Do all these new licenses mean the end for the old?`

[Ironman1188]

Don't get me wrong I'm tickled pink with the prospect of 1:6 Star Wars and the distribution of HotToys Rambo and Predator figures. I'm even thinking of getting a few of the LOTR ones if I can get thru. I know that the Angel license has been announced, but what does this mean for older licenses?
Will we ever see the Hellboy line get a Rasputin, Liz, John or Ilsa. No Ygor or Maleva or Pretorious for the Universal Monsters? No Giles in the BTVS? No Aldo, Virgil, Armando or any other POTA character? No Bond villains of Red Grant, Blofeld, Rosa Klebb, Goldfinger, Mr Wint & Mr Kidd, Bambi & Thumper, Kananga, Hugo Drax, Max Zorin or beautiful Bond girls like Honey Ryder, Jill or Tilly Masterson, Tiffany Case, Solitaire, Andrea Anders, Mary Goodnight, Major Anya Amasova, Holly Goodhead, Octopussy [smae actress as Andrea Anders], Stacey Sutton, Paris Carver, Christmas Jones. Or how about one or more of the plethora of Felix Leiters. Hey!!! If they give us Sir Godfrey Tibbett and Teresa DiVicenso we can also make the TV Avengers Steed & Peel!!
Ok I'm rambling and I'm not even the biggest Bond fan but you get the idea. will these older lines stay dorment in the wake of all the new multimillion $ properties or will the SSC tradition of making fan based quality pieces return?

[Shai]

Also, whats up with the new line horror line ???? Jason is the only survivor ? Where are all the other maniacs?

[dr2red]

Friday the 13th strikes with a double post by Shaihulud

[Fritz]

Good question. What's going on with Van Helsing? :rolleyes: :(

I'm still waiting for that 1/4 Anna Valerious. :drool

I know I know, the line is dead. But a guy can dream, can't he. :D

[Ironman1188]

Also, whats up with the new line horror line ???? Jason is the only survivor ? Where are all the other maniacs?

And even more importantly, where is Shaihulud's girlfriend?? :rolleyes:

[Poelzig]

Well,maybe if SS is willing to take the chance on obscure things like Pumpkinhead and Tremors,just maybe there still is hope for some of our favorite older lines.I would just like to see more releases in 1/6 scale....sooner or later all of this ultra high end merchandise has got to bottom out.:o

[Darklord Dave]

I get the impression that things like Pumpkinhead and Tremors are developed out of house so they don't take resources away from the main lines. But I am worried about Buffy/Angel and Bond which still have a ton of great characters to make. Universal monsters may be exhausted with A-listers and they've been burned with the B-people before. Renfield, Talbot, Bela as Gypsy - they all languished for a long time. Really I think the only viable one left is Ygor and then some PFs.

[Shai]

And even more importantly, where is Shaihulud's girlfriend?? :rolleyes:

Shes doing a strike...

[Ironman1188]

Shes doing a strike...
:crying :crying

[Collector Freak]

IronMan, we both know that, unfortunately, the POTA line is dead. :(

[shaithis77]

No line is ever really dead.

Well, almost no line.

Monkeybone, anyone?

;)

[Ironman1188]

I know nothing of the sort. Sideshow may indeed find a decent enough bone in their bodies to revisit one or two of the missing pieces. :bow:

[shaithis77]

No more Apes for you. You made fun of Tremors.


GRABOID PRIDE!!!

[Ironman1188]

Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

[shaithis77]

My graboid is gonna dig underneath your apes, and eat them! ALL OF THEM!


Okay, back to work.

[Ironman1188]

My graboid is gonna dig underneath your apes, and eat them! ALL OF THEM!


Okay, back to work.

I'm off today. I was hoping to get in on the early pre-order for the "BIG" announcement which a lot of us were hoping was a retuen of the apes. :D

[tomandshell]

I was looking back at the announcements from Toy Fair last February, and I noticed the Moonraker Bond. Almost a year later now, and no additions to the Bond 12" line since then. X-Files has had two, both low run online exclusives. I think that may be the future for some of these lines (those that still have a future). Some of them might only be profitable for Sideshow if they handled them directly, leaving the other dealers to sell SW and LOTR.

[Ironman1188]

I'm good with that as long as the fans can finally get the pieces they've longed for. It's retarded that we haven't seen a Giles yet.

[chamildav]

I wouldn't think the Bond line is dead, just real, real slow. Still stuff that people would like to have like Jetpack Bond, several poular Bond girls and Q, among others. I just think it's going to come along very slowly now.
Buffy and Angel? Angel has just been announced so I certainly think SSC wants to offer some figures before they cancel the line. Buffy's done darn well on the figures that have been praised. The less desirable figures linger on websights but the nice ones sell fairly quickly. Why kill the line?
Some of the other stuff like the Six Gun Legends I fear are gone forever. Don't expect to see any Van Helsing again, and Hellboy is likely on hiatus until they have a reason to produce a new figure. But it's movie tie in stuff so it makes sense it's not going to last forever.
Have the Universal Monsters really run out of interesting or saleable material? I think if SSC can do shorter runs, like 2500 or less they could maybe find enough fans to sell out in a reasonable period of time. I think Boris and Bela from "The Black Cat" would do great. I want Gloria Holden and Maria Ouspenskaya and I think they would be popular enough for limited runs. Less main stream but I would dearly love to add a Zita Johansen from the Mummy in the ceremonial costume to go with Ardeth Bey. Ygor just has to happen. And what about Basil Rathbone from "Son of Frankenstein"? I think that has a good shot at being a decent seller. Ah, who knows? I just hope this line isn't dead.

[creecher]

Yes. Yes they do.

It only follows that there are a limited amount of 1/6 collectors, so a finite amount of expenditure. Balance that against the various lines and something has to give. I don't know how Sideshow work it out, or how long a time frame an item has to be sold in, to be relegated to the "Not selling well" shelf, but you can see the problem. You may like to collect the X-Files for example and then along comes LotR, with the fast selling, rush or die pressure. So you jump on the band wagon and before you know it another one comes out. You relegate X-Files to the back of the queue, then next thing you know X-Files stops dead in its tracks.

Sideshow must be having to deal with storage problems. So down with the lesser lines and all ahead for Star Wars, to rake in some dollars to get Sideshow Bob a new warehouse and a leather reclining bucket forklift seat with adjustable air pillows. Go Bob, you da man.

Sideshow like to use different strategies, some work, some don't. There are many factors that can change outcomes drastically. Something happened with Buffy, for it to be the only line that has ever re-arisen from the hell mouth. We can't be privy to everything. Sideshow do try to mix it up to keep us wondering and hold out interest, or we'd see the most popular figures released till the line dwindles in interesting figures and sales slow to the point where the line is no longer viable. That would be the easiest way to go, but boring, and many lesser figures would never have seen the light of day.

In the end Sideshow have to do what must be done, with what they know and what they have and what is available. As long as there is a Spooktacular in the distance my hopes of another Uni monster figure is ALIVE.

[Seaward]

As happy as I am that Sideshow is making great new 12-inchers for LOTR and SW, I do think that the huge numbers that these two lines are bringing in are going to have an effect on the older, slower to sell lines. An exclusive SW figure with a run of 1750 sells out in one hour, but Darla had an edition size of 500 and lasted for a couple of weeks (I think, I may not be remembering that right...) The phenomenal sales of the new lines is great, but Sideshow has to be pretty patient to produce figures of such low editions that take forever to sell through. At some point the edition size falls to a point that it isn't profitable to bother producing.

That being said, I hope that Sideshow can take the fast cash from Luke and Aragorn sales, and use that to balance that against the slower turn-around for some of the lesser selling "must-have figures" from other lines.

This has been a surprising week though, raise your hands if you ever thought you might get a Graboid statue!:wacky

[Agent0028]

Ironman, I can sympathize with your POTA dillema...if they stop the Bond line...I dunno what I will do with myself. They're what brought me to sideshow and what kept me coming back. I can handle only a Bond figure a year...well I would prefer a couple, but I could handle one a year.

[Darklord Dave]

I think as the SW and LotR lines become entrenched it might bring people who had never been exposed to 1/6 into the hobby and there could be a resurgence of interest in the other lines.

Or not...

[thamesvalidude]

It's retarded that we haven't seen a Giles yet.

Well said Ironman. We know we're getting an Angel Cordy, so a Giles would be a fitting send off for the Buffy line. The line is so incomplete without him!

[wyrmn3500]

the x-files line gets a skinner, so i'm SURE we'll eventually, sometime, i suppose, see a giles, maybe, hopefully. . .

[elwood49]

I think it might be a good idea for SS to sell some fan coveted pieces as a site exclusive without a regular run. When people pay full retail, as with exclusives, they can make a profit without having to sell a bunch at the wholesale 40% discount to dealers. Let the dealers get the LOTR and SW pieces, which will sell no matter what the numbers are.

Look at the 1/4 Wolfman, that piece had a low exclusive run, and has been a huge success. Maybe all the Uni Monster 1/4's could be low run exclusives? The same could hold true for X-Files 12", Buffy 12", Uni Monster 12", and all the other semi-popular lines.

Actually, looking at the SS site, I think the Planet of the Apes line SHOULD be cancelled. Recent releases in that line followed my above formula (low run, site exclusive), and still haven't sold out. SS is no doubt losing money on them. I've been given several Ape Exclusives for free by SS.

Sorry ironman.:peace

[Dr_Zaius]

I think it might be a good idea for SS to sell some fan coveted pieces as a site exclusive without a regular run. When people pay full retail, as with exclusives, they can make a profit without having to sell a bunch at the wholesale 40% discount to dealers. Let the dealers get the LOTR and SW pieces, which will sell no matter what the numbers are.

Look at the 1/4 Wolfman, that piece had a low exclusive run, and has been a huge success. Maybe all the Uni Monster 1/4's could be low run exclusives? The same could hold true for X-Files 12", Buffy 12", Uni Monster 12", and all the other semi-popular lines.

Actually, looking at the SS site, I think the Planet of the Apes line SHOULD be cancelled. Recent releases in that line followed my above formula (low run, site exclusive), and still haven't sold out. SS is no doubt losing money on them. I've been given several Ape Exclusives for free by SS.

Sorry ironman.:peace :nono

I disagree that the Ape line should be discontinued. Many of them are on second chance, the exclusive Ursus US run has sold out, and all the Ape fans I talked with said the Mutant Jailer didn't have a chance and he Sold Out before the leader did. I think SS ran into a jam with the exclusives because they released the same figure with different clothes, or a gun, or a paper poster. I wouldn't trade my exclusives for anything but, if you want an exclusive, give me a low number on a figure that doesn't have a regular version or something like that. And you can't compare the Beneath Taylor as a real exclusive. He is the Taylor from the Taylor and Nova set with different clothes.
I think the Problem with the Sidshow Ape line is they released too many at one time which hurt the pocket of some of us collectors, they released too many of the smae figures, (4 Taylors???) and the advertising wasn't that great for the Apes.I consider myself a big Ape collector. I have all of the Mego Apes loose and in their packages, including the playsets, the origianl Addar models looe and sealed in their packages (and yes, that includes the Ape on the Satllion), as well as many other obscure things. How did I find out about the Sideshow Ape line? It wasn't buy their advertising; I found out about Sideshows Ape line buy accident.
I disagree that the line is dead, and hope you are worng. BUT, if it is, I still can't complain because they did release a lot of decent Ape figures. :rock

[Poelzig]

I think it might be a good idea for SS to sell some fan coveted pieces as a site exclusive without a regular run. When people pay full retail, as with exclusives, they can make a profit without having to sell a bunch at the wholesale 40% discount to dealers. Let the dealers get the LOTR and SW pieces, which will sell no matter what the numbers are.

Look at the 1/4 Wolfman, that piece had a low exclusive run, and has been a huge success. Maybe all the Uni Monster 1/4's could be low run exclusives? The same could hold true for X-Files 12", Buffy 12", Uni Monster 12", and all the other semi-popular lines.

Actually, looking at the SS site, I think the Planet of the Apes line SHOULD be cancelled. Recent releases in that line followed my above formula (low run, site exclusive), and still haven't sold out. SS is no doubt losing money on them. I've been given several Ape Exclusives for free by SS.

Sorry ironman.:peace

Well,we should consider character repetition of the Ape line being part of the slow sales...and that the sculpting missed the mark on a few figures.Sideshow collectors are notoriously picky,quality is why we are fans in the first place.

Better sculps,and just a little more variety in the character selection could revive the line.

[tomandshell]

I guess there's always hope, even if it's "just a fool's hope."

Regarding POTA: I read on a website (tvnewsondvd.com or something similar) that they are planning a major DVD box set release this year, which will include special editions of all of the "Apes" films, including the Burton remake, the complete television show, and the new to DVD animated series, all in one big set. Perhaps this will drum up some more interest for the line.

And of course we have another Bond movie coming out after a four year wait. The Bond line hasn't really ever had the push of a concurrent theatrical release to help it along. That might help their sales, if there is anything left to buy at the time besides Wai Lin.

There continues to be talk of an X-Files movie, and many believe that will happen soon. X-Files was a major cultural phenomenon and achieved critical and commercial success and high ratings throughout its run. Another movie to put it back in people's minds would help the Sideshow line--again, if there was anything left to sell by then.

And Buffy fans have a new movie coming up as well, which will renew interest in the line. No, wait a minute... Nevermind. They don't. Joss has moved on to other things... :naughty

Just kidding. I don't follow Buffy and never once watched the show, but I have heard that they are considering making what would basically amount to TV movies based on certain supporting characters and releasing them straight to DVD. Any publicity is good publicity, and again, this might renew interest in the line.

All of these lines (and more) have some hope of seeing future releases. Remember, Goonies never say die.

[Ironman1188]

I think it might be a good idea for SS to sell some fan coveted pieces as a site exclusive without a regular run. When people pay full retail, as with exclusives, they can make a profit without having to sell a bunch at the wholesale 40% discount to dealers. Let the dealers get the LOTR and SW pieces, which will sell no matter what the numbers are.

Look at the 1/4 Wolfman, that piece had a low exclusive run, and has been a huge success. Maybe all the Uni Monster 1/4's could be low run exclusives? The same could hold true for X-Files 12", Buffy 12", Uni Monster 12", and all the other semi-popular lines.

Actually, looking at the SS site, I think the Planet of the Apes line SHOULD be cancelled. Recent releases in that line followed my above formula (low run, site exclusive), and still haven't sold out. SS is no doubt losing money on them. I've been given several Ape Exclusives for free by SS.

Sorry ironman.:peace

You are entitled to your opinion, Elwood. I just cannot agree. The lack of variety in the early offerings, FOUR Taylors!!!, was not a help. There was little to no sales pitch and when they got to site exclusives....well, I think there may have been better choices for the characters chosen. But, if you were lucky enough to get several exclusives for free, I'd be happy to negotiate a deal for a few I may not have. :)

[stickman]

I second that notion. I will gladly take what you consider a failure off your hands, my friend. SSC's heart just wasn't 100% into the Ape line after the first run. I also agree that the overload on Taylors helped steal the magic away from the Ape's line. One or two figures a year from this line could still flourish, I believe. Figures that are unique and true examples of their counterparts though, not just rehashed characters. This line could still excell if SSC poured out some kickass accessories; discussed in another thread, and too long to list. There are still quite a few strong characters left untouched by SSC but that will be left to them. Come on SSC, more Ape related items!

[Dr_Zaius]

I was thinking about this post today and I am not taking back what I said about two many of the same figure BUT if Sideshow were to do an Astronaut Alan Verdon and Peter Burke, and then release the same figure in their slave attire, I WOUL BE FIRST IN LINE TO BUY BOTH VERSIONS :rock
But, I think what would be cool for the Alan Virdon and Pete Burk is if Sideshow would release them in their Astronaut attire and package with them in the same set their slave attire to change them into. If you are like me, I would have to buy two sets of them to have one in Astronaut Attire and the other to dress in Slave Attire. I think if they double packed them like they did Taylor and Nova, and had them in the Astronaut suits and pack the slave suits in the same package, they would be surprised at how fast they would sale.
Of course, for accessories we would need their back packs, the fight disc recorder that Alan carried, maybe an ape rifle, the water canteen that Alan carried on the side of his back pack, and so on. :drool