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Firefly Flanatic
10-04-2005, 08:46 PM
As everyone probably knows the Box office numbers weren't that great, they weren't bad but not enough to get the go ahead for a sequel. But, it doesn't mean it still can't happen. Joss Whedon posted over on the Browncoats board that this weekend will be very important. If the numbers don't drop too much the movie will stay in the theaters and the longer it stays around the more people that will see it. So, if you loved the movie and you want more of the storys go and see it again this weekend!

lcummins
10-04-2005, 08:52 PM
Title says it all! I'll be there! :D

TheObsoleteMan
10-04-2005, 08:57 PM
I hate to say it, but much like the Browncoats, I'm afraid we've lost this war. At least it went out in a blaze of glory.

Firefly Flanatic
10-04-2005, 09:21 PM
I have to respectfully disagree with you about having lost the war. There is such a thing as a sleeper hit and Universal has said that Serenity made the numbers that they expected. There have been movies that have had similar openings and even lower numbers that have gone on to have a sequel. The Transporter for one did just that. Here's there box office numbers:

BOX OFFICE SUMMARY
Box Office Total: $25,221,889
Box Office Opening: $9,107,816
No. of Weeks in Top 10: 3
Highest Ranking: 4




BOX OFFICE HISTORY
Week Rank Wkd. Gross Theaters Per Theater Cumulative
Week #1 4 $9,107,816 2,573 $3,540 $9,107,816
Week #2 6 $5,083,217 2,610 $1,948 $17,191,186
Week #3 8 $2,811,751 1,884 $1,492 $21,471,206
Week #4 15 $1,289,040 1,114 $1,157 $23,550,484
Week #5 20 $588,301 569 $1,034 $24,553,455
Week #6 28 $168,959 205 $824 $24,932,291
Week #7 40 $59,448 120 $495 $25,048,198
Week #8 49 $37,208 74 $503 $25,111,469
Week #9 49 $37,564 63 $596 $25,166,416
Week #10 47 $34,325 73 $470 $25,221,889
Box office cumulative figures also include daily grosses from Monday through Thursday (not shown).



VHS RENTALS REVENUE SUMMARY
VHS Rentals Total: $7,400,000
VHS Rentals Opening: $2,560,000
No. of Weeks in Top 10: 5
Highest Ranking: 3

VHS RENTAL HISTORY
Week Rank Gross Cumulative
Week #1 3 $2,560,000 $2,570,000
Week #2 4 $1,900,000 $4,470,000
Week #3 6 $1,290,000 $5,760,000
Week #4 8 $920,000 $6,680,000
Week #5 10 $720,000 $7,400,000

Serenity openend in less theaters but had a bigger opening weekend. And if the sales of the Firefly dvd set are any indication the dvd for the movie is going to sell extremely well too. Plus I also think this would be a movie that people would want to rent too if they haven't seen it. So I believe there is a chance to keep the movie on the big screens for awhile, especially if us fans support it by going to see it again.

TheObsoleteMan
10-04-2005, 09:45 PM
I hope you're right and we do get at least one more Firefly/Serenity movie, but I ain't holding my breath.

BDboystoys
10-04-2005, 10:15 PM
i saw it again and again and agin!

Viking28
10-05-2005, 02:33 AM
Will be seeing it again this weekend!!!

BDboystoys
10-05-2005, 02:40 AM
come on every1, if we band together!!

ok I'll skip the crap, WATCH IT. many..many times.
If your not sure about seeing it, please watch it, I bet you'll be surprised.

Dusty
10-05-2005, 11:22 AM
I'll be there... with some more newbies :) I was a little bummed to hear reports of some theaters dropping it already in preparation of new movies coming out this weekend. Which is really weird to me - it seems that they'd drop Flightplan - which had a really dismal per-screen take even though it was number one total - or Into the Blue, which had an even WORSE per-screen take. That means, even if word-of-mouth is awesome and more people want to see it this coming weekend, it will be harder to find and not be on as many screens (and most of those screens are in downright horrible theaters, at least out here in my neck of the woods).

I guess we'll see what happens. :confused:

mlarsen
10-05-2005, 04:58 PM
I just bought the Firefly DVD after hearing all this about Serentiy. After watching a few episodes I will definately see Serenity this weekend.

Firefly Flanatic
10-05-2005, 05:01 PM
I just bought the Firefly DVD after hearing all this about Serentiy. After watching a few episodes I will definately see Serenity this weekend.

Yay a convert!!

Enjoy the film!!

mlarsen
10-05-2005, 05:08 PM
Yay a convert!!

Enjoy the film!!

Thanks. Hopefully I will. :D

Seaward
10-05-2005, 08:04 PM
Well, my week got to be far busier than I anticipated, so I only got the one showing in last friday, but I hope everyone who has seen it has an opportunity to see it again this upcoming weekend. I have plans to see it twice more this weekend (and hopefully more in the weeks to come), and I hope to bring a couple of folks to each showing that may have otherwise not taken the chance to see this film.

ffl1940
10-06-2005, 05:05 PM
non-US box office is a huge factor nowadays. A film such as 'The Transporter' did big dollars worldwide, that's why there was a sequel made. Serenity has the potential to get solid numbers worldwides as many other action films will get.

gooball
10-07-2005, 11:27 PM
Don't forget to see it people! This weekend could decide whether or not there's a sequel.

BDboystoys
10-08-2005, 01:12 AM
Well i saw it again! Im so proud! Ive seen it 4 times and MADE 13 people come along! lol

Polystoner
10-08-2005, 04:45 AM
Well, saw it for the first time. You're right, it is losing screens. In this town it is only playing on two screens right now, so decided to see it before it left town (probably next weekend).

Great film, especially liked the idea of a 14-year old girl who could kick everyone's ass. :clap Don't have time to see it more than once though. :(

But, I'll buy the DVD when it comes out...

Darklord Dave
10-09-2005, 11:21 PM
Very disappointing - 4.9 mil. a 51% drop. Not an overwhelming affirmation for the film or for Joss as a feature director. :confused:

Viking28
10-10-2005, 06:50 AM
Saw it again this weekend, I dont understand how the numbers are that low when the theater I saw it at had on two screens 20 mins apart and both had pretty good size crowd. Esp with it being a Sunday matnee.

Firefly Flanatic
10-10-2005, 09:42 AM
It was the #1 film in the UK this weekend so that's good news!

koipond
10-10-2005, 10:31 AM
where Serenity finally stands will ultimatly be decided months and months from now when worldwide theater and DVD(december 20) sales totals are added up.

i know what i'm getting for christmas :naughty

customizerwannabe
10-10-2005, 10:38 AM
I think we will all soon come to the conclusion that this franchise is probably dead. The box office numbers are more than disappointing. They're dismal. For any studio to commit to a sequel now would be fiscally irresponsible. Maybe worldwide ticket and video sales will generate enough revenue to revive it in the future. I sure hope so. Otherwise I think the fun ride has come to a screeching halt. Would still love to see SS do a fig series.

Firefly Flanatic
10-10-2005, 02:14 PM
Saw this posted over at Whedonesque and here's what the person posting it said:

Yes, this is good. This is probably the best "sci-fi" drop since Attack of the Clones in 2002, which fell 40%. It's a very, very rare thing when sci-fi pictures, especially those with a built-in audience, fall less than 50%.

From EDI:

1 WALLACE & GROMIT: CURSE OF THE WERE-RABBIT $16.03m
2 FLIGHTPLAN $10.76m
3 IN HER SHOES $10.02m
4 TWO FOR THE MONEY $8.70m
5 THE GOSPEL $7.52m
6 TIM BURTON'S CORPSE BRIDE $6.51m
7 WAITING $6.02m
8 SERENITY $5.35m
9 A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE $5.07m
10 INTO THE BLUE $4.83m


Other good news is Serenity came in #1 in the UK for the weekend!

TheObsoleteMan
10-10-2005, 03:37 PM
A $10 million opening and a $5 million second week is not good, no matter how you spin it.

Seaward
10-10-2005, 03:56 PM
Okay,
so the theatrical receipts of Serenity have been less than stellar. The television ratings were also not the greatest, hence the cancellation. The dropoff from week one to week two was pretty significant too. The best bet will be to make another trip to the Serenity 'verse this upcoming weekend in the few theaters that it retains. This should be a steady weekend, and perhaps the numbers will go up on a per-screen basis too. I think that the sales of the dvd will be phenomenal too. A lot of movies didn't warrant a trip to the theater for me, as I knew that I would catch them on dvd, including Batman Begins, Fantastic Four, and a load of other movies aimed at my interests. It was important to see land of the dead theatrically, to be fiscally vocal about support for Romero (zombie) movies, and the same goes for Serenity!

Protozaius
10-10-2005, 04:44 PM
It always sad when one comes to the stark realization of just how small a pond of fandom you ACTUALLY swim in.

Being a "Planet of the Apes" fan, I feel the pain of all Browncoats.

On the upside, you guys did get another two hours of Serenity antics to enjoy and a bit of closure for some of the dangling plot lines and nagging questions. Some fans don't have it that lucky.

Dusty
10-10-2005, 06:52 PM
Saw it again this weekend, I dont understand how the numbers are that low when the theater I saw it at had on two screens 20 mins apart and both had pretty good size crowd. Esp with it being a Sunday matnee.


I don't understand either - the theater I went to was SOLD OUT on Friday night 10:45 (which is pretty late for selling out, especially since the movie was in it's second week of release). I'm thinking it's probably doing awesomely in the cities and HORRENDOUSLY in the smaller towns. That's all I can think of to explain it - every showing I've been to in the LA area has been nearly, if not totally, full. Darn it, it makes me sad :sick


It always sad when one comes to the stark realization of just how small a pond of fandom you ACTUALLY swim in.

Being a "Planet of the Apes" fan, I feel the pain of all Browncoats.

On the upside, you guys did get another two hours of Serenity antics to enjoy and a bit of closure for some of the dangling plot lines and nagging questions. Some fans don't have it that lucky.

This is a good perspective to have Protozaius. Cheers! :duff

The Josh
10-10-2005, 07:04 PM
Well, I'm just not sure how big a following this has. I mean for me personally I know nothing about this and so I'm just not that interested in seeing it. This may be one of those movies that's really good but only going to play to a small number of fans. In the Kansas City area which isn't tiny this movie is only playing on 21 screens today so that also explains why it isn't making the big bucks.

Darklord Dave
10-10-2005, 07:32 PM
Even if DVD sales are fantastic it's unlikely that another feature film will get green-lit. "Waiting..." beat it for gosh sakes and that looks like a horrible film.

Bright side - maybe Joss will prefer being a large fish in the TV pond rather than a minnow in the feature world and give us some more stellar series'. Although I'd rather see him play with a bigger budget...:banghead

customizerwannabe
10-10-2005, 07:45 PM
I think it was the "budget" that killed this film. On tv the budget is very limited and that limits what? CGI scenes. Leaving what? More interaction with the crew. That's what we fell in love with. While I loved the movie there was just not enough character development to fully indoctrinate an "unfamiliar" in my opinion anyway. There had to be more fighting, more great cgi effects and more action by virtue of the medium. You never became fully vested in the characters because there simply wasn't enough film to really flesh them out. The already anointed loved it as it was a continuation of a small screen love affair with the crew. There just weren't enough of them though to make the necessary dollars. I mourn the probable loss of future adventures but am thankful to have gotten this extra pearl to watch over and over like the rest.

Firefly Flanatic
10-10-2005, 09:16 PM
Oh I agree, I'm definitely happy we got this - and if there had never been a mention that there could be possible sequels I'd be thrilled with what we got. But dammit - the cast signed on for three movies and Joss said he had plans so it makes you want even more! So if this is it, I'll be sad we didn't get more story but I'm glad we did get a chance to see it on the big screen and that the major plot line for the series was wrapped up.

But, I'll still be hopeful until there is definite word it ain't going to happen. I'll then just have to be content with my Sideshow Serenity/Firefly figures (please, Sideshow make that happen!!!) :D

TheObsoleteMan
10-10-2005, 09:25 PM
Since Firefly seems to have such a strong DVD following, maybe they should try to do any planned sequels as lower budget direct to DVD projects. I doubt the drop in special effects quality would bother anyone used to watching the tv show.

spaceman
10-10-2005, 09:34 PM
I got interested by the strong word of mouth on this one, and went to check it out. I really enjoyed it. It had such a great underlying sense of comedy and absurdism. The "Han Solo" style captain is great. Also, I was really impressed with the production quality. I haven't seen any of the episodes, but will have to follow up.

Two thumbs up from the SpaceMan!

:peace

Firefly Flanatic
10-10-2005, 10:12 PM
Obsoleteman, I thought the special effects for the show when it aired looked great for tv and the budget would be a lot cheaper for tv as well. I'd love for there to be a miniseries with more focus on characters then we got in the movie. The movie was great but because it was a big screen movie the focus wasn't able to be as much on the characters as we would've seen in the series. Maybe if we can't get another big screen movie the Powers that be will still feel there's enough interest and profit in making a tv miniseries or a direct to dvd project.

Spaceman, glad to hear you enjoyed the movie so much and you will definitely love the series as well!

Dusty
10-11-2005, 11:44 AM
Didn't Firefly win some awards for Visual Effects? I remember reading that somewhere and thinking that was great, especially for such a short-lived series!

Seaward
10-11-2005, 03:49 PM
I am pretty sure that Firefly won an emmy for Visual Effects. Just like Fox to cancel an award-winning show. First the Ben Stiller Show, now Firefly :rolleyes:

Migwit
10-11-2005, 04:25 PM
Yes, "Firefly" won an Emmy for Outstanding Special Visual Effects for a Series in 2003. The show also won a Saturn Award, a Golden Satellite award, and a Cinescape award. Info here on imdb.com:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0303461/awards

Fox is fast becoming notorious for cancelling or threatening to cancel shows that win it awards, like "Arrested Development" which has won TONS of awards (and been nominated for even more), and Fox cut last season's episodes back to 18, and nearly didn't renew it for this season.

Fox also IS notorious for cancelling shows after 2 or 3 episodes.

Stupid Fox Network...

Protozaius
10-11-2005, 04:37 PM
Yeah, and let us not forget their abusive (borderline criminal) treatment of Futurama. :banghead

I doubt it would have lasted as long as it did if it weren't for the success of "The Simpsons."

gooball
10-12-2005, 03:47 AM
Hi guys.

I was just wondering whether someone in the U.S./Canada could help me obtain a copy of the Serenity Visual Companion?

I wanted to wait until after I'd seen the movie before getting it, but now it's pretty much sold out locally. And even amazon seem a little short. I really want it asap, and amazon say it might take a month.

Amazon say that it's available for in-store pickup... so maybe that would be an option.

Anyway, no hard feelings if no one's able to help. But if you can, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks,
Matt.

(p.s. for those that don't know I'm in Australia)
p.p.s. Amazon's in-store pickup seems to be done through Borders stores.

koipond
10-12-2005, 06:59 AM
Amazon also told me a month. it shipped a week and a half after i ordered it.

silly Amazon

Seaward
10-12-2005, 03:29 PM
Let me know if you still need a copy, send me a private message and I will scan the stacks here locally. I work two jobs, and pass right by three bookstores on my commute, and I would be happy to help out!