New Vader Pictures for Those Who Ordered! [Archive]

elwood49

12-01-2005, 05:50 PM

Not that I'll intend to sell it,,, but heck, if the Balrog and Cave Troll were selling in the $2K to $3K range, I can only imagine how much this Vader statue will be worth in the years to come.

This won't be worth nearly that much. There will be 5 times as many SS Vaders made (including regular and exclusive). Also, there are so many other Vaders out there such as the GG and Attakus versions just to name a few. The Balrog and Cave Troll are ONLY available in high-end form as SS/W pieces. That coupled with their low ES is why they are worth so much.

These will be somewhat valuable, but they won't go through the roof. The ES is much too high for that. These really weren't that hard to get. I've got a bunch on order myself.

wetayourself

12-01-2005, 07:27 PM

was the Attakus versions LE 7000 or something?

anyway nice pic's &
vader has nice boots

Fritz

12-01-2005, 07:41 PM

The only thing that concerns me is seeing a power cord sticking out somewhere and I haven't seen any pictures of that yet. You may be right about the head, I don't remember noticing that before.

Gruson

12-01-2005, 07:51 PM

Both Attakus Vaders are only 1500.

mlarsen

12-01-2005, 08:22 PM

Pictures look great! I was anxious to see what the light up features look like. I can't wait.

sideshowpdx

12-01-2005, 09:02 PM

This won't be worth nearly that much. There will be 5 times as many SS Vaders made (including regular and exclusive). Also, there are so many other Vaders out there such as the GG and Attakus versions just to name a few. The Balrog and Cave Troll are ONLY available in high-end form as SS/W pieces. That coupled with their low ES is why they are worth so much.

These will be somewhat valuable, but they won't go through the roof. The ES is much too high for that. These really weren't that hard to get. I've got a bunch on order myself.

We'll see. The allure of Star Wars collectibles is MUCH greater than that of LOTR. At the time when the LOTR statues first came out, no one had any clue how valuable would be. Seeing a $55 Luke Exclusive sell for $399 on a freaking pre-order was a good case for that.

Jesseawilson

12-01-2005, 09:24 PM

The only thing that concerns me is seeing a power cord sticking out somewhere and I haven't seen any pictures of that yet. You may be right about the head, I don't remember noticing that before.

It takes batteries as well Fritz.

I think this will be the definitive Vader to date. It will be the same when we get a 1/4 PF Aragorn and put it next to the SSW version. Or similarly putting the SS Grievous next to the attakus which costs more. There will be no contest. IMHO

SS could absolutly kill all competition with the 1/4 PF if they do it right. It's thiers to screw up.

Jesse

Anakin

12-01-2005, 10:46 PM

nice premium format doll

larbob

12-02-2005, 04:36 AM

I wonder if it comes with a surge protector.:)

JohnyBoo

12-02-2005, 05:54 AM

While I have all the SW PF exclusives on preorder, Vader is the one I am most excited about. I will probably cancel the others and keep Vader. I love the sneak peek SS. Cool way to do it.

Gazmog

12-02-2005, 06:14 AM

I was wondering which Attakus version of Vader is deemed the best? I have the SSC figure on order, but I am fast becoming seduced into buying an Attakus statue.

occulum

12-02-2005, 06:24 AM

yeah. and what I liked best were the sneak peak pics of the next Premium Format fig. I think its Boba. What do you guys think?

ok ok. that was all a lie spurred by my jealousy of not being able to see the Vader pics cause I didnt order one. :banghead

and even though I dont collect the SW lines, I think I may still regret not picking a Vader up..... I mean its VADER! what was I thinking

The Josh

12-02-2005, 06:32 AM

I think this will be the definitive Vader to date. It will be the same when we get a 1/4 PF Aragorn and put it next to the SSW version. Or similarly putting the SS Grievous next to the attakus which costs more. There will be no contest. IMHO

I agree with ya on the Vader and Grievous. I disagree with you on the LOTR pieces vs each other. Having Weta be apart of the statue line makes them the definitive versions IMO. SS will be damn nice no doubt and I will be getting some for sure.

Polystoner

12-02-2005, 07:36 AM

This may have been addressed before, but I thought Vader's lenses on his helmet were a blood red color, not black in ANH. Or was that just in one of the other movies?

pitchin

12-02-2005, 07:40 AM

I agree with ya on the Vader and Grievous. I disagree with you on the LOTR pieces vs each other. Having Weta be apart of the statue line makes them the definitive versions IMO. SS will be damn nice no doubt and I will be getting some for sure.

just some josh? :D :D

The Josh

12-02-2005, 07:54 AM

just some josh? :D :D

LOL Well, as many as my finances allow.:wacky

Gruson

12-02-2005, 08:04 AM

Yup,

They were blood red in ANH. The second proto pics had them red as well.

I hope they are red in the final version.

sideshowpdx

12-02-2005, 08:50 AM

This is a really old picture but I'm looking forward to replacing this Kotobukiya version. I've also got the Kotobukiya Boba Fett which I hope Sideshow will release next.

http://images5.fotki.com/v70/photos/1/194554/737503/DSC00206-vi.jpg

The Josh

12-02-2005, 09:09 AM

Nah keep the Koto as well and heck get the GG. Vader is one of the coolest characters ever. To have different versions of him if you have the room would be sweet!:D

Anakin

12-02-2005, 09:27 AM

It will be the same when we get a 1/4 PF Aragorn and put it next to the SSW version.

Defenetly. Never liked the small Weta LOTR statues. Most of the human likeness are pretty bad, and the statues pretty small. SS have much better face sculptors than Weta, so the likeness will prolly be way better.
LOTR 1/4 figures will be the ULTIMATE LOTR pieces.

DVD Connoisseur

12-02-2005, 09:59 AM

I don't know about the PF Vader. I've had my Exclusive on order from Day One but the sculpture still isn't doing anything for me.

I can't put my finger on it but Vader just doesn't look as impressive as he should. And I'm sure his helmet's a little on the small side.

I'm genuinely thinking of cancelling my order and concentrating on just a selection of the new Star Wars range.

Must admit, though, the light-up features look excellent.

Fritz

12-02-2005, 10:55 AM

...Most of the human likeness are pretty bad, and the statues pretty small. SS have much better face sculptors than Weta, so the likeness will prolly be way better...

Although I generally agree with this, I'm sure it's easier to sculpt a likeness in 1/4 scale than 1/6 and I would generally say the Weta likenesses are better on the busts. Also, it's important to keep in mind it's not always the sculptor's fault when a likeness isn't dead on. Look at the 12" Willow figure for example.

...Having Weta be apart of the statue line makes them the definitive versions IMO...

I've never understood this way of thinking. Certainly WETA artists were good but they're not necessarily better than everyone else. For example, I'd take whoever sculpted the NECA Aragorn over the guys that did either the Aragorn Statue or the Bust. That's not to say that they were bad, but in my opinion, the NECA version was better and that sculptor didn't work for Weta.

The Josh

12-02-2005, 11:16 AM

Although I generally agree with this, I'm sure it's easier to sculpt a likeness in 1/4 scale than 1/6 and I would generally say the Weta likenesses are better on the busts. Also, it's important to keep in mind it's not always the sculptor's fault when a likeness isn't dead on. Look at the 12" Willow figure for example.

Yup the more room the easier I would assume it would be to make the likeness better.

I've never understood this way of thinking. Certainly WETA artists were good but they're not necessarily better than everyone else. For example, I'd take whoever sculpted the NECA Aragorn over the guys that did either the Aragorn Statue or the Bust. That's not to say that they were bad, but in my opinion, the NECA version was better and that sculptor didn't work for Weta.

I didn't say the Weta artists are better than everyone else did I? I don't personally think the NECA version is that great and isn't any closer to looking like Viggo than any of the SSW pieces. Their are a lot of talented sculptors out their and hell some even post here or I got to meet at SDCC. Andy, Matt Falls, Oluf Harvingston, Chuck, etc are all very very good at sculpting and they don't work for WETA either. It's the fact that the WETA sculptors worked on these pieces as well as the movies that brought LOTR to life that make them the definitive version. Like I said SS will be getting my money on the 1/4 LOTR line because of the talent at SS, CS, products, and the fact they are keeping LOTR line alive and in a classy way.

Jesseawilson

12-02-2005, 01:14 PM

Fritz

12-02-2005, 01:33 PM

...I didn't say the Weta artists are better than everyone else did I?... ...It's the fact that the WETA sculptors worked on these pieces as well as the movies that brought LOTR to life that make them the definitive version...

I never said you said that. You're not the only one that seems to favor "Weta" over anyone else. I'm simply trying to understand why.

So in your particular case, what you're saying is that it has nothing to do with the sculpt or piece itself but the fact that Weta was involved in the design of the figures as well as worked on the movies. Sort of a sentimental thing.

The Josh

12-02-2005, 04:49 PM

(Now I have alot of SSW pieces but) When I say definitive I mean the best looking, most inovative, most impressive, and most accurate. I really dont care who makes it. YAY!! for Weta being involved in the sculpting of the 1:6 SS LOTR line, but if the 1/4 PF are better looking and more accurate the fact the Weta wasn't involved is obviously a plus then. As long as it gets done right I couldn't care less who makes it.

The name means nothing to me, it's the product that matters. I guess that's what I am trying to say.

That's cool. I know SS will make some great pieces no doubt and I will get some for sure but for me the fact the SSW pieces are so amazing and accurate the fact Weta was involved makes them the definitive piece.

You're not the only one that seems to favor "Weta" over anyone else. I'm simply trying to understand why.

As I said above I think Weta did the definitive pieces for LOTR. SS as I also said will do amazing pieces as well but the fact that the 1/6th scale pieces not only are amazing but also done by Weta just makes them special. Believe me I will be getting and supporting SS in the 1/4th scale PF line.

So in your particular case, what you're saying is that it has nothing to do with the sculpt or piece itself but the fact that Weta was involved in the design of the figures as well as worked on the movies. Sort of a sentimental thing.

No, it has everything to do with the piece and sculpt. As a whole I think the SSW line is amazing and so well done. It has some hits and misses don't get me wrong but overall I think that these are the definitive LOTR collectibles. Weta being involved is a Major plus since they helped bring LOTR to life. So it's somewhat sentimental yes but not the major reason why.

Anakin

12-02-2005, 06:38 PM

I never said you said that. You're not the only one that seems to favor "Weta" over anyone else. I'm simply trying to understand why.

He is probably protecting his investment. Been there, saw that. :naughty
I have no doubts in my mind that the NEW 1/4 LOTR PF line will be the ULTIMATE, DEFINITIVE LOTR line. :joy :joy :joy

lcummins

12-02-2005, 06:52 PM

You are all wrong! According to my crystal ball, the definitive LOTR pieces will come from a company that doesn't exist yet, around the year 2052 when the trilogy gets re-made by Peter Jackson's grandson! :google

The Josh

12-02-2005, 08:14 PM

He is probably protecting his investment. Been there, saw that. :naughty
I have no doubts in my mind that the NEW 1/4 LOTR PF line will be the ULTIMATE, DEFINITIVE LOTR line. :joy :joy :joy

Well, I hate to break you the bad news but I'm a fan of LOTR and collect these as well as collecting the 1/4th because of my love for the story!!!! I'm not a money grubbing whore looking to make a buck of LOTR!

You are all wrong! According to my crystal ball, the definitive LOTR pieces will come from a company that doesn't exist yet, around the year 2052 when the trilogy gets re-made by Peter Jackson's grandson! :google

Damn my magic 8 ball said 2055.:wacky

Migwit

12-03-2005, 07:35 AM

"Money grubbing whore"? Geez, jlcmsu, that seems harsh, even for you... :o

TheWitchKing

12-03-2005, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anakin
I have no doubts in my mind that the NEW 1/4 LOTR PF line will be the ULTIMATE, DEFINITIVE LOTR line.

Amen Brother!! SWEET JESUS PRAISE THE LORD!! I could of not said it better myself. :banana

The Josh

12-03-2005, 09:24 AM

"Money grubbing whore"? Geez, jlcmsu, that seems harsh, even for you... :o

LOL I'm saying I'm not one. I wasn't calling anyone else one.

Amen Brother!! SWEET JESUS PRAISE THE LORD!! I could of not said it better myself. :banana

We shall see I guess.

Anakin

12-03-2005, 01:55 PM

Amen Brother!! SWEET JESUS PRAISE THE LORD!! I could of not said it better myself. :banana
:banana :banana :banana

Viking28

12-03-2005, 02:03 PM

Yes we shall see!!!:banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana

elwood49

12-03-2005, 03:02 PM

I think there is little doubt that the sculpts from the 1/4 line will be of much higher quality. SS simply has more talented sculptors in the area of human likenesses.

For those who prefer Weta because they worked on the films, how does that apply to humans? Weta Workshop didn't create the intricate wrinkles of Ian McKellan's face, that came from God (insert your preferred deity/belief here).

It simply makes more sense to me to have the people at SS (without the NZ-only sculptors crutch) to craft these figures to the full extent that their talents allow. The humans/humanoids (elves, dwarves, etc.) are what I'm most excited about, simply because the Weta humans are so poor.

I can understand the "Weta connection" with something like the Balrog or Cave Troll since their interpretations of Tolkien's work are what made it on screen, but humans make no sense to me.

TheWitchKing

12-03-2005, 03:36 PM

I agree, Weta certainly excels on the beasts and creatures, humans we'll let SSC handle that. However when the time comes to make some creatures in 1/4 for LOTR and SW, SS will no doubt blow us away. Mmmmm, 1/4 Uruk or a 1/4 Gamearon Guard. Rally up the troops! Elwood for President!!
:arr :viking :arr :viking :arr :viking :arr :viking :arr :viking

The Josh

12-03-2005, 03:54 PM

I think there is little doubt that the sculpts from the 1/4 line will be of much higher quality. SS simply has more talented sculptors in the area of human likenesses.

I think SS will be able to nail the human likenesses more as a whole. They do have tons of very talanted sculptors some of which I got the pleasure meeting.:D However, they are working in a bigger format so the 1/4th gives them more room to work with and get all the little details in.

For those who prefer Weta because they worked on the films, how does that apply to humans? Weta Workshop didn't create the intricate wrinkles of Ian McKellan's face, that came from God (insert your preferred deity/belief here).

It applies to the characters human or otherwise. It's not about who played the role it's about the ESSENCE of the character!!!!!!!! Actually, they did create some of them using makeup and prosthetics. The rest yes had God's handy work involved thanks for clearing that one up for us. LOL :rolleyes: :D

It simply makes more sense to me to have the people at SS (without the NZ-only sculptors crutch) to craft these figures to the full extent that their talents allow. The humans/humanoids (elves, dwarves, etc.) are what I'm most excited about, simply because the Weta humans are so poor.

I agree if SS is going to do them then they need to and not worry about Weta. I wouldn't say the way Weta did the humans are poor I guess it depends on how picky you are about the likeness of the actor or if the person cares more about what feel they get from the piece.

I can understand the "Weta connection" with something like the Balrog or Cave Troll since their interpretations of Tolkien's work are what made it on screen, but humans make no sense to me.

Well, again I'll spell it out for you. The humans are playing characters created by Tolkien as well and the way any of them looked depended on how weta wanted to make them look. So the connection is to the characters and what us fans got from the books and how it translated on screen. Weta being apart of doing such a good job makes both the human characters and beasts special at least for some of us.

TheWitchKing

12-03-2005, 04:05 PM

Just smile and wave boys, just smile and wave. :wave

The Josh

12-03-2005, 04:11 PM

Just smile and wave boys, just smile and wave. :wave

Do I have to use all 5 fingers though? LOL :p

Protozaius

12-03-2005, 04:27 PM

ahem....

Back to the topic... Vader, remember?

I've been staring at the new pictures trying to put my finger on what I think is some of the sculpt's "issues". I think the "trianglar mouth vent thingie" is too wide. And I also believe that the sides of the helmet flair out too wide as well.

Anybody agree?

Jesseawilson

12-03-2005, 05:17 PM

I tell you what, they better paint his helmet trim silver and make his eye lenses red like they are supposed to be and were in the proto pics.......

Jesse

Makiyu

12-04-2005, 02:45 AM

I tell you what, they better paint his helmet trim silver and make his eye lenses red like they are supposed to be and were in the proto pics.......

Jesse

I fully agree with that! :duff

Alice Adrenochrome

12-04-2005, 02:59 AM

Can somebody post the pictures, so that we all know what you are talking about, please? Even though I didn't order the SSC Vador, I'm still interested in the subject. If it is true that SSC has sent new images only to the people that have ordered the Vador, I must say that I find this rather odd.

BDboystoys

12-04-2005, 03:03 AM

pitchin

12-04-2005, 03:55 AM

Not really, it's a bonus for ordering through SS, not a dealer & I think it's a great idea :cool:

It states besides the pics that they will be up for the general public in the next few days, so patience my young padawan

Fritz

12-04-2005, 07:10 AM

I have no doubts in my mind that the NEW 1/4 LOTR PF line will be the ULTIMATE, DEFINITIVE LOTR line.

Amen Brother!! SWEET JESUS PRAISE THE LORD!! I could of not said it better myself. :banana

It's all I've ever asked for. PF LotR is like my Graceland. :joy :wacky

In regards to Vader, if someone could post comparisson pics of the Sideshow Vader and the New Hope Vader, I would appreciate it as well.

Jesseawilson

12-04-2005, 07:43 AM

While I don't agree with posting them:

http://www.yodanews.com/

Here you go since they are already on the web, just scroll down a little bit.

Jesse

pitchin

12-04-2005, 08:20 AM

While I don't agree with posting them:

http://www.yodanews.com/

Here you go since they are already on the web, just scroll down a little bit.

Jesse

Jesse off Sideshow's christmas card list :D :D

TheWitchKing

12-04-2005, 05:24 PM

I dont think he was on to begin with, he's Jewish. :p

Darklord Dave

12-04-2005, 05:25 PM

Once they are out there, they're out there. But thanks for not posting them here. Although it takes gumption for a site to watermark exclusive pics from a company with their own URL.

I don't think Vader has changed from SSC, so I don't think there are any new issues. The lenses still look dark red as they did previously. An all-black figure is notoriously difficult to photograph, so I'm sure this guy will live up to our wildest hopes once we receive him.

DVD Connoisseur

12-10-2005, 10:56 AM

After debating my order for the Exclusive Vader for months, I've cancelled it.

Hope it goes to someone on the Wait List who frequents these boards...

For me, the statue hasn't excited me like I thought it would. Perhaps I'll have regrets when Vader finally appears but considering the cost of shipping, etc. in the UK, I've decided I'm only going to concentrate on items that really hit the mark for me.

If there's talk of the Han Solo figures appearing with bad paint jobs (i.e. a repeat of the Luke fiasco), I may cancel this Exclusive, too. It's just too costly to send items back if they're not right.

Makiyu

12-10-2005, 02:40 PM

After debating my order for the Exclusive Vader for months, I've cancelled it.

I'm still not sure about this one, too. But as I'm living in the EU, I might wait for pictures and reactions of US customers, and decide wether or not to cancel then.

Anakin

12-10-2005, 07:58 PM

same here! if it looks like the last ss pictures, then I will cancel!
doesn't looks good, in fact, this one of the worse looking vaders i've seen in a while. :yuck

Unique Soul

12-11-2005, 06:32 AM

same here! if it looks like the last ss pictures, then I will cancel!
doesn't looks good, in fact, this one of the worse looking vaders i've seen in a while. :yuck

Just wondering, what Sideshow products do you own? It seems like in every post you are saying something bad about them or praising a different company. You have already said you never liked the small LOTR/Weta statues and your first Star Wars PF will be Anakin if they make him, but you just said you have Vader on order.

On 11/30 in reference to a possible Anakin you said, "That's the one I want to see. Will be my first premium format doll if this happens." :confused:

Anakin

12-11-2005, 07:15 AM

Just wondering, what Sideshow products do you own? It seems like in every post you are saying something bad about them or praising a different company. You have already said you never liked the small LOTR/Weta statues and your first Star Wars PF will be Anakin if they make him, but you just said you have Vader on order.

On 11/30 in reference to a possible Anakin you said, "That's the one I want to see. Will be my first premium format doll if this happens." :confused:

I have many ss/weta LOTR statues. anakin probly will be my first premium 1/4 cause I'm thinking seriously about canceling vader, even before the last pictures.. sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you. I also have wolvie and sabre dioramas, with x-men vs sentinel and doom on pre order.
and sorry, but are you spying on me? don't you have anything better to do?:rolleyes:

Unique Soul

12-11-2005, 07:56 AM

I have many ss/weta LOTR statues. anakin probly will be my first premium 1/4 cause I'm thinking seriously about canceling vader, even before the last pictures.. sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you. I also have wolvie and sabre dioramas, with x-men vs sentinel and doom on pre order.
and sorry, but are you spying on me? don't you have anything better to do?:rolleyes:

:D

Spying? You only had 35 posts so I clicked on your post history since you seemed to be posting a lot of negative comments. It took all of 5 mins to read your previous posts.

Clear enough? You're the one who said Anakin would be your first. I quoted you word for word. I just thought it was odd that you said you had Vader on order after you said that like 12 days ago.

Sorry. :peace

Edit: Forgot to add, don't forget about the two Han Solo figures you have on order, you would need to cancel those two as well for Anakin to be your first PF. :)