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OSCORP
06-12-2009, 06:34 AM
The small dome only bugs me a bit and i doubt in person i'll care so much.(like someone said it's only certain angles) Ya know it kinda looks like the Vader of the early SW posters, he always had a shortish dome in those.


It looks like SS couldn't handle giving us perfection, but from what i've seen and heard, a solid 9 seem to be in order.

This is one of my faves...

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/50.jpg

shockwave
06-12-2009, 06:36 AM
Great photos & sfx MF. Yeah the helmet is small. I might have to bug Hur too....:peace

Or I can swap the helmet from my Hur-TESB Vader for SS Vader...:duh:confused:

agonistes86
06-12-2009, 06:38 AM
Amazing pics MaulFan, thanks for posting this many. I love this one, somehow it captures Vader's emotion in this scene perfectly. :rock



http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/65.jpg

Indiana Fett
06-12-2009, 06:43 AM
Maulfan,

First, I am stoked that you won the contest. Can you fellow freaks imagine if someone won who had no love for sharing AND didn't own a digital camera!?! Not only does Maulfan own the camera, he knows how to use it in a big way! Thanks for all the pics.

This figure is impressive, most impressive. But his helmet needs a tweak. Thanks to Maulfan's Vader taking a header off the desk, we've seen what can be done if desired. A custom, larger dome would be the ticket. Hurricane's Vader is what ANH Darth Vader should be (in my humble opinion). His helmet was HUGE in ANH! Hurricane (or anyone else), your services are required. Otherwise, Maulfan, would you be so kind to indulge a few of us and place the hasbro dome on your SSC Vader?

Thanks for the great pics and congrats on your win.

Could not agree more. I'm super stoked you won the contest Maulfan, your submitted poster is a true work of art...as are the INCREDIBLE photos you've been putting together for us. Awesome, Awesome work man! :rock

I am envious. Can't wait to have Vader in hand...just another month or so...

As for the helmet, I agree that that appears to be the only thing 'off' about this piece from the photos at least. Everything else looks STELLAR, parts, paint-apps, everything, but that dome looks a 'tad' small head on. Looks good from angles, and the shine is GREAT. I'd be in for custom Hurricane dome...of course, maybe once we have this in hand, a reheat, stretch and reshape me help significantly too...either way, this is a KILLER figure no matter how you slice it!

:rock :rock :rock

Customikey
06-12-2009, 06:47 AM
I see the inevitable debate creeping up. Just let it happen, guys. Like it or not, it is one of the reasons this forum exists: so people can report their observations both good and bad, nitpicky or obvious. Sometimes it's a nuisance and sometimes it's a spirited discussion. Sometimes it's the same discussion over and over, but this is a new day and a new figure. A new iteration of a subject we're all invested in, so let the debate rage, even if it's vaguely familiar.

For myself, I am enjoying MaulFan's photos very much! I don't have much to add to the growing debate, so I'll keep my own council about the figure's flaws until I get him. For now it's enough that MaulFan loves his, and that... is a very encouraging thought.

Crimsonbob
06-12-2009, 07:09 AM
Well said Customikey. Besides we dont want to upset him cos we love the piccies :lol

pixletwin
06-12-2009, 07:10 AM
Great photo, I agree. I am going to get mine modified by Glen, but not the dome. I am fine with it the way it is.


Great shots... this one is perfection:

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/66.jpg

The Josh
06-12-2009, 07:16 AM
Saw one shot where the dome looked a bit thin but fine in other shots. I can't say I've seen anything I think needs to be modded but thats just me.

abake
06-12-2009, 07:51 AM
Fantastic pics MF!
Truly beautiful!

And now I need to get an emperor...

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 07:55 AM
And now I need to get an emperor...

Now Sideshow needs to make the Emperor, the Hasbro cloak is tolerable, but Sideshow's would be much better.

We now have THE villain of Star Wars, but now we need the other 2 big ones.

http://tatooine.fortunecity.com/swampthing/97/tarkin10.jpg

http://jediknight960.tripod.com/palpatine5.jpg

TheObsoleteMan
06-12-2009, 08:00 AM
"I see you have constructed a new lightsaber. Your skills are complete."

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/55.jpg


Awesome, thanks! Even though he's technically ANH Vader he displays beautifully with ROTJ Luke. This is exacty how I was thinking of displaying them.

FlyAndFight
06-12-2009, 08:08 AM
Dome is small but it's not a deal breaker. The figure is a fantastic looking 9.5.

A replacement dome more to scale would make it an 11!

Now I REALLY want a Grand Moff Tarkin!!!!

Kuzeh
06-12-2009, 08:31 AM
Awesome shots!!!
Wow!!! :rock!!

Mad Old Lu
06-12-2009, 08:52 AM
I think the dome looks perfect. I can see what some of you are talking about when you're looking at it straight on. It looks a tiny bit smaller than some of the movie stills, but I don't think it looks wrong, if that makes any sense. All the other Vader versions I've seen the helmets look too large and some flat-out wrong. The figure overall is 100% to me and I can't wait to get it!

Venomous venom
06-12-2009, 10:01 AM
what are the villains that maulfan told about??i dont see anything??darth revan??bane??malak??or the mighties "big" chewbacca ( even hes not a villain :lol)

minivader
06-12-2009, 10:10 AM
what are the villains that maulfan told about??i dont see anything??darth revan??bane??malak??or the mighties "big" chewbacca ( even hes not a villain :lol)

dont know who MF is thinking about but for me they would be:

grand moff tarkin
general grievous

Lordscum
06-12-2009, 10:11 AM
what are the villains that maulfan told about??i dont see anything??darth revan??bane??malak??or the mighties "big" chewbacca ( even hes not a villain :lol)



Dooku , Tarkin or the Emperor prehapes??

JGouse0498
06-12-2009, 10:16 AM
I'm thinking Tarkin and ROTJ Emperor Palpatine.

Karaduin
06-12-2009, 10:20 AM
Been really busy at work and haven't been able to log on and contribute my praise for these awesome photos. Superb work MaulFan! Gratz on winning the contest and all. I am a MaulFanFan!


Amazing pics MaulFan, thanks for posting this many. I love this one, somehow it captures Vader's emotion in this scene perfectly. :rock
http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/65.jpg

I agree! Love the lighting effect on this one too, great stuff. It's great the way (in the movie) Vader looks at Palps, then to Luke, then at Palps, then back to Luke, then its 'RIGHT THATS IT!'

Speaking of capturing emotion - I always find that Vader somehow looks sad in this part of RotJ (pic below - MF's of course!) or you can feel the 'conflict within him' as Luke says... dont ask me how I can see anything at all given he's wearing that mask but I always felt he looked pensive, contemplating etc did they use a different mask in that part?

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/59.jpg

Just so superb! Having watched Adywan's version of ANH only yesterday and seeing MF's pics of Sideshow's Vader, I am sooo happy to be a SW fan!

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 10:24 AM
The ones I was referring to were Tarkin and the Emperor as compliments to Vader.

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 10:26 AM
Speaking of capturing emotion - I always find that Vader somehow looks sad in this part of RotJ (pic below - MF's of course!) or you can feel the 'conflict within him' as Luke says... dont ask me how I can see anything at all given he's wearing that mask but I always felt he looked pensive, contemplating etc did they use a different mask in that part?


It's just a matter of angle, lighting and posture, plus Vader's movement. In the seen, Vader walks over to the railing Luke leaned on very slowly, as though a great weight is on his back, which emotionally it is, then he rests on the railing and tilts his head down. Such actions are common to emotional distress, so even though there's no expression to the Vader mask, the music and actions define and emotion within the viewer and you project it onto his face.

grinningsmile
06-12-2009, 10:32 AM
Have to agree that a rotj emperor would just about let me die a happy collector, easily my favourite character in the saga, and having this amazing vader to display next to him would be fantastic, currently i'm weighing up the pros and cons on who to display vader with, bespin luke or old ben, if i choose luke i'm gonna have to make a freezing chamber base to display them on, seems like the done thing.

Karaduin
06-12-2009, 10:33 AM
It's just a matter of angle, lighting and posture, plus Vader's movement. In the seen, Vader walks over to the railing Luke leaned on very slowly, as though a great weight is on his back, which emotionally it is, then he rests on the railing and tilts his head down. Such actions are common to emotional distress, so even though there's no expression to the Vader mask, the music and actions define and emotion within the viewer and you project it onto his face.

Totally agreed. There were moments that jarred me when I was kid watching SW... the scene we are discussing and whenever Vader cried out in pain. When Luke whacks him on the shoulder with his sabre in ESB and when Luke kicks him down the stairs in RotJ.... also when Vader loses his hand and the rasping breathing of course. I was like 'wow this guy feels pain and has feelings and all'?!?!

Darth_Finger
06-12-2009, 12:47 PM
Wow those are all awesome pics :)

Lordscum
06-12-2009, 01:17 PM
Wow those are all awesome pics :)

In a few short weeks Finger it will be ours!!! You order a Schock Trooper??

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 01:29 PM
Incase people come here looking for new additions, I needed a little Vader breather today, I only posted about 60 images of him here, but it took 300+ photos to get those, so I'm a little ODed on him, want to take a break, come back fresh and with some more creativity.

abake
06-12-2009, 01:39 PM
Dude, you've posted more than enough pics!
Of course, more are always welcome, but with the amount you have already posted I can hold out for a couple of days!

Thanks.

galactiboy
06-12-2009, 01:41 PM
Dude, you've posted more than enough pics!


Never!!!

Get back to work :whip:chew

j/k :lol :peace

Lordscum
06-12-2009, 01:42 PM
Yea Man ! Really you've done a great job! Enjoy the weekend ! Vader will be in our hands in a few weeks!

Darth_Finger
06-12-2009, 01:53 PM
In a few short weeks Finger it will be ours!!! You order a Schock Trooper??

Going to hold off right now on the shock trooper. Funds are tight and I need to put any funds towards my other projects.

Darklord Dave
06-12-2009, 01:56 PM
Great pics Maulfan - we appreciate your work.

pixletwin
06-12-2009, 01:57 PM
Great pics Maulfan - we appreciate your work.

:lecture

I have set my screen saver to exclusively show your vader pics. :o

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 02:09 PM
Thanks guys, I know you do, and I don't want to do the figure injustice either, so I figure a little break will do good.

Small thing to note incase anyone wonders, the metal ring part of his display base is about an inch and a half taller than standard SSC stands, so it was made to accommodate him nicely.

JustinLuck
06-12-2009, 02:49 PM
http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/21.jpg

http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.galacticbinder.com/images/vaderfirst1.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHH9rjwSBrfERAazS8oFae6LQcSqQ

Here it looks like the height is spot on.

From these pics, the helmet looks a bit too small for the body. I'm judging this by comparing the helmet width compared to his shoulder width in those two pics.

pixletwin
06-12-2009, 02:50 PM
From these pics, the helmet looks a bit too small for the body.

Are you serious Justin? I think you are the first person to mention that. :lol

thenammagazine
06-12-2009, 02:56 PM
Are you serious Justin? I think you are the first person to mention that. :lol

:confused: There's something wrong with the helmet? :confused:
















:p

JustinLuck
06-12-2009, 02:57 PM
Hey Pix, I've been away for a couple months and was just making an observaton.:monkey3 Great pics MaulFan, as always. Thanks for the detailed review and congrats on winning the contest!

MorgulTongue
06-12-2009, 03:46 PM
Can anyone get a pic of Vader from Empire when he enters the control room on Hoth, stops, looks left, then turns right and walks past the camera. His helmet was VERY short in that scene.

DarthNeil
06-12-2009, 04:47 PM
Great pics Sean.

pixletwin
06-12-2009, 04:48 PM
Great pics Sean.

:lol :lol :lol

I hope you did more than delete posts.

thenammagazine
06-12-2009, 04:49 PM
:lol :lol :lol

I hope you did more than delete posts.

:lecture :lecture :lecture

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 04:50 PM
Posts had to be deleted in here? New stuff or old stuff getting cleaned?

pixletwin
06-12-2009, 04:50 PM
Posts had to be deleted in here? New stuff or old stuff getting cleaned?

New stuff. :wave

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 04:52 PM
Apparently no message board is safe from the power of the Vader :rock

DarthNeil
06-12-2009, 04:52 PM
Hockey game starts in about ten minutes. Leave this Canuck alone.

Again Sean, great pics.

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 04:56 PM
Thanks Neil.

While I agree in some photos, the helmet can look painfully small, I think it's just how it comes off in particular surroundings and no photo's going to change that, but to me, I don't see that when I stare at him standing on my desk. I really wish the camera could work like the human eye so I could truly show how awesome it is to look at him. There are still some things that aren't dead right about the dome, but I have a strong feeling many may find themselves questioning how worth it spending money for a new dome would be once they have him in hand.

Devil_666
06-12-2009, 05:01 PM
Looks fine to me. Especially compared to the v.1 Joker sculpt in that one pic. He looks ginormous!!! Over 14 inches!? :google so he slightly towers over Predators!? WOW.

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 05:03 PM
Yup he's big. Between his height and quality, he really could fill in as a PF in the collection, it's just that impressive.

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 05:04 PM
so he slightly towers over Predators!? WOW.

Not sure if you saw this, based on your question mark it might have been missed.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/46.jpg

pixletwin
06-12-2009, 05:11 PM
Your justice served? :huh

Oh. I was hoping it would be a Vader. :(

lerath666
06-12-2009, 05:12 PM
If justice is served you'll get your Vader ?

Devil_666
06-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Not sure if you saw this, based on your question mark it might have been missed.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/46.jpg

:horror

Yeah didn't see that. :lol That's REALLY big. Darth Vader was 7' 6"!? Looks nice regardless.

lerath666
06-12-2009, 05:13 PM
As you can see by my above post, I was thinking the same thing Pix :lol

anyways, "people" need to stop picking on pix. he's a great guy, and i Love his Aragorn and Legolas Very much :)

which reminds me, now that i've got aragorns boots fixed, I owe pix, some Pics.

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 05:13 PM
If justice is served you'll get your Vader ?

If that's true, consider me happily punished.

pixletwin
06-12-2009, 05:13 PM
If justice is served you'll get your Vader !!!!!

Yes!!!!!!!

Oh wait... are you teasing me? :mad:

thenammagazine
06-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Oh. I was hoping it would be a Vader. :(

Nah, you're too fat. You'd probably eat him. But I wouldn't mind MaulFan posting that "Vader poster pose" on every page. That's an awesome shot MaulFan. :D

pixletwin
06-12-2009, 05:14 PM
If that's true, consider me happily punished.

:whip :love

DarthNeil
06-12-2009, 05:14 PM
More pictures.

Less talking.

Tarzan like Jane.

shocktrooper_au
06-12-2009, 05:15 PM
Awesome Pics Maulfan, a very well deserved prize, figure is spot on from the profiles as mentioned from the front it looks like the ESB version :P . Many people have said the the helmet looks to small for a head to go inside, it's funny I thought that when I put my 1:1 ROTS Vader helmet next to the EFX 1:1 Stormie when I first got it,its the nature of the enclosed design and black I guess.

pixletwin
06-12-2009, 05:17 PM
After all the pics and loving some more than others and fluctuating quite a bit - this pic is still my favorite.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/12.jpg

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 05:19 PM
Well, I believe also that the standard helmets for all the films when the reveal wasn't being shot was a fairly snug fit to the actors. There's a ROTS clip showing Hayden being assisted getting it on and having to tie his hair back. I have a so-so Don Post Vader mask and it'll go on my head but it's a real snug fit. Vader's helmet is a pretty form fitting one where Stormies, Clones, Fetts are all just like a space safety hat of sorts so they're a bit larger.

The mask on the Sideshow Vader head could easily house a 1/6 human portrait behind it.

The mask and collar are pretty much perfect, it's really the dome that everyone's having questions about.

Shalamar
06-12-2009, 05:20 PM
:horror

Yeah didn't see that. :lol That's REALLY big. Darth Vader was 7' 6"!? Looks nice regardless.

The height is about right. 14" Tall makes for about 7' properly scaled up.

David Prowse was 6'6", or 6'7" tall, in the suit, he likely would have been just shy of 7 feet tall.

I'm 6'6", and in my Vader costume, I top out at 6'10".

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 05:21 PM
After all the pics and loving some more than others and fluctuating quite a bit - this pic is still my favorite.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/12.jpg

Thanks, it's one of mine too. I said back when the Diplomatic Mission dio debuted that I'd just hold out for the 1/6 rendition, and I think it can look nice. Sure the figure neads a little boots to be elevated that the dio doesn't need, but still, it's really nice looking.

Devil_666
06-12-2009, 05:22 PM
The height is about right. 14" Tall makes for about 7' properly scaled up.

David Prowse was 6'6", or 6'7" tall, in the suit, he likely would have been just shy of 7 feet tall.

I'm 6'6", and in my Vader costume, I top out at 6'10".

Yeah I just remembered the HT Preds are a little short (Should be 15" imo). My bad.

DarthNeil
06-12-2009, 05:25 PM
Quoted again for awesomeness...



http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/23.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/24.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/25.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/26.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/27.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/28.jpg

shocktrooper_au
06-12-2009, 05:30 PM
Here's my fav's so far just awesome shots, really capture Vader IMO - the detail on the Joker/ Vader esp!
I know my ROTS helm isn't the same design, but still it's a good front on comparison

lerath666
06-12-2009, 05:32 PM
has anyone else read the comic 1-shot from darkhorse called "Purge" ?
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/5/51/Swpurgecover.jpg

It's was ok, it had vader face off with, and kil a handfull of jedi, then his clones took care of the rest.
anyways. It has vader is some fairly dynamic poses.

MY question/ request maulfan, is this.

Can you do some shots of vader is some rather... shall we say... Dynamic poses that he never assumed on-screen?

Perhaps facing off against ROTS Obi-want, OR
The armored General Kenobi.

just for fun, as it never happened, but I'd like to see how well vader can take on some dynamic poses.

lerath666
06-12-2009, 05:34 PM
persoanly, this is how i think my sithlord is getting posed.

http://www.freewebs.com/theforceunleashedbytheapprentice/Darth%20Vader%20%28final%20game%20look%29.jpg

lerath666
06-12-2009, 05:40 PM
good example of what i mean by "dynamic" poses for vader

http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_kotomcquarrie_1.jpg

http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2007/07/star-wars-darth-vader-james-earl-jones-to-be-voice-of-the-declaration-of-independence.jpg

or how about

http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/soulcalibur-iv-screenshot-darth-vader.jpg

http://streetknowledge.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/soulcalibur-iv-20080528003942082_640w.jpg
http://media.1up.com/media/03/4/6/7/lg/751.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n177/onionsaregross/sc4_pub_ss_vader_raphael_002-copy.jpg


yes, i know the real actor would have been somewhat restriced by the suit and armor, and the toy likely is as well, but still, that's the fun of it being a figure for me. posing them in ways they never were.

abake
06-12-2009, 05:45 PM
I doubt SST's (or anybody's) Vader can get to those extreme poses... I know Medi-Vader can't.

MaulFan
06-12-2009, 05:46 PM
I'll see what can be done, but some of my duel shots are about as dynamic as he gets.

Because of his armor, his arms can't really come a great deal forward, and because of the body suit, his legs can only open up so much.

The articulation of the figure pretty much mirrors Vader in ANH, robotic, semi stiff.

Anyway, that's why I've taken today off from taking pictures of Vader, I was getting so caught up in trying to do a lot right out the gate, I haven't stopped and really gotten into the "creative" stuff yet.

Shalamar
06-12-2009, 05:47 PM
One of the first things I'll try is to see what poses the SS Vader can do, that I cannot do in armor. Then modify the costume as needed. :)

OSCORP
06-12-2009, 06:00 PM
Dynamic poses next?

TheObsoleteMan
06-12-2009, 06:31 PM
I doubt SST's (or anybody's) Vader can get to those extreme poses... I know Medi-Vader can't.

Yeah, comics and videogames have the advantage of not having to deal with real world physics. I think you'd really have to cheat on the costume design to have him pulling of wild poses like that.

galactiboy
06-12-2009, 08:53 PM
After all the pics and loving some more than others and fluctuating quite a bit - this pic is still my favorite.

That is an excellent one... I really dig this one; guess we both like to see Vader picking people up :lol


http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/66.jpg

The Drizzle
06-12-2009, 10:06 PM
Very nice pics, MaulFan, thanks for sharing.
I'm really on the fence here.
(I know, I'm super-picky to it almost being an illness)
That head/body ratio really looks off. Not sure if it's a too small helmet, or maybe a too big body. With so much good stuff coming out, and Star Wars not being my focus, I'm going to have to do some hard thinking over the next week or two as to whether I am going to cancel or keep my pre-order. If Hot Toys were to get a SW license at some point, the figures would be so much better. I may want to just hold out and do without for the time being. The craftsmanship looks great, and the boots look a lot better than most Sideshow boots (most look goofy) but proportions are one of the biggest pet peeves of mine, I can't stand too-big or too-small looking heads.
I guess I could just get him, see him in person, and if I don't like him flip him. Maybe that's what I'll do.

Fia2k9
06-12-2009, 11:16 PM
what happened..........?

:huh

Devil_666
06-12-2009, 11:32 PM
Jeez.. you guys keep asking for a bigger helmet and you might end up with this instead:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9445/darkhelmet.png

The Drizzle
06-13-2009, 12:01 AM
Jeez.. you guys keep asking for a bigger helmet and you might end up with this instead:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9445/darkhelmet.png

Actually, that would be a pretty funny 1/6 figure to own. In my case, I just will not accept "almost" in a figure, because I did it for years, and it was a big waste of time and money trying to be accepting of things and/or doing "work" on them to make them more correct. I had pretty much gotten out of figure buying and then Hot Toys hit the scene, and figures actually showed up that I had pretty much no complaints about (which still kinda blows my mind). Sideshow still can't get a figure 100% right, or even 90% right, which I could probably accept. They still re-use the same poorly sculpted boots over and over, head size and paint is way inconsistent, and there are little details that bother me severely like neckties still not being a "real" mini necktie, but a fabric fold-over wrapped in thread continue to persist. Look at all the great looking protos that lose something in production, like Toht recently. I'm not trying to be HT fanboy, but more often than not, HT figures actually get *better* from proto to production. Don't get me wrong, I continue to have high hopes for Sideshow, I continue to hope they will step up the quality. They need to in this economy where people don't have as much to spend, and are having to be more choosy. I had so much expectation for this Darth Vader, but I just don't know that I can be very excited about him because his head just looks funny to me. I don't like to "settle". My cash is too precious these days for the figures to not be right or to have corner cuts.
Just my 2 cents, adjusted for inflation... :peace

Valfar
06-13-2009, 12:39 AM
The Drizzle, i totally agree with you..i am not going to grill you for the facts you stated.I think its a fair judgement and after all these figures do take a chunk out of our wallets..one of the reasons why i have only bought Hot Toys for the past few years now,i love their military figures and i think you get good bang for your buck with them.

That being said, Vader looks good still for the price we are paying and everything seems to look great on him though the helmet is off, the face sculpt is pretty nice and the lenses look way better then Medicoms..though Medicom Vader has been around for years now,i can't really feel the need to compare them but, this Vader will have a strong pressence on our shelves for sure.

Devil_666
06-13-2009, 12:42 AM
I hear you Drizzle.. I was just joking. I don't see it, but my view/opinion doesn't erase whatever problems someone else has with something. I understand that. Some people don't. And you see it over and over again on here (especially). Person A has a problem with a figure, Person B says "it's fine" and then Person B gets upset because that little statement (God Forbid) doesn't make Person A change their personal view. You're entitled to your opinion. So voice it. If people don't like it.. oh well.

Valfar
06-13-2009, 12:46 AM
This figure is going to look twice as good with two Stormtroopers flanking him, if they are Marmits even better. I think though i may have to pick up another SS Stormie at some point to complete the setup with Vader..as much as i hate doing the mods for the Stormtroopers but, they are the better/affordable route to go.

IrishJedi
06-13-2009, 12:52 AM
The mask on the Sideshow Vader head could easily house a 1/6 human portrait behind it.

The mask and collar are pretty much perfect, it's really the dome that everyone's having questions about.

Exactly. I have no issues with the mask at all. It's the dome that is undersized and throws off the look from straight-on angles.

IrishJedi
06-13-2009, 12:53 AM
what happened..........?

:huh

My guess: Lucasfilm. :(

I knew that the dome didn't looks this small when I saw it at SDCC last year. Very frustrating. :banghead

lerath666
06-13-2009, 01:25 AM
mebbie i'm just blind, but I see allmost no difference between the one at SDCC, and the one maulfan's snapping pics of...

THe helmet flares out a little more on the sdcc one, but that's all i see. and that can likely be fixed with some hot water, and some patience.

jedibear
06-13-2009, 06:53 AM
I'm pretty confident that once this figure is standing in front of most of us, any of these so-called issues are going to be non-existent. That's not to say "not there"...but the overall presentaion of the figure will be so great, it won't matter to most.

Sean's pictures have demonstrated to me that this figure is a knockout from any angle....

It's like the Stormtrooper....all that fuss about a certain piece of armor and...I just see a great sixth-scale version of this Trooper that had me so impressed by it that I bit the bullet and bought another...same with the 212th Trooper...lot's of complaints about some of the helmet details, and again....the overall excellent presentation of this figure renders any so-called "imperfections" mute for me.

It's great that folks are so stoked by Maulfan's superb presentation in this thread to take every detail of Vader to task, but for me...my Stormtroopers are awaiting their Dark Lord on the display shelf with great anticipation! :vader

Billy
06-13-2009, 07:56 AM
Congrats maulfan your very lucky and thank you for posting pictures.

Im not happy with the mask and dome but the costume is incredable looking.
He's going to need alot of custom work done.

But he is the best mass prodused vader iver ever seen.Im looking to when I get mine.

Billy

thenammagazine
06-13-2009, 08:00 AM
mebbie i'm just blind, but I see allmost no difference between the one at SDCC, and the one maulfan's snapping pics of...

THe helmet flares out a little more on the sdcc one, but that's all i see. and that can likely be fixed with some hot water, and some patience.

:lecture :lecture :lecture My thoughts exactly after reviewing the pics. Of course, this isn't meant to encourage the HT fanatic rants like the ones on the last page that plague just about every thread here. :rolleyes: I think the figure is well worth what we're paying for it.

Fia2k9
06-13-2009, 08:19 AM
so nobody thinks the sdcc prototype dome is actually lower in the back? Also, does the neck on the production model look abit long?

:confused::confused:

thenammagazine
06-13-2009, 08:21 AM
so nobody thinks the sdcc prototype dome is actually lower in the back? Also, does the neck on the production model look abit long?

:confused::confused:

I think it's more the lighting and head/camera placement.

lerath666
06-13-2009, 08:26 AM
I agree COMPLETELY with Nam on this one.

Creighton
06-13-2009, 08:36 AM
I think I have been reading this thread too much. I was all hyped up about getting this Darth Vader figure and now thanks to the general discussion, I am also concerned (as mentioned earlier) that the soles of Vaders shoes may not be screen accurate.

Im joking. I will NEVER criticize this figure as I only own the Hasbro version.

I think I am going to keep complaining about all the other SS SW figures, like Anakins robot arm peg, Ceremonial Luke and Bespin Han's Likeness, why Leia Boush's backpack wont stay on?, way too tall Luke stormtrooper, pantless Sidious!, sticky feet on stands, wires, loose clothing, glue and paint smudges...

What were we discussing again?

Fia2k9
06-13-2009, 08:41 AM
I too am a bit concerned, but...I find time and again that pictures cant compare to the figures in hand. With that I have posted my few cent's and will wait untill I am holding mine before I type another word on this matter.

In closing.. Mualfan is a photoshop Pro. Congrats once again on the great pics, and thanks for so many of them!

thenammagazine
06-13-2009, 08:52 AM
I think I have been reading this thread too much. I was all hyped up about getting this Darth Vader figure and now thanks to the general discussion, I am also concerned (as mentioned earlier) that the soles of Vaders shoes may not be screen accurate.

Im joking. I will NEVER criticize this figure as I only own the Hasbro version.

I think I am going to keep complaining about all the other SS SW figures, like Anakins robot arm peg, Ceremonial Luke and Bespin Han's Likeness, why Leia Boush's backpack wont stay on?, way too tall Luke stormtrooper, pantless Sidious!, sticky feet on stands, wires, loose clothing, glue and paint smudges...

What were we discussing again?

Postcount padding :rock :rock :rocks! :p

The Drizzle
06-13-2009, 10:44 AM
I absolutely agree he's the nicest mass-produced Vader yet, there's no doubt about that, but that still might not be enough to sway me. Part of what I have always liked about Vader was the bigness and imposing presence of his helmet, and no one really seems to capture that. I'm still considering going ahead and getting him and flipping him if he doesn't satisfy me, that's probably my best bet because I think I do need to see him in person.

IrishJedi
06-13-2009, 10:53 AM
same with the 212th Trooper...lot's of complaints about some of the helmet details, and again....the overall excellent presentation of this figure renders any so-called "imperfections" mute for me.

Actually, the complaints about the Utapau Trooper helmet happened when pics of the prototype first appeared. And thanks to the "complaints" from some of us, Sideshow improved it considerably. So... you're welcome. :p

katkuru
06-13-2009, 11:13 AM
I think for what you get at that price point it is the best mass produced Vader figure to date. Sure there are some minor issues; visible stiches, one piece boots/shin guards, small helmet etc, but in my book those are minor nick picky items. Most of us customize all our stuff, i know i do. Nothing comes perfect. Vader will be no different, all these issues are quick cheap fixes.

Even the helmet issue, man you guys wait and see all you gotta do is use the Hasbro helmet and bam! Perfection!
I've been waiting for something of this quality since Kenner released the original 14" Vader!

I've also made several custom Vader's over the years and let me tell you it is not cheap! Basically building a lot of things from scratch, kit bashing parts, body modifiying etc. All those things can add up to over $300 plus easy!

With SSC Vader 95% of him is there, seems to me the rest of the upgrades are cake!

I for one cant wait to get my hands on him!

IrishJedi
06-13-2009, 11:16 AM
I don't recall anyone rushing to cancel this thing because of its minor faults. I see the under-sized dome, but I'm still stoked for the figure and there is no doubt it's the best 1/6 Vader yet and apparently a good product for the pricepoint.

The Drizzle
06-13-2009, 11:49 AM
I think for what you get at that price point it is the best mass produced Vader figure to date.

Absolutely, I agree!


Even the helmet issue, man you guys wait and see all you gotta do is use the Hasbro helmet and bam! Perfection!

See, this is where you and I diverge. I'm not buying something else to fix it, money's getting tight. That, and I would see the difference between the head plastic, and the Hasbro helmet plastic. Sometimes I think it might be smart for me to wait for the next SS Vader and see if the kinks get worked out.


I've been waiting for something of this quality since Kenner released the original 14" Vader!

It's funny you say that- that is the only Vader I have owned that I really liked, and part of that is because his helmet was properly scaled. He had the right imposing quality. He is actually the standard I measure things against. He was super good for his time.


I've also made several custom Vader's over the years and let me tell you it is not cheap! Basically building a lot of things from scratch, kit bashing parts, body modifiying etc. All those things can add up to over $300 plus easy!

This is why I pretty much only want perfection that needs the most minor of tweaks these days- I have wasted just tons of money over my 42 years trying to fix and futz figures. I pretty much only want trouble-free figures that I don't have to spend money on to fix, and if it costs over $100, it should not need any fixing.

(oh, and BTW, please don't take this as arguing- it occurs to me that due to this being the intarwebz we can't really see the attitude and intention of the person posting- I'm just bringing up what pops up in my mind as I look at it, and try to weigh the merits of the purchase!)

Billy
06-13-2009, 11:56 AM
Maybe sanding the inside top down of the dome can help improve it alittle and hide the neckbrace so he can be true anh ?

The dome is also too high more like esb and rotj.

Why did they give him a neckbrace ?

These might be easy mods ?

Billy

The Mike
06-13-2009, 12:05 PM
Mike, your signature and the image you posted just got me in trouble at work. :nono I had to assure them this isn't a porn site. :lol

:lol Hey don't blame me, blame the fact that in 2008 alone 20% of men admit accessing and 13% of women admit accessing pornography at work.

70% of all internet porn traffic occurs during the 9-to-5 workday. :dunno

katkuru
06-13-2009, 12:07 PM
Drizzle,
Your points are all well taken. I agree if a figure cost a certain price point you should not have to fix it.
But, the customizer in me likes to tweak something, that way I can tell myself that I'm the only person in the world with a one of a kind figure!
You are absolutely correct Classic Kenner Vader is the Bomb!

The Drizzle
06-13-2009, 12:09 PM
:lol Hey don't blame me, blame the fact that in 2008 alone 20% of men admit accessing and 13% of women admit accessing pornography at work.

70% of all internet porn traffic occurs during the 9-to-5 workday. :dunno

Isn't porn the main thing the internet was made for? :rotfl

DarthNeil
06-13-2009, 12:35 PM
I think we're getting sidetracked gentlemen (and I use that term loosely)-- by porn no less.

Darth Vader... Pictures... Enjoy...

JGouse0498
06-13-2009, 12:39 PM
I think we're getting sidetracked gentlemen (and I use that term loosely)-- by porn no less.

Darth Vader... Pictures... Enjoy...

MaulFan... Taking a break... No new pictures to enjoy right now...

:lol :lol :monkey5

MaulFan
06-13-2009, 12:40 PM
I find the lack of faith disturbing.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/13.jpg

MaulFan
06-13-2009, 12:40 PM
MaulFan... Taking a break... No new pictures to enjoy right now...

Tomorrow, I promise, i'm actually leaving for the day in a minute.

JGouse0498
06-13-2009, 12:53 PM
Tomorrow, I promise, i'm actually leaving for the day in a minute.

Hey, no worries. Take your time. I'd be taking a break too if I were you. I just busting on our mod's comment. :D

Deak Starkiller
06-13-2009, 12:56 PM
I find the lack of faith disturbing.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/13.jpg

That's what I'm talking about! :rock

DarthNeil
06-13-2009, 12:58 PM
Hey, no worries. Take your time. I'd be taking a break too if I were you. I just busting on our mod's comment. :D

No, you're trying to legitimize your obsession with pornography.

:monkey1 :drool
:lightsabe :drool
:moon :drool

:eek

:D

(and when you start seeing it everywhere it's time for an intervention) :monkey3

OSCORP
06-13-2009, 01:00 PM
Did MF ever post any images of the redish tint from lens's? I may have missed it.

pixletwin
06-13-2009, 01:02 PM
Here ya go Krayt

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16372&d=1244852926

OSCORP
06-13-2009, 01:24 PM
I don't see it in that pic. Maybe flash would help or gotta have it in hand.

paulcarson
06-13-2009, 01:28 PM
Did a quick photoshop to lower the helmet , think it still looks pretty cool !

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/paulcarson/HELM.jpg

paulcarson
06-13-2009, 01:42 PM
I've also lowered it to show the side view. Definately going to do this to mine when it arrives ! Thanks again for some cool pics Sean !

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/paulcarson/9helmet.jpg

Sachiel
06-13-2009, 01:48 PM
The helmet does look like it was changed.

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/mov_qtvr/2129-QTVR.mov

The Chaver
06-13-2009, 02:48 PM
The helmet does look like it was changed.

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/mov_qtvr/2129-QTVR.mov

That sucks! Why does ^^^^ like this happen? Was it more cost effective to go with the INCORRECT helmet vs the CORRECT one?? LFL with there ridiculous licensing schemes?? Or was it packaging/shipping? Every time you think your going to get a perfect representation of a figure this same old bull^^^^ happens. Not to say this isn't a cool figure, but it could have been perfect. I hate looking at a collectible and thinking, if they would have only did this or that it would have looked better? :huh

I mean the money is there, there should be no reason why they had to change it. Even LFL should have no reason or excuse to put out an incorrect version of something other than so they can keep making these things (money). I'm sure everyone here would be hard pressed to buy another New Hope Vader 5 years down the road by some other misc. company if it was done perfect/right this time around with Sideshow. But then that would leave LFL and the companies that produce this stuff out of business, money..

Oh well, here's hoping that we get a perfect Vader someday, or any figure for that matter.

DCFett
06-13-2009, 03:30 PM
The helmet does look like it was changed.

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/mov_qtvr/2129-QTVR.mov

Dayum, that's irrefutable. :crying

Wanna thank MF for the pics, tho. Very nice.

IrishJedi
06-13-2009, 03:38 PM
Yeah, I'd say it's pretty cut-and-dried now. The dome was changed. And not for the better.

lerath666
06-13-2009, 03:49 PM
Even after watching the video, I'm still not seeing it. can someone shop them together for me so i can see the changed?

Darklord Dave
06-13-2009, 03:49 PM
I'm not convinced there's anything wrong with the helmet, but if there were changes, it could be a variety of things -i.e. Lucasfilm requested it, the factory screwed up and wouldn't make the corrections without an additional outlay of funds for new tooling that couldn't be done without a huge delay and costs that would far exceed the budget for the figure, or maybe it's just people are looking for something wrong like they always do with SSC figures.

IrishJedi
06-13-2009, 03:54 PM
It's certainly one of your first 2 theories, Dave.

I wasn't wanting anything to go wrong with this figure. And like I already said, it's not a deal-breaker. Overall, it's great. But the smaller dome does prevent it from being a complete homerun and now many of us are going to want to customize or replace the dome.

The Drizzle
06-13-2009, 04:02 PM
Same here, Dave-
I wouldn't have bothered to make sure I was online for the SE preorder if I really didn't have high hopes for it. I know I criticize SS 1:6 stuff a lot, but I also order with full hope that each one is going to be "the one that finally blows me away", and I like to see my money go to American companies when it can. Fact remains, though that far too often there is a corner-cut or a scale issue that ends up leaving me unsatisfied. I'm not happy about it, believe me. I wish I wasn't as picky.

OSCORP
06-13-2009, 04:18 PM
It's small for sure no doubt about it. No biggie to me, just keeps it from being a 10/10. Instead we have a 9/10...Fine by me!

shocktrooper_au
06-13-2009, 04:21 PM
Looking at the movie, I dont think it was changed I think they just altered the angle it sits at

AngryEwok
06-13-2009, 04:32 PM
Yeah, I think it's just the angle, as well. Remember how people made a dig deal about the stormtrooper having no neck? All you had to do was pop the head of, then set it back on.

Darklord Dave
06-13-2009, 04:35 PM
Same here, Dave-
Fact remains, though that far too often there is a corner-cut or a scale issue that ends up leaving me unsatisfied. I'm not happy about it, believe me. I wish I wasn't as picky.

The scenario I described isn't exactly "corner cutting" but the realities of business.

And believe me, we ALL wish you weren't so picky...:monkey3

silentman116
06-13-2009, 04:38 PM
Even after watching the video, I'm still not seeing it. can someone shop them together for me so i can see the changed?

Here they are together:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sithlord116/protovsprod.jpg

It definitely looks like something was changed from prototype to production piece. Very strange. Still, this is Sideshow's best figure by far, and even his LDS (little dome syndrome) can't temper my excitement for this one! I hope arrival notices start showing up in the next couple of weeks...

TheObsoleteMan
06-13-2009, 04:40 PM
I doubt any changes have anything to do with Lucasfilm, that stuff would get taken care of at the prototype stage like it did with Mace and Bespin Luke. If there are differences, my guess would be a problem with the molding during production.

Personally, I think the helmest design itself looks fine. The overall head size is just a bit on the small side imo. Not a deal breaker though.

DCFett
06-13-2009, 04:43 PM
Just take a look at the angle of the helmet to the plane of the shoulder. The angle is ever so slighty different, but makes the "bell" of the helmet look like his "hair line" is too high.
Ever seen guys with bad line after a haircut? :)
Well, Vader has a bit of a Timmy-Fade! :)

It's still cool, just that QVR makes him look ultra-badda$$

DinoLast
06-13-2009, 04:45 PM
If look at 3.58 in this video the helmet looks fine, but go to 5.00 and the Helmet looks slightly different

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IrishJedi
06-13-2009, 04:47 PM
:lol You guys and your "angles". Just look at that straight-on comparison. It's obvious.

DCFett
06-13-2009, 04:50 PM
:lol You guys and your "angles". Just look at that straight-on comparison. It's obvious.

Hey, the angle of the dome is everything outside of size :naughty

Darth Madden
06-13-2009, 04:57 PM
I only have one thing to say about this thread and about the dome...

:banghead

We get it... its too small... time to move on.

automaton
06-13-2009, 05:05 PM
after watching the posted video, i think the more important question is...

what made the Blockade Runner feel that putting a few soldiers at the front door be of any consequence to a Star Destroyer?

DCFett
06-13-2009, 05:25 PM
What made the ant think he could move that rubber tree plant????

The Mike
06-13-2009, 05:26 PM
High hopes? :dunno

AngryEwok
06-13-2009, 05:47 PM
what made the Blockade Runner feel that putting a few soldiers at the front door be of any consequence to a Star Destroyer?

...so would you just throw your gun down and surrender? To each his own. IMHO, the Rebel Fleet Troopers were badasses.

D'oh!
06-13-2009, 06:09 PM
MaulFan, here's a question about the cape (sorry, guys): how does it attach, and can it be placed over the neck of the helmet? Sometimes in ANH, you can see the black chain that holds it together -- I think Vader looks more regal that way.

For a Sith lord, that is.

Commtech
06-13-2009, 06:31 PM
Big or small dome, I'm still getting this, but I'm glad I have hurricane Vader coming too.:banana

The Drizzle
06-13-2009, 06:55 PM
The scenario I described isn't exactly "corner cutting" but the realities of business.

And believe me, we ALL wish you weren't so picky...:monkey3

I wasn't really meaning corner cutting on Vader, per se, but lots of other SS 1:6 stuff, like the way clothing, ties, etc are made. The same old pair of ugly, too-small footed black boots show up on so many figures, etc. Other than the head issue, Vader looks like one of SS's best pieces so far, a step in the right direction, to be sure.
I really *do* like SS, though, I certainly don't mean to be a P.I.T.A., I'm just very opinionated about what I'll spend my money on these days, and too many SS items lose something from proto to being in hand. I'm just glad we can discuss this stuff in a civilized manner here because I think constructive criticism has the potential to make everything better. :D

pixletwin
06-13-2009, 07:26 PM
Looks to me like its a simple matter of angle. But we will all find out soon.


Here they are together:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/sithlord116/protovsprod.jpg

It definitely looks like something was changed from prototype to production piece. Very strange. Still, this is Sideshow's best figure by far, and even his LDS (little dome syndrome) can't temper my excitement for this one! I hope arrival notices start showing up in the next couple of weeks...

Valfar
06-13-2009, 07:30 PM
Unless SS really listens to the fans about the dome problem,i think this one used on the ANH version will be the standard mold for the next Vaders to come, with just having some tweaks to the armour and faceplate,saber etc.

EVILFACE
06-13-2009, 07:30 PM
They both look like straight on shots to me, no angle. the original dome is still a tad narrow, but the flares look good.

pixletwin
06-13-2009, 07:35 PM
The funny thing is I seem to remember a documentary on the ROTS DVD about the costume crew having a really hard time getting Vader's helmet right in 1:1. Let alone doing it in 1:6.

Darth Waller
06-13-2009, 07:39 PM
It's small for sure no doubt about it. No biggie to me, just keeps it from being a 10/10. Instead we have a 9/10...Fine by me!

:lecture :lecture :lecture

Valfar
06-13-2009, 07:47 PM
The funny thing is I seem to remember a documentary on the ROTS DVD about the costume crew having a really hard time getting Vader's helmet right in 1:1. Let alone doing it in 1:6.

Hard time?, with what?..that helmet was a new perfectly symetrical mold with a smaller faceplate to enhance the samurai look the dome would give off, this helmet also has flat lenses and overall the helmet was jet black..its the most stand out helmet of all the Vader helmets i would say, if anything they had more of an issue getting the helmet right for the old movies.

JustinLuck
06-13-2009, 08:38 PM
From this pic, you can see that Vader's mask (not just the dome) is massive. To fit comfortably on the actor's head, it had to be big. I'm surprised Sideshow went too small after making their heads on the large size all this time.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/abake_2007/Episode_4_Darth_Vader_Points_Leia.jpg

DCFett
06-13-2009, 08:47 PM
They do so much funny stuff in the movies, it's hard to tell who's what height!?:huh
Just look at Robert D. Jr and Terrenc Howard. They make those guys seem almost even height, but we know RDJ has those Prince stilts on! :wacky

arnax161
06-13-2009, 08:51 PM
This figure is amazing. The last 1/6 Vader I had was the Kenner one from the 1970s. I remember looking at that figure and wondering what lead this man to this fate. Anyway, I feel the figure is really great and I can't wait to get it.:D

automaton
06-13-2009, 09:18 PM
i believe the issue with the ROTS helmet was getting a it perfectly symmetrical... the previous helmets were not and in my opinion, add to the personality of the visual... i mean, the human face is not symmetrical, but unless one really studies it, it isn't noticeable.

automaton
06-13-2009, 09:20 PM
...so would you just throw your gun down and surrender? To each his own. IMHO, the Rebel Fleet Troopers were badasses.



why would they Fleet Troopers fire upon their government, especially if they were simply on a diplomatic mission?

lerath666
06-13-2009, 09:33 PM
even with the pic, I'm still not seeing it. it looks like a wonky angle to me.
one head is strait up and down, the other is sligtly tilted back.

another possibility is the dome is being put on the figures incorrectly.

AngryEwok
06-13-2009, 10:02 PM
why would they Fleet Troopers fire upon their government, especially if they were simply on a diplomatic mission?

Something about stolen plans? Angled domes? I dunno. :r2d2line

Valfar
06-13-2009, 10:52 PM
I can actually say, from that last pic with Vader and Leia..if you listen to the way Vader says "i want to know what happend to the plans they sent you" sounds similar to how Hayden spoke as Anakin/Vader in ROTS when he got angry..the tone of voice is similar.

Wanderer
06-14-2009, 12:42 AM
I remember looking at that figure and wondering what lead this man to this fate.

...It was realising he'd just been in three god awful prequel films

Sachiel
06-14-2009, 12:53 AM
why would they Fleet Troopers fire upon their government, especially if they were simply on a diplomatic mission?

Didn't the Stormtroopers rush in firing. :lol\

The fleet troopers knew they were in the ^^^^.

Also, it was cool. :cool:

automaton
06-14-2009, 01:25 AM
that is my point... it was cool!

we can either deconstruct the memories of our childhood, or we can celebrate them... i bet the pot heads who originally sculpted Vader's dome in the 70s had no idea we would be putting up such a fuss over it!

Lucas doesn't give a rat's a$$ about costume continuity, why should we?

DinoLast
06-14-2009, 03:58 AM
Well if a ROTJ Vader comes out, I guess it will have to have helmet large enough to have an Anakin reveal underneath. Plus, if you hold on waiting for Sideshow to make one of them, you might have to require an enormous amount of patience

The Drizzle
06-14-2009, 04:01 AM
that is my point... it was cool!
Lucas doesn't give a rat's a$$ about costume continuity, why should we?

You know, he really doesn't. He's really let the SW universe become a convoluted mess. I can't stand that Clone Wars kiddie show. :monkey4 Before Episode III came out, I was really hoping when we finally saw the reveal of Vader for the first time, he would be in an armor that seemed more "prototypical" rather than exactly like the armor in the original trilogy pretty much. I hoped it would look more like Ralph McQuarrie's original illustrations. In fact, I wish someone would do a 1:6 McQuarrie Vader, that would be my dream Vader figure. He looked so angular and cool. :D

Darren Carnall
06-14-2009, 05:04 AM
it's a mixture of things. His neck is sitting higher on his shoulders, how his cape/shoulders/back goes up to his neck, how high the dome is sitting on the mask, and the angle it's at.... i'm not even convinced it's too small anymore.

But it does make it LOOK smaller

Cap'n Cook
06-14-2009, 08:09 AM
Hmmm, this looks pretty good. Like the size of him, but the helmet looks a little small.

Glad I have a Hurricane Vader on order really.

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 09:20 AM
Well if a ROTJ Vader comes out, I guess it will have to have helmet large enough to have an Anakin reveal underneath. Plus, if you hold on waiting for Sideshow to make one of them, you might have to require an enormous amount of patience

It really wouldn't have to be bigger for a reveal, the helmet and mask are in the right scale now to house a portrait inside.


it's a mixture of things. His neck is sitting higher on his shoulders, how his cape/shoulders/back goes up to his neck, how high the dome is sitting on the mask, and the angle it's at.... i'm not even convinced it's too small anymore.

But it does make it LOOK smaller

You are correct Darren. The head isn't sitting on the body exactly like in the movie, I believe to give the figure more articulation. Even though Prowse didn't have much in the movie, it's nice to have some versatility with figures, I've certainly enjoyed the poses I'm able to get out of the head because of how this figure is made.

eczamurai
06-14-2009, 10:40 AM
oi maulfan, how tall does he stand in cm? :O

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 10:43 AM
oi maulfan, how tall does he stand in cm? :O

About 34-35cm.

Vonhahn
06-14-2009, 11:25 AM
No shiat right. :rolleyes:

I'm amazed by how many people are being so critical of a figure they have never seen in person, never touched, and have no idea what they are talking about until they actually have one in hand. But that's just me I guess. I'm reserving my review of Vader until I...you know...actually see one in person...

:emperor

eczamurai
06-14-2009, 11:27 AM
arg it wont fit my shelve!

Vonhahn
06-14-2009, 11:28 AM
I'm not convinced there's anything wrong with the helmet, but if there were changes, it could be a variety of things -i.e. Lucasfilm requested it, the factory screwed up and wouldn't make the corrections without an additional outlay of funds for new tooling that couldn't be done without a huge delay and costs that would far exceed the budget for the figure, or maybe it's just people are looking for something wrong like they always do with SSC figures.

Amen DD.......

:emperor

The Josh
06-14-2009, 11:58 AM
we can either deconstruct the memories of our childhood, or we can celebrate them... i bet the pot heads who originally sculpted Vader's dome in the 70s had no idea we would be putting up such a fuss over it!

Lucas doesn't give a rat's a$$ about costume continuity, why should we?

I agree. I think thats the major issue with folks collecting now. We're too busy deconstructing everything that we fail to enjoy what we get and how well it does match up to that.

paulcarson
06-14-2009, 12:03 PM
that is my point... it was cool!

we can either deconstruct the memories of our childhood, or we can celebrate them... i bet the pot heads who originally sculpted Vader's dome in the 70s had no idea we would be putting up such a fuss over it!

Lucas doesn't give a rat's a$$ about costume continuity, why should we?

Just to set the record straight , the man who sculpted Vader's mask/ helmet originally - Brian Muir was not a pot head and he is fully aware of folks making a fuss over his sculpt - believe me !

RICEaRONI
06-14-2009, 12:31 PM
Just to set the record straight , the man who sculpted Vader's mask/ helmet originally - Brian Muir was not a pot head and he is fully aware of folks making a fuss over his sculpt - believe me !

hahaha classic

DinoLast
06-14-2009, 12:32 PM
I'm amazed by how many people are being so critical of a figure they have never seen in person, never touched, and have no idea what they are talking about until they actually have one in hand. But that's just me I guess. I'm reserving my review of Vader until I...you know...actually see one in person...

:emperor

I have said the very same thing on the Henry Jones thread.
Vader is an awesome looking figure and Sideshow's best to date.

IrishJedi
06-14-2009, 12:50 PM
Just to set the record straight , the man who sculpted Vader's mask/ helmet originally - Brian Muir was not a pot head and he is fully aware of folks making a fuss over his sculpt - believe me !

:lol Owned.

JustinLuck
06-14-2009, 01:34 PM
Here he is.

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/S1.jpg

Here's a couple screenshots to compare with:

http://i44.tinypic.com/5ydif5.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zz2hph.jpg

Puay
06-14-2009, 01:42 PM
Now I clearly see why are there complains about the dome. For me its the height that bug me more. Though not so visible in these comparison shots, earlier images does show SSC gave Vader, Chewie's height.

Edit: Do correct me if I am wrong. I realise I can't be comparing his height with any Stormtroopers in the movies since Stormies come in difference height. Vader does seem a little too tall in the group photo that MF took with the rest of the figures from ANH.

Sachiel
06-14-2009, 02:32 PM
If he is too tall, it is not by much. It's better than being too small.

He does look like an imposing figure which is perfect for Vader.

RICEaRONI
06-14-2009, 02:43 PM
Now I clearly see why are there complains about the dome. For me its the height that bug me more. Though not so visible in these comparison shots, earlier images does show SSC gave Vader, Chewie's height.

Edit: Do correct me if I am wrong. I realise I can't be comparing his height with any Stormtroopers in the movies since Stormies come in difference height. Vader does seem a little too tall in the group photo that MF took with the rest of the figures from ANH.

well chewie is 2.28 meters tall and Vader is 2.02 meters tall. so maybe they made him a little too tall but its better than too short

katkuru
06-14-2009, 03:04 PM
MF, not sure if you tried this or not but I would like to know if the SS Vader can do this pose:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/POKIGURL/DSC07293.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/POKIGURL/DSC07294.jpg
Thanks for all the pics.

Darklord Dave
06-14-2009, 03:10 PM
Here's a couple screenshots to compare with:

http://i44.tinypic.com/5ydif5.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zz2hph.jpg

Thanks for that - but Vader isn't the same size in the frame in those pics - notice the chest pieces are also smaller on the figure.

Here's a gif made from those two images. The cape is higher on the neck, as we know the chain was over the helmet in this scene. And I'll admit, it does look like the helmet needs a bit more flare out on the bottom, but the size seems okay.

Liked because it's too big.
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/images/Vader_ss_trans.gif

DCFett
06-14-2009, 03:40 PM
Again, irrefutable Timmy Fade Vader :D

BTW, that gif is sweet! Wish someone would have done that with the Utapau.

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 03:43 PM
Thanks for that - but Vader isn't the same size in the frame in those pics - notice the chest pieces are also smaller on the figure.

Here's a gif made from those two images. The cape is higher on the neck, as we know the chain was over the helmet in this scene. And I'll admit, it does look like the helmet needs a bit more flare out on the bottom, but the size seems okay.

Liked because it's too big.
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/images/Vader_ss_trans.gif

That is correct Dave. 85% of the reason the helmet looks off to people is tied to how the head itself is mounted to the figure, 10% to do with the slope of the cone part from a profile view, and 5% the length of the flaring part.

The head is a perfect 1/6 scale of Vader to me, so if it seems small, then it's the body that's the issue. When people actually get their Vader figures, they'll see that if you increased the size of the head on this figure you'd have a freaky looking Vader like the old Hasbro where the Head was poorly sized compared to the rest of the figure and other figures in Hasbro's offering.

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 03:45 PM
MF, not sure if you tried this or not but I would like to know if the SS Vader can do this pose:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/POKIGURL/DSC07293.jpg
Thanks for all the pics.

No, this Vader cannot do that.

I hope that because this was A New Hope Vader where he mostly walked and stood, very little dynamic posing, they did the body suit the way they did and for one like Empire where being able to kneel would be great, they'll make some adjustments to allow that.

Vader's body is capable of the kneeling pose, but the body suit is restrictive on the legs of this figure.

lerath666
06-14-2009, 03:51 PM
Just so We know, is the suit simply to tight to allow this?

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 03:53 PM
Just so We know, is the suit simply to tight to allow this?

Yes, the legs are loose enough you can get some pretty good spread leg saber stances, but it's not loose enough to allow a bent knee.

Again, at this point, I'm not holding something like that against this figure, I believe it was made and designed to serve the purpose of only representing A New Hope, which means it doesn't have to be able to do everything, and future figures of Vader will be made to do the sorts of things Vader was seen doing on screen. As it is, this Vader can do everything Vader did in A New Hope.

Amir
06-14-2009, 03:59 PM
Still sucks that the articulation is restricted like that, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Sideshow to purposely restrict articulation of a figure because the character in the movie didn't perform certain poses...

The Drizzle
06-14-2009, 04:00 PM
As it is, this Vader can do everything Vader did in A New Hope.

Then everyone had better hide their Kenobi figures! :rotfl

The Drizzle
06-14-2009, 04:05 PM
Still sucks that the articulation is restricted like that, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Sideshow to purposely restrict articulation of a figure because the character in the movie didn't perform certain poses...

In this case, I suspect it's more of a function of looks over use. At least in my mind it's better to have the outfit fit correctly, and look good. A 1:6 figure does not act like a real person- the fabric is of a smaller scale, etc. I would think a fabric that allowed a lot of dynamic poses would be too thick to look good, and I actually don't mind losing a little articulation in the name of good looks. If I do like him and keep him (and it's possible I will, Dave's .gif was helpful there) I wouldn't be doing any real action poses anyway, I'd just have him lording over other figures in a menacing manner. Maybe pointing that finger at the Godfather. :lol

Darth Madden
06-14-2009, 04:19 PM
Then everyone had better hide their Kenobi figures! :rotfl

Good advice. I know how that goes. :D
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=123&pictureid=1415

DinoLast
06-14-2009, 04:20 PM
I love the fact that he's so tall.
As brilliant as the new Hot Toys Predator is, it should have towered over Dutch.

Amir
06-14-2009, 04:37 PM
In this case, I suspect it's more of a function of looks over use. At least in my mind it's better to have the outfit fit correctly, and look good. A 1:6 figure does not act like a real person- the fabric is of a smaller scale, etc. I would think a fabric that allowed a lot of dynamic poses would be too thick to look good, and I actually don't mind losing a little articulation in the name of good looks. If I do like him and keep him (and it's possible I will, Dave's .gif was helpful there) I wouldn't be doing any real action poses anyway, I'd just have him lording over other figures in a menacing manner. Maybe pointing that finger at the Godfather. :lol

I see your point but would have been happier with more choice for articulation, nothing crazy dynamic but at the very lease it would have been nice to be able to have him kneel, 1/6 scale is cool because the figures are like high quality large size figures that can be posed and manipulated into different/interesting poses, not just boring static stiff poses, its not a statue but a figure so articulation should be there.

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 04:40 PM
I see your point but would have been happier with more choice for articulation, nothing crazy dynamic but at the very lease it would have been nice to be able to have him kneel, 1/6 scale is cool because the figures are like high quality large size figures that can be posed and manipulated into different/interesting poses, not just boring static stiff poses, its not a statue but a figure so articulation should be there.

And I feel very confident it'll be present on an ESB/ROTJ Vader. It sucks that it's missing on this one for those hoping to only have one Vader, but for those wanting multiples and looking forward to ESB/ROTJ, I think we'll be rewarded.

Amir
06-14-2009, 04:58 PM
That makes sense, just curious how you think they will achieve more articulation with the ESB/ROTJ versions MaulFan?

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 05:05 PM
That makes sense, just curious how you think they will achieve more articulation with the ESB/ROTJ versions MaulFan?

I would guess a looser fitting jumpsuit or something different with the boots and how the suit runs into them or a combination of both. It just needs a little extra material in the legs to get him to do it, the body is able, just being held back on this one.

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 05:08 PM
http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/67.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/68.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/69.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/70.jpg

http://www.swmmedia.com/SIDESHOW/STARWARS/ANHVADER/71.jpg

RICEaRONI
06-14-2009, 05:10 PM
w00t new pics. damn I'm getting antsy every time I look at a new pic

Sachiel
06-14-2009, 05:18 PM
It doesn't have the chain for the cape?


Outer cape with chain clasp

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 05:34 PM
It doesn't have the chain for the cape?

Didn't they say it would?

The chain is there, and a nice pleather trim to the collar, but, if you look at these stills, it seems like the only time you saw that trim and the chain was on Tantive IV. The collar is too small to go around the mask, I think they made it with full detail, but made it small so that it would hide under his mask just as it did in the movie. I really like this figure, but these sorts of details are why ANH Vader is my least favorite setup of his costume, the black right tusk, no chain, tunic over the chest armor.

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/A_New_Hope/darth9.jpg

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/A_New_Hope/Isensesomething-ANH-vcap.jpg

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/A_New_Hope/darth13.jpg

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/A_New_Hope/Vader3vcap.jpg

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/A_New_Hope/vader01.jpg

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/A_New_Hope/Vader10vcap.jpg

Actually even some of the Tantive IV stuff had it hiding.

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/A_New_Hope/Takeheraway-ANH-vcap.jpg

These are the only times I found where you see it in the movie.

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/A_New_Hope/Vader13-ANH-vcap.jpg

http://multimedia.theforce.net/museum/images/Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Darth_Vader/A_New_Hope/darth2.jpg

Sachiel
06-14-2009, 05:41 PM
Ah, OK. Thanks.

Wow, didn't even notice that one tusk was black on the figure, too.

automaton
06-14-2009, 05:46 PM
Just to set the record straight , the man who sculpted Vader's mask/ helmet originally - Brian Muir was not a pot head and he is fully aware of folks making a fuss over his sculpt - believe me !

sorry, i wasn't meaning "pot - head" in a literal way... from the interviews i had read, the actual production of Vader's original helmet was very smooth and casual... just art happening... Lucas seemed very happy to just let the artists create. 30 some odd years later, we are behaving like some corporate committee brooding over every little detail... pot head was an analogy as to how uptight we can be in comparison (i can understand one misunderstanding my intent due to my lack of text).

granted, SST's offering does not reflect the incredible menacing vibe of the ANH screen used helmet... i think it is a cool looking Vader, just not a terribly faithful depiction of ANH Vader...

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 05:47 PM
Wow, didn't even notice that one tusk was black on the figure, too.

Yup, Sideshow really did craft this one down to tiny detail to replicate the A New Hope look specifically, so much so, I'm sure we'll see at least one more Vader to give us an alternate look.

RICEaRONI
06-14-2009, 06:16 PM
The chain is there, and a nice pleather trim to the collar, but, if you look at these stills, it seems like the only time you saw that trim and the chain was on Tantive IV. The collar is too small to go around the mask, I think they made it with full detail, but made it small so that it would hide under his mask just as it did in the movie. I really like this figure, but these sorts of details are why ANH Vader is my least favorite setup of his costume, the black right tusk, no chain, tunic over the chest armor.

I agree that the ANH costume is my least favorite out of the four. Hopefully SST uses this as a stepping stone for future Vaders :naughty

JacktheRipper
06-14-2009, 06:18 PM
maul, I see why this movie incarnation of vader isn't you favorite, but for the reasons you don't like it I love it. I can just imagine the crew trying to put this costume together in the 70's on a film many in the industry had little to no hope in. That's the charm of this costume for me. The later versions were more polished, but this is the version this little L.A. kid saw with as wide as you could open you eyes and mouth when vader hit the screen.:horror

pixletwin
06-14-2009, 06:18 PM
I agree that the ANH costume is my least favorite out of the four. Hopefully SST uses this as a stepping stone for future Vaders :naughty

I am pretty sure they did ANH first to work out a lot of production kinks. Sort of like they did releasing Clonobi before any other armored figure. Its one that can afford to have a learning curve.

RICEaRONI
06-14-2009, 06:22 PM
I am pretty sure they did ANH first to work out a lot of production kinks. Sort of like they did releasing Clonobi before any other armored figure. Its one that can afford to have a learning curve.

true story. lets just hope if they do another one it doesnt take a year after the reveal for the release

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 06:25 PM
I am pretty sure they did ANH first to work out a lot of production kinks. Sort of like they did releasing Clonobi before any other armored figure. Its one that can afford to have a learning curve.

I also imagine it's probably the easiest to work with, so rather than take on a challenge first, start out on the easier one, figure out if you can get it down right, and then work your way up.

I'm not sure if ANH Vader can be grouped with Clonobi in terms of being a test dummy, it seems to me like the ANH Vader is a treasured incarnation by many, not me, but a lot of other folks certainly, Clonobi was really a special interest piece.

pixletwin
06-14-2009, 06:29 PM
I also imagine it's probably the easiest to work with, so rather than take on a challenge first, start out on the easier one, figure out if you can get it down right, and then work your way up.

I'm not sure if ANH Vader can be grouped with Clonobi in terms of being a test dummy, it seems to me like the ANH Vader is a treasured incarnation by many, not me, but a lot of other folks certainly, Clonobi was really a special interest piece.

How is that your first paragraph can be at odds with your second paragraph. :lol

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 06:33 PM
How is that your first paragraph can be at odds with your second paragraph. :lol

I don't think it is, or I badly conveyed my points :lol. My first paragraph was to say I think they started ANH because it would be the easiest to tackle first. The point of my second paragraph was that I felt at no time would it cross anyone's mind that ANH Vader could be a fluff off figure if something went wrong. If the mindset were something like Clonobi where if there were issues, at least it wouldn't be a fan favorite, then I'd say Revenge of the Sith Vader would fall under that case, if that one was a train wreck, it wouldn't break many hearts, but ANH has a lot more folks invested in how it turns out.

turtlepower73
06-14-2009, 06:34 PM
alsome dude. can't wait it get mine...

pixletwin
06-14-2009, 06:36 PM
I don't think it is, or I badly conveyed my points :lol. My first paragraph was to say I think they started ANH because it would be the easiest to tackle first. The point of my second paragraph was that I felt at no time would it cross anyone's mind that ANH Vader could be a fluff off figure if something went wrong. If the mindset were something like Clonobi where if there were issues, at least it wouldn't be a fan favorite, then I'd say Revenge of the Sith Vader would fall under that case, if that one was a train wreck, it wouldn't break many hearts, but ANH has a lot more folks invested in how it turns out.

I think you mistook what I said, since I definitely don't consider Clonobi a fluff figure. My point was exactly what you said. ANH Vader would be the easiest to do, ergo the best canidate to work out any kinks in the production process.

Comprende amigo? :gun

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 06:41 PM
Ahh, well I thought it was sort of a common feeling around here that Clonobi came before any Clones because that way if people were unhappy with anything, it could be corrected before a Clone Trooper and it wouldn't bothe people too much if Clonobi wasn't the best because a smaller group would be interested in him compared to Clone Troopers. I just assumed that was what you were saying based on that belief, my bad.

IrishJedi
06-14-2009, 06:48 PM
ANH Vader >>>>>>>> All others. :lecture

You kids need to go back to SW School. :lol

pixletwin
06-14-2009, 06:49 PM
WRONG. ROTJ Vader is truly the best, most comprehensive, and has the most possibilities as a 1:6 fig. Sorry irish. Time for you to go back to school again. :wave

Valfar
06-14-2009, 06:55 PM
My favorite version of Vader has to be ESB, the helmet worn in that movie was my favorite finnish and mold, second would be ANH and then ROTS followed by ROTJ..ROTJ version just seemed like they shined up everything and left it all black..similar to ROTS Vader but, ROTS design is better.

I hope we get a ESB Vader with damaged shoulder bell from when luke took a strike at Vader in their duel on Cloud City.

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 06:56 PM
ANH Vader >>>>>>>> All others. :lecture

You kids need to go back to SW School. :lol

Hey, there's a Vader for all generations :lol. I was born when ROTJ came out, I was 4 when I first started watching these movies and ROTJ won me over more than the others. For me, ROTJ Vader between the look of his armor and the reveal is just THE Vader for me, always has been and always will be. I'm sure if I'd been around for the big deal Vader was in '77, the ANH look might have more meaning for me, but where Star Wars was simply a fun adventure I watched with me knowing nothing about the impact of it all, I just came to like him looking all shiny and seeing all his armor more than the matte and hidden look of ANH.

The Mike
06-14-2009, 06:58 PM
The best Vader is obviously ROTS. Lucas should go through all the films and make them all look like him. :lol ;)

pixletwin
06-14-2009, 06:58 PM
:lol :lol I thought he was.

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 07:01 PM
One thing I'll give the ROTS costume, I did like that the shoulder and chest armor were all one unit. The separation on the OT suits always looked more to me like it was meant to be one piece there too and they broke it apart for mobility, but then it doesn't look complete anymore. It seems like the function of armor there, having a solid piece is better, the separations could almost be a vulnerability.

Lee in MI
06-14-2009, 07:08 PM
Hey, there's a Vader for all generations :lol. I was born when ROTJ came out, I was 4 when I first started watching these movies and ROTJ won me over more than the others. For me, ROTJ Vader between the look of his armor and the reveal is just THE Vader for me, always has been and always will be. I'm sure if I'd been around for the big deal Vader was in '77, the ANH look might have more meaning for me, but where Star Wars was simply a fun adventure I watched with me knowing nothing about the impact of it all, I just came to like him looking all shiny and seeing all his armor more than the matte and hidden look of ANH.

You were born when ROTJ came out!!!!!:google:google:google

I always imagined you as being older...now I feel like an old fart!:lol

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 07:10 PM
Nope, I'm a youngin', only 25 at the moment.

Valfar
06-14-2009, 07:12 PM
I was born in 1980 so, mainly caught the tail end of ESB and really only had figures and vehicles from ROTJ, though the ROTJ Kenner line really stuck for years here in Toronto as i remember even still finding figures in 1989-90 at some dollar stores and i picked up a MOC ROTJ Vader and R2 from a hobby shop when i was 11..local flea markets also had the odd bins with mixed Kenner Star Wars figures.

The Drizzle
06-14-2009, 07:25 PM
You were born when ROTJ came out!!!!!:google:google:google

I always imagined you as being older...now I feel like an old fart!:lol

I definitely feel like an old fart... ANH came out when I was 10! :monkey4

My favorite SW memory was the first time my brother and I ever saw Kenner SW figures at a King's dept. store. We went nuts! My brother got Luke and Vader, and I got R2 and 3PO so we could play together.

The Mike
06-14-2009, 07:30 PM
:lol I remember taking a date to see the Special Edition release as a Sophomore in High School.

Sachiel
06-14-2009, 07:34 PM
One thing I'll give the ROTS costume, I did like that the shoulder and chest armor were all one unit. The separation on the OT suits always looked more to me like it was meant to be one piece there too and they broke it apart for mobility, but then it doesn't look complete anymore. It seems like the function of armor there, having a solid piece is better, the separations could almost be a vulnerability.

I think the shoulders were also hinged.

Darth Waller
06-14-2009, 07:44 PM
And I'll admit, it does look like the helmet needs a bit more flare out on the bottom, but the size seems okay.

http://www.kungfeud.com/u/files/4/officespace_chotchkies.jpg


I love the fact that he's so tall.
As brilliant as the new Hot Toys Predator is, it should have towered over Dutch.

Well, Dutch does have giraffe neck syndrome. ;)


I definitely feel like an old fart... ANH came out when I was 10! :monkey4

You got me beat by a year. I was 9.

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 07:50 PM
I think the shoulders were also hinged.

Nope, it's one solid piece.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i172/swanwood/Star-wars-episode3-Darth-Vader.jpg

pixletwin
06-14-2009, 07:57 PM
Then why is Medi's ROTS hinged? (and still looks just like your image).

MaulFan
06-14-2009, 08:04 PM
Then why is Medi's ROTS hinged? (and still looks just like your image).

No clue, Hasbro's wasn't and their other Vaders were.

http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS/rots12ultvillshoulders.jpg

Speaking of Medicom and Chest armor, another big plus to Sideshow on that one. The chest armor fits very snug to the body, an area I find to be quite a weakness on the ROTJ Medicom Vader, that chest armor doesn't sit on him nicely.

pixletwin
06-14-2009, 08:11 PM
Speaking of Medicom and Chest armor, another big plus to Sideshow on that one. The chest armor fits very snug to the body, an area I find to be quite a weakness on the ROTJ Medicom Vader, that chest armor doesn't sit on him nicely.

That was one thing I was worried about because I never liked the way the chest plate sat on MediROTJ.

Sachiel
06-14-2009, 09:09 PM
The shoulders are attached to the RotS chest armor, but they can move up.

Relaxed:
http://www.padawansguide.com/photos/e_vader1_med.jpg

You can see it separate here:
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/18761.jpg
(http://www.themovieshop.com/prodimages/large/prodimage-1876.jpg)

Valfar
06-14-2009, 09:18 PM
Sideshow better take note on the shin armour if they do a ROTS version, its different from all the other versions.

Lee in MI
06-14-2009, 10:16 PM
Sideshow better take note on the shin armour if they do a ROTS version, its different from all the other versions.

I sure hope so cause that's one of the baddest parts of the suit! (bad meaning good!)

Nerdy Black Guy
06-14-2009, 11:36 PM
I'm liking this figure. Hope the waitlist converts for the EX.

The Drizzle
06-15-2009, 01:28 AM
I finally decided to cancel my EX. Just too many other "sure bets" coming soon that my money can go to. (Besides, I have practically no 1:6 Star Wars) I hope one of the folks here that wanted him gets their wait list converted. :D
I decided I would probably be happier waiting for a version of Vader from one of the other movies, maybe they will work out the few kinks, and I really like the versions of his costume that have the front sashes underneath the chestplate anyways. Good luck guys, hope you all enjoy him!

shockwave
06-15-2009, 05:15 AM
My favorite version of Vader has to be ESB, the helmet worn in that movie was my favorite finnish and mold, second would be ANH and then ROTS followed by ROTJ..ROTJ version just seemed like they shined up everything and left it all black..similar to ROTS Vader but, ROTS design is better.

I hope we get a ESB Vader with damaged shoulder bell from when luke took a strike at Vader in their duel on Cloud City.

I have to agree. Vader looked great in any scene from ESB. As for ROTJ yeah it kind of looked like the helmet was shiny or plastic..I know I am nitpicking again...:lol:monkey1

Karaduin
06-15-2009, 05:58 AM
I have to agree. Vader looked great in any scene from ESB. As for ROTJ yeah it kind of looked like the helmet was shiny or plastic..I know I am nitpicking again...:lol:monkey1

Yeah it looked like Vader had someone polish and buff his helmet just before he got off the shuttle. Mind you, if I was a Sith Lord of a Galactic Empire I'd have my helmet buffed and shined everyday too :naughty....

shockwave
06-15-2009, 07:01 AM
Yeah it looked like Vader had someone polish and buff his helmet just before he got off the shuttle. Mind you, if I was a Sith Lord of a Galactic Empire I'd have my helmet buffed and shined everyday too :naughty....


And make himself look presentible to his master in person. No holo-calls...:D

abake
06-15-2009, 08:05 AM
Here's a couple screenshots to compare with:

http://i44.tinypic.com/5ydif5.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zz2hph.jpg

Hmmm... I still believe I will need a customized helmet. It just looks better to me in the movie stills, massive.

Brent72
06-15-2009, 09:57 AM
Hmmm... I still believe I will need a customized helmet. It just looks better to me in the movie stills, massive.

Totally agree.

SilentSurfer
06-15-2009, 10:23 AM
I thought the SS helmet was a bit too narrow, but geez, he looks like Darth Helmet from Spaceballs in those stills.

http://myspace-852.vo.llnwd.net/01023/25/86/1023616852_l.jpg

fantasymaker
06-15-2009, 10:57 AM
I' m waiting for mine , and apparently in the photos of sean this figure is faine , come on guys , let's end with the analyses and comparisons, buy it and enjoy it .......i had a time a go the vader medi epi 3 and sell it , now i repent , but sideshow it gives me another opportunity to have it , and now this one is the correct size. Both are beutifull pieces .:emperor

MaulFan
06-15-2009, 10:58 AM
Sorry guys, webhost's down, so are all the pictures for now.

Anzik
06-15-2009, 11:07 AM
I'm almost ready for Vader to arrive.
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p35/anzikhayes/waiting4vader1.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p35/anzikhayes/waiting4vader2.jpg

MaulFan
06-15-2009, 11:08 AM
That looks great, though I do hope it's tall enough.

galactiboy
06-15-2009, 11:08 AM
Wow Anzik :google

That is an awesome diorama :rock :rock :rock

Mad Old Lu
06-15-2009, 11:09 AM
Looks great, Anzik! Very nice!

Anzik
06-15-2009, 11:11 AM
Thanks guys. Its not done yet. I still have to make a few more panels and the blast doors but it will look just like the final duel setting when its finished.

fantasymaker
06-15-2009, 11:31 AM
Fantastic Anzik :clap:clap:clap:clap

DinoLast
06-15-2009, 11:32 AM
When I get him, will I be able to fold the arms?

ST1138
06-15-2009, 11:33 AM
Very nice pics MaulFan, thank you for taking the time to share them with all of us. I can't wait for this figure!

guyver1
06-15-2009, 11:37 AM
Just got my email from ssc my vader exclusive will be in their warehouse in 18 days!! hopefully before july 4th.

And my regular version will be there in 20 days!

now, the wait begins :emperor