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Darklord Dave
12-16-2005, 11:32 PM
This came up on rebelscum, but I believe we'd discussed it before. Would you joing a club ala Columbia House that would commit you to ordering every Star Wars 12" that they produced, sight unseen?

So no matter the price ($50-$100) you'd commit to buy each exclusive figure they did. In exchange for this commitment you'd be exempt from the pre-order frenzy.

I could see this effecting the number of exclusives made, they'd make as many exclusives as club members and perhaps no more than that.

Now I don't know what kind of software this would require and don't know if it's even something they'd consider. But I'm curious how many would participate.

Agent0028
12-16-2005, 11:43 PM
As great as that sounds I'd have to opt out. Its not that I don't think Sideshow would do an awesome job on any figure, its just that I can't afford nor have the room to get every single one, much as I would LOVE to. But, if sideshow wanted to implement it and my fellow freaks liked it, I wouldn't object, even if it meant missing out on the exclusives. I'd just have to hope the exclusive wasn't something that I would be really really unable to live without! :google

Jesseawilson
12-16-2005, 11:49 PM
Well I suppose alot of people would want to know how many "all of them" means. Poeple might be willing to commit if they knew if it was 20 or more like 50, cause that is an expensive difference.




Jesse

show73
12-16-2005, 11:57 PM
I would seriously consider if it absolutely guaranteed every 12 inch to be made - including any and all convention exclusives.

EVILFACE
12-17-2005, 12:22 AM
I would. But how would the exclusives be handled? If 2000 are on this special order list, only 1700 exclusives, who determines who gets the exclusive?

Darklord Dave
12-17-2005, 12:42 AM
I'd think they'd have to produce enough exclusives for all the club members. It's not a perfect system, because it does make it easier for scalpers as well as honest collectors, but it beats the frenzy of trying to get an order in.

JustinLuck
12-17-2005, 01:42 AM
I like the way it is now. But moving it to the weekend or Friday evening would be perfect.

The Ugly Uruk
12-17-2005, 05:22 AM
Moving it to a weekend or a Friday would be nice but imagine how hard the servers would get battered then. A 2 hour window with everyone in the Star Wars fanbase that collects these pieces would cause a meltdown of epic proportions. It would be spoken of as legend. Exclusive-lore if you will. You want to read about bad go over to rebel scum and read the tales of trying to pre-order GG exclusives. I think when Han went up, it had to go up twice. The first try caused a major meltdown. We got a notice later that they were going to try it again, but on a different day! Talk about steamed people! They had a chance to really fry on that one for like a week. All exclusives are going to be a nightmare and I have yet to see a good way to handle them. Produce too many, say, for all the subscribers, and is it really an exclusive any more? Sure, then you can throw the rest to the masses, but are the people that don't get one of those going to be any happier? You can go on and on with scenarios. There are just way too many factors involved to make everyone happy. I say stay with what you have and improve on what you can. Just my $.02 please don't flame, kill, or set my house on fire.:D :peace

pickard
12-17-2005, 06:12 AM
I like the way it is now. But moving it to the weekend or Friday evening would be perfect.
No, that'd be awful for me.

I don't believe I would have gotten Anakin yesterday if I'd been trying from my home's dial-up connection.

NASEDO
12-17-2005, 06:43 AM
I like the idea, and I would join. Just work out the details and it can work. 1 or 2 year deals, seem ok. Include an extra figure for members only.

lcummins
12-17-2005, 08:01 AM
I HATE collector clubs! I shouldn't have to pay to join a club just for the right to give a company money to buy a product! The products will always sell, even without a club, so that is just an excuse to rake in more money! BAH! NO CLUBS! :cool:

JohnyBoo
12-17-2005, 08:02 AM
I also would join if it included convention exclusives as those are the hardest for me to obtain. If I didn't like the figure, I could always sell it.

Jesseawilson
12-17-2005, 08:12 AM
I HATE collector clubs! I shouldn't have to pay to join a club just for the right to give a company money to buy a product! The products will always sell, even without a club, so that is just an excuse to rake in more money! BAH! NO CLUBS! :cool:



I don't believe that Dave said it would cost anything. I certainly know that Columbia House doesn't charge anything but what you pay for the product. You just have to commit to buy them all to be ensured of getting them all.



Jesse

lcummins
12-17-2005, 08:25 AM
I don't believe that Dave said it would cost anything. I certainly know that Columbia House doesn't charge anything but what you pay for the product. You just have to commit to buy them all to be ensured of getting them all.

Jesse

Well, if you didn't have to pay to join, it's not much different than the newsletter already, except for the commitment to buy and how will they enforce that? If you can't afford a figure at one point in the releases are you kicked out of "the club" and not allowed to get any of the other figures? Again, I will state, I HATE CLUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banghead

Buttmunch
12-17-2005, 10:13 AM
I have already commited my self to buying every figure. I've already done it/doing it with the X-Files. This club would be perfect to me (and would get rid of some stress). I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks, ($0-$20 Max) to be guranteed every exclusive figure. Sideshow should really consider this. Or perhaps members of this board should be granted a little more privilages (not that we haven't gotten some already).

We are their most loyal customers. Most of the Rebelscum guys are true Star Wars fans and honestly want the figures, but most of them are only buying the Star Wars lines, whereas most of us here buy many other lines. In Sideshow's eyes, we are the target market since we aren't limiting ourselves to one line. Sorry for the rant, but I just feel something needs to be done with the exclusive Star Wars figures. Why not make them TBD like they did with the Iron Man statue? Even for 24hrs would do, that way most everyone would be able to get one. The exclusives should be rewards, not punishments for not being by a computer all day to order them.

The Josh
12-17-2005, 10:19 AM
I voted yes. Though depending on how the rules came out I might change my mind. I know there would be some that would not be my cup of tea but I could help other members out that did want them. It would be nice to know when Vader, Maul, Fett, Clone Troopers, etc. come out I didn't have to make sure I was at the PC. Either way I'm all good.

Customikey
12-17-2005, 10:56 AM
There's just no way to make everybody happy. It all comes down to a question of rewarding your most loyal fanbase, which is what they are trying to do. But when you reward a few, inevitably the rest feel slighted.
I'd be more inclined to not have exclusives at all! I was a big fan before the exclsusive thing! They were putting out magnificent figures with perfect accessories.
Honestly, look at your collections. If you never knew about the exclusives, would you have missed them?
This is not to say I'm not grateful for the warm feeling of ordering and receiving something special. It's just not paramount to my enjoyment of the figure.

Darklord Dave
12-17-2005, 05:41 PM
As a "collectibles" company I can see that they might be resistant to open editions, it does take away some of the collectibility.

And given their incredible flexibility on canceling orders I don't know how you enforce the subscription service, perhaps take a deposit that is applied to the cost of the figures, but is forfeit if you cancel one. Or if you cancel one your subscription ends and you have to re-join the preorder madness.

It's not my job to come up with the specifics, just to propose impossible solutions. :banana

(Unless they want to hire me as a consultant....)

Bonehead15
12-17-2005, 05:44 PM
Sign me up!!!:google

This is a great idea. :joy :banana

kierbaudy
12-17-2005, 07:19 PM
I hate clubs. But, I have to admit, I hate the frenzy of ordering these figures even more, so I voted yes. The exclusive edition sizes will be much larger and the regular figures will probably languish.

Darth Waller
12-17-2005, 07:24 PM
I think this is an interesting idea. So far I've been home for preorders I wanted, but I'm starting a new job next month, so the ease of preorders will be over. Something as suggested by Dave would be beneficial for me because I wouldn't have to worry about ordering a figure if it's already reserved for me.

Because of my love for Star Wars, I can't see Sideshow making any figure I wouldn't want anyway.

hairlesswookiee
12-17-2005, 09:00 PM
i voted yes just simply because it would make things easier, but what happens if you dont like a particular one?? would you be allowed to cancel the order?? or what happens if you plain just dont have the money...i know it sounds sad, but i had a car accident once that costed me my toy spending money.(on any other site that might sound pathetic)

FlyAndFight
12-17-2005, 10:18 PM
I voted no.

I don't want to be committed to purchasing any product sight unseen.

With that being said, if we were to have this "club" thing working and I were to receive a figure that I don't like, would Sideshow pay for the return shipping and credit my account?

tomandshell
12-17-2005, 10:55 PM
what happens if you plain just dont have the money

One thing Sideshow could do is charge you $500 or so up front (plus shipping for 8 or 9 packages), and then send you all the figures for that year without having to worry again about expired or maxed out credit cards or declines. If I know I'm going to get them anyway, then I would be happy to pay for them up front if it meant not having to stress out again like on Friday.

If it were just a matter of indicating interest in the product, I think they already know we are interested--as the sales have shown! It would really all be to our benefit (not Sideshow's) to have a subscription service--the figures will sell out in hours no matter what. If we want the advantage of not having to deal with the stress of preorder then we would need to pay a premium. If it's all our benefit then we should be willing to pay the money up front for a year's worth.

SKARY
12-17-2005, 11:22 PM
I like the idea of a SW exclusive figure club. I think that a $10. non-refundable per figure deposit but applied to your total would be fair to show your committed to this.plus it would make people think twice about cancelling an order. And if one did cancel an order they would lose their place on the club and it would open a space for someone on the club waiting list. So lets see say the next piece's exclusive is limited to 1750 make 875 for club members and 875 for the general public.Also they would have to make this option available to freak members first for their loyalty to sideshow or have some sort of lottery for memberships whatever THEY (Sideshow) see fair.
Just my opinion but great thread discussion here................................OUT

FlyAndFight
12-18-2005, 10:02 AM
I'm not about to jump through hoops in an attempt to throw my money at any company. I'm especially not about to send them $500.00 dollars ahead of time. The Star Wars line is obviously popular, so the loss of one customer won't even be noticed, but I think it's a bad idea.

SideshowToys has become a premier collectable company with the best customer service in the business. This elitest type of move towards a club would be a bad move. I really don't agree with the "If you balk, you lose your place in the line" idea.

I'd rather put up with refreshing a screen for an hour in order to place an order, than any of the above ideas.

But that's just me..

Hjalmar
12-18-2005, 11:34 AM
I would sign up for this instantly, no questions asked. Sideshow guarantees me each SW 12-inch exclusive edition, no hassle, and I'll guarantee them I'll pay for it, no hassle.

They've done subscription plans before (LOTR medallions).

I'd even subscribe to multiple lines (Universal Monsters 12 inch, horror, twilight zone, outer limits) if they let me. I suspect many of you would also sign up for Buffy, and some folks would be willing to do the PF LOTR.

-Rob

Bum
12-18-2005, 12:01 PM
If you have a fairly good sized budget, and you are a completist type of collector, then it is a very good option for you to sign up for an automatic "list" or whatever for purchase on all of them. It WOULD be nice to be guaranteed a figure every time.

The only question with that is, you still leave some of the pick-and-choose collectors out the window. this solution only addresses part of the problem.

it would also be nice if the pick-and-choosers who are still loyal to SSC, and a bit loyal to a particular line can have a chance to sign up for an item ahead of time.

MAYBE, have it set several ways IF SSC is willing to deal with it.
Have one set for the collector's club. You set up an item number, say "A10000" and call this the 'COLLECT ALL ITEMS', and charge you the full amount... only thing is, will all of them be $54.99? That locks SSC at a certain price they may be wanting to charge a little more, or, maybe, a little less. The refunding or extra charging would suck as far as a Customer Service issue.

And then, the second part to implement is still let SSC loyalistis, through the newsletter, have a chance to buy it at a leisure time instead of putting them in a small time window to buy the item(s), and then deal with the non-regulars. No, this doesn't mean that anyone who has a newsletter is automatically guaranteed one, but like i mentioned in another thread, give a choice upfront. if you say yes, you get to buy one. if no, that's that. back to fighting with the others if you change your mind.

The figures will sell, regardless, so unless they make the sizes godawfully high, they shouldn't have too much burden of having a lot in inventory.

Booyah!
12-18-2005, 12:06 PM
Yes, without a doubt. Brillant idea. I've always considered the 12" line the staple of my Star Wars collecting and will gladly sign up for every exclusive made.

If nothing else, it will help cut back on the monthly heart attacks alot of us are anticipating for upcoming releases. :cool:

lcummins
12-18-2005, 12:25 PM
Both the Luke and Anakin exclusives sold out in record time for Sideshow! Lots of people did not get one or the other or both and have complained. If Sideshow had a "subscription" club, wouldn't that probably just increase the edition size of exclusives to the point that people would then complain they are no longer exclusive?

Some have suggested a lottery or something similar to join the club; if you think the complaints are loud now, wait until some of you miss out on joining that club!!

Some have suggested that members of this board deserve some kind of special treatment. While this may be an unofficial "official" board for Sideshow, that does not mean anyone here deserves anything special over others.

Sideshow is trying to make a system to order that is as fair as possible to everyone around the world, while not costing the company in terms of overtime to keep employees after hours, etc. The only way to satisfy the ones who miss out on a pre-order is to increase the edition sizes; then people complain about large edition sizes! And for those complaining about the pre-order times, there would be others who complained about a weekend or night pre-order time.

Personally, I think the new system comes the closest to satisfying the most people. The biggest complaint was the servers couldn't handle the loads and they are working on that. I can't wait to here the complaints when a big pre-order only takes 15 minutes to sell out because the servers can handle the loads and everyone gets on at once and places their orders! And no, that isn't a pro for a subscription service in my opinion!

Agent0028
12-18-2005, 04:07 PM
...big pre-order only takes 15 minutes to sell out because the servers can handle the loads and everyone gets on at once and places their orders! And no, that isn't a pro for a subscription service in my opinion!

Funny how overloaded servers and hitting the reload key a few dozen times doesn't seem so bad anymore.

BTW Hjalmar...can I borrow some money? :D

Darth Waller
12-18-2005, 04:26 PM
While this may be an unofficial "official" board for Sideshow, that does not mean anyone here deserves anything special over others.

Sure we do! :D

pitchin
12-18-2005, 04:35 PM
Some have suggested that members of this board deserve some kind of special treatment. While this may be an unofficial "official" board for Sideshow, that does not mean anyone here deserves anything special over others.



We have a traitor in our ranks!!! :D :D :D

lcummins
12-18-2005, 05:58 PM
Shhhh! I was trying not to make the other boards jealous! :wacky