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AngryEwok
06-17-2009, 04:49 AM
I'd eat monkey brains for a 1:1 Vader helmet.

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 10:17 AM
As for size differences, to me the Fetts were always a shorter character in my head, so I have no problem showing Jango with SS Vader (if I get him, on the waitlist).

With Sideshow's Vader, Medicom figures aren't just a matter of height, overall size they look like a little kid. I won't even photograph my Boba Fett with Vader because it looks rediculous, and I'm not saying that to put down Medicom, just keeping folks from having illusion that some Medicom figures will work with Sideshow Vader. I've heard Medi Stormies and Clones are closer in size to a Sideshow figure so those could work, but the Fetts will not.

pixletwin
06-17-2009, 10:18 AM
I actually would like to see a photo of Vader with Medi-Boba. :monkey3

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 10:19 AM
I can oblige, but it won't be pretty, I was hoping to do that shot of Vader and Boba from ESB in the carbon freezing chamber but it won't come out good, but just to show folks how it looks I will do it.

pixletwin
06-17-2009, 10:55 AM
:rock :rock :rock

One of my favorite pics of Medi-ROTJ Vader is one where someone had posed him with SS Jedi Luke and had put the caption "My what a small head you have father". :lol

Good times.

galactiboy
06-17-2009, 11:11 AM
Yeah, I'd still like to see the Medi Boba with him... just for kicks.

The Stormtroopers are still short, but the Clone's are scaled like other companies so they would work... but since Sideshow's look better I'd just stick with them.

OSCORP
06-17-2009, 11:51 AM
SS can and I think they will.

That's gonna be tough. Medi Boba is one of their best.

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 11:53 AM
That's gonna be tough. Medi Boba is one of their best.

Yup, Medi Vader is flawed and left room for improvement, there's not much I can think that didn't turn out right on Medi Boba Fett, especially the helmet, that's perfection to me, at least the sculpt, paint might be able to look better. It will be nice that Sideshow Fetts will have hard armor though, I like that, and I imagine Sideshow's armor won't be stuck on by velcro with cheap glue holding it together.

galactiboy
06-17-2009, 12:03 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't say Sideshow will blow the Medicom version out of the water... but I think scale wise it will be better and after seeing how nice Vader turned out I feel confident the armor bits will turn out very nice.

The hand sculpts will probably also look better on the Sideshow version... they still do some of the best gloved hands.

Darthrazz
06-17-2009, 12:14 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't say Sideshow will blow the Medicom version out of the water... but I think scale wise it will be better and after seeing how nice Vader turned out I feel confident the armor bits will turn out very nice.

The hand sculpts will probably also look better on the Sideshow version... they still do some of the best gloved hands.

Yep, and I imagine that the belt, rope and holster(if they do ESB) will be leather versus plastic, or felt!

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 12:14 PM
The hand sculpts will probably also look better on the Sideshow version... they still do some of the best gloved hands.

That's the one area I look forward to Sideshow Fetts the most, hand articulation, especially Jango. Old style Medicom hands are so limiting for poses, their new ones like Maul and Sideshows hands are much better, and the gun slinger pose options with Jango should prove very nice, and Boba can probably hold his gun in some new poses too.

Vader's armor is great, very nice fit to the base body, quality materials and finish. Between Vader, Boushh, Clonobi and the Stormie, I have no worries with Sideshow and armor.

Darthrazz
06-17-2009, 12:16 PM
Between Vader, Boushh, Clonobi and the Stormie, I have no worries with Sideshow and armor.

Wow, look how far Sideshow have come. I remember the old "Sideshow can't and won't do armor" discussions weren't too long ago. Bravo Sideshow! :duff

Lordscum
06-17-2009, 12:44 PM
Wow, look how far Sideshow have come. I remember the old "Sideshow can't and won't do armor" discussions weren't too long ago. Bravo Sideshow! :duff

Of course they naysayers will say but it took them almost three years to get to this point and some people complained of loose joints and other nitpiks .


I've enjoyed what Sideshow has produced for the Star Wars Liscense from day one and sometimes to put out a quality product and to do it right it takes time.

Now that we're here enjoy it instead of complain about it .

I can't stand the pople that stopped collecting SS products a year or two ago but still come in her to whine and complain.

Anyhow enough of my rant, Vader will be here in a few short weeks and I can't wait!

Darthrazz
06-17-2009, 12:56 PM
Of course they naysayers will say but it took them almost three years to get to this point and some people complained of loose joints and other nitpiks .


I've enjoyed what Sideshow has produced for the Star Wars Liscense from day one and sometimes to put out a quality product and to do it right it takes time.

Now that we're here enjoy it instead of complain about it .

I can't stand the pople that stopped collecting SS products a year or two ago but still come in her to whine and complain.

Anyhow enough of my rant, Vader will be here in a few short weeks and I can't wait!

Can't wait for Vader either, just think , armored characters can only get better from this point!

bmarz1000
06-17-2009, 02:27 PM
Can't wait for Vader either, just think , armored characters can only get better from this point!

Next stop...Droids. :r2d2line

Darthgothikus
06-17-2009, 02:57 PM
Next stop...Droids. :r2d2line

Stop it! You'll get everyone excited. :nono




Damn.




Now I'm excited. :monkey4

fantasymaker
06-17-2009, 03:00 PM
the bests for now...........



http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv244/obipato/2089483864_5bf6d46d6b_b.jpg


http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv244/obipato/5.jpg


http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv244/obipato/BOBARAH1.jpg

abake
06-17-2009, 03:27 PM
I love them, but isn't this the Vader pic post?

fantasymaker
06-17-2009, 03:52 PM
I love them, but isn't this the Vader pic post?

Hello Abake , if you read some posts behind , you see because i put the photos :wave

EVILFACE
06-17-2009, 03:59 PM
People were wanting to see SS Vader and Medi Boba in the same pic, not just pics of Medi Boba and Jango. . .

fantasymaker
06-17-2009, 04:08 PM
People were wanting to see SS Vader and Medi Boba in the same pic, not just pics of Medi Boba and Jango. . .

jajajaja do not be angry friend .....:wave

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 04:09 PM
People were wanting to see SS Vader and Medi Boba in the same pic, not just pics of Medi Boba and Jango. . .

And they will, soon.

fantasymaker
06-17-2009, 04:16 PM
Until maulfan put some .........look at this Evil !!!!!!!


http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv244/obipato/MTBOBA3.jpg

DinoLast
06-17-2009, 04:22 PM
Until maulfan put some .........look at this Evil !!!!!!!


http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv244/obipato/MTBOBA3.jpg

Wow, Boba is going to need a little step ladder when photographed with SS Vader

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 06:21 PM
Look at him in his wee little boots :lol

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/DVBF1.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/DVBF2.jpg

EVILFACE
06-17-2009, 06:25 PM
LOL.

It's like a parent taking their kid trick or treating.

OSCORP
06-17-2009, 06:35 PM
Two gorgeous figures.

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 06:37 PM
Two gorgeous figures.

Indeed, they're both great, they just can't go together.

pixletwin
06-17-2009, 06:38 PM
Two gorgeous figures.

I was just going to say: Except for the obvious size difference, there are two figs that look to be of the same quality.

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 06:42 PM
Seeing my Medi-Vader and Fett image makes me feel like pointing out this comparison.

One thing I hate about the Medicom Vader is how he looks from this angle.

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv244/obipato/MTBOBA3.jpg

Particularly his face mask, but even the top/front of the helm seems odd.

Sideshow's just looks so much better, not the exact same view, but close enough you can see the difference. From some angles, Medi-Vader's face almost seems pig-like.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/31.jpg

minivader
06-17-2009, 07:17 PM
http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/31.jpg

is that finger prints and smears on the vader helmet? I was just reading a post about bandai's new SOC mazinger, and it comes with a pair of glove (or you pay for it, I don't know, but its cool they have that) for the collector to use so the figure can stay finger print/smear free.

Anyways, loved your pic of boba and vader, kry is right, 2 sweet figures.

Lee in MI
06-17-2009, 07:19 PM
I don't know...but this looks like the Vader might be too tall:huh

Cause the ANH pics show Vader as being taller than the Stormies by a head...i always thought Boba was as tall or shorter than the stormies.

Any thoughts?


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/3637647282_3cf7b13711.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3637605380/

minivader
06-17-2009, 07:20 PM
cant see your picture....

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 07:21 PM
is that finger prints and smears on the vader helmet? I was just reading a post about bandai's new SOC mazinger, and it comes with a pair of glove (or you pay for it, I don't know, but its cool they have that) for the collector to use so the figure can stay finger print/smear free.

Yeah, if you're touching the helm to pose him it can get finger prints. Very easy to get rid of though, I used a simple soft cloth and light rub down and they were gone, just sometimes when I've been shooting Vader for here, I've been so caught up in getting lots of shots, I'm not stopping to get him his prettiest.

zeiss
06-17-2009, 07:26 PM
Seeing my Medi-Vader and Fett image makes me feel like pointing out this comparison.

One thing I hate about the Medicom Vader is how he looks from this angle.

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv244/obipato/MTBOBA3.jpg

Particularly his face mask, but even the top/front of the helm seems odd.

Sideshow's just looks so much better, not the exact same view, but close enough you can see the difference. From some angles, Medi-Vader's face almost seems pig-like.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/31.jpg

I agree completely. The way Medi-Vader's face mask and dome look from the side has always been my greatest problem with the figure..even more so than the size. I am so glad that the profile of Sideshow's Vader looks so much better.

minivader
06-17-2009, 07:26 PM
Yeah, if you're touching the helm to pose him it can get finger prints. Very easy to get rid of though, I used a simple soft cloth and light rub down and they were gone, just sometimes when I've been shooting Vader for here, I've been so caught up in getting lots of shots, I'm not stopping to get him his prettiest.

vader needs his make-up time to look his evilest :lol:lol:lol

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 07:28 PM
Actually, to help it look more ANH, fingerprints and skin oil help dull up the dome :lol

Lee in MI
06-17-2009, 07:28 PM
cant see your picture....

Not sure what's going on with the stupid flickr pic

minivader
06-17-2009, 07:30 PM
One thing I hate about the Medicom Vader is how he looks from this angle.
Particularly his face mask, but even the top/front of the helm seems odd.

Sideshow's just looks so much better, not the exact same view, but close enough you can see the difference. From some angles, Medi-Vader's face almost seems pig-like.




I agree completely. The way Medi-Vader's face mask and dome look from the side has always been my greatest problem with the figure..even more so than the size. I am so glad that the profile of Sideshow's Vader looks so much better.

I wonder if that's because medi has a removable helmet with a HS in it? I mean, in order to make it all fit, some parts of the helmet sculpt need to be tweaked somewhat to accomplish that.

mah45
06-17-2009, 07:32 PM
Hey Maulfan,
How does the medicom Boba Fett stand in size to Sideshow Darth Vader
Any pics?

Perry

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 07:35 PM
I wonder if that's because medi has a removable helmet with a HS in it? I mean, in order to make it all fit, some parts of the helmet sculpt need to be tweaked somewhat to accomplish that.

No, it's just off, the whole shape to the front of Vader's mask sucks once you start moving from a front view towards a profile, and the areas that are off are nowhere near where it goes into the dome, and really, even though it's not a reveal head, Sideshow's dome comes off, so that function doesn't affect the mask either.

Medicom's was the best, certainly better than Hasbro, but there was room for Sideshow Vader to be closer to the movie. Slight dome issues aside, they've just about hit a bullseye with it. I'd like to see alternate domes on future Vaders if this isn't permanent LFL dictation (if so, screw LFL), but as far as the mask goes, it's perfect, adjust the triangle on the bottom accordingly for ESB/ROTJ and that's it, keep every other detail the same.

minivader
06-17-2009, 07:39 PM
Hey Maulfan,
How does the medicom Boba Fett stand in size to Sideshow Darth Vader
Any pics?

Perry

page 103, post 1025

Anzik
06-17-2009, 07:39 PM
Hey Maulfan,
How does the medicom Boba Fett stand in size to Sideshow Darth Vader
Any pics?

Perry

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1769811&postcount=1025

Lee in MI
06-17-2009, 07:41 PM
Here we go!


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/3637647282_3cf7b13711.jpg


Looks like Vader may be too tall :huh

minivader
06-17-2009, 07:42 PM
Medicom's was the best, certainly better than Hasbro, but there was room for Sideshow Vader to be closer to the movie. Slight dome issues aside, they've just about hit a bullseye with it. I'd like to see alternate domes on future Vaders if this isn't permanent LFL dictation (if so, screw LFL), but as far as the mask goes, it's perfect, adjust the triangle on the bottom accordingly for ESB/ROTJ and that's it, keep every other detail the same.

:lol:lol:lol, man, if that was ever in doubt.

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 07:43 PM
Well, first off, it's a Sideshow Vader with a Medicom Fett, who is on the shorter end of Medicom figures.

Secondly, Vader's going to be taller than that photo even with a Sideshow Fett, but it'll be much closer, add another inch at least to the Medicom Fett.

tylerdurden
06-17-2009, 07:45 PM
some have been saying vader's too tall.
and many have been saying the ht predator is too short.

maybe they should switch bodies or somethin. :lol

btw, that medi fett looks ridiculous next to ss vader.
medi sure has a weird sense of scale. :confused:

minivader
06-17-2009, 07:45 PM
Here we go!


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/3637647282_3cf7b13711.jpg


Looks like Vader may be too tall :huh

or boba too tall? :lol

Lee in MI
06-17-2009, 07:47 PM
Well, first off, it's a Sideshow Vader with a Medicom Fett, who is on the shorter end of Medicom figures.

Secondly, Vader's going to be taller than that photo even with a Sideshow Fett, but it'll be much closer, add another inch at least to the Medicom Fett.

I know its medi and SS vader and fett respectively, but even if the SS fett was as tall as the SS stormie, he would be much taller in comparison to that photo. The SS stormie comes to Vaders shoulder.:rolleyes:

SOLIDSNAKE
06-17-2009, 07:49 PM
cant wait to have this figure !

Lee in MI
06-17-2009, 07:50 PM
or boba too tall? :lol

Boba and Lando look about the same height...

I'm just wondering what is right...cause the height of Vader seems about right compared to the ANH pics...this ESB pics makes him look shorter

:huh

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 07:55 PM
Boba and Lando look about the same height...

I'm just wondering what is right...cause the height of Vader seems about right compared to the ANH pics...this ESB pics makes him look shorter

:huh

I think Bulloch must have been taller than Stormtrooper actors or they took measures to give him some height beacuse they thought he shouldn't look less imposing next to Vader. I'd say he's got a good 6" on the Stormtrooper here.

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/The_Empire_Strikes_Back/darthva1.jpg

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/The_Empire_Strikes_Back/vader02.jpg

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/The_Empire_Strikes_Back/Vader_BobaFett_ESB.jpg

And without question, the Sideshow Darth Vader figure in relation to Sideshow's entire Star Wars line is taller than Prowse as Vader to respective characters, by about 1/4-1/2 inch.

minivader
06-17-2009, 07:56 PM
Boba and Lando look about the same height...

I'm just wondering what is right...cause the height of Vader seems about right compared to the ANH pics...this ESB pics makes him look shorter

:huh

I know, I was j/k

I used to have this japanese laserdisc magazine (remember laserdisc?) decades ago that had a pioneer ad in it that has george lucas standing with the star wars gang (mostly empire people, no rebels) all line up in a line, kinda like a police line up. wish I still had that picture because it would probably solve all these how tall is so and so to who and what not. :lol

EVILFACE
06-17-2009, 08:11 PM
Hey Maulfan,
How does the medicom Boba Fett stand in size to Sideshow Darth Vader
Any pics?

Perry

:confused: :confused: :confused: :monkey1

Mortar Conn
06-17-2009, 09:28 PM
MaulFan: I don't suppose you have a Marmit Fett?

It would be interesting to see a comparison shot of the him with Vader since Marmits are more or less in scale with Sideshow SW.

MaulFan
06-17-2009, 09:44 PM
Sorry, no Marmits, only Sideshow, Medicom and Hasbro.

Studio49
06-17-2009, 09:55 PM
Can you pose him with a Red Stripe beer bottle, a roma tomato and a vintage Tiffany lamp? Please? :lol

IrishJedi
06-17-2009, 11:07 PM
Actually, to help it look more ANH, fingerprints and skin oil help dull up the dome :lol

Good to know! :rock

Customikey
06-17-2009, 11:09 PM
I've got a Marmit Fett on a Dragon body. I'll be sure to take pics when my Vader gets in. By the way, the marmit Fett is for sale if anyone wants him.

DinoLast
06-18-2009, 02:15 AM
Jeremy Bullock was about 5'10 in ESB
This website is all about celeb heights. I guess they made it, as most actors claim to be about 2" taller than they are.
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Jeremy-Bulloch-319.html
He only looks about an inch taller than the 5'8" guy but you do shrink with age

Valfar
06-18-2009, 02:19 AM
You know, height matters from figure to figure but, having more accuracy to the on screen look means so much more to me as thats what makes me keep a figure in my collection longer..no matter what scale of collectible.

automaton
06-18-2009, 02:58 AM
love that photo from ESB of Vader and Fett... I hope SST takes note of Fett's chest armor... unlike Medicom's, it is one piece.

Valfar
06-18-2009, 03:08 AM
love that photo from ESB of Vader and Fett... I hope SST takes note of Fett's chest armor... unlike Medicom's, it is one piece.

Thats hard to say, looks to me that in ROTJ Boba had divided chest armor pieces and in that one pic you mentioned from ESB it looks one piece but, in the pic below it looks separate again.

http://www.bobafett1.com/images_pictures_photos_pics/boba_fett_12.jpg

DinoLast
06-18-2009, 03:28 AM
Armor
Chest & Stomach w/Lights
Neck & Back
Shoulder Bells
Cod & Kidney
Wrist Gauntlets
Knee Guards w/Rocket Dart Launchers
Case closed back to Vader
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/58/BobaFettMain2.jpg/250px-BobaFettMain2.jpg

Venomous venom
06-18-2009, 03:50 AM
will marmit's boba be fine by comparison to SS vader??

lkhoe
06-18-2009, 04:06 AM
Gotta say... IMO the helmet is just lame.

Here's why IMO:
1) Too small dome
2) Too long neck
3) Too short helmet (nowhere near the shoulders!)
4) Too small gap at the "ears"
5) Too small head in proportion to d body. Isn't his helmet always bigger than normal??

All in all, just too damn disappointing. Say all u want about film / design accuracy.... just doesn't look right. I'd wait out for another version of this guy, just like luke... hopefully they fix the helmet!!

abake
06-18-2009, 08:08 AM
Helmet's not a deal-breaker for me.
I wish it was larger, but if it really does bother me in-hand, I'll see if Glenn is willing to make custom helmets.

FlyAndFight
06-18-2009, 08:39 AM
Can you pose him with a Red Stripe beer bottle, a roma tomato and a vintage Tiffany lamp? Please? :lol

:lecture:lecture:mwaha

IrishJedi
06-18-2009, 08:44 AM
Helmet's not a deal-breaker for me.
I wish it was larger, but if it really does bother me in-hand, I'll see if Glenn is willing to make custom helmets.

He is. Said he's starting the moment he gets a Sideshow Vader. :rock :rock :rock

Karaduin
06-18-2009, 08:47 AM
Can you pose him with a Red Stripe beer bottle, a roma tomato and a vintage Tiffany lamp? Please? :lol

Now THATS what I'm talking about! :duh

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 08:47 AM
Jeremy Bullock was about 5'10 in ESB
This website is all about celeb heights. I guess they made it, as most actors claim to be about 2" taller than they are.
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Jeremy-Bulloch-319.html
He only looks about an inch taller than the 5'8" guy but you do shrink with age

Didn't 2 different actors play Fett in ESB? I think that the Carbonite scenes weren't Bulloch, but the actor that played Dack, who was shorter than Bulloch.

Valfar
06-18-2009, 08:53 AM
Didn't 2 different actors play Fett in ESB? I think that the Carbonite scenes weren't Bulloch, but the actor that played Dack, who was shorter than Bulloch.

And that right there might answer the question as to why possibly there is two ESB Boba suits with one having a solid one piece chest plate and the other separate plates.

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 08:54 AM
And that right there might answer the question as to why possibly there is two ESB Boba suits with one having a solid one piece chest plate and the other separate plates.

That's possible. I found it, John Morton, who did play Dak, also played Boba for some scenes on Bespin.

wookster
06-18-2009, 09:02 AM
Didn't 2 different actors play Fett in ESB? I think that the Carbonite scenes weren't Bulloch, but the actor that played Dack, who was shorter than Bulloch.

Yep, and Bulloch is vissible as an Imperial officer, the one holding Leia, so he couldn't be in two places at once!

Kuzeh
06-18-2009, 09:28 AM
is that finger prints and smears on the vader helmet? I was just reading a post about bandai's new SOC mazinger, and it comes with a pair of glove (or you pay for it, I don't know, but its cool they have that) for the collector to use so the figure can stay finger print/smear free.


I was just thinking the same!!
I got a Max Gokin Mazinkaiser that comes with those kind of gloves,
but they are kid size... :rotfl:rotfl


Anyway,
lets get this thread back in track people!!!
Enough of this Fett bickering!! It's pointless!!!

http://www.mwilliams.info/images/needa2.jpg

Fia2k9
06-18-2009, 09:36 AM
this anticipation is killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want my Vaaaadeeerrrr!


:banghead:banghead:banghead:banghead

cerealkeller
06-18-2009, 09:46 AM
this anticipation is killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want my Vaaaadeeerrrr!


:banghead:banghead:banghead:banghead

:lecture QFT This is an agonizing wait, and now that the "18 day" notice came out, time seems to have slowed :lol Right now, I'm going back and forth on getting another Stormtrooper to flank Vader or getting my first Utapau trooper.

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 10:02 AM
Gentlemen, the wait is torture!!! It's like when Homer Simpson applied for a gun license and had to wait for 5 days????? "Five Days????? I'm mad now!!!!" Best Simspon line ever! "

I'm just listening to Tom Petty's "Waiting is the Hardest Part"

cerealkeller
06-18-2009, 10:06 AM
Gentlemen, the wait is torture!!! It's like when Homer Simpson applied for a gun license and had to wait for 5 days????? "Five Days????? I'm mad now!!!!" Best Simspon line ever! "

I'm just listening to Tom Petty's "Waiting is the Hardest Part"

:lol:lol:lol I LOVE that episode! Especially the part with him sitting in the lawn chair seeing targets he could be shooting at (Patty and Selma, Flanders on his lawnmower). It feels a lot like that.

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 10:26 AM
:lol:lol:lol I LOVE that episode! Especially the part with him sitting in the lawn chair seeing targets he could be shooting at (Patty and Selma, Flanders on his lawnmower). It feels a lot like that.

That was such a great episode! So many funny one-liners..."oh, I see Bart gets to have a gun!" "I'll hide the gun where nobody ever looks...in the crisper" :lol:lol

FQRizzo
06-18-2009, 10:26 AM
:lol:lol:lol I LOVE that episode! Especially the part with him sitting in the lawn chair seeing targets he could be shooting at (Patty and Selma, Flanders on his lawnmower). It feels a lot like that.

You forgot the ducks and the Target truck. :lol

Darth_Finger
06-18-2009, 10:40 AM
Look at him in his wee little boots :lol

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/DVBF1.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/DVBF2.jpg

Dang, SS Vader just towers over the Medicom Fett

galactiboy
06-18-2009, 11:13 AM
Although honestly its not as big of a difference as I was expecting...

Valfar
06-18-2009, 11:15 AM
I know this is the SS Vader pic thread..just going to post a couple Vader related pics of stuff i have.

http://i42.tinypic.com/j8d2qs.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2a6qdcj.jpg

galactiboy
06-18-2009, 11:18 AM
Most unimpressive... :lol

pixletwin
06-18-2009, 11:20 AM
Most unimpressive... :lol

:lecture :lecture :lecture

joda76
06-18-2009, 11:22 AM
:lecture :lecture :lecture

ha
I used to collect Koto but got bored with em

Valfar
06-18-2009, 11:24 AM
ha
I used to collect Koto but got bored with em

Same here, all their new ones never appealed to me.

Ambrosoli
06-18-2009, 11:30 AM
Chill out people! I know this Vader es great.. and TALL, jaja, but lets be honest... The Medi Vader still blows out this figure. The details, sculpt and tailoring is MUCH BETTER than the one from Sideshow (at least from the pics I saw here)

I really want, and I hope Sideshow do it, is an ESB Vader. The only good thing I see is the scale. Taller, but not better IMO on other areas.

I will attach to my Medi ROTS Vader for now... but when Sideshow takes on ESB Vader, I will be there.

But I must say that it is a pretty damm looking figure. But not THAT GREAT. =)

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 11:31 AM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/DSC05456.jpg

"What is thy bidding, my Master?"
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/ANAKINS.jpg

Valfar
06-18-2009, 11:33 AM
Chill out people! I know this Vader es great.. and TALL, jaja, but lets be honest... The Medi Vader still blows out this figure. The details, sculpt and tailoring is MUCH BETTER than the one from Sideshow (at least from the pics I saw here)

I really want, and I hope Sideshow do it, is an ESB Vader. The only good thing I see is the scale. Taller, but not better IMO on other areas.

I will attach to my Medi ROTS Vader for now... but when Sideshow takes on ESB Vader, I will be there.

But I must say that it is a pretty damm looking figure. But not THAT GREAT. =)

Ok..i am waiting to see who is going to grill this guy now. :lol

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 11:37 AM
All that matters is that those unhappy with previous Vader offerings or just riding out the wait for an SSC Vader are happy, if people think other's are better, whatever, it's about having a Vader you can be happy with.

LOPIE
06-18-2009, 11:41 AM
All that matters is that those unhappy with previous Vader offerings or just riding out the wait for an SSC Vader are happy, if people think other's are better, whatever, it's about having a Vader you can be happy with.

Well said. :D

minivader
06-18-2009, 11:42 AM
off the topic a bit but I just wanted to know what is the difference between ANH and ESB vader? I mean, is there really that big of a difference that ssc would make a ESB version?

thenammagazine
06-18-2009, 11:43 AM
Ok..i am waiting to see who is going to grill this guy now. :lol

There's a reason doctors subscribe pot for people who suffer from glaucoma. ;)

jkno
06-18-2009, 11:43 AM
ha
I used to collect Koto but got bored with em

I have all Kotobukiya OT Imperial armored troopers and for example the Scout and Snowtrooper are some of the best statues made. Not to talk about Fett, McQuarrie Vader or Droids set which are great. People say a lot of bad things about Kotos because they are PVC...

FQRizzo
06-18-2009, 11:44 AM
Chill out people! I know this Vader es great.. and TALL, jaja, but lets be honest... The Medi Vader still blows out this figure. The details, sculpt and tailoring is MUCH BETTER than the one from Sideshow (at least from the pics I saw here)

I really want, and I hope Sideshow do it, is an ESB Vader. The only good thing I see is the scale. Taller, but not better IMO on other areas.

I will attach to my Medi ROTS Vader for now... but when Sideshow takes on ESB Vader, I will be there.

But I must say that it is a pretty damm looking figure. But not THAT GREAT. =)


Ok..i am waiting to see who is going to grill this guy now. :lol

No grilling, we reserve that for you Valfar. :cool:

I do want to see a picture of him attaching this to his ROTS Vader. :lol

joda76
06-18-2009, 11:54 AM
I have all Kotobukiya OT Imperial armored troopers and for example the Scout and Snowtrooper are some of the best statues made. Not to talk about Fett, McQuarrie Vader or Droids set which are great. People say a lot of bad things about Kotos because they are PVC...

I think for me it comes down to posing them. I think the Koto Snow and Scout look awesome as do the Clones.

Anzik
06-18-2009, 11:59 AM
You can compare PHOTOS of Medi and PHOTOS of SSC, but only Maulfan can compare figure to figure.

At least for now.

Darthgothikus
06-18-2009, 12:01 PM
Hi

Everyone was getting all jazzed a couple of days ago about receiving 18/20 day notices. I've not got mine :( but I didn't expect it yet being in the UK.

Question is, how long (usually) after shipping US orders do the overseas ones take? I'd have thought they would send stock out to the European Warehouse so they could deliver all orders together. Maybe that's just wishful thinking!

I normally wait and pick up Sideshow figures from a UK retailer when they eventually turn up a couple of months after direct orders go out, but I want the exclusive on this one and I'm generally an impatient bunny! :anya2 So direct order it is this time, hang the expense.

Any views welcome!

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 12:07 PM
Amid all the comparisons I thought I would post these, just for grins and giggles.


http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS4-1.jpghttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS3.jpghttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS2.jpg

wookieecrisp
06-18-2009, 12:20 PM
:lol:lol:lol Nice job Darthrazz.

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 12:46 PM
off the topic a bit but I just wanted to know what is the difference between ANH and ESB vader? I mean, is there really that big of a difference that ssc would make a ESB version?

ESB/ROTJ is different enough to warrant at least another Vader. They're not the exact same either, so you could do all 3 OT Vader's, but if only one other besides ANH is going to be done, I'd like it to be ROTJ with reveal.

Fia2k9
06-18-2009, 12:59 PM
Amid all the comparisons I thought I would post these, just for grins and giggles.


http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS4-1.jpghttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS3.jpghttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS2.jpg

is this your actual collection, and if so are you gonna mass produce any of the domes if they fit ssc vader better.

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 01:09 PM
is this your actual collection, and if so are you gonna mass produce any of the domes if they fit ssc vader better.

They were mine at one point , I had all of these when I was making my own custom Vader. I've since sold most of them. All I have left are the ERTL and Hasbro Dome, I'll hold on to them till I get my Sideshow Vader. I really have no way of producing them, but if any knows how, I'll gladly lend the Domes out.

Valfar
06-18-2009, 01:16 PM
I would say, the Ertl dome is closest in the pics to ANH style dome.

sewbacca
06-18-2009, 01:16 PM
Gotta say... IMO the helmet is just lame.

Here's why IMO:
1) Too small dome
2) Too long neck
3) Too short helmet (nowhere near the shoulders!)
4) Too small gap at the "ears"
5) Too small head in proportion to d body. Isn't his helmet always bigger than normal??

All in all, just too damn disappointing. Say all u want about film / design accuracy.... just doesn't look right. I'd wait out for another version of this guy, just like luke... hopefully they fix the helmet!!

I probably will get Vader sometime down the road but I agree with the helmet issues, other than that it looks deadly. But, in any case the helmet really makes the costume and I think it throws this one off.


Look at him in his wee little boots :lol

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/DVBF1.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/DVBF2.jpg

Size comparison is crazy showing the height of Vader. Most impressive! But, that helmet again:confused:

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 01:18 PM
I would say, the Ertl dome is closest in the pics to ANH style dome.

It is, and it has the peak which is nice also.

Brinn 71
06-18-2009, 01:28 PM
Hey MaulFan, any chance of getting a pic of the cape chain, or did I miss it??

THANKS!

Brent72
06-18-2009, 01:40 PM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS2.jpg

Now that's a good looking Vader dome. :cool:

IrishJedi
06-18-2009, 01:59 PM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS4-1.jpg

ERTL Vader dome FTW! And they made that, what... 30 years ago?

Kuzeh
06-18-2009, 02:02 PM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/HEADS4-1.jpg

ERTL Vader dome FTW! And they made that, what... 30 years ago?

S^^t...
I have one of those kits at my parents house...

In Mexico!!!:horror
I'll have to get it, next time I visit...:banghead

abake
06-18-2009, 02:06 PM
Maybe it's the fact that it is white, but that ERTL dome looks weird...

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 02:08 PM
Maybe it's the fact that it is white, but that ERTL dome looks weird...

I think the top part looks too skinny compared to the flared part.

Ambrosoli
06-18-2009, 02:17 PM
No grilling, we reserve that for you Valfar. :cool:

I do want to see a picture of him attaching this to his ROTS Vader. :lol

Jajaja... waiit. I´m telling you that the Sideshow Vader is a really good figure, but most of all, is in scale with the other's figures and that´s gives more points. Buuut in overall, is far for being the ultimate Vader and If I compare 1 on 1 with the Medicom figure (Classic or prequel), IMO, the medi kick his ass. Size matters not ;)
But until I see the Sideshow figure IN HAND I will keep saying this.. and I will not enter in endless debate about it! I think more than 100 pages are enought XDDD


aaa, before I forget it.. I you have to improve important parts (like a dome, jeje) in a figure that cost more than $100 I think we have a problem.

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 02:21 PM
aaa, before I forget it.. I you have to improve important parts (like a dome, jeje) in a figure that cost more than $100 I think we have a problem.

I would say the same about the Medicom Vaders.

shockwave
06-18-2009, 02:23 PM
Yep Sideshow still has an ESB, ROTJ and ROTS to make. I could see them taking notes and changing things around for future releases.

But honestly, figure looks awesome... and its only in a few shots that the helmet looks off to me. Overall I'm very pleased with what Sideshow has been able to do and hoping this and some of the recent figures are a sign of good things to come.

Well maybe next year SS will release another Vader. 2010-30th anniv of TESB..:woo.

Just a guess....:naughty

Valfar
06-18-2009, 02:25 PM
These are a couple pics of that Ertl dome painted up.

http://www.tnthobbies.co.uk/DarthVaderAMTVinylConversion.jpg
http://www.theclubhouse1.net/photo/albums/userpics/10001/sw15.jpg

JustinLuck
06-18-2009, 02:33 PM
For me, the helmet's size and proportions are off enough to be disappointing after four years of waiting. Looking for the ultimate 1/6 Vader to display is what led me to Sideshow's product line in the first place, back in 2005.

I think it would be fair if Sideshow admitted they messed up and offered the helmet/mask shown at SDCC as a separate piece. Again, why mess up your flagship product when you had it right the first time?

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 02:37 PM
I think it would be fair if Sideshow admitted they messed up and offered the helmet/mask shown at SDCC as a separate piece. Again, why mess up your flagship product when you had it right the first time?

That's assuming they messed up. The final helmet is so different from the SDCC helmet, it's as much likely LFL said change it as a screw up, and if LFL said change, Sideshow cannot give us anything other than what LFL greenlights, no matter how much they may not like it or know how wrong it really looks, they are slaves to it, I'm sure it sucked for Andy and Sideshow to be told to change a great Mace Windu sculpt, but what the great LFL says must be.

IrishJedi
06-18-2009, 03:00 PM
These are a couple pics of that Ertl dome painted up.

http://www.tnthobbies.co.uk/DarthVaderAMTVinylConversion.jpg
http://www.theclubhouse1.net/photo/albums/userpics/10001/sw15.jpg

I am SO getting one. Much, much, much better and more accurate ANH Vader dome than what we're getting from Sideshow. And shouldn't be too hard to paint, either.

Is it really to scale, though?

Valfar
06-18-2009, 03:06 PM
Well seeing it in the pic next to the Hasbro version, it must be close to scale since the Hasbro dome was huge.

IrishJedi
06-18-2009, 03:08 PM
You're probably right. Will be worth a shot anyway.

If it works out it might be what's needed to make the figure a real home run.

Valfar
06-18-2009, 03:15 PM
You're probably right. Will be worth a shot anyway.

If it works out it might be what's needed to make the figure a real home run.

Well, i am sure the Vader we would need for that dome is in the link i posted below but, don't get that one mixed up with the older kit as the old one sucks, i think in the pic i posted of this kit, the owner added a custom cape to give it the look from ESB in cloud city just before Luke jumps.

http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-WARS-12-DARTH-VADER-AMT-ERTL-MODEL-KIT-1995_W0QQitemZ140261809004QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item20a8415b6c&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 03:17 PM
I'll take pictures of it tonight from more angles and on my screamin Vader mask.

Brent72
06-18-2009, 04:10 PM
It's been stated frequently here how LFL might be to blame for making SS change the shape of the dome. What I want to know is why they would request that be done for this Vader while past offerings from Koto, Medicom, ERTL and even the Sideshow PF have all had much better looking and more accurate helmets.

automaton
06-18-2009, 04:36 PM
it has been "stated", but it is absolute hearsay.

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 05:08 PM
It's been stated frequently here how LFL might be to blame for making SS change the shape of the dome. What I want to know is why they would request that be done for this Vader while past offerings from Koto, Medicom, ERTL and even the Sideshow PF have all had much better looking and more accurate helmets.

Hard to say why. Why does LFL sign off on some really piss poor looking portraits for Diamond Select's UQS products but a great Sideshow portrait has to be changed to have Mace Windu's essence.

We know for fact that LFL had Sideshow tweak the Mace Windu sculpt, straight from the sculptor, and we've heard other things, not as conclusive, about them.

We just assume when Sideshow initially shows us one thing and it's significantly redone in production, odds are someone dictated it to be done.

The dome was practically perfect on the prototype, and the things that are different between the production and prototype are so significant, I really have to believe there was a deliberate change, not some mishap. So assuming that, I can't imagine why anyone at Sideshow would think let's change the helmet when it was perfect, the only reason I can think of would be if somehow it were easier to cast in production, not knowing anything about casting, that doesn't make much sense, but maybe. So, for me, all signs point to a deliberate action was taken to change the helmet and most likely it was at the request of LFL.

IrishJedi
06-18-2009, 05:25 PM
It's just as possible, though, that something got goofed during production somehow.

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 05:32 PM
It's just as possible, though, that something got goofed during production somehow.

I can't imagine though, i would think they'd take a mold of the helmet and make castings of it, the difference is quite significant.

Lee in MI
06-18-2009, 06:00 PM
I can't imagine though, i would think they'd take a mold of the helmet and make castings of it, the difference is quite significant.

Its quite possible that the casting was goofed...afterall, that's what happened to Jedi Luke and the first Han. The shrink factor was miscalculated and we got ginormous heads. This has also been confirmed by SSC.

Maybe this happened here and the helmet was cast and it shrunk too much as opposed to too little.

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 06:03 PM
Maybe this happened here and the helmet was cast and it shrunk too much as opposed to too little.

Thing is though, the main point I'm trying to make is looking at the SDCC helmet and looking at the figure, it's not shrinking, if it were that, I'd be more open to a mishap, the entire shape of the flare part of the dome piece has been changed. On the SDCC dome, the flare angled downward as it curves around from front to back, on the production dome, it takes a perfect horizontal path from front to back, it's like almost a 1/4 at the back was trimmed away, which is why I lean towards someone directing a change to be made. I don't think anything's shrunk at all on this, but the significance of the trimmed away section is what's making the odd look.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/SDCC.jpg

The red lines are where the edge of the production helmet run, notice how much is there below those marks on the SDCC helmet, between prototype and production, all that was lost, and I really can't imagine a production error causing that, but more intent, and I lean towards LFL giving the directive.

Lee in MI
06-18-2009, 06:29 PM
Well you can attest to it more than I cause i don't have the fig yet

Sachiel
06-18-2009, 06:40 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sithlord116/protovsprod.jpg

Looks like the top of the dome was heightened a bit, too.

Valfar
06-18-2009, 06:53 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sithlord116/protovsprod.jpg

Looks like the top of the dome was heightened a bit, too.

I like the new dome better then the proto one, simply for that reason..the top is wider and less rounded from the front profile..all the production dome needs is a widows peak and longer all the way around and has to sit deeper on the mask.

I have to say though, the finnish on the mask is the best yet on anything Darth Vader i have seen..except 1:1 scale props.

The Chaver
06-18-2009, 07:14 PM
Hard to say why. Why does LFL sign off on some really piss poor looking portraits for Diamond Select's UQS products but a great Sideshow portrait has to be changed to have Mace Windu's essence.

We know for fact that LFL had Sideshow tweak the Mace Windu sculpt, straight from the sculptor, and we've heard other things, not as conclusive, about them.

We just assume when Sideshow initially shows us one thing and it's significantly redone in production, odds are someone dictated it to be done.

The dome was practically perfect on the prototype, and the things that are different between the production and prototype are so significant, I really have to believe there was a deliberate change, not some mishap. So assuming that, I can't imagine why anyone at Sideshow would think let's change the helmet when it was perfect, the only reason I can think of would be if somehow it were easier to cast in production, not knowing anything about casting, that doesn't make much sense, but maybe. So, for me, all signs point to a deliberate action was taken to change the helmet and most likely it was at the request of LFL.

Excuse me for being so direct but...

It's a marketing strategy.

Wether it's SS or LFL or both in conjuction we'll most likely never know.

Brent72
06-18-2009, 07:17 PM
Excuse me for being so direct but...

It's a marketing strategy.

Wether it's SS or LFL or both in conjuction we'll most likely never know.

It's a "marketing strategy" to take a nearly perfect looking prototype helmet and alter it significantly for the worse? Can you please explain that logic? :confused:

Valfar
06-18-2009, 07:21 PM
It's a "marketing strategy" to take a nearly perfect looking prototype helmet and alter it significantly for the worse? Can you please explain that logic? :confused:

Its hardly perfect..the top on the proto is too small and round..the only thing looking right was the amount of flare all around the dome but even then, no widows peak, way too shiny, overall look seems to fit ESB...but, like i said..no company that has done 1:6th Vader at this point has anything on the helmet SS made here..the finnish on the lenses and the gunmetal colour on the mask..looks the best so far..and kudos for atleast having the bottom grill the right size.

The Chaver
06-18-2009, 07:24 PM
It's a "marketing strategy" to take a nearly perfect looking prototype helmet and alter it significantly for the worse? Can you please explain that logic? :confused:

I explained it some pages back, but here it is again. -So that there will be more a reason for people to buy the next Vader incarnation-

SS WILL make three or four Vader's, their not going to make the first one perfect, because then people won't buy the next three.

Valfar
06-18-2009, 07:29 PM
I explained it some pages back, but here it is again. -So that there will be more a reason for people to buy the next Vader incarnation-

SS WILL make three or four Vader's, their not going to make the first one perfect cause then people won't buy the next three.

I can see that but, only for when the licence gets handed to another company later on down the road..and its all LFL doing..i mean hell, it took Hasbro forever to give us a proper C-3p0 sculpt with bendable knees and same with Vader..i think even if this SS Vader was pretty screen accurate..still would not prevent any of the fans from picking up the other versions because really..making them look screen accurate will bring out the differences from each release..as i said, this one leans a bit to ESB look..as i am thinking the dome will be re-used for ESB version.

Medicom cheaped out on their fans and just gave the ROTS vader the ROTJ helmet in black..guess making a whole new mold would had cost too much.

IrishJedi
06-18-2009, 07:30 PM
Meh. I don't go for conspiracy theories. What happened is either A) Sideshow 'Effed up, or B) Lucasfilm are twats. Neither would be a first.

Brent72
06-18-2009, 07:37 PM
Meh. I don't go for conspiracy theories. What happened is either A) Sideshow 'Effed up, or B) Lucasfilm are twats. Neither would be a first.

Totally agree, Irish. :cool:

The Chaver
06-18-2009, 07:42 PM
I can see that but, only for when the licence gets handed to another company later on down the road..and its all LFL doing..

It's for short term and long term. LFL may have this in the contracted license agreement. And it benefits both LFL and the companies that use the license.

automaton
06-18-2009, 07:44 PM
it runs in the family with these Skywalkers... first Luke's farm boy clothing, and now this... money is usually the root... it was simply cheaper somehow to give one this, than that.

Valfar
06-18-2009, 07:47 PM
it runs in the family with these Skywalkers... first Luke's farm boy clothing, and now this... money is usually the root... it was simply cheaper somehow to give one this, than that.

Thats a good point.

The Chaver
06-18-2009, 07:51 PM
Meh. I don't go for conspiracy theories. What happened is either A) Sideshow 'Effed up, or B) Lucasfilm are twats. Neither would be a first.

We're not talking about JFK or the ^^^^ing Loch Ness Monster.:lol

But we're are talking about money hungry companies that want to make the most profit possible. It's no conspiracy theory, it's fact, that's the way companies do business.

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 07:54 PM
It's an interesting theory, but I'll argue it with this logic.

If they show us a helmet everyone loves at SDCC and then give us a lesser one in production, how does that help sales of the next one.

I'll tell ya right now, when the next Vader is previewed, if everyone likes the dome, first thing everyone will be posting will be yeah, but remember what happened to the ANH dome.

This incident will make people afraid that if the like the proto, it's not what they're going to get when their figure shows up.

There is no logic to SSC doing this on purpose, if it's because of Sideshow, it was a mistake or some production necessity but not a marketing stategy, and if it's LFL they just suck balls.

EVILFACE
06-18-2009, 07:55 PM
it runs in the family with these Skywalkers... first Luke's farm boy clothing, and now this... money is usually the root... it was simply cheaper somehow to give one this, than that.

Changing clothing material is a possible money saver, but sculpting a new helmet and creating a new mold isn't cheap. They were told to change it.

RICEaRONI
06-18-2009, 07:58 PM
Changing clothing material is a possible money saver, but sculpting a new helmet and creating a new mold isn't cheap. They were told to change it.

agree with that statement more than any others. nobody would go "man they really love'd the dome at SDCC, let f^ck with em hahahaahaha"


... i hope

Valfar
06-18-2009, 08:01 PM
All i have to say is, the SS Stormtrooper is way off the ones we see in the movie..so, this Vader even though with its flaws, its leaps and bounds closer to what we see on screen, SS's version of a Stormtrooper is more of a let down to me then this Vader..and it boggles my mind that SS pumped out a awesome clone trooper,that looks damn close to the movie ones, right after the Stormie.

Though come to think of it, LFL may not had been able to grant the accurate designs to SS for the Stormie due to copyrights and all that crap they got into with Andrew Ainsworth.

Natrix
06-18-2009, 08:06 PM
I explained it some pages back, but here it is again. -So that there will be more a reason for people to buy the next Vader incarnation-

SS WILL make three or four Vader's, their not going to make the first one perfect, because then people won't buy the next three.

SS has already stated that they are doing the other versions of Vader so why F' up the ANH version? That argument makes no sense, Vaders will sell regardless.

OSCORP
06-18-2009, 08:16 PM
Strong nerdism's in this thread.

thenammagazine
06-18-2009, 08:18 PM
Its quite possible that the casting was goofed...afterall, that's what happened to Jedi Luke and the first Han. The shrink factor was miscalculated and we got ginormous heads. This has also been confirmed by SSC.

Maybe this happened here and the helmet was cast and it shrunk too much as opposed to too little.

I think the whole idea of "casting shrinkage" can be debunked. If the helmet shrunk THAT much, you wouldn't be able to put it on Vader's head. The bowl portion would have shrunk just as much as the rim. Personally, I think it's an LFL thing. More often then not, they've been having several WTF changes, from this to the brass nipples on Indy's stormflaps. :lol

JustinLuck
06-18-2009, 08:20 PM
Its hardly perfect..the top on the proto is too small and round..the only thing looking right was the amount of flare all around the dome but even then, no widows peak, way too shiny, overall look seems to fit ESB...but, like i said..no company that has done 1:6th Vader at this point has anything on the helmet SS made here..the finnish on the lenses and the gunmetal colour on the mask..looks the best so far..and kudos for atleast having the bottom grill the right size.

Marmit's wasn't released, but I still think it is the closest of all the incarnations. At least, it is the most aesthetically pleasing to my eyes as a representation of ANH Vader IMHO. I wish someone could just buy Marmit's molds and release it, even unpainted as a model kit.

http://www1.odn.ne.jp/~cdt96010/marmit-vader2.jpg

http://www1.odn.ne.jp/~cdt96010/marmit-vader.htm

Valfar
06-18-2009, 08:25 PM
Marmit's wasn't released, but I still think it is the closest of all the incarnations. At least, it is the most aesthetically pleasing to my eyes as a representation of ANH Vader IMHO. I wish someone could just buy Marmit's molds and release it, even unpainted as a model kit.

http://www1.odn.ne.jp/~cdt96010/marmit-vader2.jpg

http://www1.odn.ne.jp/~cdt96010/marmit-vader.htm

Yea, i posted that pic aways back in the thread..and i agree thats a nice one but, it never hit the market ever..the helmet on that Marmit is great but, from the neck down it looks worse then Medicom..though sure its a prototype..SS has got the look better from the neck down, just not sure if his suit should be matte black or a more shiny colour like the medicom...ahh hell each release has its flaws, one way or another but, we are getting a tall imposing one this time, atleast.

JustinLuck
06-18-2009, 08:27 PM
I agree the suit isn't as impressive as it could be, but I'd do anything to buy that mask and helmet. I especially like the sharp widow's peak and the considerable size of the head compared to the body.

Darklord Dave
06-18-2009, 08:27 PM
I can't imagine though, i would think they'd take a mold of the helmet and make castings of it, the difference is quite significant.

Crazy things can go on in a factory in China. Maybe there's a factory worker who's an ESB fan and just changes the helmet on their own thinking they're "correcting" it.

It could happen...

Darklord Dave
06-18-2009, 08:28 PM
I agree the suit isn't as impressive as it could be, but I'd do anything to buy that mask and helmet. I especially like the sharp widow's peak and the considerable size of the head compared to the body.

That Marmit helmet looks completely wrong to me - too long in the face and the dome.

JustinLuck
06-18-2009, 08:48 PM
I agree Dave that the Marmit is not perfect. But to my eyes, it looks better than Sideshow's mask/helmet proportions in relation to the rest of the body.

I also do not see the look of ESB in Sideshow's helmet either.


Here he is.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/S1.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2eyff6e.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/vrd2dd.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2qklaxe.jpg

pixletwin
06-18-2009, 08:53 PM
Those are terrible reference pics because they are a totally different angle than MaulFan's pic.

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 08:53 PM
As promised, here are more pictures of the ERTL dome. They aren't the best pics, but you can get an idea. I had to hold the dome down on the Screamin Vader mask, whereas the Hasbro dome fits good on it, I don't know if it'll fit the Sideshow Vader. The inside of the ERTL dome hs some grooves so that it fits the ERTL mask. Overall I don't think it's too accurate and I don't think it's the same dome we see on the previous picture that was posted of the painted model. It's made of hard vinyl.Anyway here goes. The White dome is ERTL , the Black is Hasbro.http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/IMG_0293.jpghttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/IMG_0295.jpghttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/IMG_0296.jpghttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/IMG_0297.jpghttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/IMG_0298.jpghttp://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/IMG_0299.jpg

JustinLuck
06-18-2009, 08:56 PM
Those are terrible reference pics because they are a totally different angle than MaulFan's pic.

Pix, you can see in the first one that the camera is aimed at him pretty much straight on and his helmet still appears to almost reach down to his shoulders. You can also tell in all the pics, no matter the perspective, the overall size of the helmet compared to the body and shoulder width.

abake
06-18-2009, 08:56 PM
I also love the overall look of the Marmit prototype, it just feels right: the size of the helmet, the way it flares, the "drooping" shoulders... to me it looks the most like ANH Vader, despite some inaccuracies.
But I'm giddy with excitement about getting SST's version, it just looks so damn cool!

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 08:56 PM
Those are terrible reference pics because they are a totally different angle than MaulFan's pic.

True enough, but like I've said before in here when people argue that it's an ESB / ROTJ / ROTS dome, the off aspects of the SSC dome don't put it in line with other films, they're off for Vader period and would look wrong for any film.

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 08:58 PM
You can also tell in all the pics, no matter the perspective, the overall size of the helmet compared to the body and shoulder width.

Don't judge the helmet by relation to the body. Vader's body is larger scale than Prowse in 1/6. The only way to not look goofy and change how the helmet sizes up to the body would be to shrink the body. The mask and neck piece of the helmet are perfect 1/6, if you enlarge that it'll look like a charicature.

JustinLuck
06-18-2009, 09:01 PM
Hey guys, I would love to purchase a Hasbro helmet and screamin mask. But it appears that the Hasbro Vader goes for $100 on ebay. Am I searching wrong or is that about right? To clarify are all the Hasbro helmets the same or is it from the Ultimate Villain one? I would give money to anyone who can make quality casts.

pixletwin
06-18-2009, 09:02 PM
Ill sell you my Hasbro Vader for $85. :monkey3

JustinLuck
06-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Don't judge the helmet by relation to the body. Vader's body is larger scale than Prowse in 1/6. The only way to not look goofy and change how the helmet sizes up to the body would be to shrink the body. The mask and neck piece of the helmet are perfect 1/6, if you enlarge that it'll look like a charicature.

So it sounds like Sideshow got a little too gung-ho on making Vader tall and massive.


Ill sell you my Hasbro Vader for $85. :monkey3

Whoever thought Hasbro's figures would once again appreciate in value? :lol

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 09:05 PM
Hey guys, I would love to purchase a Hasbro helmet and screamin mask. But it appears that the Hasbro Vader goes for $100 on ebay. Am I searching wrong or is that about right? To clarify are all the Hasbro helmets the same or is it from the Ultimate Villain one? I would give money to anyone who can make quality casts.

14" Talking Darth Vader, Darth Maul / Darth Vader 2pack and ROTS Ultimate Villain are all the same Vader helmet.

Darthrazz
06-18-2009, 09:05 PM
Hey guys, I would love to purchase a Hasbro helmet and screamin mask. But it appears that the Hasbro Vader goes for $100 on ebay. Am I searching wrong or is that about right? To clarify are all the Hasbro helmets the same or is it from the Ultimate Villain one? I would give money to anyone who can make quality casts.

Justin, it's the Talking Vader, Ultimate Villain vader and Vader maul two pack . They all had the same domes.

pixletwin
06-18-2009, 09:07 PM
Justin, it's the Talking Vader, Ultimate Villain vader and Vader maul two pack . They all had the same domes.

:lecture

Also the one on a lot of hurricane's Vaders.

The Chaver
06-18-2009, 09:10 PM
SS has already stated that they are doing the other versions of Vader so why F' up the ANH version? That argument makes no sense, Vaders will sell regardless.

It's most likely meant for the next company, whether it be now or down the road. If we had a perfect Vader now we would be less inclined to buy one a few years from now from the some other company that makes it.

All these subtle changes in the likeness are for a reason, and it's not because LFL doesn't agree with artists interpretation, on a personal level, they could care less. They want to keep the machine going and these changes will insure that it does.

Studio49
06-18-2009, 09:13 PM
I have been trying to catch up on reading the middle parts of this thread. Is someone going to be offering a proper head for this?

Valfar
06-18-2009, 09:13 PM
It's most likely meant for the next company, whether it be now or down the road. If we had a perfect Vader now we would be less inclined to buy one a few years from now from the some other company that makes it.

All these subtle changes in the likeness are for a reason, and it's not because LFL doesn't agree with artists interpretation, on a personal level, they could care less. They want to keep the machine going and these changes will insure that it does.

Thats got to be right though, how did we get such beautiful looking Stormtrooper kits from Marmit?..maybe because they were indeed Kits and not 1/6th figures...they avoided some obstacles.

JustinLuck
06-18-2009, 09:18 PM
It's most likely meant for the next company, whether it be now or down the road. If we had a perfect Vader now we would be less inclined to buy one a few years from now from the some other company that makes it.

All these subtle changes in the likeness are for a reason, and it's not because LFL doesn't agree with artists interpretation, on a personal level, they could care less. They want to keep the machine going and these changes will insure that it does.

I disagree with this. The ANH helmet is very different from ESB and ROTJ. If this is an ANH Vader, I want an ANH helmet for it. I would still purchase ESB and ROTJ Vaders if Sideshow paid attention to the details that differed between them. That's three Vaders to purchase. Isn't that enough? I would have even purchased a ROTS Vader if Lucas had been smart and given him more screen time with intelligent dialog from JEJ.

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 09:24 PM
Not that it's been much a concern lately :lol, but photo studio's closed for the weekend, going to be gone starting tomorrow morning, so incase anyone comes looking for something, you won't get it until I'm back.

Valfar
06-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Not that it's been much a concern lately :lol, but photo studio's closed for the weekend, going to be gone starting tomorrow morning, so incase anyone comes looking for something, you won't get it until I'm back.

Can you take one last pic, photoshop Vader bricking on Jedi Lukes face?. :lol

EVILFACE
06-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Whatever, you still need to show the pic of Vaders skull lightning.

Lee in MI
06-18-2009, 09:27 PM
It's an interesting theory, but I'll argue it with this logic.

If they show us a helmet everyone loves at SDCC and then give us a lesser one in production...

Seems par for the course with SSC sometimes:rolleyes:


I think the whole idea of "casting shrinkage" can be debunked. If the helmet shrunk THAT much, you wouldn't be able to put it on Vader's head. The bowl portion would have shrunk just as much as the rim. Personally, I think it's an LFL thing.

Well all these arguments are rumor and conjecture at this point:naughty So lets keep an open mind cause:


Crazy things can go on in a factory in China.

Whatever the case, the helm is shotty...not SSC best work. Too bad it had to happen on one of THE most anticipated figures in their catalog of figures.:monkey2

pixletwin
06-18-2009, 09:29 PM
I wonder if some of people who post in this thread ^^^^ bricks. :sancho

automaton
06-18-2009, 09:35 PM
regardless of whether the helmet was intentionally altered or the change came from a flaw in manufacturing, it raises another question... SST doesn't have to adjust the helmet... most of us will jump on a reveal version regardless... will SST bother adjusting it on future incarnations? if so, how will this reflect on the ANH helmet as it is the most distinctive of the OT?

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 09:47 PM
will SST bother adjusting it on future incarnations?

That's why I care if this is because of LFL, because if it is, there's a good chance this will be the dome for every Vader.

Lee in MI
06-18-2009, 09:49 PM
regardless of whether the helmet was intentionally altered or the change came from a flaw in manufacturing, it raises another question... SST doesn't have to adjust the helmet... most of us will jump on a reveal version regardless... will SST bother adjusting it on future incarnations? if so, how will this reflect on the ANH helmet as it is the most distinctive of the OT?

Has SSC ever said they were willing to do a reveal helmet? I thought their official stance was no due to the fact that it would force them to make...the head...or the helmet...out of scale....nevermind:rolleyes:

They've proved they're willing to make some...adjustments:lol

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 09:54 PM
Vader's reveal helmet is a different scenario than the type of helmets Sideshow's come out and said they wouldn't tackle. Sideshow is staying away from removable helmets where the character's portrait would require special hair to fit in the helmet that wouldn't look normal out of it.

Vader doesn't really take his helmet off in a tradition sense. The neck brace is permanent around his neck, so all there really is to take away from the Anakin head, which is bald, is the face plate. Having held 1/6 heads up to the Sideshow Vader, there is plenty of room for the existing mask to house a portrait behind it and the helmet already separates from the mask, so there's no worry about the size of that to accommodate a reveal. All that really needs figuring out is how the face plate will connect to the collar.

IrishJedi
06-18-2009, 10:01 PM
The Marmit helmet was MUCH more accurate to ANH Vader.

Between ERT, Hurrican and... hell, even Hasbro we should have a shot at correcting the Sideshow helmet.

EVILFACE
06-18-2009, 10:07 PM
Prolly go with Hurrican as long as they are not overpriced.

IrishJedi
06-18-2009, 10:14 PM
Prolly go with Hurrican as long as they are not overpriced.

:lecture

Whatever the case, something needs to be done. This production helmet will not do.

Lee in MI
06-18-2009, 10:15 PM
Vader's reveal helmet is a different scenario than the type of helmets Sideshow's come out and said they wouldn't tackle. Sideshow is staying away from removable helmets where the character's portrait would require special hair to fit in the helmet that wouldn't look normal out of it.

Not saying they wont do it given some time, but I don't remember them being this specific about the issue. I thought they said removable helmets aren't something they are willing to tackle...I don't remember them making any exceptions. Perhaps their stance has changed a little and I missed it.:duh

pixletwin
06-18-2009, 10:19 PM
Captain antilles and the rebel fleet trooper have removable helmets.

Lee in MI
06-18-2009, 10:21 PM
Captain antilles and the rebel fleet trooper have removable helmets.

Well...more specifically reveal helmets...Leia Boush (sp?), Jango, Boba, Vader and others.

MaulFan
06-18-2009, 10:21 PM
Captain antilles and the rebel fleet trooper have removable helmets.

I'd consider them more hats like the Endor troops, with items like Boushh, Fetts, Stormies and Clones constituting helmets, and thus, Luke and Han as Stormies not being able to wear the helmets.

zeiss
06-18-2009, 10:22 PM
Prolly go with Hurrican as long as they are not overpriced.

Same here. I am hoping he or someone else will be able to modify the Sideshow dome. That would probably be more accurate than using the hasbro dome.

thenammagazine
06-18-2009, 11:01 PM
Case in point? :huh :lol

I think the dome is the only glaring issue on this piece. It's well worth the cash to pick him up and if it's something I can't live with, it's still entirely reasonable if I can't butcher my Hasbro reveal and use that dome, to pick up a replacement dome somewhere from one of the great customizers here for $20-$40 (though I seriously doubt it'll be that high). That makes him near perfect and still puts him below the cost of a non-clearanced Medicom. And aside from their ROTJ Vader, there isn't another worthy, high-end collectible 1:6 Vader for near that price.

IrishJedi
06-18-2009, 11:01 PM
"I was once...a man!"

Darklord Dave
06-18-2009, 11:44 PM
I agree Dave that the Marmit is not perfect. But to my eyes, it looks better than Sideshow's mask/helmet proportions in relation to the rest of the body.

I also do not see the look of ESB in Sideshow's helmet either.



My suggestion was hypothetical - perhaps the helmet was changed to look more like another Vader collectible - who knows.

IrishJedi
06-18-2009, 11:48 PM
In the end, though, no matter what the reason the dome is a handicap on this figure. And that's at least mildly disappointing because everything else about it is a home run and the best Vader we've seen in 1:6.

Darklord Dave
06-18-2009, 11:50 PM
The Hasbro dome is completely wrong for ANH Vader, no widow's peak, and wrong shape entirely.

Valfar
06-19-2009, 12:01 AM
The Hasbro dome is completely wrong for ANH Vader, no widow's peak, and wrong shape entirely.

You got that right, only thing that will look improved with it, is the mass of it.

But, the reveal Hasbro Vader i own is the one that came in the two pack with Maul and was from ROTJ.

Puay
06-19-2009, 01:30 AM
I am going crazy, got a notice from my local retailer. I will be collecting my Vader together with Han in Carbonite, Utapau Clone Troopers and the Medicom Jawa all on the same day.:banana:banana:banana

DinoLast
06-19-2009, 02:59 AM
Reading this thread is like listening to a stuck record.
It's funny how it's the usual suspects that seem to have the most to whine about.

QuiGonFishing
06-19-2009, 06:15 AM
Reading this thread is like listening to a stuck record.
It's funny how it's the usual suspects that seem to have the most to whine about.


I think the dome is off a little. Does anyone agree or is it just me...:rolleyes:

Darth Madden
06-19-2009, 06:58 AM
Reading this thread is like listening to a stuck record.
It's funny how it's the usual suspects that seem to have the most to whine about.

I have to agree. 800 posts about the dome is getting a bit boring.

LOPIE
06-19-2009, 07:05 AM
As far as a reveal helmet SS can do what they did with Indy making two heads available one with the hat on and one without. One head can be with the Vader helmet that is a solid piece and the other with a Vader reveal with the dome and the front mask piece off making it into 3 separate pieces.
See in this pic the head and the neck piece can be one solid piece.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/2504312652_aebd1ac7b8.jpg?v=0

galactiboy
06-19-2009, 07:12 AM
I think that is probably what they would do. Medicom did a very nice job with their 3 piece reveal, but I still thought both versions were a bit pin-headed. But being burned and scarred it was more acceptable.

Darth Madden
06-19-2009, 07:23 AM
As far as a reveal helmet SS can do what they did with Indy making two heads available one with the hat on and one without.

That would be the best way to do it and it would be just fine by me.

MaulFan
06-19-2009, 07:40 AM
As far as a reveal helmet SS can do what they did with Indy making two heads available one with the hat on and one without. One head can be with the Vader helmet that is a solid piece and the other with a Vader reveal with the dome and the front mask piece off making it into 3 separate pieces.
See in this pic the head and the neck piece can be one solid piece.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/2504312652_aebd1ac7b8.jpg?v=0

I'd HATE that, for me the whole point of the reveal is being able to remove each piece just like Luke does at the end, it's not just about seeing Anakin with the collar and suit on, it's about the whole scene and the emotion of first the dome coming off and then the mask slowly coming away giving us our first glimpse at Anakin Skywalker (if you saw OT before PT).

Mad Old Lu
06-19-2009, 07:46 AM
I think Marmit's dome looks way too big and much too long. And while Sideshow's isn't perfect, I think it's closer to looking right than Marmit's or any of the other domes I've seen.

And I think maybe Maulfan's right about the dome being changed because the casting process. It was probably significantly cheaper to make the dome a bit smaller because it maybe used a different casting process or machine, or used much less material. I'm not familiar with casting, and I'm just guessing based on my experience with printing. Sometimes if we design a book at a certain irregular size, say 9"x12", the printer will come back to us and say, "you'll save half the cost if you reduce the size to 8.5"x11" (the standard letter size)", which is really just a 1/2 inch on one side and an inch on the other. Not a big deal, right? But it's a significant change in price because there wouldn't be as much paper waste since they can gang up more pages on a single sheet. And yes, as a designer it's a hard choice to make because you have the chance to save a good bit of money (not just pennies), but compromise the design you had envisioned. Ultimately the client decides to save the money, and the piece ends up not a strong and impactful as it was first conceived.

I imagine it was something like that with the casting.

LOPIE
06-19-2009, 07:47 AM
I'd HATE that, for me the whole point of the reveal is being able to remove each piece just like Luke does at the end, it's not just about seeing Anakin with the collar and suit on, it's about the whole scene and the emotion of first the dome coming off and then the mask slowly coming away giving us our first glimpse at Anakin Skywalker (if you saw OT before PT).

Medi did a good job with the reveal, and SS could do the same that is IF they wanted too. Come on I bet someone on this forum could pull it off. In fact if someone did it they would make a killing. Hell Hasbro did a good job.

Fia2k9
06-19-2009, 08:22 AM
As far as a reveal helmet SS can do what they did with Indy making two heads available one with the hat on and one without. One head can be with the Vader helmet that is a solid piece and the other with a Vader reveal with the dome and the front mask piece off making it into 3 separate pieces.
See in this pic the head and the neck piece can be one solid piece.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/2504312652_aebd1ac7b8.jpg?v=0

Ultimately, the collar doesn't need to be removeable. The head and collar can be one peice. Only the facemask and dome need be seperate peices. That way they wouldn't require two head sculpts. So I totally agree with you Lopie and I just realized that I've just repeated what you said.........OOPS!

:o

Darthrazz
06-19-2009, 08:27 AM
Medi did a good job with the reveal, and SS could do the same that is IF they wanted too. Come on I bet someone on this forum could pull it off. In fact if someone did it they would make a killing. Hell Hasbro did a good job.

Hurricane has been doing it for years! And with pieces that were never really intended to be reveal.

pixletwin
06-19-2009, 08:29 AM
Hurricane has been doing it for years! And with pieces that were never really intended to be reveal.

It bugs me that people keep talking like a reveal is this impossible pipe dream when anyone who knows anything has seen that it plainly is possible without making the mask huge or the head tiny.

Darthrazz
06-19-2009, 08:29 AM
I'd HATE that, for me the whole point of the reveal is being able to remove each piece just like Luke does at the end, it's not just about seeing Anakin with the collar and suit on, it's about the whole scene and the emotion of first the dome coming off and then the mask slowly coming away giving us our first glimpse at Anakin Skywalker (if you saw OT before PT).

I have to agree with you. I'd like full reveal as well, not three heads in different stages.

Darthrazz
06-19-2009, 08:30 AM
It bugs me that people keep talking like a reveal is this impossible pipe dream when anyone who knows anything has seen that it plainly is possible without making the mask huge or the head tiny.

Exactly, even hasbro tackled it, albeit not too well, but it wasn't that bad.

The Josh
06-19-2009, 08:33 AM
It can be done and pretty well. The ROTS one by Medicom is done alright but I'd prefer is SS did it as a separate head.

pixletwin
06-19-2009, 08:36 AM
It can be done and pretty well. The ROTS one by Medicom is done alright but I'd prefer is SS did it as a separate head.

Whhhhhhhhhy??????? :banghead

:lol

The Josh
06-19-2009, 08:37 AM
Whhhhhhhhhy??????? :banghead

:lol

u know :lol

abake
06-19-2009, 08:50 AM
Funny, I have Medicom's ROTJ Vader, and after checking the HS out a few times when I first got it and showing it off to friends, I have never again taken the helmet off.
It's a nice-to-have, but really not that important to me. Having said that, I'm sure SST will do a reveal for ROTJ. It would be stupid not to.

Kuzeh
06-19-2009, 09:54 AM
I love SS products,
their SW and LOTR figures are a highlight of my collection,
but I don't think this was LFL intervention...

I mean... there's literally dozens of Darth Vader products that have the right
shaped dome...
Why would LFL ^^^^ up SS's?...:dunno
Specially since all other SS Vader products have a better looking helmet (not perfect, but better than this one...)
Bronze Statue, Diplomatic Mission and even the PF looks better than this one...

galactiboy
06-19-2009, 09:59 AM
Whhhhhhhhhy??????? :banghead

:lol

I think it would allow for better overall proportions (not saying it can't be done, but one less thing to get jacked up in production)... as well as less chance of helmet pieces not fitting together well, ROTJ from Medicom had a very loose dome, or even getting paint rubs on the underlying head from removing the tight fitting face mask.

If the end product looks the same it really isn't a big deal IMO... unless you would want the extra helmet pieces sitting on the ground as part of a display.

thenammagazine
06-19-2009, 10:02 AM
I think Marmit's dome looks way too big and much too long. And while Sideshow's isn't perfect, I think it's closer to looking right than Marmit's or any of the other domes I've seen.

And I think maybe Maulfan's right about the dome being changed because the casting process. It was probably significantly cheaper to make the dome a bit smaller because it maybe used a different casting process or machine, or used much less material. I'm not familiar with casting, and I'm just guessing based on my experience with printing. Sometimes if we design a book at a certain irregular size, say 9"x12", the printer will come back to us and say, "you'll save half the cost if you reduce the size to 8.5"x11" (the standard letter size)", which is really just a 1/2 inch on one side and an inch on the other. Not a big deal, right? But it's a significant change in price because there wouldn't be as much paper waste since they can gang up more pages on a single sheet. And yes, as a designer it's a hard choice to make because you have the chance to save a good bit of money (not just pennies), but compromise the design you had envisioned. Ultimately the client decides to save the money, and the piece ends up not a strong and impactful as it was first conceived.

I imagine it was something like that with the casting.

Eh, that's a little bit different considering it requires a specialty printer utilizing oversized plates for the images vs. the standard 8.5x11" printers which are the industry standard. I really don't see how casting the helmet would be any more different than casting the chestplate or any other armored pieces.

pixletwin
06-19-2009, 10:03 AM
I am just weird I guess.

I have two stormies. Both of which I gutted and stuck HT heads underneath. I don't pose them with the their helmets off.... I just like knowing that there IS a head underneath.

I know. I am a freak.

Although with ROTJ Vader I likely would display him laying down with Luke hovering over him and holding the pieces of his face mask.

Brent72
06-19-2009, 10:16 AM
I love SS products,
their SW and LOTR figures are a highlight of my collection,
but I don't think this was LFL intervention...

I mean... there's literally dozens of Darth Vader products that have the right
shaped dome...
Why would LFL ^^^^ up SS's?...:dunno
Specially since all other SS Vader products have a better looking helmet (not perfect, but better than this one...)
Bronze Statue, Diplomatic Mission and even the PF looks better than this one...

That's what keeps bugging me. Of all the things on a Vader that could be screwed up, why did it have to be the helmet on this figure? :confused:

Fia2k9
06-19-2009, 10:19 AM
SSC screwed up. It's obvious. What bugs me is that we've waited the better part of a year for an f-up? They don't deserve excuses, we deserve a decent figure.

LOPIE
06-19-2009, 10:28 AM
That's what keeps bugging me. Of all the things on a Vader that could be screwed up, why did it have to be the helmet on this figure? :confused:

I 2nd that, but with said I'm sill looking forward to getting mine.

LOPIE
06-19-2009, 10:29 AM
I hope they dont screw-up Boba Fett and Jango.

Lordscum
06-19-2009, 10:33 AM
I can't believe the complaining is still going strong and its still 2-3 weeks away
before even start to have Vader in hand .

Chicken Little as a very strong pressence on these forums.



Yes in viewing the PICTURES the dome does appear to be a little on the small
side but wouldn't it make more sense to actually have it in hand before condeming it ?


This is bar-none the best 1:6 Vader on the market today or ever .

abake
06-19-2009, 10:37 AM
SSC screwed up. It's obvious. What bugs me is that we've waited the better part of a year for an f-up? They don't deserve excuses, we deserve a decent figure.

Call me crazy, but I think we're getting more than just a "decent" figure... :rolleyes:
And some of us have been waiting 32 years for a figure that looks this good.

SST's Vader is too tall, the helmet is too small and has the wrong shape, wrist articulation is not the best, it has no ankle articulation due to the stiffness of the boots (although that could be a plus considering the weight of the figure) and the saber is too red instead of pinkish.

It still is more in scale to other 1/6 scale figures than Medicom's, seems to be better overall and is cheaper, and it is in a different galaxy compared to Hasbro's offerings.

Can't wait to get mine! :rock

Lordscum
06-19-2009, 10:41 AM
Call me crazy, but I think we're getting more than just a "decent" figure... :rolleyes:
And some of us have been waiting 32 years for a figure that looks this good.

SST's Vader is too tall, the helmet is too small and has the wrong shape, wrist articulation is not the best, it has no ankle articulation due to the stiffness of the boots (although that could be a plus considering the weight of the figure) and the saber is too red instead of pinkish.

It still is more in scale to other 1/6 scale figures than Medicom's, seems to be better overall and is cheaper, and it is in a different galaxy compared to Hasbro's offerings.

Can't wait to get mine! :rock




Well said Abake! :rock:rock:rock

LOPIE
06-19-2009, 10:42 AM
I can't believe the complaining is still going strong and its still 2-3 weeks away
before even start to have Vader in hand .

Chicken Little as a very strong pressence on these forums.

Yes in viewing the PICTURES the dome does appear to be a little on the small
side but wouldn't it make more sense to actually have it in hand before condeming it ?

This is bar-none the best 1:6 Vader on the market today or ever .

I don't think anyone is complaining we are just nit picking the hell out of Vader its all Maulfans fault. If he only posted more pics for us to look at I'd have something else to do other then ^^^^^ all over Vader. :D

Anzik
06-19-2009, 10:49 AM
I can't believe that the difference in the helmet is SSC's fault. They already had a sculpt done and ready to be made into molds.
So just for kicks and giggles they paid to have another sculpted?
I don't think so. LFL stepped in and ordered the changes so that all the helmets match more closely.
Now why would LFL do something so silly? God only knows but its certainly typical of them.

LOPIE
06-19-2009, 11:05 AM
For all the money we pay Sideshow, we at least deserve a clear explanation from them about what really happened.

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl It'll never happen.

thenammagazine
06-19-2009, 11:14 AM
For all the money we pay Sideshow, we at least deserve a clear explanation from them about what really happened.

Because that $120 is just sooooooooo much money. :rolleyes: :lol

Darthrazz
06-19-2009, 11:24 AM
Because that $120 is just sooooooooo much money. :rolleyes: :lol

It is for many of us.

Anzik
06-19-2009, 11:26 AM
For all the money we pay Sideshow, we at least deserve a clear explanation from them about what really happened.

Who says LFL will let them discuss it. If it wasn't for Andy B we wouldn't know about their rejections of the Mace and Bespin Luke sculpts.

Darthrazz
06-19-2009, 11:28 AM
We also at this point, other MaulFan, have never seen this thing!:lol Granted maulfan's pictures have been amazing, but when i have it in hand I'll pass judgment on it.

Kuzeh
06-19-2009, 11:29 AM
Because that $120 is just sooooooooo much money. :rolleyes: :lol

Times 8477... :rolleyes:

thenammagazine
06-19-2009, 11:32 AM
It is for many of us.

If that's the case, you should be spending it on necessities vs. toys. ;)


Times 8477... :rolleyes:

How many did you order?! :google :p

Memnoch
06-19-2009, 11:35 AM
Screw everyone. Im getting this figure for probably $40 shipped so to me this Vader will NEVER be topped and the dome looks like its covered in gold.

Darthrazz
06-19-2009, 11:36 AM
If that's the case, you should be spending it on necessities vs. toys. ;)



This is a necessity!:lol

DinoLast
06-19-2009, 11:37 AM
I think what is throwing the likeness off is that the dome is sitting straight, it was usually seen at an angle during ANH like so...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/paulcarson/vadermakerhelmet2.jpg



Its a small mod I will more than likely be doing to mine.

[QUOTE=MaulFan;1751578]

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/9.jpg

[QUOTE]

How hard do you think it will be to mod the angle?

Darthrazz
06-19-2009, 11:53 AM
[QUOTE=MaulFan;1751578]

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/9.jpg

[QUOTE]

How hard do you think it will be to mod the angle?

Here you go I tilted the angle a bit. What do you think?
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/VADERTILT.jpg

Kuzeh
06-19-2009, 11:55 AM
How many did you order?! :google :p

1 Exclusive!! :banana:banana

T.E.D
06-19-2009, 11:57 AM
Here you go I tilted the angle a bit. What do you think?
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/VADERTILT.jpg[/QUOTE]

That already looks better!!! btw just read completely through this thread incredible pictures Maulfan, congrats on the win the only bad thing is now i just have to wait to get mine.

FlyAndFight
06-19-2009, 12:04 PM
[QUOTE=DinoLast;1774167][QUOTE=MaulFan;1751578]

Here you go I tilted the angle a bit. What do you think?
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i210/darthrazz/VADERTILT.jpg



That does appear to make a significant difference. Definitely gives a better ANH impression. If there is a way of doing this without trashing the helmet, it will be a fantastic mod.

paulcarson
06-19-2009, 12:25 PM
I still think that by doing this mod it will look far better. The dome needs to sit lower over the "eyebrows" of the faceplate. The back of the dome needs to be angled more, bringing it closer to the shoulders. Looking at Sean's pics, it may just be a case of cutting away the rod and some of the thin holders inside the dome.

Darthrazz
06-19-2009, 12:34 PM
I still think that by doing this mod it will look far better. The dome needs to sit lower over the "eyebrows" of the faceplate. The back of the dome needs to be angled more, bringing it closer to the shoulders. Looking at Sean's pics, it may just be a case of cutting away the rod and some of the thin holders inside the dome.

Paul, do yo think the helmet might not be big enough to sit properly on the front though? I'm afraid it might ride too high over the eyes?

paulcarson
06-19-2009, 12:40 PM
I think that there will be enough space inside the dome to accommodate the top of the head . I've had many Vader helmets in my possession over the years and have always thought it looked better with the dome sitting just over the eyebrows .

I think that it will be a very easy mod to do to get it to sit correctly. I think a lot of people will be very surprised and eat their words when they see it done.

minivader
06-19-2009, 12:45 PM
if the dome doesn't have enough space, one can always hack away at the top of the head as well. no one is gonna see that anyway once vader puts the helmet on.

Darthrazz
06-19-2009, 12:46 PM
Hopefully it is an easy fix!

automaton
06-19-2009, 01:09 PM
whenever i return to this thread, i almost expect to see satellite photos of the manufacturing plant where the helmet was produced... or perhaps an interview with "Deep Helmet". the disgruntled factory worker about to blow the "lid" off this scandal...