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Darklord Dave
10-01-2008, 10:00 AM
From Variety:


CW's 'Graysons' takes flier on Robin
Net builds series around Batman's sidekick
By MICHAEL SCHNEIDER

Holy prequel, Boy Wonder, the CW is prepping a series based on Batman sidekick Robin’s pre-Caped Crusader days.
"Smallville" exec producers Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson, as well as "Supernatural" exec producer McG, are behind "The Graysons," which has landed a put pilot commitment at the netlet.

Just as "Smallville" focused on Clark Kent in the years before he became Superman, "The Graysons" will follow the world of ^^^^ "DJ" Grayson before he takes on the iconic Robin identity and aligns himself with Batman.

Project reps the latest DC Comics franchise to be mined for the smallscreen by sibling Warner Bros. TV. McG’s Wonderland Sound and Vision label is also attached.

Souders, Peterson, McG and Wonderland’s Peter Johnson will exec produce.

"The Graysons" is seen as a potential replacement for "Smallville" should that show end its run this season, which has been speculated. Should "Smallville" return next year, "The Graysons" might also make a strong companion piece.

CW insiders said they also see the "Graysons" development as a validating gesture by Warner Bros. that the company is still behind its 50% investment in the netlet, particularly following this fall’s strong openings for "Gossip Girl" and newbie "90210." They believe the studio wouldn’t risk bringing one of its prized franchises to CW if it believed the net was in dire straits.

In the one-hour "Graysons," which will be set in modern times, young DJ will face challenges involving first loves, young rivals and his family as he grows up. Souders and Peterson have come up with an original take on the character.

In the original Batman mythology, Grayson was a young acrobat and part of the family act called "The Flying Graysons." He was orphaned when a gangster sabotaged his parents’ trapeze equipment. Bruce Wayne took him under his wing and trained him to help fight crime.

Grayson later morphed into the character of Nightwing, as part of "The New Teen Titans," and a series of new Robin replacements were introduced.

Souders and Peterson serve as showrunners (along with Todd Slavkin and Darren Swimmer) on "Smallville," which has just entered its eighth season. They’ve been with the hit drama since season two, and helped successfully transition the show following the departure of longtime toppers Miles Millar and Al Gough.

In features, Peterson wrote "But I’m a Cheerleader," while Souders was behind "Tell Me."

McG’s credits also include NBC’s "Chuck" and the upcoming feature "Terminator Salvation." "The Graysons" reps McG’s second DC Comics sale this year: Wonderland is also behind the Fox project "Human Target," which Jon Steinberg is writing.

CW predecessor the WB tackled the Batman mythology with 2002’s short-lived "Birds of Prey," which followed a group of female superheroes who flew in to protect Gotham after Batman disappeared.

Burt Ward, of course, played ^^^^ Grayson/Robin in the campy 1965-68 TV series "Batman." And several animated versions of the Batman story have appeared on the smallscreen through the years, most recently KidsWB’s "The Batman."

Bob Kane created the DC Comics characters.

I would so much rather see the Bruce Wayne show they developed years ago.

The Mike
10-01-2008, 11:27 AM
Huh. I don't see this working all that well since D!ck was supposed to be 8 went the accident happened. This probably means they'll make him a teen which isn't too farfetched but I see a real serious combination of various Robins mixed into one like they did for The Flash on Smallville. I'll give it a shot but honestly I couldn't think of a less interesting character than Robin before he was aligned with Batman. According to the Comic history he learned everything from Batman except his agility which he gained from the Circus.

I'd much rather see one based on a character never done like Hal Jordan before getting the ring or at minimum a modernization of the Teen Titans....I don't have much faith in this project.

TheObsoleteMan
10-01-2008, 02:10 PM
Who the hell wants to see Robin before he was Robin? What's next, the early days of Aqualad?

Kabukiman
10-01-2008, 03:13 PM
DJ! :rotfl

plasmid303
10-01-2008, 03:35 PM
I don't mind. If it's good, great! If it's bad, then no one's really affected because Robin isn't exactly in everyone's good graces.

A teenage D.Grayson would certainly be a better watch than an 8 year old kid. Chris O'Donnel's Grayson was, what, in his mid 20's when he became Robin?

The Mike
10-01-2008, 03:58 PM
Chris O' Donnell was a blasphemy on the character and should be forgotten for all of time.

Darklord Dave
10-01-2008, 04:55 PM
Bruce Wayne and Clark make sense - Bruce is training himself, studying, traveling from the time he's 9 to adulthood (unless you go with Nolan continuity). Clark is finding his powers. DJ is a circus acrobat (I'm betting they change that - if they use my idea from the other thread - I'm suing:google) but there's nothing in his life to spur change until his parents die.

Hopefully it will as good as Smallville - but they really didn't know what to do with Birds of Prey and I see the same thing happening here.

The Mike
10-01-2008, 05:28 PM
Until his parents die ^^^^ describes his life as perfect. He loved his life in the Circus which made his parent's death so much more tragic because it was the removal of innocence. When his parents die, Bruce takes him in very soon after. They will seriously change the continuity and origins to make this work.

plasmid303
10-01-2008, 05:50 PM
Tim Drake would have been an infinitely better choice.

Dr.Mirakle32
10-01-2008, 05:56 PM
I wonder if they are focusing on Robin to possibly tie into future sequels to the Nolan series.

shaun-o
10-01-2008, 06:03 PM
Lame Burgers smothered in Weak Sauce!!!!

Giant Chicken
10-01-2008, 08:28 PM
I hope they can pull it off but I have my doubts. I would rather see the Aquaman series (Mercy Reef..?) be developed. The pilot that came out a few years beac was pretty good.

Buttmunch
10-01-2008, 08:38 PM
This sounds like a terrible idea. I hope it tanks.

Ven
10-01-2008, 09:01 PM
I wonder if they are focusing on Robin to possibly tie into future sequels to the Nolan series.

Kevin spacey luther WRONGGGGG!!!

Dr.Mirakle32
10-01-2008, 09:26 PM
Kevin spacey luther WRONGGGGG!!!

How so? Who cares what Nolan has said? Warners will continue the franchise without him, and we are bound to see Robin pop up in a new film sooner or later, with or without Nolan and Bale. Any films after Nolan's third are probably going to keep the same continuity, just with a different style (see the Burton/Shumacher series.)

plasmid303
10-01-2008, 09:53 PM
How so? Who cares what Nolan has said? Warners will continue the franchise without him, and we are bound to see Robin pop up in a new film sooner or later, with or without Nolan and Bale. Any films after Nolan's third are probably going to keep the same continuity, just with a different style (see the Burton/Shumacher series.)


Have you forgotten how that ended? Everything was just fine with Burton's run, then WB decided to move on and Shumacher came into the picture....with Robin.

Darklord Dave
10-01-2008, 10:52 PM
Actually WB was disappointed with the BO on Batman Returns. That's why they allowed Schumacher to make it more campy.

I can't see them picking up this pilot - I agree that Mercy Reef was pretty good - I would have liked to have seen that as a series.

ProgMatinee
10-02-2008, 11:41 AM
Nobody here probably knows what I'm talking about, but in the 90s there was a small company called Malibu comics that had a character called Prime. I think its owned by Marvel now, so that probably wouldn't work with CW, but I think its perfect for film/tv. Based on a teen character than turns on and off into a superhero. Sorta like a teen Hulk, but not ugly and green. Hilarious puberty issues and stuff abound. Anyone remember this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_(comics)

http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/1146726000/_i/11945096/1.jpg

Ironman1188
10-03-2008, 10:05 AM
I'd rather see a series about a young Rex Mason and his adventures prior to his transformation into Metamorpho.

Krypto
10-03-2008, 10:13 AM
I think this could be good. Robin always gets a bad rap, but he's a good character when handled properly.

Obviously, the CW is trying to find a replacement superhero show once Smallville ends this season.

BTW - I always thought O'Donnell was fine in Forever. One of the positives that came out of that movie. I didn't mind that they made Grayson a young adult as opposed to a child. And the scene in the circus was very good. Kilmer was a very good Bruce/Batman too. You really got the sense of how seeing his parents murdered right in front of him continues to haunt him. At times, he looks almost like a young child being tormented by his nightmares. Good stuff. Plus, I could actually buy Kilmer being in the suit. He had the right physique and look. Unfortunately, the villains and the camp and the neon are so blinding that it's hard to really gauge the rest of the film properly.

Dr.Mirakle32
10-03-2008, 10:34 PM
I find FOREVER very underrated. It has a good script and a solid cast, but Shumacher's artistic choices pretty much ruined the film for most people.

Krypto
10-04-2008, 06:57 AM
Also, as blaring as it is, I rather like Goldenthal's scores for his two films.

CelticPredator
10-04-2008, 02:25 PM
Not to mention every villian in his films were just The Joker x 10. Stupid stupid stupid.

UTtoyfan
11-07-2008, 09:21 AM
I guess we can end this thread now. CW and WB cancelled their plans for this show.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117995430.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

The Boy Wonder won't be flying into primetime after all.

The CW and Warner Bros. TV have been forced to scrap their plans for "The Graysons." Show, which had been given a put pilot commitment, was set to revolve around Batman sidekick Robin in his pre-Caped Crusader days.

Decision to yank the project came from Warner Bros. Pictures Group prexy Jeff Robinov, who initially gave his blessing but changed his mind in recent days.

"Warner Bros. TV never had 100% clearance," said one exec familiar with the project.

The CW had been counting on "The Graysons" to fill the void left by the likely series end of "Smallville." Like "Smallville," "The Graysons" is a superhero origins story. Show was developed to revolve around the world of ^^^^ "DJ" Grayson before taking on the iconic Robin identity.

Project was to be the latest DC Comics franchise to be mined for the smallscreen by Warner Bros. TV. "Smallville" exec producers Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson were set to write and exec produce, while Wonderland Sound and Vision's McG and Peter Johnson were also aboard to exec produce.

According to studio insiders, Robinov has decreed that Warner Bros. "rethink its DC Comics strategy" and as a result didn't want to do anything big with a DC franchise at the moment -- at least when it came to "Graysons."

"The studio has opted not to go forward with the development of 'The Graysons' at this time as the concept doesn't fit the current strategy for the Batman franchise," the studio said in a statement. "Warner Bros. Television is currently working on several replacement options for the CW."

It's understood that "The Dark Knight" helmer Christopher Nolan never signed off on the TV show; one insider said the helmer was uncomfortable with having a TV show related to the Batman franchise on the air. But according to the studio, the decision to scrap the show rested solely on Robinov and not Nolan.

Others wondered whether Warner Bros. got nervous over the idea of having a both an active Batman TV series and film series at the same time. "Smallville" and, before that, "Lois & Clark," were launched during a lengthy hiatus from the bigscreen for Superman. Some believe 2006's "Superman Returns" was hurt at the box office because of the simultaneous TV show.

A script had not yet been written for "The Graysons," which was still in early stages of development. Word of "The Graysons" first emerged last month (Daily Variety, Oct. 1) -- prematurely, in hindsight.

The one-hour "Graysons" was to be set in modern times and focus on young DJ as he faced challenges involving first loves, young rivals and his family -- a famous juggling act -- as he grew up. (In Batman lore, Grayson was part of a family act called "The Flying Graysons" and orphaned after a gangster had his parents killed.)

Insiders said Warner Bros. TV is now scanning its library for other potential franchises to develop for the CW. The netlet is already kicking the tires on other franchises for next year, including a revival of CBS Paramount's "Melrose Place."

Coincidentally, a new animated Batman series, "Batman: The Brave and the Bold," bows on Cartoon Network next Friday.

galactiboy
11-07-2008, 10:33 AM
This sounds like one of the weakest ideas ever concieved of on TV :lol

TheObsoleteMan
11-07-2008, 10:35 AM
Good. Now take that money and give us a Green Arrow series.

Darklord Dave
11-07-2008, 10:42 AM
I think this is probably for the best. They have a lot of possibilities for a spin-off from Smallville - Green Arrow, Supergirl, etc.

UTtoyfan
11-07-2008, 10:44 AM
Good. Now take that money and give us a Green Arrow series.

Green Arrow!:banana

The Mike
11-07-2008, 12:46 PM
It's understood that "The Dark Knight" helmer Christopher Nolan never signed off on the TV show; one insider said the helmer was uncomfortable with having a TV show related to the Batman franchise on the air. But according to the studio, the decision to scrap the show rested solely on Robinov and not Nolan.

I guarantee this had more to do with it than they are giving it credit for. Nolan hates the idea of Robin and other rumors stated that ideas kicked around would be that "DJ" would be traveling from city to city including a stop in Gotham that was going to be tailored after the Nolan Gotham from the films.

Nolan is very protective of his franchise and it'll be interesting to see when he leaves it after making the third one as he has been saying for a while now if he'll go all "Alan Moore" on any Bat continuations.


Insiders said Warner Bros. TV is now scanning its library for other potential franchises to develop for the CW. The netlet is already kicking the tires on other franchises for next year, including a revival of CBS Paramount's "Melrose Place."

Jesus. I'll give 90210 this, the reboot I enjoy and it follows the exact same vein as the original with no real deviations except updates on what and how things are done. Melrose Place to replace Smallville?!?!? Can we get TV that doesn't make me feel like I'm 14 watching TV again?

Morbach
11-08-2008, 08:36 AM
I'm glad this won't be happening. I'm not a fan of Robins at all.

**16k**
11-08-2008, 10:10 AM
I'm glad! The idea was stinking big time!

TOE
11-08-2008, 11:10 AM
They need to make Teen Titans

Ancient Astronaut
11-08-2008, 05:24 PM
Robin sucks. Thank God this didn't get the green light.

Darklord Dave
11-09-2008, 06:53 PM
They need to make Teen Titans

You know, that's not a bad idea at all. Although a super hero team show would need a bigger budget than a tV show would allow, but I could see Cyborg and Impulse breaking off from the league and teaming up with a young protege of Ollie's (I'd go with Arrowette rather than Speedy) and forming the Titans.

Darth Caedus
11-09-2008, 07:02 PM
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The Mike
11-10-2008, 07:42 PM
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That was one of the dumbest fan made trailers I've ever seen. Why would Grayson take up the same Robin Mantle in Batman's death only with a Tim Drake scheme? Why is Superman so old yet Selena Kyle so young? Why are all the villains still young? So many continuity errors.

Anyway.....a Teen Titans might work, they could easily introduce them with Batman being in his late 30s/early 40s only showing in the original pilot and have the show take off from there.

Hulksmashed
11-11-2008, 08:25 AM
Robin sucks. Thank God this didn't get the green light.

Hmm...Green Light huh? thats not bad...not bad at all! A green Lantern show! :D

Darth Caedus
11-11-2008, 11:46 AM
That was one of the dumbest fan made trailers I've ever seen. Why would Grayson take up the same Robin Mantle in Batman's death only with a Tim Drake scheme? Why is Superman so old yet Selena Kyle so young? Why are all the villains still young? So many continuity errors.

Anyway.....a Teen Titans might work, they could easily introduce them with Batman being in his late 30s/early 40s only showing in the original pilot and have the show take off from there.

Yea, there are MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better ones that that.