000 is a real big number on that piece.

Mike
:ted

dstephan
08-20-2005, 12:52 PM
I remember the outrage when the edition sizes for Gandalfax, ML and Sauron were announced. Sounds like the order 2 (one to sell) has infected GG customer base as well.

jlcmsu
08-20-2005, 02:35 PM
Yup, that will always happen in collectibles when money becomes the bigger deal.

jdonoho
08-20-2005, 02:44 PM
Are you kidding me? At GG prices (busts in particular) it's a buy 6-8 scenario, not just 2. :lol

But, yeah...it's just like Sideshow...then the edition sizes jump and the profits on resell go down...good for collectors, but a bit of a backlash as prices really drop for their product...doesn't look as good when your products sell for pennies so to speak and you decrease the edition size again...etc. Never ending in the money game...everyone wants some.

I'm just surprised GG didn't do it years ago. The last 6 years would've been good to them, but they were slower to start in the game I think. Production may have been an issue...don't really know the reason for smaller editions previously.

elwood49
08-20-2005, 03:22 PM
Yup, that will always happen in collectibles when money becomes the bigger deal.

:rolleyes

jdonoho
08-20-2005, 09:12 PM
Money makes the world go round...everyone wants a piece of the pie or smaller costs...it never ends...just have to live with it and follow the circle round and round. Just gotta be glad things are being made that you want to collect. 20,000 Darth Vader busts is better than GG not making busts/statues at all.

Oxbeard
08-21-2005, 03:40 PM
I wonder what the original estimates/expectations for ES of Vader and Yoda were?

Just looking at the entertainmentearth site, they never sold out of preorders for those 2 bust, but did sellout of preorders on the Speederbike and the 2 Sandtrooper busts. Now I notice that the Speederbike is available again, not surprising with a larger allocations and likely cancellations since the ES announcement. While the Sandtroopers are still soldout, again somewhat understandable. I figured the Sandtroopers would handle a larger ES better than anything else since 1) the ES is divided among the 2 bust and 2) a lot of collectors actually army build with the busts as well so buy more than 1 of each.

Has anyone noticed these trends anywhere else?

jlcmsu
08-21-2005, 03:49 PM
Just gotta be glad things are being made that you want to collect.

Thats my mind set. I'm just glad stuff is being made from movies that bring me happiness are out so I can buy and have a piece of them.

jdonoho
08-21-2005, 05:49 PM
Oxbeard, remember that just because a particular site is sold out or not...it doesn't mean a whole lot since they may not order as many as possible. They may've only ordered so many, regardless of the LE size.

I know Marz was still selling both to retailers...anyone can look at their site (just can't see the prices). But, they could be sold out with GG before Marz has removed from the site. Or GG could merely over allocate and have a bunch of shortages.

I think it's pretty obvious when an edition size isn't announced...that the manufacturer is waiting to see how many pre-sells they get before setting the edition size. Much how Master Replicas is doing with the sabers...just retiring eventually although still numbering. Maybe they should just pre-sell without an edition size announced that way they could at least number their sabers...xxx out of yyyy. I don't like the xxx, but you don't know they yyyy way they are doing it right now. Like Yoda ROTS LE is retired...how many did they make of him? I don't know that I've ever heard.

elwood49
08-21-2005, 05:53 PM
I wonder what the original estimates/expectations for ES of Vader and Yoda were?

I thought Vader would have a 10,000 ES and Yoda would have a 7,500 ES.

I thought the Speeder Bike had a 1,500 ES when I ordered mine (:balrog ), but then I thought it would be 3,000 after GG announced that the ES was being increased due to demand.

What really bothers me about all of this is that dealers were told that the ES was 1,500 when the preorders went up. I quickly ordered mine from Bob before they sold out. Now, I need to cancel to save some money with the large ES, but I get charged 5% for doing so.

It just makes me mad that Gentle Giant gave the dealers information that turned out to be MAJORLY false. If they increased the ES to 2,000-2,500, then no big deal and I still would have preordered. A 5,000 ES means that I should put the Biker Scout on the backburner for a while since they will be around. This is much like what I did with Gothmog, where I just bought one for $180.00. How does that make those who paid $300.00 for him feel? It would drive me crazy to know that I paid full price when I could have paid significantly less.

Viking28
08-21-2005, 06:05 PM
Yea Ive noticed a lot sites have them back up, if you take a look at the other boards a lot of people have cancelled their orders.

Oxbeard
08-21-2005, 06:05 PM
Oxbeard, remember that just because a particular site is sold out or not...it doesn't mean a whole lot since they may not order as many as possible. They may've only ordered so many, regardless of the LE size.

Yeah, I understand that. It's just that I also anticipate that these retailers place an order with at least an estimation in mind on the edition, like everyone's understanding of 1500 on the speederbike. Then if the demand has been high with increased amounts of preorders, that they will try to order more especially if the ES is announced to be larger than first anticipated. Back to the speederbike, it looks like most retailers were sold out prior to the actual ES being announced, and now that it has been I would expect many to have tried to order additional quantities. Of course, like I mentioned before you have to factor in too the many cancellations that are apparently happening and then we see many of these items that were sold out now available for preorder again.

Of course, I know too that sometimes maybe even a lot of the time orders are placed with no idea was the ES is going to be and I can only guess that these orders are based on previous sales history of similar items. And I'm sure this is going to vary greatly depending on the size of the retailer and how long they have been in business. I was just using entertainmentearth as an example because I have done quite a bit of business with them, but they are a much larger retailer and also have a wholesale client base too.

But in the end I honestly don't care how many of anything they make as long as I am able to get the pieces I want. I just wish they would set a number and stick with it, that way you can have an idea of whether you need to preorder while you can or whether you'll have a better chance saving a lot of money on eBay after it releases.

jlcmsu
08-21-2005, 06:32 PM
Well, yeah if I was a dealer I would be pissed for sure cause I would think this hurts them way worse than any of us. Thats why I order from Bob or Adam on several things and just let it ride.

Viking28
08-21-2005, 06:32 PM
Unlike Sideshow orders dealers have to worry about their GG orders being allocated(spell?).

jlcmsu
08-21-2005, 06:43 PM
I guess. I don't know how much different GG is than SS when it comes to that stuff.

Viking28
08-21-2005, 06:49 PM
Sideshow handles there distro while GG doesnt.

jlcmsu
08-21-2005, 06:58 PM
I got ya.

elwood49
08-22-2005, 05:47 AM
But in the end I honestly don't care how many of anything they make as long as I am able to get the pieces I want. I just wish they would set a number and stick with it, that way you can have an idea of whether you need to preorder while you can or whether you'll have a better chance saving a lot of money on eBay after it releases.

I couldn't have said it better myself Ox. That's exactly how I feel.