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Commtech
09-08-2010, 07:52 AM
Commtech... beautiful Vader! the mods make a world of difference.


I like how your Vader looks like, that should have looked in the fist place. The cape is great!


WOW what did you do with the helmet?
It looks much better without the gloss :D

Thanks fellow freaks!

Mitchell: I just sprayed Testor's Dull Coate on it.:D

jediknight120
09-08-2010, 08:13 AM
Spiker and Commtech, those are some sweet Vaders! That's how he should have looked out of the box.

Spiker
09-08-2010, 09:58 AM
Nice work Spiker. Have you got a front on eye level view of the helmet?

Sure :)

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/017-1.jpg?1283965095

I have more photos.

lambo944
09-08-2010, 01:07 PM
Here's my SSC Vader with modded hasbro helmet and WIP new cape (cape chain will be painted black):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/edidu/IMG_1581.jpg

Very nice cape! just wondering where did you get it?

EXOTICLEX
09-08-2010, 01:22 PM
What is wrong with SS's Vader dome again? I forget.

jediknight120
09-08-2010, 01:24 PM
What is wrong with SS's Vader dome again? I forget.

I think the angle at which it sits on the head is wrong.

Kuzeh
09-08-2010, 01:26 PM
Here's my SSC Vader with modded hasbro helmet and WIP new cape (cape chain will be painted black):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/edidu/IMG_1581.jpg

Looks awesome Eddy!!!
Where can I get a cape like that??... :D


What is wrong with SS's Vader dome again? I forget.

SS left, modded right.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3497/3700352834_716fe717b9.jpg?v=0http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/kuzeh/Figures/SW/DSC03496-1.jpg

Natrix
09-08-2010, 02:18 PM
Very nice cape! just wondering where did you get it?

It is a custom cape.

2ndname
09-11-2010, 08:29 AM
I've added myself to the waitlist alongside a gazillion people...lol

Matt S
09-11-2010, 09:24 AM
That cape is sick....

DSD
09-11-2010, 03:57 PM
Commtech, your Vader looks utterly fantastic. Well done!

Lejuan
09-11-2010, 04:30 PM
I wish I had the balls to do these mods :bow

Geil
09-11-2010, 05:46 PM
I wish I had the balls to do these mods :bow

Balls :lol
:borg:

Geil
09-11-2010, 10:15 PM
Just took some time to actually look at my Vadar and some pictures here and I was wondering ....does the inner cape/coat not go under the shoulder armor? I took the cape and the inner cape/coat off to see how I am going to make a custom cape. putting it back I looked at some movie stills that the shoulder armor seems to sit on top of the inner cape/coat but based on most pictures here it sits under the inner cape/coat??
I must assume this has been discussed somewhere earlier in this thread?
Hmm nevermind, watching SW ANH the inner cape/coat is over the shoulder armor...

:borg:

Wor-Gar
09-11-2010, 10:26 PM
Just took some time to actually look at my Vadar and some pictures here and I was wondering ....does the inner cape/coat not go under the shoulder armor?

:slap

ANH = robe over armor
ESB/ROTJ = robe under armor

Geil
09-11-2010, 10:27 PM
:slap

ANH = robe over armor
ESB/ROTJ = robe under armor

oh no wonder... yeah sorry just starting to get into Star Wars with this hobby

Wor-Gar
09-11-2010, 10:30 PM
oh no wonder... yeah sorry just starting to get into Star Wars with this hobby

Not sure why Lucas changed it. Something about a more mechanical look. I always liked the Samurai look of ANH but clearly most every prefers the robe under the armor.

ebor
09-11-2010, 10:37 PM
NAH, Lucas et.al prolly got lazy with the continuity thing, until some NERD spotted the diference and made a fuss.

This would NEVER happen (SW fans making a fuss:lol)

Darth Mitchell
09-12-2010, 06:55 AM
Not sure why Lucas changed it. Something about a more mechanical look. I always liked the Samurai look of ANH but clearly most every prefers the robe under the armor.

I tought heard somewhere he changed it so he would look more "menacing".

Notice he did the same thing in ROTS... So there comes the continuity isseu again :lol
http://i50.tinypic.com/2zny5c7.jpg

Customikey
09-13-2010, 07:00 AM
I don't think it's a continuity issue. Sometimes I like my shirt untucked, too.

abake
09-13-2010, 07:43 AM
I don't think it's a continuity issue. Sometimes I like my shirt untucked, too.

:goodpost:

I find the obsessive nature of fans regarding "continuity" amusing.
Why shouldn't Vader change his facemask/helmet, or the control boxes of his suit?
Nobody walks around in exactly the same outfit all the time for years on end...

Darth Cruel
09-13-2010, 08:09 AM
I just did a web search for "consequences of Darth Vader's inner robe being over or under his armor". And just as I thought...


there were none.:)

Darth Mitchell
09-13-2010, 09:14 AM
I'll stay quiet next time :monkey3

Darth Cruel
09-13-2010, 09:48 AM
Personally, I get a chuckle out of the thought of Darth Vader standing in front of the mirror in the morning deciding if he is in the mood to have the robe over or under the armor. And later in the day he force chokes one of his assistants to death for allowing him to go out in public looking "out-of-style".

jkno
09-13-2010, 10:15 AM
Personally, I get a chuckle out of the thought of Darth Vader standing in front of the mirror in the morning deciding if he is in the mood to have the robe over or under the armor. And later in the day he force chokes one of his assistants to death for allowing him to go out in public looking "out-of-style".

This reminds me of:

<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/OiuxG_PQCoU?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/OiuxG_PQCoU?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

Darth Cruel
09-13-2010, 10:31 AM
LOL...good stuff jkno!

Coheteboy
09-13-2010, 11:20 AM
Man, how do I get my vader to look as good as you guyses?


Here is how I have him now:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/Coheteboy/Toys/Sideshow%20Collectibles/star%20wars/IMG_0115.jpg

Commtech
09-13-2010, 11:30 AM
Man, how do I get my vader to look as good as you guyses?


Here is how I have him now:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/Coheteboy/Toys/Sideshow%20Collectibles/star%20wars/IMG_0115.jpg

That doesn't look that bad. You can start by getting a new cape from ilforigno:
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82585

Also, if you can, get a Hasbro dome from it's 12" Vader figure. Or do the mod on your stock helmet.

pixletwin
09-13-2010, 11:35 AM
"I'm with stupid".




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/Coheteboy/Toys/Sideshow%20Collectibles/star%20wars/IMG_0115.jpg

IrishJedi
09-13-2010, 11:37 AM
Who was it that was offering the more accurate helmet domes for the Sideshow Vader again? I still need one.

Commtech
09-13-2010, 11:39 AM
Who was it that was offering the more accurate helmet domes for the Sideshow Vader again? I still need one.

Hurricane

:vader

abake
09-13-2010, 11:39 AM
Hurricane, AKA Glenn.
Don't know if he's still offering them though.

EDIT: beat me to it.

IrishJedi
09-13-2010, 11:40 AM
Hurricane

:vader

I should have known. That makes perfect sense. Off to PM Glenn, just in case. :yess:

Coheteboy
09-13-2010, 11:44 AM
HMM.. I have the hasbro Vader. You guys say that works better? I'll try that.

IrishJedi
09-13-2010, 11:49 AM
Which Hasbro Vader dome are you folks using?

Njits
09-13-2010, 11:54 AM
I am considering buying a Vader but its a bit hard to find, does anybody still know a good place to get him?

Don't know if anybody knew about this already. http://cgi.ebay.nl/STAR-WARS-1-6-LED-LIGHTSABER-FOR-SIDESHOW-DARTH-VADER-/390237450358?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5adbf6f076

Looks pretty cool.

MarfMaster
09-13-2010, 11:58 AM
GDI, every time I move past getting a SS Vader I get sucked right back in...Lance's kit plus the Hasbro dome (which I already have) would make quite the figure. :(

eczamurai
09-13-2010, 01:01 PM
Bit of a weird question, but how would a Medi Vader look on a Narrow, or normal TT?

Might actually make him in scale with the rest of the Medi line lol.
Couldn't find any medi vader threads so thought I'd post here :)

automaton
09-13-2010, 01:11 PM
i think on its own the Medi Vader is a nice figure, but getting it on a taller body is not worth the effort... even if one is successful in getting that slim bodysuit over a Hot Toys figure, the proportions will be off.

Customikey
09-13-2010, 02:03 PM
A. Transferring ANY medi figure to a different body is a waste of time unless you are interested in having an inverted version of a super-deformed figure.

B. http://www.hasbro.com/customer-service/orderform.cfm?sku=85181

Geil
09-13-2010, 03:25 PM
A. Transferring ANY medi figure to a different body is a waste of time unless you are interested in having an inverted version of a super-deformed figure.

B. http://www.hasbro.com/customer-service/orderform.cfm?sku=85181

WOW so I don't have to buy the entire figure to get my hands on the helmet?? Is this still up to date? Oh I better find someone here who is willing to order these for me :(
:borg:

lerath666
09-13-2010, 03:28 PM
A. Transferring ANY medi figure to a different body is a waste of time unless you are interested in having an inverted version of a super-deformed figure.

B. http://www.hasbro.com/customer-service/orderform.cfm?sku=85181

You sure? Medi figures transfer just fine to the slim body Truetype... and no broken shoulders or butts either.

automaton
09-13-2010, 03:28 PM
A. Transferring ANY medi figure to a different body is a waste of time unless you are interested in having an inverted version of a super-deformed figure.

B. http://www.hasbro.com/customer-service/orderform.cfm?sku=85181

is this order form still valid?

eczamurai
09-13-2010, 03:50 PM
A. Transferring ANY medi figure to a different body is a waste of time unless you are interested in having an inverted version of a super-deformed figure.

B. http://www.hasbro.com/customer-service/orderform.cfm?sku=85181

lol I dont own a Medi vader, nor will I ever, but length aside, and judging purely from pics ofcourse, I'd put him way above Sideshows effords.

As to the medi body transferring, people have been VERY successfull with Slim TTs!

MarfMaster
09-13-2010, 04:27 PM
is this order form still valid?

I don't think so, I remember reading a while back that they ran out of helmets I believe.

Wor-Gar
09-13-2010, 04:31 PM
The SS dome is fine once lowered.

Darren Carnell's Vader (of whose silhouette I've always been envious), mine and the real Vader:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/Wor-Gar/DarrenCarnell-Mine-VaderCOMP9-5-10.jpg


Here's a Before-After helmet mod GIF to see the difference using the same SS helmet:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/Wor-Gar/VaderhelmetBEFORE-AFTER5GIF.gif

The dome actually looks bigger once its lower, and the overall head looks more to scale.

Commtech
09-13-2010, 04:40 PM
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/Wor-Gar/VaderhelmetBEFORE-AFTER5GIF.gif


That, reminded me of this:

:horror:horror:horror:horror

:lol

Wor-Gar
09-13-2010, 05:15 PM
:D

Maulfan hates that GIF. He hates it!

Geil
09-13-2010, 05:46 PM
Why? I just so curious :)
Oh so does one go about lowering the dome? Thanks
:borg:

PJB-1138
09-13-2010, 06:49 PM
Why? I just so curious :)
Oh so does one go about lowering the dome? Thanks
:borg:

Here's what I did:

1) Pop the Sideshow Vader helmet from the head piece. A flat & flexible tool like a small wooden ice cream spoon can be used to loosen the glued spots & pry the pieces apart.

2) Use a small, flat file from the hardware store to sand down the cross-shaped "ribs" on the upper insides of the helmet. Be aware that sanding down the post that attaches the helmet to the top of the head is not necessary.

3) Keep filing until the helmet can be positioned with the top of the eyes just below the "brow" of the helmet & (important!) the back comes down below the neck. Without a Dremel, this can take awhile, but yields accurate results.

4) Super glue the helmet back onto the head. Do any fine tune positioning at this point as the two parts set.

5) Fall in love with your Sideshow 12" Vader all over again!

kl241
09-13-2010, 07:02 PM
A Dremel is a must. You can do this mod in 5 minutes tops.

Geil
09-13-2010, 07:39 PM
Here's what I did:

1) Pop the Sideshow Vader helmet from the head piece. A flat & flexible tool like a small wooden ice cream spoon can be used to loosen the glued spots & pry the pieces apart.

2) Use a small, flat file from the hardware store to sand down the cross-shaped "ribs" on the upper insides of the helmet. Be aware that sanding down the post that attaches the helmet to the top of the head is not necessary.

3) Keep filing until the helmet can be positioned with the top of the eyes just below the "brow" of the helmet & (important!) the back comes down below the neck. Without a Dremmel, this can take awhile, but yields accurate results.

4) Super glue the helmet back onto the head. Do any fine tune positioning at this point as the two parts set.

5) Fall in love with your Sideshow 12" Vader all over again!


A Dremel is a must. You can do this mod in 5 minutes tops.

Thanks guys... before I attempt this mod I just have to develop a better eye for the difference.

PJB-1138
09-13-2010, 07:43 PM
Here are some close-ups of what my modified Vader looks like (it's amazing how much difference positioning the helmet makes!):

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14105

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14106

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14107

And here's what the head looks like on its own. Note how the back of the helmet now dips below the neck.

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14108

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14109

If my helmet wasn't glued to the head, I could show you how much was sanded down inside.

I should also mention that shortening Vader by doing a torso swap scales him perfectly to all the other Sideshow SW 12" figures:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=13879

Hope this helps out!

Geil
09-13-2010, 07:55 PM
Here are some close-ups of what my modified Vader looks like (it's amazing how much difference positioning the helmet makes!):

If my helmet wasn't glued to the head, I could show you how much was sanded down inside.

I should also mention that shortening Vader by doing a torso swap scales him perfectly with all the other Sideshow SW 12" figures:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=13879

Hope this helps out!

Oh sweet and thanks for lending a hand. The helmet came off rather easy when I started rocking the head inside the helmet little by little feeling the glue joints cracking :) This looks like fun to mod with results being amazing! Just gotto wait until tomorrow so I can work on taking off some material of the inside structure in the helmet.
And now you got me curiouse about the torso swap :D I assume that is nowhere nearly as simple? :p
:borg

PJB-1138
09-13-2010, 08:05 PM
Oh sweet and thanks for lending a hand. The helmet came off rather easy when I started rocking the head inside the helmet little by little feeling the glue joints cracking :) This looks like fun to mod with results being amazing! Just gotto wait until tomorrow so I can work on taking off some material of the inside structure in the helmet.
And now you got me curiouse about the torso swap :D I assume that is nowhere nearly as simple? :p
:borg

It's actually easier! I posted a step-by-step guide (also with photos) several months ago on how to do this using the abdominal pieces from a Stormtrooper armored Prometheus body here:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77079&page=2

Geil
09-13-2010, 08:31 PM
It's actually easier! I posted a step-by-step guide (also with photos) several months ago on how to do this using the abdominal pieces from a Stormtrooper armored Prometheus body here:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77079&page=2

oh sweet! Thanks! Now I just have to find a cheap spare trooper :p so the dome mod will have to do for now until that surfaces :) too bad I am not skill in painting those toyish faces for the SS SW headsculpts :(
:borg:

Darth Cruel
09-13-2010, 08:43 PM
The SS dome is fine once lowered.

Darren Carnell's Vader (of whose silhouette I've always been envious), mine and the real Vader:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/Wor-Gar/DarrenCarnell-Mine-VaderCOMP9-5-10.jpg


Here's a Before-After helmet mod GIF to see the difference using the same SS helmet:

The dome actually looks bigger once its lower, and the overall head looks more to scale.

Actually...based on these pics...the modified helmet looks to sit too low.

Wor-Gar
09-13-2010, 08:48 PM
Actually...based on these pics...the modified helmet looks to sit too low.

:slap

I give up.

kl241
09-13-2010, 08:52 PM
Looks better than the V.I.N.C.E.N.T. looking Vader they gave us.

http://www.toyfreakz.com/shop/images/uploads/vincent3.jpg

Darth Cruel
09-13-2010, 08:54 PM
:slap

I give up.


LOL...sory...sometimes I can't help myself and I have to give the OCD guys a hard time.:)

IrishJedi
09-13-2010, 08:56 PM
:slap

I give up.

Don't feed the sock puppet. :lecture

Darth Cruel
09-13-2010, 08:56 PM
Looks better than the V.I.N.C.E.N.T. looking Vader they gave us.

http://www.toyfreakz.com/shop/images/uploads/vincent3.jpg

Hmmm...what Vader is that? You are right...it looks just like V.I.N.C.E.N.T.

Wor-Gar
09-13-2010, 09:01 PM
LOL...sory...sometimes I can't help myself and I have to give the OCD guys a hard time.:)

.........;)

agonistes86
09-14-2010, 06:43 AM
With all the recent mods, I'm really tempted to pick up Vader mself now (and do the mods, too). I've always been a bigger fan of the ESB/ROTJ look with the robe under the shoulder armor. I know it's possible with the current version too, but does it look alright/authentic? It looks good in PBJ-1138's pic below, but how does it look in person? I don't really see Sideshow making a new Vader anytime soon (or am I wrong on that?) so maybe this'll be the only chance to get a good Vader.
Would be great if anybody could answer my questions. :)




http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=13879

thenammagazine
09-14-2010, 08:02 AM
Looks better than the V.I.N.C.E.N.T. looking Vader they gave us.

http://www.toyfreakz.com/shop/images/uploads/vincent3.jpg

Actually, the smooshed marshmallow look of VINCENT is more atune to the mod for the Sideshow helmet than the stock figure. Seems like everyone is so concerned about the helmet sitting lower that suddenly the disproportionate and inaccurate top of Vader's mask post-mod is excusable? :huh

Commtech
09-14-2010, 10:04 AM
Which is why the hasbro or Hurricane domes are the best option until we get a better Vader.;)

Wor-Gar
09-14-2010, 10:27 AM
Actually, the smooshed marshmallow look of VINCENT is more atune to the mod for the Sideshow helmet than the stock figure. Seems like everyone is so concerned about the helmet sitting lower that suddenly the disproportionate and inaccurate top of Vader's mask post-mod is excusable? :huh

I missed something; what part of the mask is disproportionate? You mean the mask or the dome?

I'm pretty happy with mine now obviously, but I'm always interested in seeing what else is wrong?

Customikey
09-14-2010, 12:45 PM
A few pics of my Vader. Helmet mod, wired cape, Pred body. Also a tusk mod, because the originals snapped.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w272/Customikey/Customikeys%20Toys%20of%20Wonder/P9060007.jpghttp://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w272/Customikey/Customikeys%20Toys%20of%20Wonder/P9060010.jpghttp://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w272/Customikey/Customikeys%20Toys%20of%20Wonder/P9060015.jpghttp://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w272/Customikey/Customikeys%20Toys%20of%20Wonder/P9060014.jpghttp://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w272/Customikey/Customikeys%20Toys%20of%20Wonder/P9060012.jpg

PJB-1138
09-14-2010, 12:56 PM
I've always been a bigger fan of the ESB/ROTJ look with the robe under the shoulder armor. I know it's possible with the current version too, but does it look alright/authentic? It looks good in PBJ-1138's pic below, but how does it look in person? I don't really see Sideshow making a new Vader anytime soon (or am I wrong on that?) so maybe this'll be the only chance to get a good Vader.
Would be great if anybody could answer my questions. :)

I also like the way Vader looks with the shoulder armor over his robes, which is how I have mine & looks really good. It's a super-duper easy adjustment to make since all the costume pieces can be slipped on & off.

And I'd also like to agree with Wor-Gar completely regarding the Vader helmet debate. Ever since its release, folks here (including me) have argued over its inaccuracies. Is it the size of the helmet that's wrong? Or its shape? Or does the front need to flare out more? Perhaps the shoulders need to be padded? Well, after popping that sucker off, filing down its innards & incrementally adjusting its position, the answer turns out to be no, no, no, NO!

It was pretty obvious to me from the start how high the dome was originally mounted at the factory. But, what's not as apparent is how far back the head has to be positioned as well. In fact, as I slowly filed away at the back ribbing inside the dome, lo & behold, I started to see how Vader's mask was actually being properly framed by the helmet into the Vader we all know so well. Also, by bringing the back of the helmet down below the neck, it took away that pencil-neck look the figure used to have.

If you haven't tried this modification yourself, I can imagine how daunting this all must sound. But, trust me, once you do it, you'll see just how spot-on this figure actually is. It's almost like Sideshow took its time to painstakingly create the most accurate 1/6 scale Vader figure to date but, at the last minute, wasn't able to tweak the position of the helmet properly before it went into production. Luckily, it's a problem that is easily fixed!

To illustrate my point, here's another photo of my modified Vader:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14115

And, since it's becoming an ongoing trend, here's my side-by-side comparison of the Sith Lord himself onboard the Tantive IV:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14114

As always, feel free to shoot any questions my way! ;-)

FlyAndFight
09-14-2010, 01:32 PM
Excellent job, PJB!

In comparing your pics of the SS and the "real" Vader, I just noticed that the gloves are way too long on the SS figure. Has this been tackled by anyone?

kl241
09-14-2010, 01:44 PM
Hopefully SS will remove the post and ridges from the inside of the helmet on ESB and ROTJ Vader. If not, we'll be doing the mods again on each one. No biggie but it does make a big difference.

PJB-1138
09-14-2010, 02:06 PM
Excellent job, PJB!

In comparing your pics of the SS and the "real" Vader, I just noticed that the gloves are way too long on the SS figure. Has this been tackled by anyone?

The gloves are a little long, but it's exaggerated even more by lens distortion since that whole arm is positioned closer to the camera. Besides, that's a bit of artistic license that Sideshow took that I actually like.

But I'm not aware of anyone resizing the cuffs on Vader's gloves. I suppose it's also something that could be cut down with a knife since they're made of a semi-rigid rubbery plastic. Keep in mind that there three pairs of hands, so that would be quite a project to undergo.

Coheteboy
09-14-2010, 02:38 PM
I'm an idiot and need more explanation of what I'm filing away.

thenammagazine
09-14-2010, 03:05 PM
I missed something; what part of the mask is disproportionate? You mean the mask or the dome?

I'm pretty happy with mine now obviously, but I'm always interested in seeing what else is wrong?

I'm not gonna pull a John Madden, but when you look at Sideshow's helmet stock, the dome sits at the appropriate height on the head. The problem people are having (widow's peak aside) is that it doesn't come down low enough. After doing the mod, you get it close to how low the dome's supposed to be, but sacrifice accuracy with how high it sits on Vader's head.

PJB-1138
09-14-2010, 03:28 PM
I'm not gonna pull a John Madden, but when you look at Sideshow's helmet stock, the dome sits at the appropriate height on the head. The problem people are having (widow's peak aside) is that it doesn't come down low enough. After doing the mod, you get it close to how low the dome's supposed to be, but sacrifice accuracy with how high it sits on Vader's head.

With all due respect, Nam, but what I've learned from doing this modification is that Sideshow's helmet does NOT sit at the appropriate height on the head coming out of the factory. It's entirely because of this error that the figure's likeness is off from the screen Vader.

Commtech
09-14-2010, 03:28 PM
A few pics of my Vader. Helmet mod, wired cape, Pred body. Also a tusk mod, because the originals snapped.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w272/Customikey/Customikeys%20Toys%20of%20Wonder/P9060007.jpg

I'm planning on getting a predator body for my Vader. Mikey: Do Vader's feet and hand pegs work with the Pred body or did you have to adapt them? Also, which predator body are you using? Lost Pred?

kl241
09-14-2010, 03:33 PM
The Pred body makes him look too roided out. Reminds me too much of this Vader:

http://www.rebelscum.com/toys/potfvadershortshort.jpghttp://www.rebelscum.com/potf2/POTF2vaderloose.jpg

PJB-1138
09-14-2010, 03:59 PM
Here's another side-by-side comparison shot with a closer look at how the helmet is positioned. Again, I don't see how lowering the dome will "sacrifice accuracy."

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14116

Customikey
09-14-2010, 04:35 PM
Do Vader's feet and hand pegs work with the Pred body or did you have to adapt them? Also, which predator body are you using? Lost Pred?

I didn't have to mod the pegs at all! Friction is keeping the boots and gloves on pretty well! I'm having zero issues with arm or leg length or pose-ability. What WAS a pain was modding the neck. I had to unscrew the backs of both bodies to get the neck pieces out, then I had to sand down the Vader neck in order to fit it in the Pred body.

I'm not sure which Pred it is. The skin is very dark and the chest is a bright yellow. Definitely one of the early releases.


The Pred body makes him look too roided out.

Oh,I disagree. You have to remember that Prowse was a body builder. The Pred body is much more akin to his rippling musculature then the skinny Pro bod, I think.

JustinLuck
09-14-2010, 05:04 PM
Hey Mike, great job on your Vader custom! One of the "ball" tusks fell off my Vader the same night I took him out of the box. What did you use as replacement tusks? I bought the thinnest metal wire I could find and cut tiny pieces to glue on the mask, but they fell off quite easily.

It appears that a nude pred body goes for at least $70. Is this the going rate? I also notice that the HT preds have different arm thicknesses. Which one did you use?

Darth Cruel
09-14-2010, 05:06 PM
I just did a google search for "consequences of Sideshow Darth Vader's helmet sitting too high or too low on his head". And, just as I thought...






there was none.:)

kl241
09-14-2010, 05:07 PM
I just did a google search for "consequences of Sideshow Darth Vader's helmet sitting too high or too low on his head". And, just as I thought...






there was none.:)

That joke is older than mine.

Customikey
09-14-2010, 05:47 PM
What did you use as replacement tusks?

I cut the tops of a couple of common sewing pins about two millimeters below the head and wedge them into the plastic. I had to use a push pin to help make the hole. Then a dab of superglue.


It appears that a nude pred body goes for at least $70. Is this the going rate?

I got mine for around $45 a few years back, with all hands, feet, and heads included. I prospected it way before SS announced Vader because I figured I might not like the base body. I was wrong about that. I do like the body, but I still like this one better.


I also notice that the HT preds have different arm thicknesses. Which one did you use?

To be honest, I never paid any attention to the various Preds until Pred1 came out. It remains the only Pred I own or am interested in.

The skin is almost black and the paint on the chest is a sickly yellow, if that helps any.

abake
09-14-2010, 05:57 PM
Sounds like one of the AvP preds.

Customikey
09-14-2010, 07:01 PM
Sounds like one of the AvP preds.


Definitely and AVP. I just have no idea which one. Man, I used it for a lot of things, though. The dreads became the head tentacles on my Medusamaid from way back.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w272/Customikey/Customikeys%20Toys%20of%20Wonder/P6050017.jpg

MaulFan
09-14-2010, 07:26 PM
Hopefully SS will remove the post and ridges from the inside of the helmet on ESB and ROTJ Vader. If not, we'll be doing the mods again on each one. No biggie but it does make a big difference.

They could also just improve the dome, so even with the post and ridges, you won't need to do any work. That's my hope, and I think it's not unreasonable to, they continue to correct their ROTS clone helmet with details in the Cody helmet that they could have just not bothered with.

Darth Cruel
09-14-2010, 07:38 PM
That joke is older than mine.


Well, then it fits in perfectly with the complaining about Vaders helmet, 'cause that is pretty old too.:)

thenammagazine
09-14-2010, 08:24 PM
Here's another side-by-side comparison shot with a closer look at how the helmet is positioned. Again, I don't see how lowering the dome will "sacrifice accuracy."

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14116

Angle blows and doesn't even show what I'm talking about (but I'm guessing that's why you chose it :lol). Show a face-front photo. I'm not the only one who thinks Vader looks smooshed post mod. And that was determined by looking at all the photos after dremmeling out the Sideshow helmet. It's also the reason that the Hasbro dome was suggested as the appropriate alternative.

Geil
09-16-2010, 04:06 PM
Ok getting a trooper body from a member here so going to attempt the torso mod ;)
:borg:

Wor-Gar
09-16-2010, 04:18 PM
Angle blows and doesn't even show what I'm talking about (but I'm guessing that's why you chose it :lol). Show a face-front photo. I'm not the only one who thinks Vader looks smooshed post mod. And that was determined by looking at all the photos after dremmeling out the Sideshow helmet. It's also the reason that the Hasbro dome was suggested as the appropriate alternative.

Why you baggin' on us Dome Moddists? :D

Put on the emerald glasses, man. :peace

PJB-1138
09-16-2010, 05:52 PM
Angle blows and doesn't even show what I'm talking about (but I'm guessing that's why you chose it :lol). Show a face-front photo. I'm not the only one who thinks Vader looks smooshed post mod. And that was determined by looking at all the photos after dremmeling out the Sideshow helmet. It's also the reason that the Hasbro dome was suggested as the appropriate alternative.

Sorry, Nam. Been busy with work lately, so I didn't get to respond to your request.

The reason I chose that angle was to highlight how the helmet should sit: Down a bit in front, but even more so in the back. The latter was something I hadn't even figured out myself until a couple weeks ago. Not only does it undo the "pencil-neck" look that these Vaders originally had, but it allows the eyes to sit further back from the brow of the helmet. I used that Tantive IV photo as reference when I was fine-tuning my helmet mod since it looked liked Wor-Gar & Darren Carnell had done the same.

Here's a face-front photo that, unfortunately, isn't as detailed. I noticed my Canon Elph tends to bug-out my close-ups (I really should look at that manual again), so I had to take this sitting further back:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14182

And here's yet another side-by-side comparison:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14183

I know folks are getting sick of this debate, but I can't help it. Modifying this Vader has taken what was, IMHO, an almost embarrassing figure to look at to one that I'm completely in love with. And it's a love that I want to shout from the highest mountaintops!

Now, who else here is interested in knowing this love that I speak of?

Geil
09-16-2010, 05:58 PM
Wow so shiny :D hmm so did anyone painted those two missing stripes too or was that again only added after ANH? I guess it was under the rope so can't tell
:borg:

PJB-1138
09-16-2010, 06:07 PM
Wow so shiny :D hmm so did anyone painted those two missing stripes too or was that again only added after ANH? I guess it was under the rope so can't tell
:borg:

Wow, hadn't even noticed that. The photo on the left is based on Vader's ESB costume, while Sideshow's is from ANH. If it weren't for this hobby, I wouldn't even have been aware of the difference.

And, Geil, LMK if you need any help on modding your Vader. I guarantee you're gonna love the results. ;-)

Deak Starkiller
09-16-2010, 06:20 PM
Angle blows and doesn't even show what I'm talking about (but I'm guessing that's why you chose it :lol). Show a face-front photo. I'm not the only one who thinks Vader looks smooshed post mod. And that was determined by looking at all the photos after dremmeling out the Sideshow helmet. It's also the reason that the Hasbro dome was suggested as the appropriate alternative.

Come on NAMmers it looks pretty good.

QuiGonFishing
09-16-2010, 06:32 PM
PJB, did you widen the flare as well or simply lower the dome? I was leaning toward "enhancing" the flare as well, but if your is an example of just removing the ridges, then I may have to reconsider...

PJB-1138
09-16-2010, 07:49 PM
PJB, did you widen the flare as well or simply lower the dome? I was leaning toward "enhancing" the flare as well, but if your is an example of just removing the ridges, then I may have to reconsider...

You know, I did widen the flare a bit, but not by a significant amount. Folks who had done this before said that the finish will crack if it's overdone & I didn't want to push it. Besides, looking at photos of the actual props, the lower rim of the helmet is more "C"-shaped than "U"-shaped when you look at it from the bottom.

But, like I've said before, what ends up really adding flare to the sides of Vader's face is pushing the back of the helmet below the base of the neck & closing that gap above the shoulders. You can see what a difference it makes when you look at my Vader figure a mere couple weeks ago here:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=13809

And after fine-tuning it again here:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14107

And do NOT grind those ridges down completely! I filed only what was needed (which was about two-thirds of the original amount) & did nothing to the post. That helmet still needs to be supported by more than just Vader's bald head. ;-)

I didn't know how many people were actually interested in doing these mods (this figure was released over a year ago now), but I may be able to put together some pre- & post-mod photos in the next day or two to better illustrate what I did.

QuiGonFishing
09-16-2010, 08:52 PM
Thanks, Man. Yes, I've had mine for quite a while too and have always planned to do this mod, but I couldn't quite scare up the courage when I first got him... perhaps now is a good time.

katkuru
09-16-2010, 10:14 PM
Nice! Looks spot on to me.


I also like the way Vader looks with the shoulder armor over his robes, which is how I have mine & looks really good. It's a super-duper easy adjustment to make since all the costume pieces can be slipped on & off.

And I'd also like to agree with Wor-Gar completely regarding the Vader helmet debate. Ever since its release, folks here (including me) have argued over its inaccuracies. Is it the size of the helmet that's wrong? Or its shape? Or does the front need to flare out more? Perhaps the shoulders need to be padded? Well, after popping that sucker off, filing down its innards & incrementally adjusting its position, the answer turns out to be no, no, no, NO!

It was pretty obvious to me from the start how high the dome was originally mounted at the factory. But, what's not as apparent is how far back the head has to be positioned as well. In fact, as I slowly filed away at the back ribbing inside the dome, lo & behold, I started to see how Vader's mask was actually being properly framed by the helmet into the Vader we all know so well. Also, by bringing the back of the helmet down below the neck, it took away that pencil-neck look the figure used to have.

If you haven't tried this modification yourself, I can imagine how daunting this all must sound. But, trust me, once you do it, you'll see just how spot-on this figure actually is. It's almost like Sideshow took its time to painstakingly create the most accurate 1/6 scale Vader figure to date but, at the last minute, wasn't able to tweak the position of the helmet properly before it went into production. Luckily, it's a problem that is easily fixed!

To illustrate my point, here's another photo of my modified Vader:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14115

And, since it's becoming an ongoing trend, here's my side-by-side comparison of the Sith Lord himself onboard the Tantive IV:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14114

As always, feel free to shoot any questions my way! ;-)

shocktrooper_au
09-17-2010, 12:53 AM
Nice! Looks spot on to me.

Never mind the helmet look how bad those gloves look :slap

Customikey
09-17-2010, 05:39 AM
Never mind the helmet look how bad those gloves look :slap


Maybe trim off the first two rings? I don't think the gloves look bad at all! Maybe just a tad long.

Matt S
09-17-2010, 05:55 AM
... almost embarrassing figure to look at to one that I'm completely in love with. And it's a love that I want to shout from the highest mountaintops!



Its not the size of your dome, its how you wear it


Never mind the helmet look how bad those gloves look :slap

Must resist urge to crack '____ retentive' joke............

thenammagazine
09-17-2010, 08:39 AM
Sorry, Nam. Been busy with work lately, so I didn't get to respond to your request.

The reason I chose that angle was to highlight how the helmet should sit: Down a bit in front, but even more so in the back. The latter was something I hadn't even figured out myself until a couple weeks ago. Not only does it undo the "pencil-neck" look that these Vaders originally had, but it allows the eyes to sit further back from the brow of the helmet. I used that Tantive IV photo as reference when I was fine-tuning my helmet mod since it looked liked Wor-Gar & Darren Carnell had done the same.

Here's a face-front photo that, unfortunately, isn't as detailed. I noticed my Canon Elph tends to bug-out my close-ups (I really should look at that manual again), so I had to take this sitting further back:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14182

And here's yet another side-by-side comparison:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14183

I know folks are getting sick of this debate, but I can't help it. Modifying this Vader has taken what was, IMHO, an almost embarrassing figure to look at to one that I'm completely in love with. And it's a love that I want to shout from the highest mountaintops!

Now, who else here is interested in knowing this love that I speak of?

That's not the ANH Vader in your "sample" pic, bud (no widow's peak, tusks are both silver and the shoulder plate is completely painted). Again, nice try though. ;):lol

IMHO, still looks more like a PEZ dispenser top or Hasbro's first 12" Vader than a high-end collectible.

pixletwin
09-17-2010, 08:43 AM
:lecture

If you are going to compare for accuracy you should at least choose a pic from the right movie.

DSD
09-17-2010, 09:06 AM
IMHO, still looks more like a PEZ dispenser top or Hasbro's first 12" Vader than a high-end collectible.

That's a bit harsh, but I agree it still doesn't look right. It's making the very best he can of it though, and it is an improvement.

Here's what a high end Vader should look like:

http://japanesetoylink.com/Medicom/Sci-Fi/images/MED-SW002img2.jpg

(Ducks for cover...)

;)

pixletwin
09-17-2010, 09:07 AM
:lol :lol :lol

Wor-Gar
09-17-2010, 09:10 AM
I give this one to Nam -- the mask does look squished there in the pics, I see it now.

But honestly, I don't notice it nearly as much in hand. Perhaps I will when the next Vader comes along and is improved to the point that I have a good comparison.

In any event, for the many who have tried this, everyone seems satisfied enough.

thenammagazine
09-17-2010, 09:24 AM
That's a bit harsh, but I agree it still doesn't look right. It's making the very best he can of it though, and it is an improvement.

Here's what a high end Vader should look like:

http://japanesetoylink.com/Medicom/Sci-Fi/images/MED-SW002img2.jpg

(Ducks for cover...)

;)

Which is quickly worn off when you realize the cape is pretty cheap, the lightsaber on par with Hasbro, the suit cracks and peels, the paddle hands fall off like Vader's a ____ing leper and he's about 4" too short. :lol

That said, IMHO, he's still Medicom's best figure. The Clones are a close second.

DSD
09-17-2010, 09:35 AM
The paddle hands are pretty annoying, that's true enough!

Customikey
09-17-2010, 11:56 AM
My Medi-Vader is in GREAT shape!


Except the body fell apart and I haven't found a replacement.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w272/Customikey/Customikeys%20Toys%20of%20Wonder/PC220220JPGavatar-1.jpg

Do you see his tears?

shocktrooper_au
09-17-2010, 03:15 PM
Well here's my 2cents worth, not that I haven't said it before
The SSC dome is perfect (wait for it) from the 3/4 view when modded however straight on it's a disaster, I too did the original mod to lower it but then became dissapointed with it after a week or so, I then did the Hasbro dome mod which I think is the best choice, the Hasbro is a bit softer in detail & the 3/4 isn't as good as the SSC but it a good all rounder from each angle.

PJB-1138
09-17-2010, 03:38 PM
:lecture

If you are going to compare for accuracy you should at least choose a pic from the right movie.

Man, you guys are a tough crowd, but I friggin' LOVE IT! The toy collecting discussions don't get any more hardcore than with you guys. It's why this site is my top browser bookmark while my FaceBook is constantly in a state of neglect.

Yes, I'm aware that my reference photo was an ESB Vader. It was more brightly lit & detailed than any front-facing ANH still that I could find. Also, when I was tweaking my Vader's helmet, I decided to take what I liked about both ANH & ESB versions since I have a feeling Sideshow was doing the same thing (which explains the tighter scaled helmet, the rounded widow's peak & the slightly elevated brow above the eyes).

Anyway, since you guys got me feeling a little insecure about my helmet placement, I thought I'd take another front-facing shot & see how it stacks up next to an actual screen grab from ANH:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14186

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14187

Of course, looking at the two, the little inaccuracies between the two start to become more noticeable. But, again, I'm trying to figure out the best positioning for the helmet & not so much how long the gloves should be, or whether his armor stripes should be painted, or how much it looks like a Pez dispenser.

(BTW, I also have that Medicom Vader & I also used to think it was the best 1/6 Vader out there until I modified my Sideshow Vader.)

DSD
09-17-2010, 04:03 PM
I wouldn't feel insecure, you've done a great job and I think that's the best the Sideshow head is ever going to look without a replacement dome. It's just that even if you position it "correctly" it's still too small for the facial features as I think you can probably see from your own comparison photos.

I'll stick with my Medicom.

shocktrooper_au
09-17-2010, 04:08 PM
Agree thats about the best you'll get from that dome, the dome just isn't wide enough front on and the brow to shallow

Wor-Gar
09-17-2010, 04:14 PM
http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14187

That looks pretty damn good. Surprised it looks that close. I do see differences of course, as I do with any SS product at this scale.

Like PJB, I'm very happy with my modded Vader. A new cape and robe and he'd be perfect...for me.

thenammagazine
09-17-2010, 04:18 PM
Man, you guys are a tough crowd, but I friggin' LOVE IT! The toy collecting discussions don't get any more hardcore than with you guys. It's why this site is my top browser bookmark while my FaceBook is constantly in a state of neglect.

Yes, I'm aware that my reference photo was an ESB Vader. It was more brightly lit & detailed than any front-facing ANH still that I could find. Also, when I was tweaking my Vader's helmet, I decided to take what I liked about both ANH & ESB versions since I have a feeling Sideshow was doing the same thing (which explains the tighter scaled helmet, the rounded widow's peak & the slightly elevated brow above the eyes).

Anyway, since you guys got me feeling a little insecure about my helmet placement, I thought I'd take another front-facing shot & see how it stacks up next to an actual screen grab from ANH:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14186

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14187

Of course, looking at the two, the little inaccuracies between the two start to become more noticeable. But, again, I'm trying to figure out the best positioning for the helmet & not so much how long the gloves should be, or whether his armor stripes should be painted, or how much it looks like a Pez dispenser.

(BTW, I also have that Medicom Vader & I also used to think it was the best 1/6 Vader out there until I modified my Sideshow Vader.)

Dude, if you're happy with it, that's all that matters. I merely pointed out that it looks smooshed to the guy who was getting ready to do it based on all you guys telling him it made it perfect. Then you jumped on me as if I didn't know WTF I was talking about. Now that we've resolved that I not only do, but that others agree and see it, we're done. Most important thing bud. It's your figure. If you enjoy it with that particular mod, rock it. Personally, I passed because of the finished look, but scrounged up a Hasbro dome I had lying around in a parts bin. Still debating if I want to actually go that route or leave it be. :huh

PJB-1138
09-17-2010, 04:19 PM
Agree thats about the best you'll get from that dome, the dome just isn't wide enough front on and the brow to shallow

The also agree the dome size is a little off, but not beyond the sort of inaccuracy you'll find with most of these figures. However, the brow of the helmet only seems shallow until you swing that head back into the helmet a degree or two from the post at the top of the head. Then, voila!

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14116

BTW, Nam. I never meant to suggest you don't know what you're talking about. I'm only sharing this stuff to get some constructive feedback. I mean, until an official 1/6 Vader beauty pageant starts somewhere, I've only got you guys here! ;-)

Valfar
09-17-2010, 06:32 PM
http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=14116


This is awesome, great job.

Darth Cruel
09-17-2010, 07:46 PM
Its not the size of your dome, its how you wear it



Must resist urge to crack '____ retentive' joke............

After all of the stupid BS people have gone through with the helmet and the cloak and the inner robe and the height...you are just now getting around to finding ____ retentiveness in someone for the gloves?


My Medi-Vader is in GREAT shape!


Except the body fell apart and I haven't found a replacement.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w272/Customikey/Customikeys%20Toys%20of%20Wonder/PC220220JPGavatar-1.jpg

Do you see his tears?

I have a copy of this shot on my computer (much smaller). It is by far my favorite repaint and resculpt of any figure portrait I have seen...period. I show it off frequently. I am almost as proud of it as if I did it myself (and no, I do not tell people I did). If you ever sell this...I want dibs!

shocktrooper_au
09-17-2010, 08:09 PM
Just a couple of shots of mine

lambo944
09-18-2010, 07:46 AM
Just a couple of shots of mine

Very nice! Did you mod yours? and is that a custom cape?

Customikey
09-18-2010, 10:45 AM
I have a copy of this shot on my computer (much smaller). It is by far my favorite repaint and resculpt of any figure portrait I have seen...period. I show it off frequently. I am almost as proud of it as if I did it myself (and no, I do not tell people I did). If you ever sell this...I want dibs!

Haha, glad you like it! I AM planning on selling it, but I think I need to replace the body first. I'm also proud to say that the helmet is kept on magnetically!

Cocoboloboy
09-18-2010, 12:20 PM
Here's my Vader. Very customized for sure.

1. Helmet mod.
2. Chest mod to help control box lay flatter.
3. Torso mod to shorten the behemouth.
4. Shoulder grind to give him more slope.
5. Custom made cape.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1166/016ev.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/016ev.jpg/)
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2954/017vhl.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/017vhl.jpg/)
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1693/030w.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/i/030w.jpg/)
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2889/035gws.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/035gws.jpg/)
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/674/010yh.jpg (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/010yh.jpg/)
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5876/013km.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/i/013km.jpg/)

jediknight120
09-18-2010, 12:29 PM
That's a fabulous Vader Coco! :rock

automaton
09-18-2010, 12:37 PM
yes! awesome work Coco!

shockwave
09-18-2010, 01:10 PM
Great work on Vader! :clap:goodpost:

Valfar
09-18-2010, 01:29 PM
I like this pic, great work done yet again. If only that Stormtrooper could be fixed so easily.

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5876/013km.jpg

PJB-1138
09-18-2010, 02:48 PM
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1693/030w.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/i/030w.jpg/)

Now that's what I'm talking 'bout! Nice work there, Cocoboloboy. And, other than looking a tad crooked in this photo, that modified helmet looks perfect.

This is how everyone's Sideshow Vader should have looked like out of the box.

Darth Cruel
09-18-2010, 02:58 PM
Haha, glad you like it! I AM planning on selling it, but I think I need to replace the body first. I'm also proud to say that the helmet is kept on magnetically!


Oh...so effectively it is already mine!:)

lambo944
09-18-2010, 03:45 PM
Im very interested to do the helmet mod. Does anyone have a step by step turorial on how to customize the helmet?

shocktrooper_au
09-18-2010, 04:19 PM
Very nice! Did you mod yours? and is that a custom cape?

Mines the helmet swap with padding to help the body shape & the original cape, The wife is going to remake the cape.

shocktrooper_au
09-18-2010, 04:20 PM
[QUOTE=Cocoboloboy;2849675]Here's my Vader. Very customized for sure.

1. Helmet mod.
2. Chest mod to help control box lay flatter.
3. Torso mod to shorten the behemouth.
4. Shoulder grind to give him more slope.
5. Custom made cape.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1166/016ev.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/016ev.jpg/)

I need to do that Torso swap this looks frickin amazing

Cocoboloboy
09-18-2010, 05:35 PM
I definitely recommend any and all the mods. You really can't do anything but improve him. And if you can either get on lforigno's list for a new cape or make one yourself. It improves him 100%

There aren't any tutorials for the helmet mod as far as I know. It's scary but simple though. :D Just grab the helmet firmly in one hand and the base of the face mask in the other and gently begin to rock opposite of each other side to side and back and forth til you feel the glue joint break. Easy as pie. Then you just grind or cut the ridges of the inside of the helmet.
Some have done away with the center post but I left mine almost entirely in tact. It keeps the helmet on nice and solid but still allows enough movement for fine tuning.

shocktrooper_au
09-18-2010, 05:41 PM
How to get me a Armor torso....ARGHHHHHH!
Going shopping for material for the cape today

PJB-1138
09-18-2010, 06:01 PM
Im very interested to do the helmet mod. Does anyone have a step by step turorial on how to customize the helmet?

Not having a Dremel, here's what I did:

1) Pop the Sideshow Vader helmet from the head piece. I loosened where the pieces were glued together with the pointy end of a plastic cupcake ornament (although anything flat & flexible that won't scratch will do). The glue is particularly heavy around the forehead & the back of the head & WILL make a cracking sound, but don't worry. As long as you work the pieces apart gently & not grip the head tightly around the tusks (which easily break), there's nothing to worry about.

2) Use a small, flat file from the hardware store to sand down the cross-shaped ridges on the upper inside of the helmet that the top of the head sits on. I probably filed away two-thirds of what was originally there, so be sure to work over some newspaper to catch all those plastic shavings.

3) Keep filing until the helmet sits on the head just as you want it. I did mine so that the top of the eyes come just below the "brow" of the helmet &, most importantly, the back of the helmet comes down below the neck. Some have chosen to also file down the post inside the helmet that fits into the top of the head, but I found it unnceccesary.

4) When you're happy with how the helmet looks, super-glue the helmet back onto the head. Do any fine tune positioning at this point as the two parts set.

5) Finally, fall in love with your Sideshow 1/6 Vader all over again!

lambo944
09-18-2010, 06:35 PM
Not having a Dremel, here's what I did:

1) Pop the Sideshow Vader helmet from the head piece. I loosened where the pieces were glued together with the pointy end of a plastic cupcake ornament (although anything flat & flexible that won't scratch will do). The glue is particularly heavy around the forehead & the back of the head & WILL make a cracking sound, but don't worry. As long as you work the pieces apart gently & not grip the head tightly around the tusks (which easily break), there's nothing to worry about.

2) Use a small, flat file from the hardware store to sand down the cross-shaped ridges on the upper inside of the helmet that the top of the head sits on. I probably filed away two-thirds of what was originally there, so be sure to work over some newspaper to catch all those plastic shavings.

3) Keep filing until the helmet sits on the head just as you want it. I did mine so that the top of the eyes come just below the "brow" of the helmet &, most importantly, the back of the helmet comes down below the neck. Some have chosen to also file down the post inside the helmet that fits into the top of the head, but I found it unnceccesary.

4) When you're happy with how the helmet looks, super-glue the helmet back onto the head. Do any fine tune positioning at this point as the two parts set.

5) Finally, fall in love with your Sideshow 1/6 Vader all over again!

Thanx alot man:hi5:

lambo944
09-18-2010, 06:50 PM
Hey guys, heres some pics of my modded darth vader. I padded the body because i thought the body was kind of skinny. What do you guys think is he too fat like this or is it fine? and finally i modded the helmet. Im gonna go tomorrow and get material to make a custom cape for this amazing figure:) Theres still alot of work to be done.

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/lambo282/004-5.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/lambo282/002-6.jpg

Commtech
09-18-2010, 06:50 PM
Here's my Vader. Very customized for sure.

1. Helmet mod.
2. Chest mod to help control box lay flatter.
3. Torso mod to shorten the behemouth.
4. Shoulder grind to give him more slope.
5. Custom made cape.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1166/016ev.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/016ev.jpg/)


Coco: Excellent mods!!! Looks great! How did you do the torso mod? I can't find it and I want to do it RIGHT NOW!! :D I remember seeing a tuturial but can't find it. Any links?

Cocoboloboy
09-18-2010, 07:05 PM
Coco: Excellent mods!!! Looks great! How did you do the torso mod? I can't find it and I want to do it RIGHT NOW!! :D I remember seeing a tuturial but can't find it. Any links?

Here it is if you haven't found it yet. http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77079&page=10

King Darkness
09-18-2010, 11:55 PM
Great work Coco :clap

shocktrooper_au
09-19-2010, 02:25 AM
OK... as I said earlier I set out to make a cape today, very pleased with the results. It needs some adjustments but even this is better then the SSC high tide version. needs some futzing but I like it

Darth Mitchell
09-19-2010, 03:24 AM
Wow the new capes look very nice :D
I would like to make a costum cape myself, but I never made any mods to my figures...
What is the best fabric/way to make a costum cape?

PJB-1138
09-19-2010, 05:47 AM
Coco: Excellent mods!!! Looks great! How did you do the torso mod? I can't find it and I want to do it RIGHT NOW!! :D I remember seeing a tuturial but can't find it. Any links?

It's more specifically on this page: http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77079&page=2

Someone also was able to use a smaller "barbell" piece to connect the lower abdomen directly to the chest in order to do away with the upper abdominal piece entirely. I imagine that would work just as well, if not better. Unfortunately, he never posted where one could get that smaller barbell piece.

jkno
09-19-2010, 05:50 AM
I like the new custom cape Coco. Good job too shocktrooper_au!

abake
09-19-2010, 04:25 PM
Right, so here's my WIP customized Vader.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/abake_2007/Collection/DSC02794.jpg

I've only started work on him... the helmet is Hurricane's painted matt black with a bit of gloss coat applied.
It's still sitting too high up IMO, so it's going back to the workbench for some more dremeling and sanding.

The armor and shoulder bells are still being extensively worked on. I'll take some more pics when they're done. After that Vader will be ready to get his custom cape from lforigno.

A couple more pics:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/abake_2007/Collection/DSC02795.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/abake_2007/Collection/DSC02797.jpg

Any and all comments welcome!

EVILFACE
09-19-2010, 04:29 PM
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1166/016ev.jpg

That looks good Coco.

I'm happy with the height on mine, might do the helmet mod though.

Cocoboloboy
09-19-2010, 04:55 PM
Wow the new capes look very nice :D
I would like to make a costum cape myself, but I never made any mods to my figures...
What is the best fabric/way to make a costum cape?

I didn't pay attention to what it was that I bought. It's very thin but very heavy which allows it to hang properly in 1:6 scale. Perfect stuff IMHO.

I took my SS Vader cape and laid it out on the new material and rough cut it. Then made a neck hole, hung it on Vader then trimmed it til I thought it looked right.

If anybody is interested in some material and a chain to try and make there own just pm me.

jedibear
09-19-2010, 06:12 PM
Everyone's mods are looking good in here....

But I'm still happy with him just the way he is...yes, too tall perhaps, but I don't mind him being a towering presence on display...

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5006069035/" title="VADER-TROOPER-PRAJI-01 by qui_gonbear, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5006069035_1f3e18b97a_b.jpg" width="1000" height="818" alt="VADER-TROOPER-PRAJI-01" /></a>

PJB-1138
09-19-2010, 07:12 PM
After spending the last couple weeks discussing helmet mods, I realized the key to making Vader's helmet look right is to bring the back down below the neck part of the mask. I think that's one of the reasons why Cocoboloboy's mod looks so good.

This screen shot does a pretty good job showing what I'm getting at:

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Darth-Vader-Star-Wars.jpg

abake
09-19-2010, 07:55 PM
Yup, that's what I can't achieve on mine at the moment, due to the amount of material still on the inside of the helmet.

thenammagazine
09-19-2010, 09:04 PM
I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time :lol), but it looks like Coco used the Hasbro dome.

Cocoboloboy
09-19-2010, 09:21 PM
Nope. That's the SS dome on mine. Just lowered. So don't worry, Nam, your streak continues. :lol

thenammagazine
09-19-2010, 09:36 PM
Nope. That's the SS dome on mine. Just lowered. So don't worry, Nam, your streak continues. :lol

:yess: Hence the three-quarters view. :lol

Commtech
09-19-2010, 09:44 PM
Nope, there's 3 shots from the front, nam.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2954/017vhl.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/017vhl.jpg/)
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1693/030w.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/i/030w.jpg/)
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2889/035gws.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/035gws.jpg/)

PJB-1138
09-19-2010, 10:30 PM
Nope. That's the SS dome on mine. Just lowered. So don't worry, Nam, your streak continues. :lol

I can understand the confusion. If I hadn't done the helmet modification myself & only had the photos here to go by, I would also find it hard to believe the same pin-headed Vader we all initially got could look so good (especially since I've been looking at Vader's mug in one form or another for over 30 years!).

shocktrooper_au
09-20-2010, 03:39 AM
Wow the new capes look very nice :D
I would like to make a costum cape myself, but I never made any mods to my figures...
What is the best fabric/way to make a costum cape?

I went for a Spandex/polyester mix I think, though a natural fibre mix with spandex would probably be better, something with bit of weight, another couple of tips 1. Fabric glue (does wonders in helping sew the hem) 2. instead of stitching the chain on I thread thin wire threw the collar and formed a hook on each end crimping he chain in place (ads a bit of weight , allows better placement as well). I also thought to ad elastic around the centre of the inner robe which pulls it at the waist (makes it fit better & form wrinkles at the belt line)

lforigno
09-20-2010, 04:11 AM
here is a shot of the updated cape I made:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0657.jpg

drjedisith
09-20-2010, 06:54 AM
that looks great lance. good job brutha!

Coheteboy
09-20-2010, 02:09 PM
So you guys are filing down the peg on the upper helmet of Vader? These mods look TOO good for me to sit idly by and have an inferior toy.

shocktrooper_au
09-20-2010, 02:20 PM
here is a shot of the updated cape I made:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0657.jpg

Your work is what finally made me sit down & get a cape made, Unfortunately I couldn't lay down the cash esp as the missus has some sewing skill. Thanks for the inspiration!:clap

Commtech
09-20-2010, 03:54 PM
I did the mod to shorten the body and I think it looks much better now. Sorry for the crappy cellphone pics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/edidu/2010-09-20_15-34-43_95.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/edidu/2010-09-20_15-27-01_212.jpg

shocktrooper_au
09-20-2010, 03:56 PM
Nice work, I'm really tempted with the body mod now

Kuzeh
09-20-2010, 04:04 PM
I did the mod to shorten the body and I think it looks much better now. Sorry for the crappy cellphone pics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/edidu/2010-09-20_15-34-43_95.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/edidu/2010-09-20_15-27-01_212.jpg

Wow!!! Eddy, that looks absolutely fantastic!!! :clap:clap
Is that a custom cape as well?

You gotta help me out modding my Vader dude!! :rock!!

kl241
09-20-2010, 04:14 PM
Is that the stock Sideshow chain or did you replace that?

MarfMaster
09-20-2010, 04:38 PM
That is an awesome Vader Commtech, I would love to know what mods you made and how :exactly:

shocktrooper_au
09-20-2010, 05:17 PM
http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=28007&d=1285028235http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=28006&d=1285028221

thats it it I'm calling this puppy done!

Cocoboloboy
09-20-2010, 05:22 PM
Wow! Commy and shock, your Vaders look awesome! :rock

abake
09-20-2010, 05:33 PM
Awesome mods!

Quick question: could you guys confirm the color scheme of Vader's armor and shoulder bells in ANH? Is Sideshow's correct?

Thanks.

Wor-Gar
09-20-2010, 05:43 PM
Beautiful mods!!!! :rock

JustinLuck
09-20-2010, 06:54 PM
Shocktrooper, wow, yours looks excellent! So you did the body mod? And is that a custom cape? I was tempted to try the body mod. But after disassembling Vader, I noticed that the stock body is in perfect proportions. If we swap the abdomen piece, the torso will look short in comparison to his limbs.

shocktrooper_au
09-20-2010, 07:31 PM
Shocktrooper, wow, yours looks excellent! So you did the body mod? And is that a custom cape? I was tempted to try the body mod. But after disassembling Vader, I noticed that the stock body is in perfect proportions. If we swap the abdomen piece, the torso will look short in comparison to his limbs.

No mate, I haven't done the body mod, I'm worried by the upper legs they are LOOOONG and will only look worse with the mod IMHO. Basically I've done the Hasbro dome, custom cape and added some elastic around the inner robe to help it fold better :panic:

Mandible
09-20-2010, 07:49 PM
I know I'm late to the party, but my Exclusive finally arrived today and all I can say is *#[email protected]!!!!! this thing is so damn good; once you do the mods. I've done the chest, shoulders and helmet (not going to worry about the height) and it is superb.

I am super finicky and was expecting it to be pretty average straight out of the box, but the attention to detail is insane. I've got the PF - which is why I was reticent to get the 12" - but man, oh man, am I happy mongrel now.

Anyone who is on the fence....just do yourself a favour and GET IT!

Commtech
09-20-2010, 07:50 PM
Is that the stock Sideshow chain or did you replace that?

I replaced it.


That is an awesome Vader Commtech, I would love to know what mods you made and how :exactly:

Here Marf:

1.- Hasbro helmet dome with sculpted widow's peak and then sprayed with testor's dull coate

2.- Height made shorter with the mod shown here: http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77079&page=2 Check post #11. Don't worry, body won't look disproportionate as others think. Look at my picture and Cocoboloboy's. You can ask Cocoboloboy to get double confirmation on that.

3.- My own custom cape. Unfortunately, I'm not making any for other freaks right now because of lack of time, but you can order one from ilforigno. He's using the same material as mine.

Hope this helps. :vader

Mandible
09-20-2010, 07:52 PM
Hey Shock, where'd you get the cape?

BTW: where are you in OZ? I'm Melbourne based.

shocktrooper_au
09-20-2010, 07:54 PM
Hey Shock, where'd you get the cape?

BTW: where are you in OZ? I'm Melbourne based.

I got the wife to make one, got all the material at spotlight & the chain from art riot. I'm in Brissy

Mandible
09-20-2010, 08:13 PM
The respectful/skilled wife; ya lucky mongrel :)
My wife isn't talented with this sort of thing...

JustinLuck
09-20-2010, 08:19 PM
When you guys made your capes, did you follow the pattern of the original?

Commtech
09-20-2010, 08:22 PM
When you guys made your capes, did you follow the pattern of the original?

I didn't because the sideshow one is short at the sides and long at the front (weird). It's supposed to be even all around. I'm still going to tweak my own pattern to make it even and redo my cape all over again.

PJB-1138
09-20-2010, 08:22 PM
So you guys are filing down the peg on the upper helmet of Vader? These mods look TOO good for me to sit idly by and have an inferior toy.

There's no need to file down the helmet peg to make it shorter. In my case, I filed away the ridges in the helmet right up to where the peg is & actually made it a bit longer. As I've mentioned before, the helmet not only has to be lowered but rotated slightly forward so that the face-mask sits further back, using where the peg connects to the head as the axis point.

Since it's been so gratifying to see other Freaks using the pictures I took of my torso modification, I put together this before-&-after image of what my helmet modification looks like for those interested in trying it themselves:

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1249&pictureid=14299

PJB-1138
09-20-2010, 08:43 PM
Shocktrooper, wow, yours looks excellent! So you did the body mod? And is that a custom cape? I was tempted to try the body mod. But after disassembling Vader, I noticed that the stock body is in perfect proportions. If we swap the abdomen piece, the torso will look short in comparison to his limbs.

I thought the same thing when I first considered doing this modification. But, as you can see in the pics below, swapping that one torso piece isn't enough to throw Vader's proportions off, especially once he's suited up.

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=11547

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=990&pictureid=11540

Of course, I'm willing to live with some minor disproportion on this one figure if it means being able to display Vader in better proportion to all my other Sideshow SW figures.

shocktrooper_au
09-20-2010, 09:11 PM
The respectful/skilled wife; ya lucky mongrel :)
My wife isn't talented with this sort of thing...



NEVER, NEVER , NEVER tell her that :lol


When you guys made your capes, did you follow the pattern of the original?
Copied the basic shape, I added an inch all round, little bit more at the back so it drapes

Valfar
09-21-2010, 05:24 AM
http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=28007&d=1285028235http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=28006&d=1285028221

thats it it I'm calling this puppy done!

My favorite post in this entire thread.

This is the Hasbro Vader dome?, i have one just need to pick up Vader.

EVILFACE
09-21-2010, 05:26 AM
The hasbro dome looks good. Is it the same for all Hasbro figures?

Customikey
09-21-2010, 06:08 AM
The hasbro dome looks good. Is it the same for all Hasbro figures?


Not sure what you mean. The first Hasbro Darth was a rubber head.

The two reveal releases have the same dome, though.

Brinn 71
09-21-2010, 06:38 AM
These are the 12 inch Hasbro Vader figures with the dome you are interested in:

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/9f/52/f9a492c008a0b0282a72a010.L.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HJW12ANGL._SS500_.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GRMA5D06L._SS500_.jpg

I think these are all of them?

FlyAndFight
09-21-2010, 07:45 AM
http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=28007&d=1285028235http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=28006&d=1285028221

thats it it I'm calling this puppy done!


FANTASTIC!!!

I thought I was happy with my stock Vader but after seeing these pics, I'm going to have to follow in your foot-steps. Excellent job, all around, shocktrooper_au!! :rock

morbidaj
09-21-2010, 08:08 AM
Glad to get some use out of my MIMB Talking Vader (that's been sitting in a box for over 10 years..). Felt old to break the tape on the box after all those years of being a MOC kinda person.. but very pleased with how mine looks.

Darth Mitchell
09-21-2010, 08:15 AM
There's no need to file down the helmet peg to make it shorter. In my case, I filed away the ridges in the helmet right up to where the peg is & actually made it a bit longer. As I've mentioned before, the helmet not only has to be lowered but rotated slightly forward so that the face-mask sits further back, using where the peg connects to the head as the axis point.

Since it's been so gratifying to see other Freaks using the pictures I took of my torso modification, I put together this before-&-after image of what my helmet modification looks like for those interested in trying

So if I understand it correctly I can take the dome of, remove the remaining glue, get it to sit right and then glue it to the helmet again?

thenammagazine
09-21-2010, 08:56 AM
So if I understand it correctly I can take the dome of, remove the remaining glue, get it to sit right and then glue it to the helmet again?

Look at the few posts above yours. You should use the Hasbro dome instead of making a smooshed Vader.

Wor-Gar
09-21-2010, 09:31 AM
No mate, I haven't done the body mod, I'm worried by the upper legs they are LOOOONG and will only look worse with the mod IMHO. Basically I've done the Hasbro dome, custom cape and added some elastic around the inner robe to help it fold better :panic:

Ah, here it is....

Gotta say, the Hasbro dome looks great in those pics. Excellent work.

jediknight120
09-21-2010, 09:35 AM
Incredible Vader, shocktrooper. Love the pose too. "I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan."

PJB-1138
09-21-2010, 09:45 AM
So if I understand it correctly I can take the dome of, remove the remaining glue, get it to sit right and then glue it to the helmet again?

No. You'll need to use either a file or a Dremel to trim the "ridges" inside the upper part of the helmet that sit on the top of the head. Once you pop the helmet off & look inside, you'll see what I mean.

Commtech
09-21-2010, 09:48 AM
By the way, Thank You PJB for the great tutorial on how to make the body shorter! Cool of you to take your time to post that.

Coheteboy
09-21-2010, 10:38 AM
Thank you, PJB!

PJB-1138
09-21-2010, 12:55 PM
Thank you, PJB!

You guys are certainly welcome! When I first discovered this forum years ago, I was satisfied to simply lurk & take in all the discussions here. Then, after sharing in all the emotional highs & lows of product announcements, PPOs & final production photos, to say nothing of the numerous tips & tricks that have added immensely to my interest in this hobby, I was glad to finally have something helpful to offer in return. ;-)

Besides, I knew I couldn't have been the only one here who was being driven crazy over this gargantuan 1/6 Vader!

lambo944
09-21-2010, 01:14 PM
You guys are certainly welcome! When I first discovered this forum years ago, I was satisfied to simply lurk & take in all the discussions here. Then, after sharing in all the emotional highs & lows of product announcements, PPOs & final production photos, to say nothing of the numerous tips & tricks that have added immensely to my interest in this hobby, I was glad to finally have something helpful to offer in return. ;-)

Besides, I knew I couldn't have been the only one here who was being driven crazy over this gargantuan 1/6 Vader!

Thanks man you really helped alot!

Kuzeh
09-21-2010, 01:50 PM
I just bought a loose trooper body to do the same!!
Thanks for sharing! :rock!!!

PJB-1138
09-21-2010, 03:28 PM
Right on, Kuzeh! And let's keep those pics coming.

(And perhaps keep my original thread going: http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77079) ;-)

kl241
09-21-2010, 03:32 PM
How perfectly ironic it is that you have to go back to Hasbro in order to have a perfect Vader. :lol

Wor-Gar
09-21-2010, 04:28 PM
Did anyone ever post a good side by side shot of Vader in the SS dome and Vader in the Hasbro dome? I'm sure there must be one.

MarfMaster
09-21-2010, 04:43 PM
Here Marf:

1.- Hasbro helmet dome with sculpted widow's peak and then sprayed with testor's dull coate

2.- Height made shorter with the mod shown here: http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77079&page=2 Check post #11. Don't worry, body won't look disproportionate as others think. Look at my picture and Cocoboloboy's. You can ask Cocoboloboy to get double confirmation on that.

3.- My own custom cape. Unfortunately, I'm not making any for other freaks right now because of lack of time, but you can order one from ilforigno. He's using the same material as mine.

Hope this helps. :vader


Thanks for that Commtech :rock

I have a loose trooper body, a Hasbro dome and dulcote lying around...I just need to pull the trigger on the damn figure :slap

I just keep glancing at my Medi Vader and convincing myself that the money is better spent on something else. If I could find a non-exclusive for a fair price (the hard part) I suppose I would snatch it up, especially now with lforigno's awesome cape.

PJB-1138
09-21-2010, 05:35 PM
Did anyone ever post a good side by side shot of Vader in the SS dome and Vader in the Hasbro dome? I'm sure there must be one.

I was wondering the same thing. So, I banged together this side-by-side of the photos Coco & Shocktrooper put up of their Vaders (hope you gents don't mind):

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1249&pictureid=14316

I know Coco's pics were shot closer up & ended up looking more detailed, but I think this gives an idea of how the two different helmets line up on the same figure.

MaulFan
09-21-2010, 06:25 PM
I think the best Vader dome would be a mix of the 2, flare from the Hasbro, top from the Sideshow, top looks a bit big on the Hasbro dome to me.

Wor-Gar
09-21-2010, 07:22 PM
I agree. Anyone tried to heat the dome and flare out the SS dome?

Cocoboloboy
09-21-2010, 08:19 PM
The other mods scared me enough. I'm not messin' with heating the helmet on mine...You should try it though, Wor-Gar. :D

thenammagazine
09-21-2010, 09:15 PM
The other mods scared me enough. I'm not messin' with heating the helmet on mine...You should try it though, Wor-Gar. :D

:lecture:rotfl:lecture:rotfl:lecture

Wor-Gar
09-21-2010, 09:30 PM
You should try it though, Wor-Gar. :D

:lol

Maybe I will.... maybe.

DSD
09-22-2010, 01:58 AM
I was wondering the same thing. So, I banged together this side-by-side of the photos Coco & Shocktrooper put up of their Vaders (hope you gents don't mind):

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1249&pictureid=14316

I know Coco's pics were shot closer up & ended up looking more detailed, but I think this gives an idea of how the two different helmets line up on the same figure.

I think the difference is quite remarkable. The Hasbro domed Vader actually looks like he did in the film.

shocktrooper_au
09-22-2010, 02:28 AM
Thanks for all your feedback/comments guys, a mix of the 2 domes would be perfect IMO the sharp crisp detail of the SSC the flare of the Hasbro and a dome somewhere in between wider like the Hasbro but squared off like the SSC. As I've stated before neither is perfect the hasbro just gets closer to look I'm after from most angles IMO

Spiker
09-22-2010, 03:20 AM
I agree. Anyone tried to heat the dome and flare out the SS dome?

Yes, i did that with mine. Looks perfect to me now.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/017-1.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/021.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/022-1.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/024.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/025.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/027-1.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/034.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/037.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/039.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/Spiker1200/Sideshow/041.jpg

EVILFACE
09-22-2010, 03:27 AM
That looks good.

FlyAndFight
09-22-2010, 05:01 AM
That last shot looks good.

Valfar
09-22-2010, 05:33 AM
maat yooks guuu!

cruxz
09-22-2010, 06:46 AM
I have both flared out SS helmet and Habsro helmet and IMHO using the Hasbro one gives the best look.
Flared out SS helmet looks okay when you posed Vader looking up a bit, but doesn't look good when you posed him looking straight at you. It still gives that funny pony haircut look.
Have a look for yourself.

http://justflashtemplates.com/pubimg/ss.vader.bw.jpg

pixletwin
09-22-2010, 07:17 AM
I still get more of a 1977 vibe from the Hasbro dome.

If I still had my Vader I might actually be tempted to perform some plastic surgery on him.

DSD
09-22-2010, 08:03 AM
I think the Hasbro looks better, even if you flare the Sideshow one it's still not right.

thenammagazine
09-22-2010, 09:44 AM
I have both flared out SS helmet and Habsro helmet and IMHO using the Hasbro one gives the best look.
Flared out SS helmet looks okay when you posed Vader looking up a bit, but doesn't look good when you posed him looking straight at you. It still gives that funny pony haircut look.
Have a look for yourself.

http://justflashtemplates.com/pubimg/ss.vader.bw.jpg

That's all that needs to be said (and shown). :clap:clap:clap :goodpost:

PJB-1138
09-22-2010, 11:11 AM
I have both flared out SS helmet and Habsro helmet and IMHO using the Hasbro one gives the best look.
Flared out SS helmet looks okay when you posed Vader looking up a bit, but doesn't look good when you posed him looking straight at you. It still gives that funny pony haircut look.
Have a look for yourself.

http://justflashtemplates.com/pubimg/ss.vader.bw.jpg

That Hasbro helmet shot is still looking at Vader a bit towards an upwards angle, so I don't know if this is a fair comparison. And, after days of going back & examining the differences from the original movies, I'll admit that the Sideshow helmet is definitely more of a ESB/ROTJ look than ANH. But, it's just not as far off as some may think, especially when you look at these screen shots:

http://www.todossomosgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/17.-Star-Wars-Episode-V-The-Empire-Strikes-Back_imagelarge.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G2w3izNgFw4/SP8y60HEU0I/AAAAAAAAAVc/C5a-bav9j6A/s400/480px-Vaderrotj.jpg

abake
09-22-2010, 01:32 PM
Interesting to note that the chest armor on the second pic looks exactly like Medicom's.
I always thought it was some unwanted warping on the Medicom figure.

thenammagazine
09-22-2010, 03:31 PM
That Hasbro helmet shot is still looking at Vader a bit towards an upwards angle, so I don't know if this is a fair comparison. And, after days of going back & examining the differences from the original movies, I'll admit that the Sideshow helmet is definitely more of a ESB/ROTJ look than ANH. But, it's just not as far off as some may think, especially when you look at these screen shots:

http://www.todossomosgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/17.-Star-Wars-Episode-V-The-Empire-Strikes-Back_imagelarge.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G2w3izNgFw4/SP8y60HEU0I/AAAAAAAAAVc/C5a-bav9j6A/s400/480px-Vaderrotj.jpg

:slap Neither one of those are ANH though. :lol


Interesting to note that the chest armor on the second pic looks exactly like Medicom's.
I always thought it was some unwanted warping on the Medicom figure.

It was. Medi's was curled like the tips of elf shoes. :lol

abake
09-22-2010, 03:34 PM
That Hasbro helmet shot is still looking at Vader a bit towards an upwards angle, so I don't know if this is a fair comparison. And, after days of going back & examining the differences from the original movies, I'll admit that the Sideshow helmet is definitely more of a ESB/ROTJ look than ANH. But, it's just not as far off as some may think, especially when you look at these screen shots:

http://www.todossomosgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/17.-Star-Wars-Episode-V-The-Empire-Strikes-Back_imagelarge.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G2w3izNgFw4/SP8y60HEU0I/AAAAAAAAAVc/C5a-bav9j6A/s400/480px-Vaderrotj.jpg


:slap Neither one of those are ANH though. :lol

I understood that he was referring to the fact that it's not too off from the ESB/ROTJ versions...
Or maybe it was I who misunderstood.

thenammagazine
09-22-2010, 03:43 PM
I understood that he was referring to the fact that it's not too off from the ESB/ROTJ versions...
Or maybe it was I who misunderstood.

Yes, but regardless, when it's all said and done, that dome is still on the ANH Vader.

Mandible
09-22-2010, 04:13 PM
Not sure if anyone has addressed this yet, but the chest plate (seems to me) to be too big and rectangular rather than square?

kl241
09-22-2010, 04:21 PM
Nam still arguing about the shape of the dome... :rotfl :lol :rotfl :lol :rotfl

PJB-1138
09-22-2010, 06:03 PM
Nam still arguing about the shape of the dome... :rotfl :lol :rotfl :lol :rotfl

I'm actually enjoying this back & forth about Vader's dome. When I was a kid, I thought the only real changes to Vader's look throughout the first three films was that his armor got shinier &, perhaps, David Prowse's eyes became less visible after ANH. I was oblivious to all the little changes that were done &, as a result, the myriad of slight variations we have seen reflected in decades of merchandising.

Fast forward to a just several weeks ago (& over a year after this figure was released!), I thought there was nothing that could be done to make the original Sideshow dome workable on this Vader figure. Then, when folks started snapping photos of the new 12" Emperor figure with Vader & I started seeing the little improvements that were being done, that's when I took to tweaking my own Vader again & realized how close Sideshow really got to, IMHO, making the best 1/6 Vader to date.

kl241
09-22-2010, 06:04 PM
I'm actually enjoying this back & forth about Vader's dome. When I was a kid, I thought the only real changes to Vader's look throughout the first three films was that his armor got shinier &, perhaps, David Prowse's eyes became less visible after ANH. I was oblivious to all the little changes that were done &, as a result, the myriad of slight variations we have seen reflected in decades of merchandising.

Fast forward to a just several weeks ago (& over a year after this figure was released!), I thought there was nothing that could be done to make the original Sideshow dome workable on this Vader figure. Then, when folks started snapping photos of the Emperor with Vader & I started seeing the little improvements that were being done, that's when I took to tweaking my own Vader again & realized how good this figure really can be.

I wasn't talking about Vader's. :rotfl :lol :rotfl

PJB-1138
09-22-2010, 06:10 PM
I wasn't talking about Vader's. :rotfl :lol :rotfl

Zing! Boo ya! :gun

lforigno
09-22-2010, 06:23 PM
final pics of my vader cape:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0669.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0668.jpg

thenammagazine
09-22-2010, 11:45 PM
I wasn't talking about Vader's. :rotfl :lol :rotfl

You would be the expert on all things helmet shaped. :monkey1

kl241
09-22-2010, 11:50 PM
You would be the expert on all things helmet shaped. :monkey1

That's why they call you Little Richard. :nana:

abake
09-23-2010, 07:26 AM
final pics of my vader cape:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0669.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0668.jpg

Sexy!

Can it still be placed covering the front a bit more?

lforigno
09-23-2010, 07:43 AM
Sexy!

Can it still be placed covering the front a bit more?

Not this one but I am going to modify the design one more time so that it does drape over the armor more

thenammagazine
09-23-2010, 08:19 AM
That's why they call you Little Richard. :nana:

Wouldn't be the case if you worked it better. :tap

abake
09-23-2010, 10:10 AM
Not this one but I am going to modify the design one more time so that it does drape over the armor more

Brilliant! Thank you so much for going the extra mile.

lforigno
09-25-2010, 07:07 PM
pics of new final cape. I redid the entire design of the cape which is why is took so long. The collar can also lay flat as well as stick up as shown in the pics.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0682.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0681.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0680.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0679.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0678.jpg

abake
09-25-2010, 08:35 PM
Brilliant!
Will look fantastic on my Vader.

beniboy1984
09-25-2010, 09:27 PM
Is their another 1:6 SS Darth Vader to be released?

abake
09-25-2010, 09:30 PM
It is highly probable, almost a certainty, that Sideshow will release more versions of Vader.
In fact, they even mentioned it in some interview or Q&A.

katkuru
09-25-2010, 10:29 PM
Looks great, but has Vader ever worn his collar up?

Darth Mitchell
09-26-2010, 02:26 AM
Looks great, but has Vader ever worn his collar up?

Yeah noticed it to :lol
He looks like Dracula :lol :lol

lforigno
09-26-2010, 05:37 AM
The collar can lay flat I just took pics of the collar up.

lforigno
09-26-2010, 06:08 AM
Here are pics with the collar lying flat.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/9198a33c.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/fca87b98.jpg

lforigno
09-26-2010, 08:48 AM
here are some better pics of the collar lying flat:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0687.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg29/lforigno/IMG_0688.jpg

EVILFACE
09-26-2010, 08:51 AM
Prolly would look better with the helmet lowered.

abake
09-26-2010, 09:53 AM
Either way, the cape looks brilliant and I can't wait to upgrade my Vader with it.

PJB-1138
09-26-2010, 12:22 PM
Prolly would look better with the helmet lowered.

I'm glad you said it & not me. :exactly:

EVILFACE
09-26-2010, 12:27 PM
I'm glad you said it & not me. :exactly:

The unaltered SS one still blows Medicoms away :wink1:

monkeyrobotmaster
09-26-2010, 01:40 PM
I want ESB Vader!!!!

Mandible
09-26-2010, 10:26 PM
Has anyone thought of casting the Hasbro helmet to sell?
I just bought a new Fett PF re-sculpt helmet off ebay that is gold!

demorathis
09-26-2010, 10:53 PM
So you guys are filing down the peg on the upper helmet of Vader? These mods look TOO good for me to sit idly by and have an inferior toy.

Hey dude ! Nice to see you here! I am really tempted to mod my Vader too, but there's a part of me that's preservationist and I'm just hoping the ESB version - whenever it comes along is not plagued with a bad decision that resulted in these weird domes...
the proto was fine - but when the decision was made to either simply change the sculpt or find a cheaper way to manufacture the dome -- they really screwed up...

btw I still need to snatch up your sdcc Lotso if you still gotso...

thenammagazine
09-26-2010, 11:48 PM
Has anyone thought of casting the Hasbro helmet to sell?
I just bought a new Fett PF re-sculpt helmet off ebay that is gold!

Recasting is a nono. :nono