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wookster
10-13-2008, 02:01 AM
Only four pics so far... but they're four very good pics!-

Hot Toys - MMS81 - The Dark Knight - TWO-FACE / Harvey Dent collectible figure - Preorder Now!!!

"I guess you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
He likes tossing coin to decide a person's live or dead!

Hot Toys is proud to announce the seventh collectibles from the Dark Knight movie series 1/6th scale TWO-FACE/ Harvey Dent collectible figure
.
The figure stands approximately 12 inches tall and features more than 32 points of articulation, it also features:

l Dressed in Two-Face accurate costume of destroyed suit, shirt, tie, pants and shoes, the character wear in the Dark Knight movie
l Alternate head with authentic likeness of Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent
l Interchangeable Harvey Dent’s suit jacket
l One set of interchangeable hands
l Pistol
l A signature coin
l 12 inches figure stand with Harvey Dent/ Two-Face nameplate


Artist:
l Two-Face head – damaged part by an artist from the US & Harvey Dent part by Yulli
l Harvey Dent Head Sculpt by Yulli
l Head Art Directed and Paint by JC.Hong


TM & © DC COMICS.
WB SHIELD: TM & © Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.
(s08)


Release date : end DEC 2008 - Q1 2009

This item will be imported into the US and Europe regions by DC DIRECT.
Please stay tuned on www.dccomics.com/dcdirect/ for official announcement in mid-end OCT 2008.


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/1TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/2TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/3TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/4TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

Mooncat
10-13-2008, 02:08 AM
Niiiiice . . .

SwedishHeat
10-13-2008, 02:08 AM
Man, Hot Toys is just killing it!!

PapitoMX
10-13-2008, 02:11 AM
Nice pics, we have been waiting for official, clear pics. As of right now, it is fine. If they were to update/modify it to be more screen accurate, it would be very minor things. But I'm not picky and I'll take it just like that. Now more pics ;)

darren1228
10-13-2008, 02:14 AM
Wookster!! Wookster!! Wookster!! :banana:banana:banana

wookster
10-13-2008, 02:16 AM
More-

Interesting that the damaged part of the face is by a US artist, but no name yet, I wonder if the anonymity means it might have been someone involved in the movie, HT closer links to DCD now, might make that possible?

Looks seriously good though!

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/5TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/6TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/7TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/8TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/9TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/10TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/11TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/12TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/13TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/14TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

vodoun
10-13-2008, 02:26 AM
Damn! check out the shoes, so shiny! looks like they really shrunk him.

This is too painful, TDK suit pre-order, BRJ pre-order, Iron-Man MK3 pre-order, Tumbler and Bat-pod pre-order and now this finally shows up.

I hope this is the last one they release...?

Dally
10-13-2008, 02:30 AM
After looking at these high res pics I am sold! I will be getting this over an Iron Man figure.

The Ringer
10-13-2008, 02:34 AM
He turned out amazing!

Thanks as always Wookster for bringing home the goods!

That two face sculpt is phenominal!

Devil_666
10-13-2008, 02:34 AM
Dressed in Two-Face accurate costume of destroyed suit, shirt, tie, pants and shoes

I'm not seeing any of that!? Sorry..

As far as the Harvey Dent set up: Perfect. That sculpt is fantastic!
As far as the Two-Face set up: With the Hi-Res pics the actual paint job is cool. There's enough red in there for me. Also the exposed inner mouth detail is crazy.. sculpt and paint. There's still an issue with the abrupt transfer between normal skin to burned skin: Some type of transition is needed there. Slight scarring/bubbling skin/etc. Also the hair line is weird (far too perfect of a part) but honestly I don't care about either of those things personally. I'd buy it as is if I were a fan of Two-Face/Harvey Dent. The only really disappointing thing imo is the gun: it looks REALLY cheap as hell.

Overall though.. great figure.

darren1228
10-13-2008, 02:37 AM
I'm not seeing any of that!? Sorry..




The destroyed part probably goes with the jacket only and not the shoes, tie,..etc :lol

Devil_666
10-13-2008, 02:41 AM
The destroyed part probably goes with the jacket only and not the shoes, tie,..etc :lol


:duh

I realize that... now. lol.

Dally
10-13-2008, 02:49 AM
I hope he doesn't come out till around late January, I have a lot of stuff to pay for between now and then. :D

carbo-fation
10-13-2008, 02:51 AM
I love it. This looks incredible.:rock

8899
10-13-2008, 03:02 AM
Awesome!
HT have done it again.

noisetrigger
10-13-2008, 03:03 AM
I am getting this for sure. Looks fantastic and whatever skin tech they are using works really great. Looks so real.

gdb
10-13-2008, 03:06 AM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/1TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg



His left thumb looks massive.

But the sculpts... Yulli is unbelievablely good!

darkknight
10-13-2008, 03:07 AM
Damn, very nice. Now who's next?

darren1228
10-13-2008, 03:11 AM
Damn, very nice. Now who's next?

Gordon hopefully.

The Ringer
10-13-2008, 03:13 AM
Gordon is a given.:D

Devil_666
10-13-2008, 03:15 AM
Now who's next?

Gordon.
Gordan - SWAT gear.
Joker - Police Uniform.
Mayor Anthony Garcia - WITH Realistic Eyeliner. :doh

The Ringer
10-13-2008, 03:17 AM
The only thing I can see this guy missing is his button! Maybe HT might come through but I can see the prices of the medicom buttons going up.:lol

wookster
10-13-2008, 03:22 AM
Gordon is a given.:D

I hope you're right!

darren1228
10-13-2008, 03:29 AM
The only thing I can see this guy missing is his button! Maybe HT might come through but I can see the prices of the medicom buttons going up.:lol

Knowing Hot Toys they are probably saving it for "nurse Joker" :lol

The Ringer
10-13-2008, 03:30 AM
Knowing Hot Toys they are probably saving it for "nurse Joker" :lol

You are probably right, so right.

blakus939
10-13-2008, 03:39 AM
holy sheeeeeeet that figure is nuts! Check out the detail, the spit polished shoes, my lord that if insane! this is easily their best likedness, even outdoes BR joker imho, and i am REALLY waiting for that. bring on nurse joker HT, well done!!!!!

Rock83
10-13-2008, 03:53 AM
Damn this one looks amazing,i said to myself Harvey Dent isnt an important character enough for me to buy a figure of,but now i have second thoughts.

Darth_Fatso
10-13-2008, 03:57 AM
Simply awesome!!!! I don't even care if the burnt side is slightly off, this thing looks absolutly amazing. Well done HT indeed. And the likeness to Eckhart is uncanny!!!

Thrustmaster
10-13-2008, 04:01 AM
it's really brilliant but also scary. i don't know if i would like such a scary figure at my desk. i mean, it's nearly a perfect sculpt, but everytime i see the two-face head in these pics, my stomache plays a game with me. and paying 170 bucks for it to scare myself everytime i see him, ... i don't know. i think i'll pass with two-face.

and i think i'm the only one here with these thoughts ^^

blakus939
10-13-2008, 04:03 AM
After seeing hi res pics, i reckon the burnt side looks great. not 100percent perfect, but pretty spot on for me to not even worry about

Dally
10-13-2008, 04:09 AM
Woot! I just pre-ordered it from Corner store comics. Now I hope HT is done with their Dark Knight line. I would buy a Nurse Joker though. :D

xenoviper
10-13-2008, 04:10 AM
dead on likeness... getting this one for sure... 2 head sculpts 2 sets of suits... worth getting for sure!

wookster
10-13-2008, 04:16 AM
The more I study this the better and better it gets, that Eckhart likeness is simply phenomenal. No one else is even coming close to Yulli at the moment.
I have high hopes for the new Enterbay Fist of Fury, but till we see something the three best 1/6 headsculpts I've seen are Cannibal Jack, Bank Robber Joker and now this Harvey Dent, can't wait to review it and see it in hand!

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/headdetail-1.jpg

xenoviper
10-13-2008, 04:19 AM
The more I study this the better and better it gets, that Eckhart likeness is simply phenomenal. No one else is even coming close to Yulli at the moment.
I have high hopes for the new Enterbay Fist of Fury, but till we see something the three best 1/6 headsculpts I've seen are Cannibal Jack, Bank Robber Joker and now this Harvey Dent, can't wait to review it and see it in hand!

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/headdetail-1.jpg

No doubt ...
The smile sparrow was a bit off but damn Cannibal Jack head sculpt was pretty dead on!

You and I have similar taste :naughty

Agen
10-13-2008, 04:34 AM
Harvey Dent head very very likeness.

Grange Wallis
10-13-2008, 04:37 AM
That figure is perfect and anyone that could complain about it... Needs to either get laid or get laid a lot more than they currently are!

Reinhardt
10-13-2008, 04:37 AM
amazing work once again. so it looks like the burnt side of the jacket is material with some sort of rubber on top of it?

Darkseed
10-13-2008, 04:57 AM
I'm sold! I pre-ordered along time ago, the pictures are icing on the cake :naughty

Johnny Utah
10-13-2008, 05:01 AM
The burnt head is definitely based off that concept pic...there's no hole in the nose, and no patchy parts of exposed flesh.Hopefully HT will take heed of these inaccuracies before the release date.Other than that, the Eckhart head is flawless.

Zoolander
10-13-2008, 05:01 AM
That figure is perfect and anyone that could complain about it... Needs to either get laid or get laid a lot more than they currently are!

I think it is beautifully done!

blakus939
10-13-2008, 05:14 AM
Pre Order in with Joe. awwwwwwww yeah :D

SG-22
10-13-2008, 05:17 AM
Pre Order in with Joe. awwwwwwww yeah :D

Same here, been holding out for some decent pics and have not been let down, Hot Toys can do no wrong it seems!

:D

Karaduin
10-13-2008, 05:20 AM
This looks pretty damn nice! Unfortunately I took an 'all or nothing' approach with HT's Batman movie license figures (and vehicles!) - there's just no way I could afford all of em let alone the space needed to display. So I took a big step back, which is painful but probably for the best :monkey2

blakus939
10-13-2008, 05:27 AM
haha Karaduin, your display pic fit's my screen motto thing perfectly, lol same as yours :p

ffejeromdiks
10-13-2008, 05:29 AM
That figure is perfect and anyone that could complain about it... Needs to either get laid or get laid a lot more than they currently are!
This is probably the stupidest thing I've read in my life.

Anyway, the High Res pictures kinda made it worse for me, I hope they do something about the paint and sculpt of the burned side, cause it's based on the concept art, which is not the same as the movie scars.

CelticPredator
10-13-2008, 05:56 AM
Anyway....holy crap on a stick! Thank god the Jacket isnt entirely rubber. That would've sucked.

ffejeromdiks
10-13-2008, 06:03 AM
Yeah the suit looks great, i must be wrong, but i dont think there is rubber on it, the burned side looks maybe...pleather?

darthCipan
10-13-2008, 06:09 AM
My gosh, the sculpt for Aaron Eckheart is perfect...Grat work once again by Yuli of Hot toys. I wonder who is the US sculptor for the damage two face part?

tomstoyz
10-13-2008, 06:10 AM
WOW! Hot Toys has done it again! This doll, I mean "action figure", is amazing!! The feature I love the best are the 2 different heads. Plus the fact that the sculptor did an amazing job on making it look EXACTLY like Aaron Eckhart....AWESOME!!

wookster
10-13-2008, 06:11 AM
Yeah, I'd hazard a guess it's gonna be some kind of plasticy, pleather, rubbery kinda coating over material type 'a' thing... if that makes any kinda sense?

Zoolander
10-13-2008, 06:19 AM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/14TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

is his shirt burnt at the bottom aswell?

galactiboy
10-13-2008, 06:19 AM
That is absolutely awesome looking! Really glad I got an order in through Joe, this is another must have IMO :rock

scubasteve
10-13-2008, 06:19 AM
I hope this is the last one they release...?

What!?! :confused: :google :emperor:emperor:emperor

Furious1
10-13-2008, 06:42 AM
Wasnt going to get this, but I think I just changed my mind.

CristiMAN
10-13-2008, 07:11 AM
when is the expected release date?

darren1228
10-13-2008, 07:15 AM
when is the expected release date?

December 2008 to Quarter 1 2009

wookster
10-13-2008, 07:16 AM
is his shirt burnt at the bottom aswell?

It's possible, but that just looks like shadow to me.

darren1228
10-13-2008, 07:19 AM
Just realized that the left side of his collar should be burnt black. No biggie to me however. Customizers should have no problem fixing this.



http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a311/Hecubus114/scan0032.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a311/Hecubus114/scan0006.jpg

galactiboy
10-13-2008, 07:22 AM
Just realized that the left side of his collar should be burnt black. No biggie to me however. Customizers should have no problem fixing this.


Very true, and even if it was a new shirt... I think he'd still have one hell of a ring around the collar from his charred flesh :lol

Might just get an extra white shirt and alter it.

Also, really nice to see HT went with a sculpted neck instead of ending up with a burnt head leading into a clean neck.

a-dev
10-13-2008, 07:24 AM
Looks excellent. Especially the undamaged sculpt - they really pulled off Eckharts likeness. As others have mentioned I'm just not sure about the 'divide' on the damaged face - it seems too stark. Buying it for sure though.

Zoolander
10-13-2008, 07:34 AM
really nice to see HT went with a sculpted neck instead of ending up with a burnt head leading into a clean neck.

that would have looked really really really stupid to say the least :lol

DarkArtist81
10-13-2008, 07:36 AM
Looks amazing to me. The only gripe I would have is the lack of extra shirt with blackened collar.... but I can handle that, easy fix. And as far as the face... I'm sure I will repaint that, and give the line a bit more of a transition.

But the likeness on this bad boy is PERFECT, at least to me. And I love the burnt coat. Looks like plastic sprayed onto the fabric. :rock

galactiboy
10-13-2008, 07:46 AM
that would have looked really really really stupid to say the least :lol

Well don't tell that to Medicom, you'll hurt their feelings...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3174/2929839462_4e6f4a7258_o.jpg

I remember when I first got into collection 1/6 figures Medicom was King; most expensive, but by far the best figures were coming from them. At the time Sideshow was picking up steam and HT was barely a blip on the map; how times have changed.

collectamania
10-13-2008, 07:47 AM
argh i dunno if im gonna get this or not!! i think i onlywant just one batman and joker as they are the two that made the film for me but this looks sooo awesome!!

galactiboy
10-13-2008, 07:49 AM
Groupings are always best in threes :lecture

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 07:50 AM
Well, I will say that the red on his damaged side is more apparent in these official shots, however it's still too minimal, could use some more, fairly easy to fix on your own though since you don't have to be a master painter to add flesh blots randomly, but still, hopefully now that HT has full access to film images, they'll tweak it for production. Other than that, fantastic figure, everything I hoped an HT TF would be :rock

BrooklynWolf X
10-13-2008, 07:51 AM
game, set, match.

HT should be the only company doing all movie franchises. seriously.

i know i've already a lot of money on SW figs from both medicom and SS. but if HT were to get the license, i'll be all over it like **** on a stick.

HT forever! and damn you HT for taking all my money!!!

kazukijun
10-13-2008, 07:51 AM
An extra white shirt is definitely needed if your gonna do the mod to make it more screen accurate.

Still overall, it looks fantastic to me and I really dig the Aaron Eckhart Sculpt!

Does anyone have any 1/6 size I believe in Harvey Dent stickers or badges?

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 07:53 AM
Small point, but compared to the one I saw on 2 in 1 supes, HT's tailoring of business suits seems improved, this one looks pretty sharp, makes me hope more so that they do a Wayne so we have an appropriate head and a film accurrate suit.

FDBMath
10-13-2008, 07:56 AM
Holy ^^^^, this is a real treat! I am extremely excited about this figure. So glad that I pre-ordered this bad boy. This is exactly what I would want in a Two-Face fig, either movie or comic based.

prettyscary
10-13-2008, 07:56 AM
Too many figs coming out for this movie, going to pass and grab Iron Man.

Zoolander
10-13-2008, 08:02 AM
Ironman could end up with the same amount of figures as TDK

Furious1
10-13-2008, 08:38 AM
Preordered! Looks like Machiko is getting the boot.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 09:16 AM
It's really impressive how nice the sculpting on the Two-Face head turned out considering 2 separate arists worked on it, it could easily have come out a mismatch. I wonder if Andy B. got to do the burnt side, he's still with DC right?

darren1228
10-13-2008, 09:24 AM
Preordered! Looks like Machiko is getting the boot.

You made the right choice IMO :D

darthviper107
10-13-2008, 09:28 AM
It's really impressive how nice the sculpting on the Two-Face head turned out considering 2 separate arists worked on it, it could easily have come out a mismatch. I wonder if Andy B. got to do the burnt side, he's still with DC right?

Yeah that's what I was thinking--people here are talking about how the sculptor screwed up the burned side but they might actually be one of the sculptors that we know here.

Remember what scale this is in guys

Buttmunch
10-13-2008, 09:34 AM
:drool

That is all I have to say.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 09:38 AM
Yeah that's what I was thinking--people here are talking about how the sculptor screwed up the burned side but they might actually be one of the sculptors that we know here.

I don't even think that side is screwed up, looks right to me, just the charred spots don't have the gravelly texture to them, but skin texture's HT's deal, Medicom a bit but not as nice, so naturally the U.S. sculptor would not get that effect and I'm guessing out of respect or whatever, HT didn't touch their work. Now, HT could have shared their technique :D I'd love to see SSC figures with skin texture :drool

Kuzeh
10-13-2008, 09:39 AM
Wow...
this figure looks impressive!!
HT is seriously kicking some serious ass this year...
wow...
But I'll pass...
too much going on right now...

Nuka Cola Kidd
10-13-2008, 09:50 AM
The burnt head is definitely based off that concept pic...there's no hole in the nose, and no patchy parts of exposed flesh.Hopefully HT will take heed of these inaccuracies before the release date.Other than that, the Eckhart head is flawless.

for one...the hole in the nose is there, but its not an actual hole cause that would just look stupid.

and i love it... glad i got my pre-order with joe in second.

galactiboy
10-13-2008, 09:55 AM
It's really impressive how nice the sculpting on the Two-Face head turned out considering 2 separate arists worked on it, it could easily have come out a mismatch. I wonder if Andy B. got to do the burnt side, he's still with DC right?

I wondered if Andy was the sculptor on that as well... kind of strange they'd have an unamed US artist.

Evrybdyluvsjosh
10-13-2008, 09:57 AM
Hi this is my first post- I've been following the forums for a while so I feel weird actually saying anything, but it really does look to me like his coin is the same one from the teaser shot ( the Batman Forever coin.) I remember seeing the teaser shots of the original HT Joker and noting how the scars and paint were rather un-accurate and hoping that perhaps the production model would be different, to no avail. Can we really count on HT to update anything from these pictures?

Evrybdyluvsjosh
10-13-2008, 09:59 AM
Oh, and shame on them if they don't include a bunch of coins like they did with Joker's cards. Those things will be easier to lose than .......something very easy to lose!

pjam
10-13-2008, 10:11 AM
Thanks again wookster, great stuff!

As far as any transition on the sculpt, remember 2 sculptors sculpted this head in 2 parts, Yulli's Dent and someone else's TF, so it may have been impossible to match transitional elements during the sculpting process...

So , now that they have a 1 piece head, HT may opt to do some tweaking in that area. In any case, I am more than thrilled with this Figure.



More-

Interesting that the damaged part of the face is by a US artist, but no name yet, I wonder if the anonymity means it might have been someone involved in the movie, HT closer links to DCD now, might make that possible?

Looks seriously good though!

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/5TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/6TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/7TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/8TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/9TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/10TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/11TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/12TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/13TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/14TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 10:11 AM
I wondered if Andy was the sculptor on that as well... kind of strange they'd have an unamed US artist.

Unless the circumstances make the artist want to be anonymous. First assumption would be that it's someone involved with DCD, but perhaps it even goes back to WB somehow, and maybe they had to use a U.S. artist to protect reference material from getting out there.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 10:14 AM
Given the nature and figural needs of the character, I'm glad Harvey's a sculpted neck too, looks much more realistic this way.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/8TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

a-dev
10-13-2008, 10:18 AM
I'm seriously thinking of displaying this one as Harvey Dent rather than the more obvious Two-face. That headsculpt is simply fantastic.

fanboyz
10-13-2008, 10:23 AM
The sculpt is incredible. I glad they took out the neck joint. I'm never was a fan of it. Only Enterbay comes close to the realism. This is only a sample of better things to come.

Darthy
10-13-2008, 10:26 AM
WOW amazing !:horror

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 10:29 AM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/9TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

One thing's baffling me, they've got the burnt jacket going around the back of the collar, yet it looks almost as though the body of the jacket is only burnt on the front half, you can see the seam where the front and back meet, and there's this odd gap of undamaged cloth between the sleeve and the body for some reason, not sure why they did that. Looks alright, but would look better if the damaged elements blended more.

Lord Aykroyd
10-13-2008, 10:30 AM
So, is the stubble we saw in the earlier close ups a Hong repaint? :confused:

Sachiel
10-13-2008, 10:32 AM
It's there. It's just subtle.

darren1228
10-13-2008, 10:33 AM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/9TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

One thing's baffling me, they've got the burnt jacket going around the back of the collar, yet it looks almost as though the body of the jacket is only burnt on the front half, you can see the seam where the front and back meet, and there's this odd gap of undamaged cloth between the sleeve and the body for some reason, not sure why they did that. Looks alright, but would look better if the damaged elements blended more.

Hope they fix that....now that you mention it, it does look odd.

Rock83
10-13-2008, 10:34 AM
still early in the process...they will for sure fix that

Buttmunch
10-13-2008, 10:34 AM
Hi this is my first post- I've been following the forums for a while so I feel weird actually saying anything, but it really does look to me like his coin is the same one from the teaser shot ( the Batman Forever coin.) I remember seeing the teaser shots of the original HT Joker and noting how the scars and paint were rather un-accurate and hoping that perhaps the production model would be different, to no avail. Can we really count on HT to update anything from these pictures?

I think the coin holding hand has also switched from the right to the left.

Hopefully we will at least get Harvey's lucky coin and Two-Face's damaged coin.

I haven't really seen this mentioned, but doesn't the burnt half of the suit look like pleather? That is a much better choice than rubber. It actually looks fairly accurate too!

noisetrigger
10-13-2008, 10:36 AM
If they want to make the december deadline, I am very sure that this is pretty much the final figure.

doctor_joker
10-13-2008, 10:40 AM
Does joe still have these on pre-order because hot damn I need this figure to complete the triumverate(sp?).

Zoolander
10-13-2008, 10:41 AM
I think he is still taking orders

plasmid303
10-13-2008, 10:43 AM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/9TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

One thing's baffling me, they've got the burnt jacket going around the back of the collar, yet it looks almost as though the body of the jacket is only burnt on the front half, you can see the seam where the front and back meet, and there's this odd gap of undamaged cloth between the sleeve and the body for some reason, not sure why they did that. Looks alright, but would look better if the damaged elements blended more.

Perhaps it's a conscious choice made by Hot Toys. You'll notice that there's also a gap between the shoulder and the top of the arm sleeve and the burns also end at the elbow. Perhaps the back does have burn detailing that continues after the small gap.

The unburned area from elbow to wrist gets me wondering how HT managed to mix pleather(?) with the regular cloth material so well without being too obvious.

JGouse0498
10-13-2008, 10:43 AM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/9TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

One thing's baffling me, they've got the burnt jacket going around the back of the collar, yet it looks almost as though the body of the jacket is only burnt on the front half, you can see the seam where the front and back meet, and there's this odd gap of undamaged cloth between the sleeve and the body for some reason, not sure why they did that. Looks alright, but would look better if the damaged elements blended more.

Most likely, it's to allow the figure's articulation to move freely. The gap between the breast and sleeve is directly over the shoulder joint. As for the burns only on the front, perhaps it's because only the front was burnt? I don't remember ever seeing a good shot of Two-Face's suit from the back.

Personally, I am more than thrilled with what I'm seeing. It's better than anything I expected, and worrying about whatever small inaccuracies there are isn't worth the time.

King Darkness
10-13-2008, 10:45 AM
Damn, that is impressive!

Not sure if I will get it or not, but it is by far one of the best likenesses that I have ever seen!

pjam
10-13-2008, 10:48 AM
The King has spoken. :rock


Damn, that is impressive!

Not sure if I will get it or not, but it is by far one of the best likenesses that I have ever seen!

Wanderer
10-13-2008, 10:49 AM
Sweet figure and ANOTHER must have...Gripe? The transitioning between his normal and burnt side is jarring to me.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 10:50 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with the figure and blown away at how they've achieved the burnt clothes in a production manner, it's really more intrigue, I've been very curious how they would pull off the effect so that it could be repeated in a production process since what Les did on his cannot be done in production. It appears like it's a pleather type material, bit more rigid, but not rubber. I agree that it could be that they made certain spots "joints" in the suit to allow articulation, just stands out a little bit because of how crisp and new it looks amidst the burns.

spidermonkey
10-13-2008, 10:50 AM
Now I have to get this also, between Iron Man and this I'm gonna go broke. They need to stop this madness. :D

King Darkness
10-13-2008, 10:50 AM
The King has spoken. :rock

:rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock

Hi Paul :wave

doctor_joker
10-13-2008, 10:52 AM
That images of this figure are some of the most iconic images I've seen of any of these figures, except for TDK Bats in full squat. The Joker is just iconic, so there really isn't any iconic shot, but the shots of Two-Face are some of the most well posed, cinematic breathtaking shots I've seen. This figure will be on my shelf not as Dent (Dent is dead), but as Two-Face (soon to be mob boss extraordinaire).

I liked Dent, love Eckhart's protrayal of the character. But his Two-Face was by far the best on film I've seen. Would love to see him back in the movies (not the next one, but perhaps after Nolan is gone from the directors chair). This figure will be Two-Face forever to me, hopefully he comes Two-Face ready out of the box.

Nocturne
10-13-2008, 10:55 AM
Absolutely stunning, so glad I put in my pre-order just on the strength of the teaser shots

Moonloop
10-13-2008, 10:58 AM
WOW, that is HT best likeness yet! It really is dead on and looks like Eckhart in the flesh. I can't wait to get this.

plasmid303
10-13-2008, 11:11 AM
The likeness is so good that I wish they had captured the Bale portraits a bit better (not that Yulli didn't do a bang up job on those, 'cause she absolutely did).

For me the best 1/6 sculpts so far belong to HT's Dent and Enterbay's Jack Bauer, although we haven't seen much of him yet.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 11:14 AM
For me the best 1/6 sculpts so far belong to HT's Dent and Enterbay's Jack Bauer, although we haven't seen much of him yet.

I'd toss Sideshow's Old Ben Kenobi in there too. While it doesn't have the skin texturing or paint realism of Hot Toys, the sculpt itself is a masterpiece.

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 11:16 AM
Glad to see that the COIN is in fact loose and not sculpted to the hand.

Hope I don't lose it, or Harvey won't be able to make a decision.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 11:18 AM
Well I said it when coin speculation came up and I'll repeat it, I forsee now that coin becomes the most reported lost accessory ever. Fortunately I have cases for all my 1/6 accessories to store it in when I'm not taking photos of him. I wish this figure didn't look so good or they'd have waited until he was ready to ship to show him, I badly want to make photos with this one NOW.

Cap'n Cook
10-13-2008, 11:25 AM
WOW! Just.....wow...

Stunning. The Eckhart likeness is incredible. Cannot wait.

HT - announce Gordon already!!!

amarcord
10-13-2008, 11:27 AM
Great addition for the monster shelve

Spliff
10-13-2008, 11:30 AM
if the American sculptor is from DCD, I pray it was Villafane who worked on it.

Malice
10-13-2008, 11:34 AM
very nice glad i PO with joe!

aussieinnyc
10-13-2008, 11:42 AM
Looks fantastic - but then again I never really had any doubts that it would! I'm not sure that the two sides are lacking a better transition as much as the burnt side is really dark - much more black than I think the movie was. Lighten that up a little and the transition wouldn't be so jarring. The tie is also a little on the wide side, but that's REALLY getting picky.

As for the coin - I think one of the first things I'll be doing is making a silicone impression of it. NOT to recast and sell, but so that I can make myself a replacement when it inevitably gets lost somewhere!

BXCOLLECTOR
10-13-2008, 11:45 AM
he looks awesome

Elder_Predator2
10-13-2008, 11:57 AM
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nuka Cola Kidd
10-13-2008, 12:14 PM
haha and those of us who dont have a pair of "ungloved" hands for interrogation scene joker will now have a pair.

JustinLuck
10-13-2008, 12:39 PM
I always prefer a sculpted neck unless there is a reason not to, like if the neck is inside a built-in costume like Batman. I wish Sideshow had left Indy's neck alone. They could still use the prometheus body just like Hot Toys uses sculpted necks on Truetypes.


Given the nature and figural needs of the character, I'm glad Harvey's a sculpted neck too, looks much more realistic this way.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/8TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 12:45 PM
I always prefer a sculpted neck unless there is a reason not to, like if the neck is inside a built-in costume like Batman. I wish Sideshow had left Indy's neck alone. They could still use the prometheus body just like Hot Toys uses sculpted necks on Truetypes.

See, Indy's a case where you do want more poseability in the neck, but Harvey Dent and Two-Face pretty much just walked around and turned their heads, no need for a wide range of motion in the neck to represent the character.

DarthNeil
10-13-2008, 12:52 PM
:horror

Anyone know if/when TOYS2 will be getting these for pre-order?

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 12:55 PM
:horror

Anyone know if/when TOYS2 will be getting these for pre-order?

Sometime this week I'd say, usually once official word is out from HT, they've got it up for pre-order within a few days, I'll be keeping a vigil. Hopefully their price is competitive, BBTS has a good price but word is they get all these TDK figures well after a lot of places and I'm going to be impatient with Two-Face.

uscmhicks
10-13-2008, 12:58 PM
mine ... :rock
Looks bad ass. :rock

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 12:59 PM
I'm going to be impatient with Two-Face.

Mine's scheduled to arrive this Thursday!



Joking.... I wish.

So there's competing info -- is he scheduled NOW for December release in Asia...or is it still March/April delivery.

Perhaps they've upped the release date to get these out.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 01:01 PM
Mine's scheduled to arrive this Thursday!



Joking.... I wish.

So there's competing info -- is he scheduled NOW for December release in Asia...or is it still March/April delivery.

Perhaps they've upped the release date to get these out.

Or are DCD still getting them months after everyone else?

The early estimates came with no official images, I'd say go by whatever dealers come up with now that he's official. Toys2 should be a good mark for expected time, they're usually one of the first and since they don't PO until official HT word, whatever estimate they have should be right.

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 01:06 PM
Or are DCD still getting them months after everyone else?

The early estimates came with no official images, I'd say go by whatever dealers come up with now that he's official. Toys2 should be a good mark for expected time, they're usually one of the first and since they don't PO until official HT word, whatever estimate they have should be right.

This is from the HT site in conjunction with the new pics:

Release date : end DEC 2008 - Q1 2009

So, hopefully, Asia gets it in January and we get it by February/March.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 01:08 PM
I'd say it'll probably be somewhere between December and February.

DarthNeil
10-13-2008, 01:08 PM
Sometime this week I'd say, usually once official word is out from HT, they've got it up for pre-order within a few days, I'll be keeping a vigil. Hopefully their price is competitive, BBTS has a good price but word is they get all these TDK figures well after a lot of places and I'm going to be impatient with Two-Face.

Still waiting for Iron-Man V1 to appear on their site--- or did I miss it?

Being in the same country as Toys2 I love getting figs from them. If your vigil pays off please fire me a PM.:D

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 01:09 PM
Still waiting for Iron-Man V1 to appear on their site--- or did I miss it?

Being in the same country as Toys2 I love getting figs from them. If your vigil pays off please fire me a PM.:D

I pretty much check daily when the TDK figures go up for pre-order so once I see him up on their site I'll let you know.

Just to be safe, I place a PO with BBTS before they decide to up their price too, they've already updated with the new images, I imagine once popularity shows, they'll increase his price.

Dally
10-13-2008, 01:16 PM
haha and those of us who dont have a pair of "ungloved" hands for interrogation scene joker will now have a pair.

Exactly what I was thinking! :banana

IrishJedi
10-13-2008, 01:21 PM
I pretty much check daily when the TDK figures go up for pre-order so once I see him up on their site I'll let you know.

Just to be safe, I place a PO with BBTS before they decide to up their price too, they've already updated with the new images, I imagine once popularity shows, they'll increase his price.

You don't order for Joe? :confused:

(He's a SOX fan, by the way :rock )

Furious1
10-13-2008, 01:22 PM
Yea, Joe is the best.

pjam
10-13-2008, 01:28 PM
Yeah, HT is getting more adept at releasing stuff with the "Heat" from Film and DVD Release schedules. I ordered from Joe so we may actually be getting this sooner with the 1st Asian release. Maybe, we'll see..


This is from the HT site in conjunction with the new pics:

Release date : end DEC 2008 - Q1 2009

So, hopefully, Asia gets it in January and we get it by February/March.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 01:29 PM
You don't order for Joe? :confused:

Personal comfort having had issues with Hot Toys figures in the past and Toys2 taking good care of me, with the expense of these figures and their fragile nature, it makes me feel safter going a route I know for sure i'm covered through CS if there's a problem, I'd buy from SSC first because of their CS but they can never offer these. I really don't even know what quality BBTS customer service offers, they're just a safety net at the moment.

minivader
10-13-2008, 01:37 PM
fantastic HS for sure. Though I wish HT would start add some more expression to their HS, not just stern.....

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/7TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

and sterner......

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/3TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

thanks wookster for the pix. :D

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 01:39 PM
I think for the most part, HT's pretty good at using facial expression to capture the character best in the sculpt. When you're limited to one expression, you have to take the average expression that best shows the character. I think for dent, stern is good, he's focused on accomplishing his task and calculating the situation around him.

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 01:40 PM
That jacket looks great!

uscmhicks
10-13-2008, 01:42 PM
this and bank robber take top spot for me now as the best in the line .
They both are extremely bad ass and the figures to have from this line. :rock:rock

shaun-o
10-13-2008, 01:46 PM
Ordered:
http://www.amazingtoyz.com/DCTDK.html

And I can pick it up w/o shipping charges>

Zoolander
10-13-2008, 01:46 PM
this and bank robber take top spot for me now as the best in the line .
They both are extremely bad ass and the figures to have from this line. :rock:rock

Batman was only the third best thing about the movie and now the figures seem to be imitating the movie :monkey3:lol

aussieinnyc
10-13-2008, 01:50 PM
Looking at the jacket again it really does seem to be a distressed pleather, which is actually a really cool and inventive approach. My question/concern though, is that if I think about any pleather I've seen that has started to flake like this, it doesn't stop. What are the chances that Harvey's jacket will continue to deteriorate, and pretty quickly? I wouldn't be surprised if Harvey Dent jackets become quite valuable on eBay as people buy them in order to paint/latex/silicone them to create a longer-lasting jacket (that doesn't have the strange "perfect" panels that MaulFan pointed out). Looking closer, I'm not a fan of the dark shading around the exposed teeth either...but again, I'm being WAY too picky.

a-dev
10-13-2008, 02:14 PM
The likeness is so good that I wish they had captured the Bale portraits a bit better (not that Yulli didn't do a bang up job on those, 'cause she absolutely did).

For me the best 1/6 sculpts so far belong to HT's Dent and Enterbay's Jack Bauer, although we haven't seen much of him yet.

I concur about your choices for best 1/6th headsculpts. Though I'd add '24' David palmer and Bank robber Joker in their too. Even without the Hong paintjob Joker looks amazing. Heres hoping those 24 figures end up as good as early shots would indicate.

DarthNeil
10-13-2008, 02:15 PM
You don't order for Joe? :confused:

(He's a SOX fan, by the way :rock )

I'm an Expos fan (thus I don't like baseball anymore:naughty)... I've got TDK Bats (new suit) ordered through Joe-- But shipping/custom fees are a pain so to have the North American distributor of HT in my own backyard (somewhat) is great.

Now I do have Iron-Man V3 and V2 ordered through SSC but one was with mostly magic points and V2 was to get the awesome Exclusive... The HT Joker and Original Bats that adorn one of my shelves came from toys2.:banana

Thanks Maulfan, I'd appreciate the heads-up if you see Harvey (or Iron-Man V1 for that matter) there.

D'oh!
10-13-2008, 02:18 PM
Years ago, I corrected my friends who called my stuff "action figures" by telling them no, I collect "miniature sculptures." The Harvey Dent head in particular is definitely a miniature sculpture -- you can't tell me it isn't art!

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 02:19 PM
I'll definitely be staining the suit shirt to make it more accurrate, thanks to DA, I know what I'm doing as far as staining clothes.

Grange Wallis
10-13-2008, 02:24 PM
This is probably the stupidest thing I've read in my life.

Anyway, the High Res pictures kinda made it worse for me, I hope they do something about the paint and sculpt of the burned side, cause it's based on the concept art, which is not the same as the movie scars.

Well you must have had a pretty sheltered up bring... My point is that it is a 1/6 scale representation. It'll never be 100% accurate and if you want that, you're deluding yourself. I think the figure extremely well done, and Hot Toys should be proud of their work here. And I also think anyone post negative comments about it, is either too talented for their own good, because if they can flaw it, they must be able to produce better themselves. Or they are so lonely, they're trying to be controversial just so they my invoke some human interaction...

Which brings be to my next point, which I've already raised, you need to find yourself a girl mate! :monkey3

Rock83
10-13-2008, 02:37 PM
I cant find any flaws on this one,seriously,its PERFECT,just as BR Joker...

Alice Adrenochrome
10-13-2008, 02:46 PM
Oh man! This can't be passed!!!!! I'm still waiting for Batman, annd the Joker, and now this!!

Fives
10-13-2008, 03:10 PM
I cant find any flaws on this one,seriously,its PERFECT,just as BR Joker...

dont worry Rock....i'm sure some will find a flaw or two. but i do agree with you on it being PERFECT!!!

doctor_joker
10-13-2008, 03:13 PM
fantastic HS for sure. Though I wish HT would start add some more expression to their HS, not just stern.....

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/7TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

and sterner......

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/3TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

thanks wookster for the pix. :D

With that kind of damage he wasn't really able to do much other then stern and more stern. except for yell. I get the looks but the Two-Face head is tops for me, I wouldn't want him any other kind of expression. He's just blank waiting for his coin to do the choosing.

TheDarkKnight_NL
10-13-2008, 03:20 PM
ok, I have to order this :) can't wait for my next paycheck

Bardoon
10-13-2008, 03:24 PM
Yulli is the best sculptor ever...she is amazing.

Grange Wallis
10-13-2008, 03:29 PM
She's quite cute too & seem really lovely... I reckon working at Hot Toys would be a hoot! They all seem like uber nice people, doing what they love and having a great time. I think that's why they produce all the best stuff, because they all love what they're doing and want to be the best thay can be!

Can't wait for this figure!!!

uscmhicks
10-13-2008, 03:35 PM
:rock me neither. Its my most anticipated figure now... I always say that about the new ones though . :lol
This ones gonna be exceptionally awesome . :rock:rock2

The Ringer
10-13-2008, 04:04 PM
"Your a lucky man"
*flips coin*
"But he's not"

"Who"

"Your Driver"
*buckles safetly belt*

Rock83
10-13-2008, 04:06 PM
I said to myself that i should stick to Batman and Joker and no other figure from TDK,because i dont find Two Face or Gordon important,but when i see this Two face i have to have it.I love the figure,not the character from the movie...which makes me a true Toy freak:lol

Zoolander
10-13-2008, 04:07 PM
I said to myself that i should stick to Batman and Joker and no other figure from TDK,because i dont find Two Face or Gordon important,but when i see this Two face i have to have it.I love the figure,not the character from the movie...which makes me a true Toy freak:lol

hot toys has you by the balls :D

Rock83
10-13-2008, 04:11 PM
hot toys has you by the balls :D

yeah im weak...i wouldnt have any problem skipping this figure for what it represent(from the movie),but like i said,im a Toy Freak,simple as that:joy

Grange Wallis
10-13-2008, 04:13 PM
Just ordered from ABC Express buy it now price of $128USD + $40 shipping to Australia... Thank god I had some money in USD in my PayPal... the AUD is only buying 70c of the USD... Hard times for the collector... Will have to cancel my 1:1 Iron Man now... :(

CelticPredator
10-13-2008, 04:19 PM
I said to myself that i should stick to Batman and Joker and no other figure from TDK,because i dont find Two Face or Gordon important,but when i see this Two face i have to have it.I love the figure,not the character from the movie...which makes me a true Toy freak:lol

Two Face is THE main part of the story...he's a 100% important.

ffejeromdiks
10-13-2008, 04:20 PM
Yeah, the main focus of the movie wasn't batman or joker, it was Harvey's decline into madness.

Rock83
10-13-2008, 04:21 PM
Two Face is THE main part of the story...he's a 100% important.

yeah i know,but im not a big fan of Two face,thats all,i know he is important in the movie...but you know what i meant.

CelticPredator
10-13-2008, 04:26 PM
No I didnt. I do now, but it seemed like you didnt think he was important.

SOLIDSNAKE
10-13-2008, 04:26 PM
WOW !!

FANTASTIC !! man hot toys just keeps kicking ass !!

Rock83
10-13-2008, 04:29 PM
No I didnt. I do now, but it seemed like you didnt think he was important.

Oh i know he`s important for the story,but i meant for ME personally,he was not the "Figure material" to spend 150$ on earlier,until i saw it today.

Zoolander
10-13-2008, 04:32 PM
Two Face is THE main part of the story...he's a 100% important.

nah Harvey Dent was far more important than Two Face :lecture:D:monkey3

LChinoz
10-13-2008, 04:32 PM
To me DK was Joker's movie and always will be. Two-face represented what chaos (in the form of the Joker) could do to even the strongest heroes. Two-face was Joker's message to Gotham, that no one is really a hero. No one is uncorruptable.

scubasteve
10-13-2008, 04:35 PM
While Nolan himself stated that Dent was the "backbone of TDK," Joker was the meat and Batman was just the sauce.

CelticPredator
10-13-2008, 04:40 PM
Rachel Daws was the nasty tomato you need to take off once they give it to ya. Gross.

JGouse0498
10-13-2008, 04:50 PM
While Nolan himself stated that Dent was the "backbone of TDK," Joker was the meat and Batman was just the sauce.

Personally, I didn't really see Harvey as the focal point of the story.

I saw the focal point as the opposing forces of order and chaos with the alliance of Batman/Gordon/Harvey on one side and Joker/Two-Face/the Mob on the other. No one character dominated the film because all were very powerful characters.

plasmid303
10-13-2008, 04:54 PM
While Nolan himself stated that Dent was the "backbone of TDK," Joker was the meat and Batman was just the sauce.

Sounds delicious.

scubasteve
10-13-2008, 04:54 PM
Personally, I didn't really see Harvey as the focal point of the story.

I saw the focal point as the opposing forces of order and chaos with the alliance of Batman/Gordon/Harvey on one side and Joker/Two-Face/the Mob on the other. No one character dominated the film because all were very powerful characters.

While there were some "powerful characters", you'd be lying to yourself to say that you weren't anxiously awaiting Ledger's Joker to return to the screen between scenes, and when he did, you were fixated. He took the cake.

JGouse0498
10-13-2008, 04:56 PM
While there were some "powerful characters", you'd be lying to yourself to say that you weren't anxiously awaiting Ledger's Joker to return to the screen between scenes, and when he did, you were fixated.

Oh, I definitely was. Without the Joker, the movie would not have been as spectacular. Still, Batman/Bruce Wayne, Harvey/Two-Face, and Gordon were so well written and portrayed that Ledger's Joker couldn't fully steal the limelight from him.

AFR
10-13-2008, 05:26 PM
booyah, this fig is sooo gonna rock! pics look fantastic, Eckhart's likeness is uncanny, glad they have 2 jackets coming along w/ this set!

HT continues to baffle and amaze me!

AFR

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 05:30 PM
Two-Face is the intended end-result of the Joker's symbolic war: that all men can be corrupted.

Joker created Two-Face.

Therefore Two-Face is a subplot...and does not carry the story. He carries the dark side of the message. Batman, at the end, reacts with the heroic, ultimately incorruptible response to that message.

JGouse0498
10-13-2008, 05:35 PM
Two-Face is the intended end-result of the Joker's symbolic war: that all men can be corrupted.

Joker created Two-Face.

Therefore Two-Face is a subplot...and does not carry the story. He carries the dark side of the message. Batman, at the end, reacts with the heroic, ultimately incorruptible response to that message.

I completely agree with most of that.

However, Batman has become "corruptible" at the end of The Dark Knight--at least in Gotham's eyes. It won't be until the final act (i.e. - third film) that Batman is seen as completely incorruptible because he will have endured this and be redeemed in the city's eyes.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 05:40 PM
Well, I'm not sure you could really say Batman was seen as uncorruptable. While Gotham was for the most part happy to see things getting a bit better on the streets, Batman was still met with mixed feelings, to blame him for Two-Face's crimes would not shock anyone.

Harvey Dent was elected as the face of Gotham's cure and seen as a man who could do no wrong, and truly, he didn't until the Joker twisted him.

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 05:40 PM
I completely agree with most of that.

However, Batman has become "corruptible" at the end of The Dark Knight--at least in Gotham's eyes.

Yes, but for him, as a hero, he remains "fighting the good fight" -- whether he gets the credit or not in the eyes of Gotham. It's called a sacrifice. The ultimate heroic deed. That's why the ending is so bitter sweet. I'm not talking about the act of a cover-up or that the Joker indeed wins ultimately, I just mean the sacrificial act that Batman makes as heroic versus the corrupted foil that Dent becomes.


Well, I'm not sure you could really say Batman was seen as uncorruptable. While Gotham was for the most part happy to see things getting a bit better on the streets, Batman was still met with mixed feelings, to blame him for Two-Face's crimes would not shock anyone.

Harvey Dent was elected as the face of Gotham's cure and seen as a man who could do no wrong, and truly, he didn't until the Joker twisted him.


Exactly. Batman is an antihero. He remains the unsung hero. He must. That's the point. He runs...so we can chase him. The point is, he's doing it for the right reasons.

Spliff
10-13-2008, 05:42 PM
i'm surprised no one cares Nolan turned Batman into a killer... >_>

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 05:43 PM
Yes, but for him, as a hero, he remains "fighting the good fight" -- whether he gets the credit or not in the eyes of Gotham. It's called a sacrifice. The ultimate heroic deed. That's why the ending is so bitter sweet. I'm not talking about the act of a cover-up or that the Joker indeed wins ultimately, I just mean the sacrificial act that Batman makes as heroic versus the corrupted foil that Dent becomes.

Some of the best dialogue in TDK revolves around that.

"He's not being a hero, he's being something more." - Alfred

"He's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one we need right now, so we'll hunt, and he'll take it because he's not a hero, he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight." - Gordon

IrishJedi
10-13-2008, 05:43 PM
I think it will all seem rather trite and unrealistic come March. ;) :lol

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 05:43 PM
i'm surprised no one cares Nolan turned Batman into a killer... >_>

Because it's only in the eyes of Gotham, not literal.

Spliff
10-13-2008, 05:46 PM
well I mean, he threw Two-Face off that ledge with him...which killed him.

so...

zeelhar
10-13-2008, 05:48 PM
did he die or did just hd die

doctor_joker
10-13-2008, 05:48 PM
I said to myself that i should stick to Batman and Joker and no other figure from TDK,because i dont find Two Face or Gordon important,but when i see this Two face i have to have it.I love the figure,not the character from the movie...which makes me a true Toy freak:lol

Believe me when I tell you I know how you feel. I told my wife it's just Robbery Joker and TDK Bats. I told her that Two-Face I might be interested in, but probably not. Well guess who was right, my wife. She said "I bet 10 to 1 you'll want it."

I now have a pre-order with Joe. sheesh, I'm like a crack addict when it comes to these figures. Gordon however I want, but will not buy for the sake of my marriage ... that and I don't want to sleep on the couch.

The Ringer
10-13-2008, 05:49 PM
Some of the best dialogue in TDK revolves around that.

"He's not being a hero, he's being something more." - Alfred

"He's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one we need right now, so we'll hunt, and he'll take it because he's not a hero, he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight." - Gordon

One of my favorite of many quotes!:clap

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 05:50 PM
well I mean, he threw Two-Face off that ledge with him...which killed him.

so...

Batman kills lots of people....like innocent mob workers just trying to bring home some money for their family...he burns his mentors home to the ground, then when that mentor returns with a somewhat extreme urban redevelopment plan, Batman kills him too. He's a murderous bastard.

zeelhar
10-13-2008, 05:51 PM
even in the comics ra's dies alot

plasmid303
10-13-2008, 05:52 PM
Batman started out a killer (in the comics). Dude carried a friggin' gun. Crazy ^^^^^^^. Purple gloves and all.

viper12383
10-13-2008, 05:56 PM
i've been collecting 1/6 almost a year now and i thought id drop it and get into statues but hot toys keeps pulling me back. just preordered this guy with joe lol. ive also preordered mark III and trying to resist getting I and II

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 05:57 PM
well I mean, he threw Two-Face off that ledge with him...which killed him.

so...

True, but both of Batman's killings of villains were more incidental. Ra's wanted to speed the train through Gotham, Batman said fine, I'll help, I'll run it full speed and knock the tracks out from under you, making it really Ra's own doing that leads to his death, "I won't kill you...but I don't have to save you either." Ra's was left to die by his own hands ultimately, and really that's what happened to Two-Face. He chose to take hostages and threaten lives and in his best option to take down Two-Face without anyone getting hurt, Batman was force to take him off a ledge and wasn't able to save him, but again, it was Harvey's actions that put him in a position to die. That's really where Batman's stance on death lies, he will not put people in a position to die, but if his enemies put themselves in a position where they could die from their choices and what he must do to resolve a situation can't avoid them dying as the consequence of their actions, so be it.

I don't think Batman's behavior ever gives the "killer" vibe, which is why it sits just fine with most folks.

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 05:57 PM
i've been collecting 1/6 almost a year now and i thought id drop it and get into statues but hot toys keeps pulling me back. just preordered this guy with joe lol. ive also preordered mark III and trying to resist getting I and II

Mark 1 is AWESOME! How can you not get that?

LChinoz
10-13-2008, 05:59 PM
Batman's actions have lead to death, but he has not purposely killed anyone. His actions were to save another first, and what happens as a result is usually out of his hands. First and foremost his duty is to save those in trouble.

Spliff
10-13-2008, 05:59 PM
True, but both of Batman's killings of villains were more incidental. Ra's wanted to speed the train through Gotham, Batman said fine, I'll help, I'll run it full speed and knock the tracks out from under you, making it really Ra's own doing that leads to his death, "I won't kill you...but I don't have to save you either." Ra's was left to die by his own hands ultimately, and really that's what happened to Two-Face. He chose to take hostages and threaten lives and in his best option to take down Two-Face without anyone getting hurt, Batman was force to take him off a ledge and wasn't able to save him, but again, it was Harvey's actions that put him in a position to die. That's really where Batman's stance on death lies, he will not put people in a position to die, but if his enemies put themselves in a position where they could die from their choices and what he must do to resolve a situation can't avoid them dying as the consequence of their actions, so be it.

I don't think Batman's behavior ever gives the "killer" vibe, which is why it sits just fine with most folks.
in all that time he took to bumrush Two-Face he could just threw a batarang at his gun hand, and that would've solved the problem.

and why couldn't he have let Two-Face land on HIM, like he did with Rachel? he's a killer!

Scar
10-13-2008, 06:00 PM
did he die or did just hd die

Funny story; When Eckhart tried to ask Nolan the same question, Nolan responded, "You're dead," before he even got the words out of his mouth. The interview can be found here (http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=7641).

There you'll find Eckhart confirm that Harvey Dent/Two-Face is indeed dead. Also, the shooting script has that written in as well, that his neck breaks in the fall, afterward exactly stating "DEAD" in all caps.

That said, I am SO glad that I placed my order with Joe.:rock. There are a few things I hope they correct. I'm not seeing the burnt hole of a nostril on the left side, though some seem to believe it's there. I'd like to see more of the bone showing through, and the coin is an obvious point... I hope it's corrected to show a sterling side and a burnt side.

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 06:07 PM
There you'll find Eckhart confirm that Harvey Dent/Two-Face is indeed dead. Also, the shooting script has that written in as well, that his neck breaks in the fall, afterward exactly stating "DEAD" in all caps.

But now that Joker is dead, Two-Face will be back...maybe as the UnDead.

I always saw it as Harvey was dead... Two-Face lives on.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 06:09 PM
and why couldn't he have let Two-Face land on HIM, like he did with Rachel? he's a killer!

He tackled him like a football player and Gordon's son was in the middle of it all, he's got 2 arms, his reaction was to hold onto the boy and manage to keep himself up to save the boy. If it had just been him and Harvey, I'm sure it'd have played out with Batman breaking the fall to save him. He tried to save Harvey from going down the wrong path, when he wouldn't listen, that was the point where Two-Face accepted consequences of his choices and ultimately it was his death.

gdb
10-13-2008, 06:10 PM
Two-Face is the intended end-result of the Joker's symbolic war: that all men can be corrupted.

Joker created Two-Face.

Therefore Two-Face is a subplot...and does not carry the story. He carries the dark side of the message. Batman, at the end, reacts with the heroic, ultimately incorruptible response to that message.

The story is the story of Faust. Which in turn is the story of Job.

Harvey Two-Face is Faust/Job. The Joker is Mephistopheles tyring to corrupt him. Batman is God. Except in Job and in Faust, God only makes a bet with the Devil in the begining of the story and gets out of the way. In this story, Batman participates. So the arugement is: can the Joker corrupt a man's soul or can Batman redeem him? And the end is that Batman can only redeem half of Harvey's soul -- or maybe he can redeem all of it but only after death and only by taking the blame for Harvey's sins on himself.

In Faust, God redeems Faust's soul only by having his angels distract the Devil's demons as Faust descends to Hell so he can escape to Heaven.

At the same time, Batman and the Joker are two sides of one personality. They exist on their own but they come together in Two-Face who is half Batman, half Joker.

Scar
10-13-2008, 06:27 PM
But now that Joker is dead, Two-Face will be back...maybe as the UnDead.

I always saw it as Harvey was dead... Two-Face lives on.

Always saw it as Harvey somewhere deep within, and you see him resurface every now and again throughout comics in Two-Face's fleeting moments of compassion. It would have been sensible to "kill" Harvey psychologically but allow Two-Face to "live" on. I think it would have removed some of the emotional impact of the ending of TDK, as well as in future bat pics when you know there is no good left in this man whatsoever, but that's a matter of personal taste. I like the "Empire Strikes Back"-like feel at the end of TDK, with the villain winning, and the heroes left having lost a great deal but salvaging what moral and tangible fragments remain. Unlike Han Solo, though, it looks like there isn't a return in store for Two-Face. Nolan has confirmed, as has Eckhart, that the characters of both Harvey Dent and Two-Face are dead. The fall cancelled them both. Original plan for the series was to have Two-Face as the villain ultimately in the third, similar to Dark Victory in many plot respects. It's been a continually evolving process with the plot, the Joker eventually slated for the third installment as well, but doubtless to all of our dismay, that's no longer the case. With that not in store now, I still would like Bane. He's definitely do-able, though I know many are set firmly against it. I feel bile surge up my esophagus every time I hear Depp bandied about as the Riddler. Bring on Bane.

zeelhar
10-13-2008, 06:32 PM
in the Hush comic line plastic surgery fixed Dent face and he came back as harvey dent and two face was gone

peeping tom
10-13-2008, 06:32 PM
Depp as Riddler would kick ass, but not after the Joker. They are to much alike.

Scar
10-13-2008, 06:40 PM
in the Hush comic line plastic surgery fixed Dent face and he came back as harvey dent and two face was gone

Two-Face is back. You've got some catching up to do, my friend. ;) Kidding, DC doesn't make it easy with "infinite earths". There are so many crises always going on that I never know what details I need to catch up on when reading a cool new issue. I'd hate to learn halfway through an awesome new DC series that in order to fully appreciate the details of the comic, I would need to know the backstory of Booster Gold's third cousin twice removed, who once adopted a sick cat which was actually Desaad in disguise, all featured in a Wonder Woman one-shot...:banghead

I'm hoping things are starting to turn around. DC seems like it's actually starting to mitigate a LOT of the problems with convolution.

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 06:41 PM
it looks like there isn't a return in store for Two-Face. Nolan has confirmed, as has Eckhart, that the characters of both Harvey Dent and Two-Face are dead.

I didn't know that it was confirmed. I thought it was just chit-chat. That's too bad if true. Two-Face is a great villain and there's a lot to explore with him. You'd think a third film (Redemption as it may be) wouldn't be complete without resurrecting Two-Face and having Batman ultimately reach back into his soul and bring back "the good man"...at least in his final action before he must die.

I also like the two-movie bridge for Two-Face; one centering primarily on Dent, one centering primarily on his evil alter-ego...with a finale that he is, in the end, one man after all.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 06:45 PM
I didn't know that it was confirmed. I thought it was just chit-chat. That's too bad if true. Two-Face is a great villain and there's a lot to explore with him. You'd think a third film (Redemption as it may be) wouldn't be complete without resurrecting Two-Face and having Batman ultimately reach back into his soul and bring back "the good man"...at least in his final action before he must die.

I also like the two-movie bridge for Two-Face; one centering primarily on Dent, one centering primarily on his evil alter-ego...with a finale that he is, in the end, one man after all.

I agree, but having seen TDK now, I don't think it'd work. If Nolan's Two-Face were the split personality version of the character, spreading him over two films would be great. As Nolan presented him, his story began and ended in one film.

Nolan's Two-Face was just a scarred Harvey Dent that got pissed at the world and having spent his life believing in chance and fate, even though he made his own, he came to see that it all as blind chance, and the coin toss was simply a physical embodiment of chance, not so much the decision over which Harvey to listen to, so there isn't much that a second film with Two-Face could explore. I love the design, and I wish Two-Face had more of the duality, but as Nolan made him, he worked great in the one film and the more I see and have time to reflect on TDk, I feel his story was well rounded.

Devil_666
10-13-2008, 06:47 PM
I thought this was the TDK movie debate thread until I saw this:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/1TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

lol..

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 06:50 PM
Just carried away with excitement.

Scar
10-13-2008, 06:51 PM
Just carried away with excitement.

Likewise. It's a little hard not to.

MaulFan
10-13-2008, 06:54 PM
Just carried away with excitement.


Likewise. It's a little hard not to.

And why should we have to restrain...welcome to a thread without rules....

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Devil_666
10-13-2008, 07:03 PM
Two-Face in TDK was cool.. because TDK also had The Joker. But imho an ENTIRE movie with JUST Two-Face would suck. The short amount of screen time Two-Face had in TDK showed the extent of that character and what could be done with him. So I'm cool with the confirmed news that Two-Face is dead and won't be appearing in any more Nolan Batman movies.

jstep13
10-13-2008, 07:06 PM
lol @ medicom two-face. Why do they even try?

toyreveewer
10-13-2008, 07:08 PM
lol @ medicom two-face. Why do they even try?

compaired to ht, they shouldt have. :lol

cerealkeller
10-13-2008, 07:12 PM
Two-Face should have been in #3, but his story worked better than I hoped in TDK. Was really pissed the first time I saw the movie that Nolan chose to kill him, but I've simmered down since then and his rise and fall were handled very well.

On topic, HT rocks my world and I personally would like to thank them for giving me the best Batman collectibles I've ever received. Keep it coming is all I can really say (and please give me Gordon.....pretty please?)

darthviper107
10-13-2008, 07:17 PM
Well, they could have him come back if they really wanted to, it'd be weird but not like it couldn't happen.

Bardoon
10-13-2008, 07:18 PM
The thing they didn't really touch on was the dual-personalities of Harvey Dent. The Two-Face persona is supposed to be two sides of the same coin (no pun intended) while in THE DARK KNIGHT, Two-Face was shown more as a twisted vigilante who was driven to the brink by the death of Rachel Dawes (and his own disfigurement). Instead of giving birth to the "Two-Face personality"...it just drove him into giving into his deepest desires for vengeance (in line with the Joker's schemes).

For the purposes of Two-Face in TDK...he did well. They could have very well indeed pushed Two-Face further and into the sequel had they revealed the multiple personalities (IMO)...giving Dent more reason to slip into the villain position even further than just his twisted revenge for Dawes' death.

Dr.Mirakle32
10-13-2008, 07:29 PM
I hope Scarecrow is next. After him, then maybe HT could make a Gordon...

LockJaw
10-13-2008, 07:34 PM
Hot Toys+Dark Knight License=what do you think?! AWESOME

now all i need is a Scarecrow!
i truly hope Hot Toys cashes in with him
the thing that truly moves The Batman series
is the B-Man himself and his Villains
Hot Toys has GOT to make him

but one thing, they must include his straightjacket
mix it up a little bit, Two-Face wears a suit (damaged though it may be) and Joker's got a suit

oh i showed this figure to my girlfriend
and she said she would help me create an actual two tone suit for it.. :woo
..i'm seriously going to marry this woman :bouncin :fireworks

anyone know if Toys2net
will replenish these suits?

http://www.toys2.net/product.php?productid=20664&cat=252&page=1

http://www.toys2.net/product.php?productid=20663&cat=252&page=1

Malice
10-13-2008, 07:35 PM
I thought this was the TDK movie debate thread until I saw this:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/1TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

lol..

any ideas if he's going to have a exclusive piece?:confused:

DarkArtist81
10-13-2008, 07:38 PM
I thought this was the TDK movie debate thread until I saw this:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r262/retskoow/Pred%20bust/1TDK_Two-Face_HarveyDent.jpg

lol..

Man.... that is one of the most stunning figures I have ever seen. :bow

Hot Toys rocks.

Evrybdyluvsjosh
10-13-2008, 07:53 PM
haha and those of us who dont have a pair of "ungloved" hands for interrogation scene joker will now have a pair.

I'm glad I'm not the only person too lazy and cheap to buy another truetype body or search for loose hands on ebay.

galactiboy
10-13-2008, 07:58 PM
I still think we'll see Two-Face again... no reason not too. It was definitely an ambiguous enough scene that you could whip him up for a sequel.

Dally
10-13-2008, 08:12 PM
I still think we'll see Two-Face again... no reason not too. It was definitely an ambiguous enough scene that you could whip him up for a sequel.

Eckhart asked Nolan if he was dead and Nolan said that he was. So unless Nolan changes his mind about that it looks like no more Two-Face. :(

galactiboy
10-13-2008, 08:15 PM
And I choose to believe he is lying to the interviewer :lol

Evrybdyluvsjosh
10-13-2008, 08:24 PM
I think its better if he's dead. Am I the only person who thinks its more interesting when the same awesome characters don't keep reoccurring? Superman died and that was awesome..........and then he came back. Plot these days is all about making something work, and if it works, doing it again in some variation. Nolan probably will make another Batman movie, considering how successful this one was, but Two-Face is better with the finality of the second movie. Him coming back like he always did in the animated version is cheapening. The Joker, on the other hand, would be awesome- would it not be great if the Joker from TDK remained incarcerated while someone decided to become a copycat Joker and do those evil things even better? That makes the Joker a pervasive, viral sort of entity. I hope Nolan follows that route- it works so well considering that Heath is gone and is much better than just recasting the character.

Back on topic- More nitpicking, but HT gave him bad teeth. Eckhart had great dental hygiene in the movie as evidenced by those screencaps from Empire Magazine.

doctor_joker
10-13-2008, 08:25 PM
yeah ... and this was also the guy who said Rachel wouldn't die either. But guess what happened with that, her poor ol' bum got blown to crap and back. go figure.

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 08:28 PM
yeah ... and this was also the guy who said Rachel wouldn't die either. But guess what happened with that, her poor ol' bum got blown to crap and back. go figure.

No, I heard they're bringing Rachel back for the third. She's such an integral part of the franchise -- both to story and to the merchandising. Nolan: I wouldn't think of coming back unless Rachel is part of it.

Joker, Two-Face out -- Rachel in!

EVILFACE
10-13-2008, 08:35 PM
so who is going to paint their burned side green like the comics?

Grange Wallis
10-13-2008, 08:36 PM
in all that time he took to bumrush Two-Face he could just threw a batarang at his gun hand, and that would've solved the problem.

and why couldn't he have let Two-Face land on HIM, like he did with Rachel? he's a killer!

Did he even throw one in the whole movie... I sure he didn't...

Evrybdyluvsjosh
10-13-2008, 08:43 PM
No, I heard they're bringing Rachel back for the third. She's such an integral part of the franchise -- both to story and to the merchandising. Nolan: I wouldn't think of coming back unless Rachel is part of it.

Joker, Two-Face out -- Rachel in!

And after what happened to Dent when he managed to get pretty far away from the exploding building, what would Rachel look like? Harvey "Two-Face" Dent...Rachel "Charred-and-Burnt-to-a-Dry-Husk" Dawes?

scubasteve
10-13-2008, 08:54 PM
http://img2.timeinc.net/toh/i/a/tools/wood-ashes-00.jpg

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 08:55 PM
http://img2.timeinc.net/toh/i/a/tools/wood-ashes-00.jpg

:lol

Limited Edition Rachel Dawes TDK 1/6th figure.

scubasteve
10-13-2008, 08:57 PM
:lol

Limited Edition Rachel Dawes TDK 1/6th figure.

Quick! Somebody slap some Hot Toys logos and mood lighting on it, before anyone notices!

Dally
10-13-2008, 08:57 PM
And I choose to believe he is lying to the interviewer :lol

I hope. I want more Two-Face!

CelticPredator
10-13-2008, 09:13 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/depot/DKJT.jpg

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 09:21 PM
:lol Awesome!

The love of Dent's life, reduced to...

pjam
10-13-2008, 09:27 PM
Classic! Wel done CP.. so to speak.. :lol


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/depot/DKJT.jpg

Evrybdyluvsjosh
10-13-2008, 09:27 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/depot/DKJT.jpg

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lolI can see alot of Maggie in that sculpt. All it needs is a quote and product description.

Hot Toys - MMS69 - The Dark Knight - RACHEL DAWES- Preorder Now!!!

"RACHEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RACCCCCCCCCCHEEEEEEEEL!!!"
"Harvey, Harvey. It's Ok....Somewhere *BOOM*"

Hot Toys is proud to announce the eighth from the Dark Knight movie series 1/6th scale RACHEL DAWES- CHARRED REMAINS!

The figure stands approximately 1.3 inches tall and features .....some articulation!

l Film-authentic costume
| realistic debris texture!

EVILFACE
10-13-2008, 09:28 PM
I don't see enough fleshy parts.

DarkArtist81
10-13-2008, 09:32 PM
That's hilarious. All you need is a charred skeletal hand holding a coin sticking out... instant classic. :lol

Devil_666
10-13-2008, 09:32 PM
Jesus.. even as dust she's STILL ugly. :(

CelticPredator
10-13-2008, 09:44 PM
Lololololl....

Wor-Gar
10-13-2008, 09:47 PM
The figure stands approximately 1.3 inches tall

:lol :lol :lol

Nuka Cola Kidd
10-13-2008, 10:15 PM
hahahahahahahaha

Nuka Cola Kidd
10-13-2008, 10:18 PM
ok why is his thumb(on the coin hand) so big....thats gonna bug the sh.t out of me

CelticPredator
10-13-2008, 10:20 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/depot/DKJT.jpg

For those who missed it....

Grange Wallis
10-13-2008, 10:57 PM
That's funny!

They ruined her character in the sequel. I didn't like the way she treat bruce... It was like Lois & Clark & Superman in Superman Returns... The was no relationship chemistry at all. She was always so rude to Bruce/Batman.

Also, I think Katie Holmes being recast was a shocking decision... I can see why some people don't like her. But I reckon she's attractive and I liked her in Begins way more!

Grange Wallis
10-13-2008, 10:58 PM
Ps: She was the only thing I disliked about the movie!

automaton
10-13-2008, 11:00 PM
Ps: She was the only thing I disliked about the movie!

i couldn't agree less.