Dexter Discussion Thread *Spoilers*

[Batty]

I thought they only reran the first season on CBS. Did they show the 2nd and 3rd too?

[Darklord Dave]

I'm not a huge fan of Deb as a character, but she's necessary to keep Dexter grounded, especially in the first season. Although it might be interesting to see Deb's murder drive Dexter go bat ^^^^ crazy.

[-jay-]

I'm not a huge fan of Deb as a character, but she's necessary to keep Dexter grounded, especially in the first season. Although it might be interesting to see Deb's murder drive Dexter go bat ^^^^ crazy.

That would be great so i vote for killing the skinny alien face. :lol

[El Skutto]

That would be great so i vote for killing the skinny alien face. :lol

Seconded. :pow

[die]

I always kick around ideas about how each Dexter season will turn out & I'm always wrong. That's one reason why I like the show, they always throw alot of curveballs.

I did think about the idea of the Trinity Killer eventually going after Dexter's three children somehow. Since Lundy's health seems to be mentioned quite a bit, possibly he has a heart attack and dies knowing about Dexter? Anton does nothing for the show, maybe they'll kill him off too.

it's fun to guess, but who knows what will actually happen.

[DinoDB1975]

Yeah, the best thing about this show is that it's hard to guess what will happen.

However, it has been established that the Trinity Killer is so named because of his modus operandi. He kills in threes, and the three deaths follow a pattern. His first victim is killed in her bath by severing the femoral artery. Though we haven't seen this in an episode yet, it can be extrapolated from the previews at the end of each episode that his second victim (also female) is killed by a fall from a large height. Not sure what the third killing is/will be. He kills in threes following the same MO, disappears, then reappears again to kill in three.

His MO could later be interrupted and it's conceivable that he could go after Dex's children, but I doubt it. Serial killers are so considerate that way, always following a patttern.

[DinoLast]

From what I have read Dexter starts to find the Trinity Killer fascinating in the fact that he has managed to live the life of a serial killer for 30 years. With Dexter looking increasingly incapable of juggling his work, family and serial killing, he's wondering if he could learn a thing or two from this guy.

[DinoDB1975]

From what I have read Dexter starts to find the Trinity Killer fascinating in the fact that he has managed to live the life of a serial killer for 30 years. With Dexter looking increasingly incapable of juggling his work, family and serial killing, he's wondering if he could learn a thing or two from this guy.

Pretty interesting. Hadn't considered that.

[Darth Caedus]

From what I have read Dexter starts to find the Trinity Killer fascinating in the fact that he has managed to live the life of a serial killer for 30 years. With Dexter looking increasingly incapable of juggling his work, family and serial killing, he's wondering if he could learn a thing or two from this guy.

That's what I get from that too. Dexter can barely do it going on 6 months, yet the Trinity Killer has been doing it for more than 30 years. It's odd though, it almost seems that The Trinity Killer AND Harry are almost de facto telling Dexter that he shouldn't have a family. Harry's telling Dexter that they are distractions and he should almost get rid of him and he also tells Dexter that the only way the Trinity Killer has gotten away with it for 30 years is because he DOESN'T have a family.....should be an interesting rest of the season.

[die]

So, is it that the killer always kills in threes or is it that all his kills can be related to the number 3 ?

He kills his first victim 3 decades ago & he goes back and kills another in the same house/same manner.

Also, it seems that after 3 decades of killing, he wants to be caught (he's crying in the shower, punishing himself with hot water?). Ending his crime spree relating to the number three?

[The ill Jedi]

I'm digging this season so far, not sure if I can say I like it more than previous seasons yet, but it's good. Is anybody else finding Rita as ^^^^ing annoying as I am? :lol Oh and Lithgow is sooooooo good! :rock

[-jay-]

No i love Rita she rocks :rock :naughty :monkey5

I'm loving this season but like you can't say it's better than the others yet either way i can't wait until next week.

[Darth Caedus]

I'm digging this season so far, not sure if I can say I like it more than previous seasons yet, but it's good. Is anybody else finding Rita as ^^^^ing annoying as I am? :lol Oh and Lithgow is sooooooo good! :rock

I've wanted to punch her in the face repeatedly until she stops moving many times already this year. Is that what it's like when you get married??? I think I'll pass on it.

At least we are getting more and more into the Trinity killer. I wonder why they even the "vacation" killer side-plot into the story. I think Trinity could take up the whole season :huh

[Batty]

Lithgow really is great. I kept waiting for the mark Trinity made to come into play. I guess we have to wait.

I think they're really pushing to show how much Daxter's family life is affecting him, but it's a bit over the top. Rita seems like a different person altogether now. And if I had neighbors like that, I'd move.

I love Masuka's truck! :lol

[DinoDB1975]

Very insightful episode this week, in regards to the Trinity Killer. I’m thinking the Trinity Killer is re-creating the deaths of his family…though I’m not sure if he was involved in their deaths or is killing others in the same manner that they died to somehow deal with the pain/trauma.

Here’s what we know regarding Trinity’s pattern.

First victim: female killed in her bath tub by severing the femoral artery.

Second victim: married female, mother of two, killed by falling from a large distance. No signs of struggle.

Third victim: male, bludgeoned to death (this kill has not be seen in an episode yet, but according to Lundy, this is the next kill in the pattern)

The first victim in the trinity kill could represent the Trinity Killer’s sister; I have nothing to back this up, just a hunch. I think the second victim represents his mother; after he killed the second victim (I cannot remember the character’s name) he went down to the body and said “Mommy” in a pained voice. And unless I am mistaken, the mark that the Trinity left on the ground was from the ashes of his mother’s cremated remains. The third victim could represent the Trinity Killer’s father. Towards the end of Sunday’s episode, the Trinity Killer poured two drinks. On the table he was sitting on were pictures of what I assume were his family. I cannot remember his exact words (I’ll have to re-watch this episode when I get home from work), but the Trinity Killer then took a drink and said something along the lines of “I’ll see you soon”.

Of course, this is all speculation. Can’t wait to see how this season turns out.

[Darth Caedus]

I love Masuka's truck! :lol


That was the best part of the episode. Who would have thought Masuka would have a truck like that :rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rock

[die]

Didn't Lundy say the next victim would be male?

This Trinity Killer angle is starting to get good, I think Lundy knows more than he's willing to share just yet.

I can deal with Rita, but Astor has got to go!!!

[DinoLast]

I can't believe that Rita accused Dexter of not doing enough as a father.
And Yeah, the third victim will be a man who will be bludgeoned to death. So there goes all the theories that he is going to kill a women in Dexter's life.

[DinoLast]

The third victim could represent the Trinity Killer’s father. Towards the end of Sunday’s episode, the Trinity Killer poured two drinks. On the table he was sitting on were pictures of what I assume were his family. I cannot remember his exact words (I’ll have to re-watch this episode when I get home from work), but the Trinity Killer then took a drink and said something along the lines of “I’ll see you soon”.

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I'm thinking the same thing. The Trinity Killer is suffering from a childhood trauma that has turned him into a Serial Killer, just like Dexter.
He says "Drink up, you're next" after he pours the drink

[Darklord Dave]

It's implied that the next victim will be a father surrogate. I also loved Matsuka's truck and that he's a country music fan. And I liked that they wrapped up the vandal in a single episode - he's a nice contrast to Dexter who wants to lash out at suburbia, but can't because he's got something much darker to hide. And I'm curious to see what he's going to tell Rita about his tantrum. I love what Julie Benz is doing with Rita - there's nothing at all wrong with her, but we're seeing her through Dexter's eyes and she becomes annoying as hell. I LOVE her obsession with 80s music though. "Cruel Summer" indeed.

[Seditionary]

My favorite thing about this episode is about how much his lack of personal space is even effecting the narration of the show. He uses way more curse words and called the vandal a douche bag or something, I laughed more than usual.

I'm also curious to see how Rita will react to him breaking those lights.

[hairlesswookiee]

I'm also curious to see how Rita will react to him breaking those lights.

Me too. I chuckled a bit when she saw him busting the lights.

[die]

Maybe he'll chalk his tantrum up to his concussion. He could tell Rita the lights were making his head hurt?

[El Skutto]

Hopefully, he'll grow a pair and tell Rita to back the hell off. He was certainly more diplomatic than I would have been after she gave him that "you haven't really been there as a father or a husband lately" speech. He's got a full-time job, he's responsible for taking care of the baby at night, he's involved in the neighbourhood watch...cut him some slack, willya?

She hasn't reached Deb-levels of annoyance yet, but she's getting dangerously close...

[CelticPredator]

I love Deb....she's awesome. And hot.

Anyway....jesus christ that episode ending was...wow.

I'm in the minority, but I enjoyed the Lundy/Deb relationship....and wow. My jaw was hanging. :(

[-jay-]

Just about to watch this weeks episode. :rock

[-jay-]

Anyway....jesus christ that episode ending was...wow.


Woah that ending was great the week wait is going to seem like a month i can't wait to see what happens? :horror

[DinoDB1975]

Once again, this episode is proof why Dexter is one of the best shows out there, on network or cable. I did not see this coming at all. I kind of thought that Lundy would get killed, but not until later on in the season…but maybe he survived the shooting. The previews at the end of this week’s episode indicate that Deb survived the initial shooting but is fighting for her life, but made no mention of Lundy. Deb was shot once, but if I remember correctly, Lundy was shot several times.

So who’s the shooter? Obvious suspect is the Trinity Killer; he found out that Lundy was tracking him. But it doesn’t add up, as a shooting doesn’t follow Trinity’s established pattern. Plus, how did he locate where Lundy was staying?

Second potential suspect(s) are the vacation robbers/killers. They target tourists at hotels, and Lundy was robbed at the end.

The third dark horse suspect (and who I believe did the shooting) is Anton. He followed Deb, got jealous, and killed Lundy. It’s interesting that Deb was only shot once while multiple shots were fired at Lundy. It sort of seems out of character for Anton (I don’t believe there was any indication in the third season of Anton having violent tendencies) but it can be argued that it was a crime of passion and Anton reacted. He then decided to try to blame it on the vacation killers by taking Lundy’s watch and other possessions. If Anton is the shooter, then this is sure to mess Deb up more. She gets involved with the Ice Truck Killer in the first season, and in this season her boyfriend shoots her ex-boyfriend.

Of course, this is all speculation at this point, but we’ll see how it turns out.

[Darth Caedus]

I do think that it will be the Vacation killer/s. Don't think it was Trinity, he's MUCH too precise and prime to just shoot somebody on the street (unless his Daddy, if he was whom he was having a drink with) is part of a couples thing. But like you said, Lundy was robbed, so maybe that's an indicator or perhaps a red herring. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. But I didn't want Lundy to die so early, I liked him

[hairlesswookiee]

Hmm... Just saw the episode and CRAP!!!! Totally awesome. Glad Dexter finally got back to his real work, and wow is Cristina Cox hot. I think the shooter at the end might be the Trinity killer trying to cover it up as the Vacation Robbers.

[Batty]

Second potential suspect(s) are the vacation robbers/killers. They target tourists at hotels, and Lundy was robbed at the end.
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I thought it was the Vacation Killer first. Trinity probably has his own code just like Dexter. Killing Lundy, while beneficial, wouldn't fit his code or pattern.

[Chimera 1]

I am thinking Anton, He followed Deb and shot her with her own gun. Neither one of them were armed at the time. It sure did take Lundy a few extra seconds to get shot. Deb went down first them Lundy got shot several seconds after Deb but got hit 2 or 3 times. Then they took Lundys watch and wallet but left Deb's purse alone. No way it was the vacation killers. My bet is on Anton, he was a CI for some reason. We didn't really get his back story. Plus last season his temper came out when he attacked Quinn.

[CelticPredator]

I say its Trinity.

[SwedishHeat]

Wow, I mean, they totally telegraphed that Trinity was going to take out Lundy. And especially at the end with Deb and Lundy being happy, you knew something bad was going to happen.

I vote for the Vacation Killer.

It almost seems like Trinity doesn't want to kill people, he just has to. It's like he's possessed to kill people. Lundy's death fits better if it was random like a Vacation Murder.

[DinoLast]

I'm not 100% sure who shot Lundy and Debs but,
Why did Trinity purposely bump into Lundy and drop those keys?
It's a shame Lundy has gone though, because he was the only one who was Dexter's equal

[hairlesswookiee]

I'm not 100% sure who shot Lundy and Debs but,
Why did Trinity purposely bump into Lundy and drop those keys?
It's a shame Lundy has gone though, because he was the only one who was Dexter's equal

I just figured it was his way of finding out if Lundy knew who/what he was looking for or not. By bumping Lundy and walking away without getting nabbed meant that Lundy was just scoping the place out not sure who he was looking for.

[Seditionary]

Yeah I don't think it could be anton. I doubt he would discretely murder both of them and then steal the dudes wallet if it was a crime of passion.

[Batty]

I don't think it's Anton either. He seemed jealous but not that jealous. And I don't think he'd be dumb enough to shoot two cops.

I was sorry to see Christina Cox killed off so soon. :( But the fight between her and Dex was great!

[-jay-]

Wow, I mean, they totally telegraphed that Trinity was going to take out Lundy. And especially at the end with Deb and Lundy being happy, you knew something bad was going to happen.

I vote for the Vacation Killer.

It almost seems like Trinity doesn't want to kill people, he just has to. It's like he's possessed to kill people. Lundy's death fits better if it was random like a Vacation Murder.

First thing i thought they get my vote too. :)

[El Skutto]

I dunno, I'm leaning towards it either being the Vacation Killer, or Anton.

And while I have difficulty believing the character of Anton would ever become so jealous to attempt murder, the fact that the shooter didn't take anything from Deb - purse, jewelry or otherwise - leads me to believe it could be Anton.

I hope not, though.

[-jay-]

I dunno, I'm leaning towards it either being the Vacation Killer, or Anton.

And while I have difficulty believing the character of Anton would ever become so jealous to attempt murder, the fact that the shooter didn't take anything from Deb - purse, jewelry or otherwise - leads me to believe it could be Anton.

I hope not, though.

Hmm you have a point there El Skutto.

[DinoDB1975]

Though it's the most unlikely and most surprising choice, I'm sticking with my initial post and saying it's Anton. I watched the ending of the re-air last night: as Lundy and Deb are saying goodbye, Lundy looks past Deb with a expression like he sees someone he recognizes; Deb then gets shot once, and then we hear two other gunshots and Lundy falls to the ground. We see a figure dressed in black with gloves taking Lundy's wallet and watch, but nothing from Deb. Anton could have been masked, but it is interesting to note that during this whole sequence, Deb has tunnel vision and is staring at and focusing only on Lundy, whispering "Stay with me" after he had been shot. It doesn't seem like she was even trying to get a look at the attacker.

[CelticPredator]

Actually...I think it is Anton.

He is the vacation killer....remember? He went on all those cruises, and trips? Buh Buh Bum.

[El Skutto]

It doesn't seem like she was even trying to get a look at the attacker.

Yet another reason I can't stand the Deb character. :duh

[-jay-]

Yet another reason I can't stand the Deb character. :duh

Yeah shame she didn't take 1 to the head. :gun

[SwedishHeat]

, Lundy looks past Deb with a expression like he sees someone he recognizes; Deb then gets shot once, and then we hear two other gunshots and Lundy falls to the ground.

I see that as him realizing someone's pointing a gun at him. That scene is in slow-mo, and he's talking and a half-second later sees someone pointing a gun that's over Deb's shoulder. It's a look of recognition, sure, but it doesn't mean he sees someone he recognizes, just that he realizes what's happening.

[DinoDB1975]

I see that as him realizing someone's pointing a gun at him. That scene is in slow-mo, and he's talking and a half-second later sees someone pointing a gun that's over Deb's shoulder. It's a look of recognition, sure, but it doesn't mean he sees someone he recognizes, just that he realizes what's happening.

Possibly. But I think a trained FBI agent liked Lundy would have a slightly different expression on his face. His eyes should be widening in reaction. Again, this is all speculation on our parts, I guess we'll see.

All I know for certain is that I like this season better than the third season. Miguel Prado was an interesting character, but so far, this season has been better than the last.

[DinoLast]

Has anybody watched Episode 5's clips on Showtime's website.
Trinity is watching the news report about Lundy, but I still can't work out from his reaction if he did it

[Darklord Dave]

This show is too smart for it to be Anton, especially making it look like a robbery. But shooting them would be completely against his character - we saw last season how freaked out he is by violence.

I think the show is too smart for it to be random by the vacation killer too. Either the vacation killer knows Deb is on the case or it's Trinity taking out Lundy. Although it looked like he wanted to be caught when he ran into Lundy or at least make Lundy suspect something. But he's crazy - he could be wanting to be caught one minute and killing Lundy the next.

[Tyler]

I love this show. But how can Dex afford let alone hide the fact that he is still paying rent, maintenance and utilities at his old apartment from Rita when he is either buying or renting his new home with her?

I know it's only a show, but I think it when ever he goes to his old apartment.

[DinoDB1975]

This show is too smart for it to be Anton, especially making it look like a robbery. But shooting them would be completely against his character - we saw last season how freaked out he is by violence.

I think the show is too smart for it to be random by the vacation killer too. Either the vacation killer knows Deb is on the case or it's Trinity taking out Lundy. Although it looked like he wanted to be caught when he ran into Lundy or at least make Lundy suspect something. But he's crazy - he could be wanting to be caught one minute and killing Lundy the next.

It is precisely because the show is written so intelligently that I think Anton is the shooter. Trinity is the logical choice for the shooter...he found out that Lundy is on his trail, and Lundy even found out where Trinity's old bludgeoning victim was located. It would make sense from a self-preservation point of view for Trinity to be proactive and elimiate a threat. But in every season of Dexter, when have the writers ever gone with the logical, predictable choice?

I think there are holes in the theory that Trinity is the shooter. How would he have found out where Lundy was staying? He knows Lundy's name, so I guess he could have called around hotels asking for Lundy, but what hotels would give up that infromation, especially in the current climate with the vacation Killers. Also, even though Trinity is mentally unstable, I think he would stick with the hand that got him to this point, undetected and uncaught for 30 years: his pattern. I think the familiarity and comfort with his modus operandi supercedes his feelings of self-preservation.

Anton is the most controversial choice. You're right, he never showed an inclination to violence, and it would seem out of character. But still...there's something fishy there.

I guess it could be the Vacation Killers, simply based on the fact that writers may be trying to impress upon us that random acts of violence could happen to anyone, especially the "world" that Dexter is based in. I think that would freak Deb out even more, to know that Lundy was killed (if indeed he is dead) because they were in a "wrong place, wrong time" situation rather than Lundy being specifically targeted.

Man, I love how this show is written so well as to foster so much dialogue and analysis.

I love this show. But how can Dex afford let alone hide the fact that he is still paying rent, maintenance and utilities at his old apartment from Rita when he is either buying or renting his new home with her?

I know it's only a show, but I think it when ever he goes to his old apartment.

I think Dex actually owns said apartment (more like a condo) and I think it was mentioned earlier in the season that he somehow convinced Rita that he would need to keep it...but it is a BIG "huh?" point. :lol How many women would let their husband keep an apartment?

[CelticPredator]

Anton IS the vaction killer I bet.

[El Skutto]

Anton is the most controversial choice. You're right, he never showed an inclination to violence, and it would seem out of character. But still...there's something fishy there.

Plus, having a strip of flesh cut off your back might just change your perspective on violence... :horror

[SwedishHeat]

Anton IS the vaction killer I bet.

No, they know who the Vacation killer is. LaGuerta and Batista went to his ex-girlfriend's apt, and then the guy showed up and he shot at them. I just forget his name.

The other fun part, while on the periphery, is that if Quinn never had that pillow talk with the reporter, Lundy's name would've never been in the paper. I'm sure that bit had to do with the murder, we know Trinity saw the headline, maybe Anton read the article and it mentioned Deb in there too and he lost it, or maybe the Vacation Killer saw that a top FBI agent was on the hunt, and decided to get rid of him.

[DinoLast]

Trinity had to kill Lundy so he could complete his third murder at the hotel.

[Darklord Dave]

Judging from the previews for next week, Rita doesn't know about the apartment (which they set up with the leaky faucet).

My only reason for thinking the shooter can't be Anton is that it's so far out of character. If the writers can make us believe it is something he would do, I'd have no problem with it. But I don't think they've set up his character or their relationship to make it believable at this point.

[Batty]

I hope it isn't Anton for the simple fact that Deb dated the Ice Truck Killer. Isn't dating one murderer enough?

[Tyler]

I hope it isn't Anton for the simple fact that Deb dated the Ice Truck Killer. Isn't dating one murderer enough?

True. It would be a bit much to ask us to believe that Deb's would fall for a serial killer, who just happens to be her step brother's brother, who just happens to be a serial killer as well. Then later falling for another man who is capable of the attempted murder of Deb's and the murder of Lundy.

I think it was simply the vacation killers. One of which we know is the guy who shot at Angel and Laguerta because they got his DNA from the blood Dexter found at a previous vacation killing.

The show will throw in a few red herrings to make it look like Lundy's murder and Deb's attempted murder might be a crime of passion from Anton or a planned act by Trinity to get Lundy off his tail.

I wonder if Deb's will have enough time to get better, help solve the vacation murders/Lundy's murder, find out that Dexter is the son of Harry's C.I. that he was having an affair with. And that the ice truck killer was Dexter's brother.

I don't think that anyone will solve the Trinity killing's apart from Dexter who will kill him in the last episode.

[El Skutto]

I think it was simply the vacation killers. One of which we know is the guy who shot at Angel and Laguerta because they got his DNA from the blood Dexter found at a previous vacation killing.

But then why would the VK leave Deb's purse and jewelry and other valuables behind after taking Lundy's wallet and watch?

If it's not Anton, then I'm still convinced the shooter is trying to pin the crime on the VK. And let's not forget that as Deb's boyfriend, Anton had access to the police files on the VK crimes, which would give him all the information he needs to set the scene.

[DinoLast]

But then why would the VK leave Deb's purse and jewelry and other valuables behind after taking Lundy's wallet and watch?

If it's not Anton, then I'm still convinced the shooter is trying to pin the crime on the VK. And let's not forget that as Deb's boyfriend, Anton had access to the police files on the VK crimes, which would give him all the information he needs to set the scene.

Maybe the killer was looking for the Tape Recorder? He took the wallet and watch to frame the Vacation Killer

[Chimera 1]

Maybe the killer was looking for the Tape Recorder? He took the wallet and watch to frame the Vacation Killer

Trinity only likes to deal with people one on one. Think about the bar, he was going to approach the guy until the girl came out. He is to calculated and would have waited for Lundy to be alone before he killed him. VK is the likely candidate but they didn't take anything from Deb and her purse was right there on top of her. Anton, is also likely since he had access to all the police files on VK and he could have followed Deb to the hotel.
We have 3 possibles but all three have holes in their theories.
We do have one more possible suspect though. A fourth yet to be revealed character.

[CelticPredator]

No, they know who the Vacation killer is. LaGuerta and Batista went to his ex-girlfriend's apt, and then the guy showed up and he shot at them. I just forget his name.


I still think it's Anton. No way those two shooting B and L were the murderers. They're probably crackheads. Either Anton planted it, or they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[die]

I don't think the Trinity Killer killed Lundy. I think the Trinity Killer felt like it was his destiny to get caught by Lundy.

Dexter getting focused on the vacation murders is a good way to set him up to be caught off guard by the Trinity Killer.

and the female cop was HOT. She looked awesome in those blue jeans. What a great showdown!

[Seditionary]

Its gonna be a rough week trying to figure this out. I really don't think it's anton. Deb is going to snap if it turns out to be him, then when shes all mentally healed...shes gonna find out her brother was a serial killer then there will be a spin off about her killing all of her boyfriends/men close to her because she assumes they are killers.

Stupid thought: maybe its the crazy *** reporter chick shot them both out of some crazy spite towards Quinn...or maybe even to have more to write about.

[CelticPredator]

Deb lives in a world of killers. Ironic...but it all works.

[SwedishHeat]

Deb lives in a world of killers. Ironic...but it all works.

She's a cop. It comes with the territory. Batista lives in a world of killers too, but no one expects him to snap. LaGuerta has had some odd relationships, teenage sweethearts with Miguel Prado, who was a creep and Doakes who was certainly a bit pathological.

I think people make too much out of the whole "Deb's brother is a serial killer and she almost married a serial killer". The Ice Truck Killer seduced her, he put himself in a position for her to fall in love with him. If Deb had met the guy in a bar and started a relationship with him, then it'd be different.

Deb is supposed to be a tragic character, not a glutton for punishment.

[El Skutto]

Stupid thought: maybe its the crazy *** reporter chick shot them both out of some crazy spite towards Quinn...or maybe even to have more to write about.

That thought crossed my mind as well...

[Chimera 1]

Greatest dialogue of last week:
Female cop: Are you going to rape me?
Dexter: What is it with you and rape. No one is raping anyone.

As great and humorous as that was i think that is going to come back to haunt Dexter. I don't think that storyline is over. She mentioned rape to many times.

[hairlesswookiee]

Greatest dialogue of last week:
Female cop: Are you going to rape me?
Dexter: What is it with you and rape. No one is raping anyone.

As great and humorous as that was i think that is going to come back to haunt Dexter. I don't think that storyline is over. She mentioned rape to many times.

That and for some reason I find it hard to believe a cop is just gonna disappear like that and nobody really thinks twice to look into it.

[El Skutto]

That and for some reason I find it hard to believe a cop is just gonna disappear like that and nobody really thinks twice to look into it.

Actually, Dexter took care of that. He used her credit cards to book her on a flight out of the country, and replaced the evidence of her crime back in her house. So, if the police do investigate her absence, they'll find out she was responsible for the death of her husband and daughter and will assume she fled the country out of fear of getting caught.

[Seditionary]

You are right though.. I laughed really hard when he said that line. She was pretty twisted. She had the hots for dexter even right before he killed her.

[DinoLast]

Told you it wasn't Anton.

Good episode, but I'm finding Rita annoying.
great ending with the twist that Trinity is just like Dexter.

[die]

Great episode. I had totally forgotten about Rita thinking Dexter was a recovering drug addict (from Season 2). It was epic to see her sitting there right in front of his kill tool box.

[DarthKy]

is it just me or does anyone else hate Rita. i just wish she would die.

[The ill Jedi]

I thought Rita was a little less annoying in last weeks episode, but in yesterdays I just want to slap the ^^^^ out of her! :D I know the writers are making it seem like things are more difficult for Dex, but she is smothering him! :lol

Sucks about Lundy dying, I really liked his character. :(

That last part of the episode was kinda cool too, with Dex finding out that Trinity is a family man and saying that he was like him.

[DinoDB1975]

I was the most vocal proponent of the Anton shooter theory, but it doesn't look like it was Anton.

However, something's still rotten in Denmark to me. Miami-Dade PD believed that Lundy's death was due to the Vacation Killers, but Dex believed it was Trinity...although he has no evidence thus far to back it up. Dexter has always worked within his code, and has never acted until he had forensic evidence to back it up. And I also found Trinity's reaction at the diner while watching the news report of the shooting unclear. He was watching pretty intently, but I don't know if it was surprise or not. I still think that Trinity would not act outside of his code/ritual, but could be wrong. After all, Lundy was wrong about Trinity being a lone wolf type...Trinity could have killed Lundy out of self-preservation.

As for the Vacation Killers, it was never determined in that episode that they were the shooters. Hopefully it comes out next episode that the ballistics match all the other shootings, or they got a confession from the female shooter.

One other thing to stir the pot, and this is the conspiracy theorist in me REALLY making a stretch. Let's go back to the shooting: Lundy looks past Deb, and has a quizically expression on his face. Deb gets shot, falls to the ground. Two gunshots to Lundy, and the point is made to show the assailants take Lundy's wallet and watch. Nothing is shown to be taken from Deb...but it is later reported that Deb's cash and credit cards were taken. Now, I know everything is not shown "on screen" and that could have happened "off screen", but to me, it seemed like it was a point to show things being taken from Lundy. Here's where the stretch comes in...it was reported Quinn was the first on the scene. We know he has no qualms about taking cash from a crime scene...would he be so emboldened as to have taken Deb's stuff? Just a thought for discussion, not a theory...

[Darklord Dave]

Anton isn't even in the mix for the shooter, but they are obviously trying to keep it ambiguous about whether it's Trinity or the Vacation Killers.

As for Dexter not acting until he has proof - he actually witnessed Trinity killing the snackbar guy on the security camera.

As for Rita being annoying - she's been quite reasonable and she reminded us last night why she should be suspicious of Dex - he was a drug addict (as far as she knows) and he did cheat with fire-lady and told Rita about it. He lied about the apartment and he broke the security lights. If she just blithely ignored everything and let him get on with it, everyone would hate her for just being stupid.

I really don't think Quinn would steal from Deb. I think it's just one of those little continuity errors that crop up, even in the best of shows.

I can't wait for next week with Dex playing cat & mouse with Trinity. Some scenes with Lithgow and Hall interacting will be juicy.

[Devil_666]

Anton isn't even in the mix for the shooter, but they are obviously trying to keep it ambiguous about whether it's Trinity or the Vacation Killers.

:confused: Really!? I thought it was obvious Trinity was the shooter after the first 5 minutes of Dexter's internal monologue last night. The Vacation killers murdered their victims. This case, Lundy was shot twice and AFTER Deb which is peculiar because if you have a choice between two people, most would shoot a man first, not a woman. Also Deb lived. If it was the Vacation Killers they wouldn't have left a witness and you would've seen two people (you only see one). If it was Anton he would've made sure Deb died; 1 shot does not = crime of passion. Again, I thought it was pretty obvious it was Trinity because Lundy got too close (found the site of his third cycle kill) and Trinity thought that might jeopardize his ritual.

[DinoDB1975]

As for Dexter not acting until he has proof - he actually witnessed Trinity killing the snackbar guy on the security camera.

I really don't think Quinn would steal from Deb. I think it's just one of those little continuity errors that crop up, even in the best of shows.

I can't wait for next week with Dex playing cat & mouse with Trinity. Some scenes with Lithgow and Hall interacting will be juicy.

True. However, I wasn't clear, I meant that Dexter had no proof that Lundy was the shooter. His thought monologues made it clear that even though Miami Dade thought it was the VKs, he thought it was Trinity.

You're probably right about the continuiuty errors. Just been spoiled by how good the show has been. I can't remember any other continuity issues over any of the other seasons.

[hairlesswookiee]

Yeah I also find that Rita is starting to be a witch, but then again most women get this way when they find out their husband's aren't the big Prince they thought they were marrying.
~~She thinks he's a recovering Addict
~~He's already cheated on her
~~She commented that she is just now finding out how much he's been lying to her and how good he is at it.
As much as I love Dexter he kind of had it coming.

[DinoDB1975]

:confused: Really!? I thought it was obvious Trinity was the shooter after the first 5 minutes of Dexter's internal monologue last night. The Vacation killers murdered their victims. This case, Lundy was shot twice and AFTER Deb which is peculiar because if you have a choice between two people, most would shoot a man first, not a woman. Also Deb lived. If it was the Vacation Killers they wouldn't have left a witness and you would've seen two people (you only see one). If it was Anton he would've made sure Deb died; 1 shot does not = crime of passion. Again, I thought it was pretty obvious it was Trinity because Lundy got too close (found the site of his third cycle kill) and Trinity thought that might jeopardize his ritual.

Trinity makes the most sense, but I still am not convinced he eliminated Lundy, even though it makes sense from a self-preservation point of view. He's followed his pattern to a tee over thirty years...I'm not sure he would deviate from his ritual, which has intrinsic meaning to him alone.

Don't think it was the VKs; either Bautista or La Guerta mentioned that it made no sense for them to leave a potential witness. I think we may find the ballistics don't match.

As for Anton, he holds very little (read miniscule) weight as the shooter...but what if he only meant to kill Lundy and not Deb? He was pretty willing to work things out with her even after she told him she slept with Lundy.

[Devil_666]

Trinity makes the most sense, but I still am not convinced he eliminated Lundy, even though it makes sense from a self-preservation point of view. He's followed his pattern to a tee over thirty years...I'm not sure he would deviate from his ritual, which has intrinsic meaning to him alone.

Ah.. but Dexter, who also has followed his code/pattern to a tee over the years... and who normally doesn't deviate from his ritual, which has intrinsic meaning to him alone HAS deviated before when the circumstances called for it. Remember Doakes and Lila? And especially when Dexter killed "The Skinner"? Like you said, it's just self-preservation. Even if a Serial Killer has a ritual, that doesn't mean they're against killing in general. So it's not like Dexter or Trinity can only kill people if it fits within their normal ritual.

[DinoDB1975]

I see your argument, but Dexter's code does not have the same intrinsic meaning to Dexter that Trinity's ritual has to himself. While we are not privy to the details as of yet, it can be ascertained that Trinity's pattern of kills is related to the death of his family in some way. Yes Dexter is what he is because of what happened in his childhood, but he is not killing all his victims the way his mother was killed with a chainsaw. Plus, as the protagonist of this series, Dexter's a different monster, if you will. While he initially planned to, he decided not to kill Doakes. It was Lila that killed Doakes. And Dexter killed Lila because she killed Doakes, as well as her former boyfriend...she confessed to Dexter that she set a fire knowing that he asleep. Both Lila and the Skinner fit into Dexter's code...they were both murderers.

Does anyone know how many episodes are in this season? They usually have 12-13 episodes right? Are we even halfway through yet?

[Batty]

I thought the scene between Dex and Deb in the parking lot was one of the best parts of the episode. I also liked the scenes between her and Rita. I know some people don't care for Jennifer Carpenter that much, but I think she's a great actress.

As for Rita, I think in the first couple of episodes her smothering behavior was overboard, but in this one it seemed justifiable. Dex has been lying to her over and over. Of course she'd be pissed about the apartment. My wife just wanted to know if she had implants since she was hanging out of her shirt for most of the episode. :lol

[Darth Caedus]

I can see the point that Dexter usually acts and believes someone's guilty when he has evidence. But he's actually angry at the "person" who shot Deb and Lundy. He normally doesn't have these emotions and isn't used to having them. Even inner Harry thinks it no one other than Trinity that shot them. He wants revenge and I think it's going to be a crazy moment when he finds out it wasn't Trinity :lol

As for Rita, I'm just hoping that she killed her first husband so she can end up on his table once and for all.....

@Dino, I think we are probably about half-way through with the season. Seems like all the exposition is done with and things just turned crazy, so it's on towards the end now.

[DinoDB1975]

This is the first season of Dexter that I've watched as it progressed weekly. Caught the first and second season on demand, and when the third season came out I reclused myself from the show so I could basically watch the entire season on demand in as short a period as possible.

Just out of curiosity, how many people prefer watching it weekly as it progresses over a marathon viewing? I'm thinking I much better like watching the show weekly as it leaves you wanting more each week. There's something to be said for waiting until an entire season is available on demand; I guess the immediate gratification is what's appealing, but I'm starting to like the weekly serialized (no pun intended) approach more.

[SwedishHeat]

The thing is, it doesn't make sense for Trinity because it doesn't fit his pattern. It doesn't make sense for Vacation Killers, because Deb's not dead (I too, thought it was odd that they mentioned that Deb's stuff was taken but they didn't show that, that's very important). It doesn't make sense for Anton because he's not a killer.

Then it's Occam's Razor. . . somebody else did it. We haven't met the killer yet. Or maybe it's just not that important. We know Deb loves to beat herself up, and perhaps Rita's right, sometimes bad things just happen.

Perhaps maybe the writers wrote themselves into a corner, they wanted to get Dexter close to Trinity, but didn't want to get Lundy and Dexter to work together because Lundy would look like an idiot working right next to a serial killer while trying to track a serial killer. So they wrote a twist into the story that made it look like different things to the different people involved.

[Colossus]

I can see the point that Dexter usually acts and believes someone's guilty when he has evidence. But he's actually angry at the "person" who shot Deb and Lundy. He normally doesn't have these emotions and isn't used to having them. Even inner Harry thinks it no one other than Trinity that shot them. He wants revenge and I think it's going to be a crazy moment when he finds out it wasn't Trinity :lol

As for Rita, I'm just hoping that she killed her first husband so she can end up on his table once and for all.....

@Dino, I think we are probably about half-way through with the season. Seems like all the exposition is done with and things just turned crazy, so it's on towards the end now.


I think that the show is giving false direction by what facts that you may or maynot have, What person would gain from Lundy's Death other than the obvious, Trinity looked disapointed when he found out, Deb's boytoy Anton looked Hurt and Pissed when she broke it off, so who else maybe her Partner who arrived on the scene first ? Deb has been bustin his ***** about his last partner? or maybe he wants her? just thought I would throw that out there.

Rita is becoming a Pain in the @$$ maybe Dexter will end up making Trinty mad and he will find out about him and take her out either by bleeding her or a Goraut, just wishing.

This is the first season of Dexter that I've watched as it progressed weekly. Caught the first and second season on demand, and when the third season came out I reclused myself from the show so I could basically watch the entire season on demand in as short a period as possible.

Just out of curiosity, how many people prefer watching it weekly as it progresses over a marathon viewing? I'm thinking I much better like watching the show weekly as it leaves you wanting more each week. There's something to be said for waiting until an entire season is available on demand; I guess the immediate gratification is what's appealing, but I'm starting to like the weekly serialized (no pun intended) approach more.

Marathoned it for the first 3 Seasons, found myself talking to myself like Dexter :D now a Kill a week or every 2 weeks keeps me from jonesing to much

[Devil_666]

While he initially planned to, he decided not to kill Doakes. It was Lila that killed Doakes. And Dexter killed Lila because she killed Doakes, as well as her former boyfriend...she confessed to Dexter that she set a fire knowing that he asleep. Both Lila and the Skinner fit into Dexter's code...they were both murderers.

Wait.. I think you missed my point. I thought you were saying you doubted Trinity in the Lundy death/Deb shooting because it didn't fit his normal M.O. ritual (Woman in a tub/Woman jumping from a building/Man bludgeoned to death). And the examples I gave didn't fit Dexter's normal M.O. ritual (tying up victims completely in plastic/showing them pics of people they've hurt/killed, taking a drop of their blood, etc.). You never see what happens to Lila.. but Dexter mentions changing up his ways!? Method of body dumping perhaps!? Doakes: Dexter was planning on framing him. And The Skinner, Dexter simply broke his neck and then made it look like an accident (Like he fell and the cop car killed him). So in that sense.. the same way Dexter killed The Skinner without his ritual it's possible Trinity killed Lundy without his ritual as well.

Hopefully that's clearer.

[Colossus]

Wait.. I think you missed my point. I thought you were saying you doubted Trinity in the Lundy death/Deb shooting because it didn't fit his normal M.O. ritual (Woman in a tub/Woman jumping from a building/Man bludgeoned to death). And the examples I gave didn't fit Dexter's normal M.O. ritual (tying up victims completely in plastic/showing them pics of people they've hurt/killed, taking a drop of their blood, etc.). You never see what happens to Lila.. but Dexter mentions changing up his ways!? Method of body dumping perhaps!? Doakes: Dexter was planning on framing him. And The Skinner, Dexter simply broke his neck and then made it look like an accident (Like he fell and the cop car killed him). So in that sense.. the same way Dexter killed The Skinner without his ritual it's possible Trinity killed Lundy without his ritual as well.

Hopefully that's clearer.


I see the Therory in the evolution of Things

[Darklord Dave]

The thing is, it doesn't make sense for Trinity because it doesn't fit his pattern. It doesn't make sense for Vacation Killers, because Deb's not dead (I too, thought it was odd that they mentioned that Deb's stuff was taken but they didn't show that, that's very important). It doesn't make sense for Anton because he's not a killer.

Then it's Occam's Razor. . . somebody else did it. We haven't met the killer yet. Or maybe it's just not that important. We know Deb loves to beat herself up, and perhaps Rita's right, sometimes bad things just happen.

Perhaps maybe the writers wrote themselves into a corner, they wanted to get Dexter close to Trinity, but didn't want to get Lundy and Dexter to work together because Lundy would look like an idiot working right next to a serial killer while trying to track a serial killer. So they wrote a twist into the story that made it look like different things to the different people involved.

The show doesn't really work that way - we have to have met the killer or at least know about them. Remember Lundy looks off, puzzled before he's shot, as if he saw something unusual, not like he saw someone pointing a gun at Deb. And I think they purposefully made Trinity look strange when he saw the newspaper article - he didn't really look surprised. And right after that he dropped his facade of Mr. Nice Guy with the waitress. His true self came out then. Perhaps he's a multiple personality and just realized his other side had killed Lundy.

[Devil_666]

Perhaps he's a multiple personality and just realized his other side had killed Lundy.

God I hope not. Remember "Raising Cain"? :lol

[DinoLast]

I agree that it's not Anton, but there are still questions as to why they did not show the face of Lundy's killer.

[El Skutto]

I just watched it last night. Here are some thoughts.

Despite Dexter and pretty much everyone else believing it was Trinity who killed Lundy, I'm still not convinced. Why? Well, if it was Trinity, then why didn't they show us his face during the shooting scene? It's not like we didn't know he was a killer, so why hide the shooter's identity if you're just going to expose them in the following episode? I'm convinced they did it for a purpose, and that purpose is to surprise us when the actual shooter's identity is finally revealed.

However, I'm also no longer convinced Anton had anything to do with it. He's just a character they needed to write out of the series for some reason (maybe because the Producer, Michael C. Hall himself, is married to Jennifer Carpenter?). I can't remember who first mentioned this theory, but I'm also starting to warm to the thought that it's the reporter who did the killing.

It would be the classic case of creating news to stay on top. Like those firefighters who are later discovered to have been the ones setting the fires in the first place. In this case, she hit it big with her scoop on the Vacation Killers thanks to Quinn, but when he ended their relationship, she lost her source for her insider information. So, she goes out and kills someone according to the M.O. of the VK in order to generate yet more publicity and to once again be the one who gets the scoop. She knew about Lundy's background hunting for serial killers due to the article that was written about him, so his death would definitely be news-worthy. And she might have avoided killing Deb because she knew she was Quinn's partner and didn't want him removed from the case or something along those lines.

Whatever the reason, I still don't buy that Trinity shot Deb and Lundy. It's too easy, and the fact that they chose not to reveal the shooter's face speaks volumes.

And I still can't stand Deb and/or Rita. :banghead

[die]

It's all about thinking it through to a logical conclusion. I think the first 2 seasons did a great job of having the story make sense & still surprising us. Season 3 was kinda cheap in the fact that the Skinner was such a letdown (people were looking for something really clever out of that angle).



If Trinity shot Lundy & Deb:
It definitely doesn't fit his ritual, but what if Trinity came to Miami because he knows the Bay Harbor Butcher is still at large? I mean, it would be easy to do a little research and find out that questionable people in the Miami area are still vaninshing. Maybe he plans on having the Bay Harbor Butcher kill him and then dispose of him. That way he'll never go to jail and never have his family suffer with the shame. When he saw Lundy was hot on his trail, he saw it as a threat to spoil his master plan & quickly disposed of Lundy in a way that would draw attention to the Vacation Killers rather than the Trinity Killer.

[Darth Caedus]

Just rewatched the episode and I think I might have seen who might have done it. When Quinn called Deb to tell her that they got the perps who shot her, didn't he seem a LITTLE bit too happy when he told her.......Hmmmm..............

As for the Rita telling Dexter no secrets, I thought he was going to but out her first marriage right in her face. I totally forgot about that, she's not going to be happy when she finds that out :lol

[El Skutto]

Oh yeah, that reminds me of something else. Dexter could have easily lied his way out of the apartment issue, too. All he had to do was show Rita some of the photos from the Trinity killings and tell her that he kept the apartment so that he'd have a place to work on his cases, away from distractions, and in such a place that the kids could never stumble across his work stuff. "I was doing it for the kids, Rita", might have worked.

[Tyler]

When Dexter told Deb's that she wasn't broken, he was the one that was broken. I thought it might lead to something more being said, but she didn't even register what he had said to her.

Rita is anoying and a little overbearing sometimes, but I think that all her previous partners have been so bad to her that she just want's Dexter to be her Mr Right/Perfect. Now she is not blinded by new love she is starting to see through his lies. It concerns her that Dexter might actually be a ^^^^ just like all her previous men.

[hairlesswookiee]

Oh yeah, that reminds me of something else. Dexter could have easily lied his way out of the apartment issue, too. All he had to do was show Rita some of the photos from the Trinity killings and tell her that he kept the apartment so that he'd have a place to work on his cases, away from distractions, and in such a place that the kids could never stumble across his work stuff. "I was doing it for the kids, Rita", might have worked.

I was thinking that too. When he brought all of Lundy's files and reports to the apartment I thought she would've seen them when she arrived to confront him.

[Colossus]

Just rewatched the episode and I think I might have seen who might have done it. When Quinn called Deb to tell her that they got the perps who shot her, didn't he seem a LITTLE bit too happy when he told her.......Hmmmm..............

As for the Rita telling Dexter no secrets, I thought he was going to but out her first marriage right in her face. I totally forgot about that, she's not going to be happy when she finds that out :lol

I agree on the Quinn angle, just a couple of us have touched on this topic, Theres just something about him that under the charm he's not what he seems to be?

[hairlesswookiee]

I agree on the Quinn angle, just a couple of us have touched on this topic, Theres just something about him that under the charm he's not what he seems to be?

http://i34.tinypic.com/2dkj1g9.jpg

[Colossus]

http://i34.tinypic.com/2dkj1g9.jpg

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl Thats Good, Long Day need a Good Laugh, Thanks HW, you know Deb brought the phrase back

[SwedishHeat]

but I'm also starting to warm to the thought that it's the reporter who did the killing.

It would be the classic case of creating news to stay on top. Like those firefighters who are later discovered to have been the ones setting the fires in the first place. In this case, she hit it big with her scoop on the Vacation Killers thanks to Quinn, but when he ended their relationship, she lost her source for her insider information. So, she goes out and kills someone according to the M.O. of the VK in order to generate yet more publicity and to once again be the one who gets the scoop. She knew about Lundy's background hunting for serial killers due to the article that was written about him, so his death would definitely be news-worthy. And she might have avoided killing Deb because she knew she was Quinn's partner and didn't want him removed from the case or something along those lines.

I'll throw my weight behind this theory.

[hairlesswookiee]

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl Thats Good, Long Day need a Good Laugh, Thanks HW, you know Deb brought the phrase back

Thanks man!!! I might be in the minority, but I can't stand that guy. Quinn is so shady he'd probably screw over his sister to make a quick buck.

~~Oh, D-bag never really went away. I've been using it for a long time. Basically learned it from being in the Army. If you want to hear something funny go on youtube and look for Jay Mohr's definition of D-Nozzle. It makes me cringe a little bit.

[El Skutto]

Theres just something about him that under the charm he's not what he seems to be?

I know what you mean. Everytime he comes on screen I'm reminded of the character he played in Ghost Ship, Ferriman. :horror

[Colossus]

I know what you mean. Everytime he comes on screen I'm reminded of the character he played in Ghost Ship, Ferriman. :horror

Yea theres that, you know that feeling you get when you meet some people in life that you don't trust or a sence of manipulation from them.

[El Skutto]

Yea theres that, you know that feeling you get when you meet some people in life that you don't trust or a sence of manipulation from them.

Yep, I know exactly what you mean. Up here we call those people "lawyers" or "real estate agents"... :D

[hairlesswookiee]

Yep, I know exactly what you mean. Up here we call those people "lawyers" or "real estate agents"... :D

Don't forget about most Doctors. Sorry, but I have nothing against most of them but something just makes me feel that they sell out to the highest bidding drug reps.

[El Skutto]

Don't forget about most Doctors. Sorry, but I have nothing against most of them but something just makes me feel that they sell out to the highest bidding drug reps.

Luckily, that's not an issue up here. Doctors' salaries are set by the government, so there's no benefit to prescribing unneccessary procedures or medications. They still do quite well, but not the millions doctors make in the US. And that's precisely the reason we have trouble keeping them here.

[Colossus]

Yep, I know exactly what you mean. Up here we call those people "lawyers" or "real estate agents"... :D

Don't forget everyones Favorite "Politians" I have a special distain for, and thats putting it nice *&^!t^&%*^&&%**%&&, I feel alittle better after that rant :D

[hairlesswookiee]

Luckily, that's not an issue up here. Doctors' salaries are set by the government, so there's no benefit to prescribing unneccessary procedures or medications. They still do quite well, but not the millions doctors make in the US. And that's precisely the reason we have trouble keeping them here.

That's why I like socialized medicine. The doctors actually spend time and listen to the patients instead of walking in and talking to the patient while reading the chart.

[Darklord Dave]

Anyway...

Lithgow was great in Raising Cain - he did chew up the scenery a bit, but was still a standout performance.

[El Skutto]

He totally rocked in Cliffhanger, too. :rock

[Colossus]

lets not forget a Early performance as a Mad Doctor in Buckaroo Banzi

[DinoDB1975]

Lithgow as Reverand Shaw Moore in Footloose FTW.

[hairlesswookiee]

Lithgow as Reverand Shaw Moore in Footloose FTW.

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl Now we know what he was really up to.

[die]

Another great episode last night. Season 4 is really delivering for me.

It was nice to see some classic Dexter last night. The way he's learning from the Trinity Killer is perfect. I'm still thinking that the TK is not as naive as Dexter is thinking. I wouldn't be surprised if he already knows about Dexter.

Things are definitely shaping up for a huge final episode. I'm looking for a huge cliffhange type ending this season since they didn't deliver one last season.

[hairlesswookiee]

It was nice to see some classic Dexter last night. The way he's learning from the Trinity Killer is perfect. I'm still thinking that the TK is not as naive as Dexter is thinking. I wouldn't be surprised if he already knows about Dexter.

Things are definitely shaping up for a huge final episode. I'm looking for a huge cliffhange type ending this season since they didn't deliver one last season.

That's what I was feeling. It was almost too easy for Dexter to get in close to him. I'm glad that we seemingly saw the last of whiny Rita. She was seriously getting on my nerves with all of her bit## fest.

[-jay-]

That's what I was feeling. It was almost too easy for Dexter to get in close to him. I'm glad that we seemingly saw the last of whiny Rita. She was seriously getting on my nerves with all of her bit## fest.

Same here man looks like she will be ok now? great episdoe really enjoyed it like i do every week!

[Darth Caedus]

Yep, no more whiny Rita. Hopefully now, she'll get naked for us :rock

I too have been thinking that Trinity has been acting VERY naive the last few episodes. Probably why it's so easy for him to hide, nobody suspects the nice guy. I'm still thinking that Quinn shot Lundy/Deb though......

[-jay-]

Yep, no more whiny Rita. Hopefully now, she'll get naked for us :rock

I too have been thinking that Trinity has been acting VERY naive the last few episodes. Probably why it's so easy for him to hide, nobody suspects the nice guy. I'm still thinking that Quinn shot Lundy/Deb though......

Oh god please let that happen! :monkey5

[hairlesswookiee]

Yep, no more whiny Rita. Hopefully now, she'll get naked for us :rock.

YES!!!! That would be fantastic. She is smoking hot and I would love to see her bare ASSets.

[Darklord Dave]

I don't think Trinity is naive. He's sick and some things set him off. Dexter knew exactly the right button to push.

I also like how the Therapist (from Nip/Tuck - yay!) calls Rita on her unjustified expectations.

They are really trying to make us think Trinity shot Lundy and Deb with Dexter believing it so firmly. They haven't really posited an alternative either with the Vacation killers out of the mix. I really don't think Quinn or Anton are believeable.

[SwedishHeat]

They are really trying to make us think Trinity shot Lundy and Deb with Dexter believing it so firmly. They haven't really posited an alternative either with the Vacation killers out of the mix. I really don't think Quinn or Anton are believeable.

There's still Quinn's reporter girlfriend, desperate for a story. Desperate enough to make the story herself?? DUN DUN DUN!!!

She did start to needle Quinn about an interview with Deb, maybe they're laying down some hints??

[El Skutto]

There's still Quinn's reporter girlfriend, desperate for a story. Desperate enough to make the story herself?? DUN DUN DUN!!!

She did start to needle Quinn about an interview with Deb, maybe they're laying down some hints??

My money's definitely still on the reporter, and Sunday's episode only cemented that belief. I just don't see Quinn being the guilty party in this. They've spent so long developing his character into someone who could conceivably discover Dexter's secret, so it'd be a shame to waste him now. Again, everyone's jumping to conclusions that it's Trinity (including the police), so it pretty much HAS to be a red herring.

I also hope we're seeing the end of annoying, suspicious Rita. However, annoying Deb doubled up the crazy on Sunday, further fueling my hope that her character meets a nasty end, and soon. She's just way too unhinged.

[die]

Motive is very important. How would someone benefit from the deaths of Lundy and/or Debra?

-The Trinity Killer would benefit the most because they were both tracking him. The thing here is that Trinity would've probably been watching them & would surely know of Dexter already (which is why I think he's playing along with the whole "Kyle Butler" routine)

-Anton could've done it in a fit of rage & just played dumb when Debra broke up with him (which is more of a stretch)

-Quinn could've done it because he looked at the Trinity case as stealing the thunder of the Vacaction Killer case which he was working on and could advance his career (also a stretch)

[hairlesswookiee]

I'm thinking it is Quinn's reporter/GF. In this week's episode when Quinn walked out to talk to Deb and the GF was watching them which kind of sat weird with me.
Quinn is a total clown, but I don't think he's gonna go killing former FBI agents and cops. That's a line I doubt he'll cross.

[die]

I think Quinn's girlfriend is just trying to work an angle for a story. She wants to interview Debra, so she's curious about how close Quinn is to her & how she can capitalize on it.

I'm sure she's just using Quinn and she could really care less about him. Quinn seems like your basic cop, sure he does some questionable things but I can't see him as really bad just kinda naive & jaded.

[El Skutto]

Motive is very important. How would someone benefit from the deaths of Lundy and/or Debra?

-The Trinity Killer would benefit the most because they were both tracking him. The thing here is that Trinity would've probably been watching them & would surely know of Dexter already (which is why I think he's playing along with the whole "Kyle Butler" routine)

I disagree. First off, it's been mentioned over and over again that the ritual is of paramount importance for Trinity. He always kills in threes, and always in exactly the same way. To assume that he'd suddenly scrap his ritual for a murder of convenience makes no sense. In fact, I'm surprised that Dexter is buying into it, too. This is most likely a red herring, as they purposely filmed the shooting scene without showing us the shooter's face. Why do that if it IS Trinity; why attempt to conceal his identity if they're just going to announce him as the killer in the following episode?

Second, Deb wasn't on Trinity's trail; only Lundy was pursuing that angle. Deb was searching for the Vacation Killer, same as Quinn. And let's just assume that Trinity did the shooting - why would he leave a potential eye witness alive? If he's killing Lundy to protect his identity, then why not also make sure that Deb died, too? The only motive I can think of for leaving Deb alive is that Deb is somehow important to the killer, or to the killer's plans.

I also disagree about Trinity knowing about Dexter. If Trinity did kill Lundy to protect his identity, then why do all that role-playing with Dexter? For thrills? No, it just doesn't make any sense at all.

Unless they start introducing new characters between now and the finale, I'm sticking with Quinn's girlfriend as the culprit.

[die]

If Lundy's death is related to the Trinity Killer, it could be that Trinity has multiple personalities. Episode 5, the "Denver Omelette" scene features Trinity looking shocked at the news of Lundy's death, immediately followed by anger (he also mumbles something while watching, not sure if he's reading the screen or what). Debra had been meeting with Lundy to discuss the TK case quite often.

Does anybody really believe that the Trinity Killer is falling for the "Kyle Butler" routine? If Dexter truly believes that Trinity shot Deb & killed Lundy, doesn't he know that more than likely Trinity knows who Dexter is already? I mean, he was hand-picked by Lundy to help on the TK case and he is Debra's brother (who was also shot). Wouldn't it be easy to figure out who Dexter was since he's so closely related to Lundy & Debra?

It's very possible that Trinity knows alot about Dexter. Wounding Debra could be part of his plans for Dexter. It's also possible that Trinity's son could be involved, that would ultimately make Dexter concerned for his own son's future. Perhaps Trinity's son shot Lundy to save his dad?

Knowing how this show normally works, it wouldn't make much sense for the killer to be the news reporter, Anton or Quinn. I'd pick Matthews over those three (he's evil, it's just a matter of time). One thing we know is that Dexter's character has to evolve after Trinity's death, so we can expect some enlightening twist.

[Darklord Dave]

Some pretty far out theories here. But I'm pretty sure Trinity doesn't know about Dexter (yet) and that it wasn't the reporter or Anton that shot Lundy. That is a good point about why Trinity left Deb alive if he was out to stop Lundy from uncovering him. You could argue that he doesn't use guns and was perhaps just incompetent, but he did get close enough to take their valuables, so he must have realized she was still alive. Although his connection to his sister might have inhibited him from killing a young woman like that outside of his ritual.

Also in argument that it wasn't Trinity that killed Lundy - he kind of acted like he wanted to be caught. Shooting Lundy wouldn't be consistent with his behavior at the bludgeoning building when he made himself known to Lundy.

[DinoLast]

I like the thought that Trinity suspects Dexter is not really Kyle. It would make the giving of the hammer to Dexter more of a game of one-upmanship.

[Darklord Dave]

I like the thought that Trinity suspects Dexter is not really Kyle. It would make the giving of the hammer to Dexter more of a game of one-upmanship.

I really don't think he suspects Dexter, but I did think that perhaps he was going to frame "Kyle" when he gave him that framing hammer.

[Seditionary]

What I've been wondering is, if Trinity turns out to not be responsible for Lundy's death, would Dexter still go through with killing him? I mean, probably, but it would be difficult in a way taking what Dexter almost wishes he had with his family and destroying it for another man/family. It's also interesting that he didn't see his father at all in this episode. worth pointing out I think.

One of my favorite parts of this show is the fact that he learns valuable life lessons from potential, and from victims. My favorite being that lady cop in this season, where he learns he'd rather risk his family finding out the truth then losing them. My second favorite being that episode with the therapist where he wants to kill him but puts it off to have more sessions with him. Cracks me up.

[Darklord Dave]

What I've been wondering is, if Trinity turns out to not be responsible for Lundy's death, would Dexter still go through with killing him? I mean, probably, but it would be difficult in a way taking what Dexter almost wishes he had with his family and destroying it for another man/family. It's also interesting that he didn't see his father at all in this episode. worth pointing out I think.

One of my favorite parts of this show is the fact that he learns valuable life lessons from potential, and from victims. My favorite being that lady cop in this season, where he learns he'd rather risk his family finding out the truth then losing them. My second favorite being that episode with the therapist where he wants to kill him but puts it off to have more sessions with him. Cracks me up.

Yes, he'd kill Trinity with no compunction at all. Remember Dexter isn't doing it for revenge or some moral outrage like Batman does. He kills serial killers because that's how his father taught him to fill his need to kill and still fulfill some moral role in the world.

The more successful a serial killer is, the more Dexter enjoys the hunt and kill, it's more of a challenge. Trinity is the best he's ever faced - Dexter doesn't race to kill him because the guy is cold-blooded murderer. He plans on extracting anything at all that he can learn about fitting into society from Trinity - and then killing him.

[die]

Dexter would definitely kill Trinity. Trinity kills innocent people in ritual manners, he 100% fits Harry's code. An interesting idea would be for Dexter to run into another serial killer that kills almost identically to the way that he kills.

The show always throws us off with loose ends that we overanalyze, but that's part of the fun to me. I remember last season how everybody was thinking that Yuki (the asian chick investigating Quinn) was The Skinner. She turned out to really have no impact on the show at all. I'm wondering about the reporters idea to do a story on Deb, is it possible there may be mention of her brother Dexter or perhaps a photo with him in it? That could end up being a way for TK to figure out who Dexter is (if he doesn't know already). I also wonder why TK gave his son that car as a gift, could he be training his son to kill? The son seems to be too good to be true much like Trinity.

Or all these theories could probably amount to nothing and they will go in a completely different direction.

[El Skutto]

Dexter would definitely kill Trinity. Trinity kills innocent people in ritual manners, he 100% fits Harry's code. An interesting idea would be for Dexter to run into another serial killer that kills almost identically to the way that he kills.

The show always throws us off with loose ends that we overanalyze, but that's part of the fun to me. I remember last season how everybody was thinking that Yuki (the asian chick investigating Quinn) was The Skinner. She turned out to really have no impact on the show at all. I'm wondering about the reporters idea to do a story on Deb, is it possible there may be mention of her brother Dexter or perhaps a photo with him in it? That could end up being a way for TK to figure out who Dexter is (if he doesn't know already). I also wonder why TK gave his son that car as a gift, could he be training his son to kill? The son seems to be too good to be true much like Trinity.

Or all these theories could probably amount to nothing and they will go in a completely different direction.

I was thinking that the reporter wanted the interview with Deb to find out what, if anything, she remembers from the night of the shooting. To find out if she needs to worry about being identified.

And I see no reason whatsoever to assume that Trinity's son is in any way involved in his dad's murders or that he even wants to be a murderer himself. I think you're trying too hard to find weird plot angles and are therefore seeing them everywhere. :peace

[DinoLast]

There is some other suspects in Lundy's murder I could throw into the mix, Trinity's wife or son?
LOL I know it's not likely, but you never know with Dexter

[Tyler]

I thought it was funny that Dexter and Rita have only been married a couple of months and she is already calling in therapists/councilors at the first sign of marrital trouble. It made Rita seem like a weak person to me. Surely you give it a go yourself for a few months after you realise your marriage isn't perfect before going to those extremes?

Does anyone think Deb's might find out who Trinity is before Dexter makes him dissapear forever. Also if she does will she try to find evidence to arrest him with or maybe go a more personal route and think about killing Trinity herself? Unless she finds that someone else killed Lundy instead of Trinity.

[DinoDB1975]

Cryptic line of the week for me in this last episode was when Trinity said to Dexter that "My family saved me". In what way? This is probably more nefarious than intended, but could Trinity's wife (maybe not the family) be aware of his activities and could they be encouraging them? In the scene where Trinity got into the tub with his wife, I half-expected to see the camera pan down under the watre and see some kind of incision scar on his wife's thigh.

I wonder what kind of shenanigans Quinn is going to be involved in next week at the night club where Dexter goes to stalk his next victim.

[die]

And I see no reason whatsoever to assume that Trinity's son is in any way involved in his dad's murders or that he even wants to be a murderer himself. I think you're trying too hard to find weird plot angles and are therefore seeing them everywhere. :peace

It's more interesting to me than following the trend of last season and picking people with no motive (like Yuki or Anton) to be The Skinner. The show already establishes there needs to be motive and something Dexter learns from the killer.

If TK's son is responsible for Lundy's death, it puts Dexter in a strange place. He has a son himself that he wonders about becoming like him...Also, the question of whether a son should be punished for the sins of his father? Explain how this makes less sense than believing a skank reporter totally one-upped Dexter leading to the dramatic conclusion where he kills her in 2 seconds and does not grow at all as a character from the experience?

Again, it's just all part of the fun with this show since the first season. It's never cut-and-dry, it's fun to guess wrong and be surprised :peace

[Batty]

During the scene where Dex was holding the urn, my wife literally screamed when they showed the close-up of Lithgow coming towards the screen. :lol

I wonder if the car Trinity gave his son has any significance.

[Seditionary]

The urn scene definitely had some good tension.

Still the idea of Dexter killing the Trinity killer so far makes me pretty uneasy. I guess its the thought of him creating another monster similar to himself or trinity. I know that hasn't been an issue really this far that I can recall, but its just what I've been thinking about.

I guess this brings the discussion of whether or not the serial killer gene is created by events you can't control around you, or if it is handed down to you from a family member, or something else. Of course I suppose everyone is capable of murder, while others can't control the urge.

I forgot what the hell I was talken about.

[CelticPredator]

The Urn scene freake me out....

[Darklord Dave]

I wonder if the car Trinity gave his son has any significance.

Hadn't thought about it, but it must or they wouldn't bring it up. Perhaps it has some evidence from one of Trinity's previous cycles?

I guess its the thought of him creating another monster similar to himself or trinity. I know that hasn't been an issue really this far that I can recall, but its just what I've been thinking about.



But Dexter and the Ice Truck Killer were created by huge trauma as children. The way Dexter takes out serial killers doesn't leave any evidence or trauma - they just disappear. But that might be something to deal with in a future season - maybe a killer's kid is exposed to something horrific and he tries to make sure the kid isn't ruined by it.

[El Skutto]

It's more interesting to me than following the trend of last season and picking people with no motive (like Yuki or Anton) to be The Skinner. The show already establishes there needs to be motive and something Dexter learns from the killer.

If TK's son is responsible for Lundy's death, it puts Dexter in a strange place. He has a son himself that he wonders about becoming like him...Also, the question of whether a son should be punished for the sins of his father? Explain how this makes less sense than believing a skank reporter totally one-upped Dexter leading to the dramatic conclusion where he kills her in 2 seconds and does not grow at all as a character from the experience?

Again, it's just all part of the fun with this show since the first season. It's never cut-and-dry, it's fun to guess wrong and be surprised :peace


I still think you're trying too hard to find potential storylines where they probably don't exist. I firmly believe that Trinity's son has absolutely nothing to do with the story, other than to show Dexter that it is possible to raise a normal, well-adjusted child and still lead a double-life. Remember that Trinity's ritual occurs once a decade - unless he indoctrinated his kid into killing when he was still a pre-schooler, I see no evidence at all that he's involved.

As for Dexter learning his lesson from the killer, that's precisely why he's decided to latch onto Arthur instead of outright killing him at the first opportunity. He's using Trinity to learn how to balance both sides of his life, and then once he's learned all he can, he'll dispose of him.

The reporter isn't the primary killer this season, she's just a catalyst, so Dexter learning any kind of life lesson from her isn't the issue. The purpose she might fulfill is to teach Dexter a lesson about jumping to conclusions because of emotion. Again, it parallels the previous season, where the Skinner's real identity and motivations weren't all that important, he was just the motivating factor for certain characters and events. In my mind, the reporter serves the same purpose. And I don't see how killing Lundy would mean she's "one-upped" Dexter. Remember that the ONLY person who even suspected the existence of a "Trinity" serial murderer was Lundy - the police, media and the public are all firmly convinced it was the VK.

How's this for a theory? We'll learn that Arthur's dad molested his sister Vera, which resulted in her committing suicide in the bathtub. When his wife finds out about his incestuous relationship and puts two and two together, she also commits suicide by leaping to her death. Arthur then exacted revenge on his father by bludgeoning him to death with a hammer. The trauma from losing his entire family is what caused him to go over the edge and develop his ritual.

I guess we'll know for sure in the coming weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if we both turn out to be completely wrong on this.

[DinoDB1975]

I still think you're trying too hard to find potential storylines where they probably don't exist. I firmly believe that Trinity's son has absolutely nothing to do with the story, other than to show Dexter that it is possible to raise a normal, well-adjusted child and still lead a double-life. Remember that Trinity's ritual occurs once a decade - unless he indoctrinated his kid into killing when he was still a pre-schooler, I see no evidence at all that he's involved.

As for Dexter learning his lesson from the killer, that's precisely why he's decided to latch onto Arthur instead of outright killing him at the first opportunity. He's using Trinity to learn how to balance both sides of his life, and then once he's learned all he can, he'll dispose of him.

The reporter isn't the primary killer this season, she's just a catalyst, so Dexter learning any kind of life lesson from her isn't the issue. The purpose she might fulfill is to teach Dexter a lesson about jumping to conclusions because of emotion. Again, it parallels the previous season, where the Skinner's real identity and motivations weren't all that important, he was just the motivating factor for certain characters and events. In my mind, the reporter serves the same purpose. And I don't see how killing Lundy would mean she's "one-upped" Dexter. Remember that the ONLY person who even suspected the existence of a "Trinity" serial murderer was Lundy - the police, media and the public are all firmly convinced it was the VK.

How's this for a theory? We'll learn that Arthur's dad molested his sister Vera, which resulted in her committing suicide in the bathtub. When his wife finds out about his incestuous relationship and puts two and two together, she also commits suicide by leaping to her death. Arthur then exacted revenge on his father by bludgeoning him to death with a hammer. The trauma from losing his entire family is what caused him to go over the edge and develop his ritual.

I guess we'll know for sure in the coming weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if we both turn out to be completely wrong on this.

That's a pretty good theory, dude.

[Seditionary]

yeah, thats pretty friggin awesome skutto

[Darklord Dave]

That is probably pretty close to what they have in mind. But Arthur is pretty twisted, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was he who was having a sexual relationship with his sister (see how he mirrored the sister-surrogate behaviour with his wife in the tub?) and that caused the suicide and he killed the father because he couldn't accept that he had been the one responsible for her suicide and transferred the incest guilt onto his father.

[Seditionary]

It'd be interesting to rewatch the scenes where arthur murders people in the show and listen to what he's saying with this theory in mind.

[DinoLast]

I have to say so far this season has been on top form and a bit of an improvement on season 3 which was still amazing.
I'm finding the Trinity killer fascinating, and I think he's such a great character that he could have a show of his own. I guess that's all down to Lithgow who is brilliant in playing Trinity. Thank goodness his Wife talked him in to taking the role.
I just found this out for Sunday's episode.

Tempted to learn how the Trinity Killer has evaded capture, Dexter begins to make mistakes as he deviates from his protective "code," leading to a plot twist in Sunday's episode, "Slack Tide."

Can't wait.

[die]

It could very well be that Dexter learns that you can be a murderer and still have a normal son, very good point.

I think's it's pretty safe to say that TK's mom's death was a suicide & the dad's was a murder. The sister's death also would appear to be possibly sexual in nature (based on the recreated crime from the start of this season and the scene with him & his wife in the tub).

I can't help but feel like that would be too cut & dry for a conclusion to Dexter, though. It's gotta be more epic, hopefully.

I'm just hoping that the shooting of Lundy & Debra plays more of a role than just a distraction. Last season's Skinner himself didn't play much of a role, but the situation Dexter was in did. He actually experienced fear. He was afraid he wouldn't ever see his son and get to raise him. So, it was very important to the character development.

[Darth Caedus]

Well, the shooting of Lundy/Deb I think is more of a distraction already. It led Dexter to want revenge on Trinity, but he seemed to have forgotten it because he wants to learn from him

[die]

Looks like Quinn is gonna be more of a distraction as well. The show definitely used to be much more tense with Doakes on Dexter's trail, looks like that's the plan for Quinn.

[GatackFC]

I thought that Quinn seemed like the replacement Doakes as soon as I saw him. His beef with Dexter is less tense though and Desmond Harrington doesn't really seem menacing enough to be a threat in Dexter's life.

[DinoDB1975]

Yeah, Doakes is way higher on the bada$$ scale than Quinn is. The second season of Dexter is still my favorite season of all because of the James Doakes/Dexter interaction.

[Chimera 1]

Dexter was really good last night!! I think Trinity is looking to put "Kyle" in the casket for getting to close. It is getting interesting.

[DinoDB1975]

Some one mind giving a quick recap of last night's episode? I DVRed it and ended up watching it around 1:00/2:00 in the morning and was half-asleep at the end. Dexter killed the photographer, but Miami-Dade ended up bringing in his assistants for the murders, right? I remember seeing this, but the details are fuzzy.

[Chimera 1]

Some one mind giving a quick recap of last night's episode? I DVRed it and ended up watching it around 1:00/2:00 in the morning and was half-asleep at the end. Dexter killed the photographer, but Miami-Dade ended up bringing in his assistants for the murders, right? I remember seeing this, but the details are fuzzy.

Yeah Dexter jumped the gun on that one. He killed an innocent man, although the guy seemed really disturbed anyway.
Deb got the ok to investigate trinity. Trinity and Dexter aka Kyle went and cut down a tree that trinity then made into a coffin. Quinn is keeping a close eye on Dexter and Deb also gave up the hunt for the woman her Dad was sleeping with.

[DinoDB1975]

Thanks, I remember a majority of what happened before the last 15/20 minutes but what evidence did Miami Dade PD have on the assistant? I'll have to rewatched this episode later tonight.

[Seditionary]

I really hate quinn. Him showing up at that club was...unnerving. This whole episode made me uneasy, what with Dexter messing up like he did. The look on him and his father's faces was chilling.

I did like how they set up the deer as sort of a foreshadowing of dexter murdering an innocent. He killed them both in the same fashion. The deer got in the way of dexter and arthur's path as did the photographer

This season is definitely going very strong.

[-jay-]

Yeah i can't stand Quinn either hope he does something so Dex can kill him. :lol

Great episode again can't wait for the next one.

[DinoLast]

I wonder if turns out the Photographer did the murders with the other guy?
I'm not sure what to make of the casket? Must be part of his ritual before he kills again?
Also if Trinity can not bring himself to kill the deer, maybe he can't kill outside of his code?
That is making me think Lundy's killer might be somebody else, and Dexter will find this out, as from next weeks preview he seems to be getting so close to Trinity
he gets a confession out of him

[die]

So, does Dexter have to kill himself now? :confused:

That would've been a great final episode for the series.:duh


as for the coffin, anybody think it's possible that Trinity is planning on it being for himself?

[DinoLast]

So, does Dexter have to kill himself now? :confused:

I think that he realises that he must listen to his inner voice/ Harry, and not deviate from the code. I bet it does not last long though knowing how the show keeps you on the edge of your seat. :lol
As for Quinn my guess is his future is not looking too rosy if he's going up against Dex. Doakes came out second best and he was twice the man Quinn is

[die]

Doakes was going after Dexter because his instincts told him that Dexter was not what he appeared to be. Quinn seems to be after Dexter just to get some dirt on him to make things even between the 2 of them (since Dexter knows Quinn is taking money).

Doakes is definitely more awesome than Quinn!

It does seem like Quinn and Debra are getting closer over the past few episodes, so things with Dexter & Quinn may get even more hectic.

[barryo]

i hate the Quinn....HATE !!!...:mad:
die.........i think trinity is making the coffin for himself......i think he realizes with lundy being so close that he realizes he isnt as untouchable as he thought he was and maybe envisioned his own death. who knows with these whacky serial killer types.:rolleyes:.....:lol

[-jay-]

I think that he realises that he must listen to his inner voice/ Harry, and not deviate from the code. I bet it does not last long though knowing how the show keeps you on the edge of your seat. :lol
As for Quinn my guess is his future is not looking too rosy if he's going up against Dex. Doakes came out second best and he was twice the man Quinn is

So very true i hope it's bye bye to Quinn soon? even his face pisses me off. :lol

[Seditionary]

I think things are going to end badly for Quinn one way or another. Hopefully that reporter chick gets the boot sometime soon, too.

[El Skutto]

I noticed something...disconcerting this past week. That reporter chick? She looks exactly like Lance Bass in a wig. :monkey4

[hairlesswookiee]

So very true i hope it's bye bye to Quinn soon? even his face pisses me off. :lol

LOL... he looks like such a douche too. I really hate Quinn and hopefully Dexter teaches him a lesson for messing with him.

[die]

I noticed something...disconcerting this past week. That reporter chick? She looks exactly like Lance Bass in a wig. :monkey4

:lol


The coffin thing definitely has my mind racing. Is it for Dexter? Is it for himself? Is he planning on killing his family? Is he gonna kill his own son so he doesn't end up following in his path? or does he have a totally different kill in mind?

Watch it turn out to not even be important to the story at all.

[SwedishHeat]

The coffin thing definitely has my mind racing. Is it for Dexter? Is it for himself? Is he planning on killing his family? Is he gonna kill his own son so he doesn't end up following in his path? or does he have a totally different kill in mind?

Watch it turn out to not even be important to the story at all.

I'm sure it's important. Showtime does this little code thing each week, and this week's question was about that coffin. Well, the answer was 'coffin' but yeah. They wouldn't bring it up if it wasn't important.

[Colossus]

Maybe the Coffin's for the Deer? just a thought

[DinoLast]

I'm sure it's important. Showtime does this little code thing each week, and this week's question was about that coffin. Well, the answer was 'coffin' but yeah. They wouldn't bring it up if it wasn't important.

Maybe the Trinity killer name is inappropriate as he kills in fours?

The coffin could be the start of a new cycle.

[Seditionary]

Maybe the Coffin's for the Deer? just a thought

hahaha I love that.

I love the trinity and dexter hang out sessions. Dexter looks like such a nutcase sometimes, especially when he chops that things head off. It's like hes hoping trinity will catch on to him.

[barryo]

hahaha I love that.

I love the trinity and dexter hang out sessions. Dexter looks like such a nutcase sometimes, especially when he chops that things head off. It's like hes hoping trinity will catch on to him.
i agree to a point ..............dexter always has his ???? together when he's in control, then he's cool , calculating, & cocky...........but when things go astray thats when he can kinda lose it..........but he always seems to reign himself in & things always fall in to place and seemingly for a purpose. that may be dexter's mind/rational wrestling with karma though........ :lol. (big props to the writers of this series) prolly my favorite series of all time..........:banana

[Colossus]

So I guess we all know what the coffin was ment for, so does this mean that his killing spree is over now since he has no more of his sisters ashes, it wouldn't be that easy according to the previews Quinns gf gets a visitor and rita may get wrote out being a cheating hoe???

[SwedishHeat]

Stupid thought: maybe its the crazy *** reporter chick shot them both out of some crazy spite towards Quinn...or maybe even to have more to write about.

Once Deb found out that the shooter is a short person . . . I think we owe you all a Coke. With the reporter dying for a story because her job is on the line. . .yup, she did it.

[SwedishHeat]

So I guess we all know what the coffin was ment for, so does this mean that his killing spree is over now since he has no more of his sisters ashes, it wouldn't be that easy according to the previews Quinns gf gets a visitor and rita may get wrote out being a cheating hoe???

I think he still has ashes left in the urn, I think he poured just a little bit out into that vial. I'm not sure his cycle is over, Dexter said that Trinity used suicide to relieve himself of his guilt, and continue living a normal life. I took that to mean he killed 3 people, then "attempted" suicide at the build site where he knew someone would find him and stop him.

[die]

Last night's episode was somewhat of a letdown to me. The Trinity Killer has really lost alot of his creepyness factor to me, he seemed a bit too goofy last night. I really hope they don't keep that going. Remember how interesting he was in the begininng?!

I'm also hoping they are just trying to trick us into believing the reporter chick did the shootings, I just can't see that being interesting.

I don't like the neighbor and Rita hooking up either, they are really screwing up with her character with this season & last season. She keeps becoming less important. (kill her off!)

Last night I really thought Debra would go into Dexter's desk to find those photos and find the half-shredded photo of his mom.

[DinoDB1975]

Well forensic science finally came in to play. Simple ballistics should have also proven the guns used in the Vacation Killers murders and Lundy's murder were different, but the shooting angle was a creative way to prove that Trinity wasn't the shooter.

I think part of the exuberance Trinity had was thinking that since Dexter "confessed" to him as well as saved him, he no longer has to kill...but he will find out that along the course of his 30 years, he's acquired the taste for killing and can't stop...

[DinoLast]

Last night's episode was somewhat of a letdown to me. The Trinity Killer has really lost alot of his creepyness factor to me, he seemed a bit too goofy last night. I really hope they don't keep that going. Remember how interesting he was in the begininng?!

I'm also hoping they are just trying to trick us into believing the reporter chick did the shootings, I just can't see that being interesting.

I don't like the neighbor and Rita hooking up either, they are really screwing up with her character with this season & last season. She keeps becoming less important. (kill her off!)

Last night I really thought Debra would go into Dexter's desk to find those photos and find the half-shredded photo of his mom.

I found Trinity to be even more creepy than I expected.
I mean he's doing this dance and saying to Dexter let's go and see something it's a surprise, for it turn out he's taken him to the place his sister died. The man's a lose cannon and seems to go from normal to psychotic in seconds.
I still think the shooter could be Trinity's wife.

[DinoLast]

One more thing, I hope Rita does cheat, just so it makes her not feel like she is better than Dexter, and that she really is nothing more than a great big, holy than thou hypocrite

[die]

I wonder why Trinity never questioned Kyle Butler's choice of gloves.

"Hey, thanks for saving my life and all, but what's with the skintight rape gloves you had on?"

[Darth Caedus]

One more thing, I hope Rita does cheat, just so it makes her not feel like she is better than Dexter, and that she really is nothing more than a great big, holy than thou hypocrite

Remember, she lied about being married twice before.......she's shady

I wonder why Trinity never questioned Kyle Butler's choice of gloves.

"Hey, thanks for saving my life and all, but what's with the skintight rape gloves you had on?"

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol I was thinking the SAME thing.....

[die]

Didn't he have those gloves on when Rita saw him busting out the security lights next door?

I know if I walked around with those things on I'd get strange looks and lots of questions.

[Seditionary]

I was wondering where his needle ended up, honestly. Between that neighbor guy and Masuka telling Quinn about Lila things are looking to get worse before they get better. I'm still waiting to hear about Rita's first husband. Honestly...I'm not really excited for more marriage drama on this show.

[Darklord Dave]

Yea, I laughed about the reporter being the shooter - but that certainly seems to be where they're going.

I like how they keep spinning Trinity in different directions - his true psychosis is in direct contrast to Dexter's controlled sociopathology. The preview from next week looks intriguing and we see that Trinity isn't the perfect dad that Dexter thinks he is.

[Colossus]

One more thing, I hope Rita does cheat, just so it makes her not feel like she is better than Dexter, and that she really is nothing more than a great big, holy than thou hypocrite

I agree DL, people like her really need to be taught a serious lesson, Have Deb catch her and jack her up

[DinoDB1975]

Yea, I laughed about the reporter being the shooter - but that certainly seems to be where they're going.

I like how they keep spinning Trinity in different directions - his true psychosis is in direct contrast to Dexter's controlled sociopathology. The preview from next week looks intriguing and we see that Trinity isn't the perfect dad that Dexter thinks he is.

Yeah, I don't like that spin either...and it'll be too convenient if she ends up being Trinity's next victim as alluded to in the previews. That said, I'm glad they stuck to their guns and didn't make Trinity the shooter. It would have been better off if the Vacation Killers were the shooters with a wrong place, wrong time/random act of violence spin.

[DinoLast]

I'm going to put my cards on the table.
Trinity's son is the shooter.
Right height
Controlled by his father
He is the Son of a serial killer.
Dexter is worried that his son will follow in his foot steps, seeing how Trinity's son has turned out could heighten Dexter's fears

[Colossus]

I'm going to put my cards on the table.
Trinity's son is the shooter.
Right height
Controlled by his father
He is the Son of a serial killer.
Dexter is worried that his son will follow in his foot steps, seeing how Trinity's son has turned out could heighten Dexter's fears

Thats a sound Theroy DL, if the son thinks dad can get away with it then why can't I and there is that nagging fear Dexter has about his son

[Darklord Dave]

Hmm, the son does make sense - he KNOWS his father is the serial killer and goes after Lundy after the article comes out.

However that doesn't sit with the preview for next week - "you should have let him die!"

And what's with all the Rita hate? Perhaps the fact that I LOVE Julie Benz has undue influence, but I don't get where the hate is coming from.

[-jay-]

And what's with all the Rita hate? Perhaps the fact that I LOVE Julie Benz has undue influence, but I don't get where the hate is coming from.

Same here i think she's fine. :confused:

[DinoLast]

Hmm, the son does make sense - he KNOWS his father is the serial killer and goes after Lundy after the article comes out.

However that doesn't sit with the preview for next week - "you should have let him die!"

And what's with all the Rita hate? Perhaps the fact that I LOVE Julie Benz has undue influence, but I don't get where the hate is coming from.

Same here i think she's fine. :confused:

He also said he was the best dad in the world. I think Trinity's perfect life is showing massive cracks for Dexter now. We might even find out that Trinity is mentoring his son, it's would seem to be like the Harry/Dexter relationship, but with the intentions of it having a darker outcome.
If I'm wrong and it turns out to be the reporter, then going by the preview, she could be Trinity's daughter from a previous relationship
and is protecting him by getting a job as a reporter. I know that one is pretty out there, but you never know with this show. That's why i'm a massive fan.
And don't get me wrong Julie Benz is gorgeous, but the character of Rita needs to get off her high horse.

[die]

So does everybody feel that it's gotta be either the reporter chick or Trinity's son?

[DinoDB1975]

Yeah, those are the only two choices. The shooter is said to be about Matsuka's height (for some reason I think they said the shooter was about 5'4'...did they state that or am I imagining things?).

It would be total BS to introduce a new character this late into the season, and would reek of deus ex machina if they did.

[Devil_666]

As much as I thought that the reporter being the shooter was impossible, now I agree with that theory.

[Colossus]

Oh I don't hate her, her character is annoying and a pain, Julie Benz is a Sexy Woman :naughty

[die]

Julie Benz is hot!

I think in Seasons 1 & 2 she was so very important to Dexter becoming more human. In Seasons 3 & 4 she's just not as important as the other things happening to Dexter on his road to becoming more human.

The Problem: They've taken the soft-spoken self-conscious damaged Rita that we used to like and turned her into a nagging high-maintainance desperate housewife.

[El Skutto]

He also said he was the best dad in the world. I think Trinity's perfect life is showing massive cracks for Dexter now. We might even find out that Trinity is mentoring his son, it's would seem to be like the Harry/Dexter relationship, but with the intentions of it having a darker outcome.
If I'm wrong and it turns out to be the reporter, then going by the preview, she could be Trinity's daughter from a previous relationship
and is protecting him by getting a job as a reporter. I know that one is pretty out there, but you never know with this show. That's why i'm a massive fan.
And don't get me wrong Julie Benz is gorgeous, but the character of Rita needs to get off her high horse.

I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to suspect that the Trinity killings and Lundy's murder are connected. That's the mistake the police are making, when they really should be looking at them as separate incidents.

If the reporter's guilty, then she's doing it purely for self-promotion.

[DinoLast]

I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to suspect that the Trinity killings and Lundy's murder are connected. That's the mistake the police are making, when they really should be looking at them as separate incidents.

If the reporter's guilty, then she's doing it purely for self-promotion.

I just think it's interesting that Trinity knows where the reporter lives.

[El Skutto]

I just think it's interesting that Trinity knows where the reporter lives.

Wait, maybe I missed something. How do we know this?

[Darth Caedus]

I just think it's interesting that Trinity knows where the reporter lives.

Well, he saw her name on the article, so I don't think it would be too difficult to track her down

[DinoDB1975]

Wait, maybe I missed something. How do we know this?

Preview for next week's episode shows her opening the door to her place and Trinity's at the door. She has a look of trepidation/fear that's intriguing. She shouldn't know who Trinity is, so why does she have that expression on her face?

[Darth Caedus]

Preview for next week's episode shows her opening the door to her place and Trinity's at the door. She has a look of trepidation/fear that's intriguing. She shouldn't know who Trinity is, so why does she have that expression on her face?

He did have a really creepy look on his face when she opened the door. If he looked at me like that, I think I would be aprehensive myself...

[El Skutto]

Preview for next week's episode shows her opening the door to her place and Trinity's at the door. She has a look of trepidation/fear that's intriguing. She shouldn't know who Trinity is, so why does she have that expression on her face?

Ah. We don't get the previews for upcoming episodes up here; the show is broadcast by the Movie Network as we don't have Showtime.

It's entirely possible that Trinity will be going after her specifically because she killed Lundy. Some psychological theories postulate that sociopaths unconsciously want to get captured or punished, which is why they leave clues behind, sometimes even without realizing it.

From his encounter with Lundy, it looked like Trinity actually recognized that this could be the man to finally punish him for his crimes, so the fact that he was murdered ruined his chance at getting the punishment he feels he deserves. So, he goes after Lundy's killer for interfering with his plan.

Meh, it's a theory.

[die]

Trinity looked very angry when Christine opened the door. There are probably a dozen different possibilities of where that one is really going. There's a possibility he could be angry at her for interfering with a masterplan he has or they could have some personal history that will come out of it or it may be something completely different. The show can be so misleading with the previews, you just never know.

Speaking of misleading, Rita probably won't actually kiss the neighbor. Looks like they cut the clip short right before she pulls away...but then again, maybe not.:monkey4

[Devil_666]

WHOA!! Didn't see that coming.

[die]

Crazy episode! :horror

[CelticPredator]

IN****inTENSE.

[Devil_666]

Father of the year. :lol

So.. should we start calling the "Trinity Killer" the "Quatro Killer" now!? :monkey3

[barryo]

great episode and definitely didnt see that one coming.

[Bustajesse]

That was an amazing episode. Dexter needs to kill that dude NOW!

[SwedishHeat]

haha, I did a triple take at the end. It took me like two seconds to register what she said.

So, that definitely gives her the motive to kill Lundy, not only to give her a story but to protect her father. Now, is Christine really Vera, or is she a daughter from a previous relationship?? I don't think the timeline would work out for her to be Vera.

[Darklord Dave]

Vera was Trinity's older sister.

Definitely didn't see this coming.

The family was almost over the top - how creepy was the mom - "I don't care what you did to Rebecca, or what you intend to do to her..."

But Dexter's reaction was fantastic- he really does care about people it would seem.

[-jay-]

That was awesome i can't believe the ending what a fantastic show this is.

[-jay-]

Oh yeah is Dexter on next week? i can't see it listed on Tv.com.

[DinoLast]

He also said he was the best dad in the world. I think Trinity's perfect life is showing massive cracks for Dexter now. We might even find out that Trinity is mentoring his son, it's would seem to be like the Harry/Dexter relationship, but with the intentions of it having a darker outcome.
If I'm wrong and it turns out to be the reporter, then going by the preview, she could be Trinity's daughter from a previous relationship
and is protecting him by getting a job as a reporter. I know that one is pretty out there, but you never know with this show..

Well, I was wrong about the son, but
:banana:banana:banana
As I said before you never know

This season is amazing. When Dexter attacked Trinity I was like holy ????!!!!!

OMG, the reporter knows Dexter.
I think his cover is blown

[DinoLast]

Has anybody been watching Early Cuts?
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[DinoDB1975]

Great episode last night, with the true insight into Trinity's family and that bombshell at the end.

Wonder how the fourth kill ties in with Trinity's family...

[Seditionary]

Great episode last night, with the true insight into Trinity's family and that bombshell at the end.

Wonder how the fourth kill ties in with Trinity's family...

Maybe I'm just missing something. What fourth kill are you referring to?

[DinoLast]

Maybe I'm just missing something. What fourth kill are you referring to?

I think he means Lundy

[ShaneX]

Trinity is definetly one of Dex's most formidable opponents. Last nights episode, "Hungry Man" was just intense throughout. Especially when Dexter whips out his belt and chokes Arthur down. "Get the F#$% off of him!" And how could we forget "I should of F@#$%$# killed you when I had the chance!!!!" Just one intense moment. Even Trinity was afraid. What I did'nt understand was why did Trinity's daughter and mother run and hug him at the end. Can anyone clarify?........

[ShaneX]

Also, its surprising that Quin's girlfriend (her name just slipped out of my mind) is Trinity's daughter. Was not expecting that

[DinoDB1975]

Maybe I'm just missing something. What fourth kill are you referring to?

It was referred to in the previews for next week's episode.

Sorry, something along this was also questioned in a previous post I did as well and the questioner replied that they don't get the previews of the next episode on the network they see Dexter on.

My apologies if I gave things away, I'll put it in a spoiler.

The previews for next week's episode show Trinity talking about a fourth kill. The difference is, this fourth kill isn't a "public" kill, the victim is buried in a shallow grave. Watched the previews at the end of the latest episode late last night, so I may be wrong or may have misinterpreted it, but I'll re-watch it tonight to confirm

[DinoLast]

Trinity is definetly one of Dex's most formidable opponents. Last nights episode, "Hungry Man" was just intense throughout. Especially when Dexter whips out his belt and chokes Arthur down. "Get the F#$% off of him!" And how could we forget "I should of F@#$%$# killed you when I had the chance!!!!" Just one intense moment. Even Trinity was afraid. What I did'nt understand was why did Trinity's daughter and mother run and hug him at the end. Can anyone clarify?........

It's called Battered Woman Syndrome/ Battered Person Syndrome, sometimes referred to as the Victim Syndrome

[Devil_666]

The previews for next week's episode show Trinity talking about a fourth kill. The difference is, this fourth kill isn't a "public" kill, the victim is buried in a shallow grave. Watched the previews at the end of the latest episode late last night, so I may be wrong or may have misinterpreted it, but I'll re-watch it tonight to confirm

Yup. AND..

Looks like Dexter finds the burial site in the next episode. My theory: Since each kill is supposed to represent a family member of Arthur's.

Girl bleeding to death in the tub = His Sister.
Woman jumping from a building = His Mom.
Man bludgeoned to death = His Dad.

So this new 4th kill that's not public IMO = A Child. Maybe to represent the death of "Arthur" when all of this originally happened. Or just in general I believe that non-public killing is a child.

Reason why I think this is, when Dexter opens up the grave chamber (from next weeks preview) he looks sickened and shocked. Only thing I could think of that would trigger that type of response would be seeing dead children. Just my theory. :)

[mattman6886]

GREAT GREAT episode :rock

[hairlesswookiee]

Awesome episode and loved when Dexter had to choke him with his belt. That scene was really intense...especially the ferocity in his face as he told him he should've killed him.
~~I wasn't that surprised that Quinn's GF is the daughter.

[Seditionary]

I expected quinn's girlfriend all along but even I didn't think she was related to trinity. that blew my mind a bit. This whole episode was crazy.

Thanks for clearing up that fourth kill thing, Dino. It's just the way I watch the show there is never a next week preview on it.

Also, I can't wait for dexter to kill this son of a ?????...and his daughter. Deb is really working things out though...in this case she knows more than dexter does.

I have a feeling the end of this season is going to put quinn, deb, and dexter in a very interesting connection.

Also, Masuka is one of the best character's on this show. I'm curious to see how his knowledge of rita and elliot pans out.

[DinoLast]

I just saw the preview
Maybe the Trinity killer name is inappropriate as he kills in fours?
The coffin could be the start of a new cycle.

I also said the Reporter could be the daughter.
Fair enough I had about 20 guesses who Lundy's killer is but,
Come on guys, give me some credit :lol

[-jay-]

I just saw the preview


I also said the Reporter could be the daughter.
Fair enough I had about 20 guesses who Lundy's killer is but,
Come on guys, give me some credit :lol

Nope sorry we have to take your first guess. :lol ;)

[DinoLast]

Nope sorry we have to take your first guess. :lol ;)

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[hairlesswookiee]

Also, Masuka is one of the best character's on this show. I'm curious to see how his knowledge of rita and elliot pans out.

I know!! Its great that the show if showing that he's actually a good guy with the way he's been treating Deb lately.

[die]

We still aren't 100% sure that the reporter is the shooter though, right? All that was revealed is that she's the daughter of the Trinity Killer.

Anybody notice...

-That the coffin looked too small for Trinity to fit in. He's like what, 6'4 250?

-Jonah called Arthur a "killer". Metaphorical or...

-Batista and Maria having a tender death foreshadowing type moment?

[hairlesswookiee]

-Jonah called Arthur a "killer". Metaphorical or..

Oh I think he meant literally, but caught himself because he realized Dexter was there. I might be wrong though, who knows.

[DinoDB1975]

We still aren't 100% sure that the reporter is the shooter though, right? All that was revealed is that she's the daughter of the Trinity Killer

Correct. All we know is that the shooter is approximately 5'4", based on Masouka's estimate.

All signs point to Christine, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. Again, from next week's preview...

Christine is brought in for questioning and she's being grilled by Deb. Another scene shows her in a car on the phone saying "Daddy, I think I'm in trouble..." which struck me as weird, saying "I think I'm in trouble" vs. "I am in trouble". It may seem like a small detail that I am interpreting, but remember, the show is full of nuances and details that lead to other revelations, such as the quizzical look on Lundy's face before he and Deb were shot, as well as the look on Christine's face when she opened the door to Trinity...how would have known she would say "Hi daddy"?

[Seditionary]

But how would Christine know that Deb was looking into Lundy's eyes as he died? The only other person that would know that would be the shooter, or an accomplice. And the only accomplice she could reasonably have at the moment is Trinity who is not 5'4."

You never know with this show.

[DinoLast]

Correct. All we know is that the shooter is approximately 5'4", based on Masouka's estimate.

All signs point to Christine, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. Again, from next week's preview...

Christine is brought in for questioning and she's being grilled by Deb. Another scene shows her in a car on the phone saying "Daddy, I think I'm in trouble..." which struck me as weird, saying "I think I'm in trouble" vs. "I am in trouble". It may seem like a small detail that I am interpreting, but remember, the show is full of nuances and details that lead to other revelations, such as the quizzical look on Lundy's face before he and Deb were shot, as well as the look on Christine's face when she opened the door to Trinity...how would have known she would say "Hi daddy"?

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[El Skutto]

Well, I think it's obvious that Christine shot Lundy and Deb - she pretty much confessed to being there as Lundy was breathing his last. She's also the right height, so I think that little mystery is totally solved.

As for the son calling Arthur a "killer", he seemed to quantify the statement immediately after, saying that he was slowly choking the life out of his family members, bit by bit. I don't think it's an indication that the son is aware of his dad's extracurricular activities, although his choice of words was ironic.

And when Lundy reacted the way he did, he had been interviewed by Christine shortly before the shooting, so he definitely recognized her from their meeting. Seeing her draw a gun is probably what made him furrow his brow, like "why is Lance Bass wearing a wig and packing heat?"

Then again, I could be completely wrong. I was right about the reporter being the shooter, but way off as to her motive.

[El Skutto]

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No offense Dino, but naming pretty much every character in the show as a potential shooter and offspring of Trinity's pretty much guarantees that one of your guesses would have panned out eventually. :D

[DinoLast]

No offense Dino, but naming pretty much every character in the show as a potential shooter and offspring of Trinity's pretty much guarantees that one of your guesses would have panned out eventually. :D

Just wait until you find out that the neighbour bumped off his wife.
Then I will get some respect around here :lol

[Colossus]

I really enjoyed this episode, It had it's revelations to questions, for me the best part is when he had Trinity on the kitchen floor with the Knife behind his back and said I should have Killed you a long time ago the look on Trinity's face Priceless, Next week looks Good also.

[Darklord Dave]

So Deb is a sister and Rita is mother with 2 kids (okay 3, but could fit) - perhaps Trinity and his daughter will come after Dexter's family?

[Seditionary]

As for the son calling Arthur a "killer", he seemed to quantify the statement immediately after, saying that he was slowly choking the life out of his family members, bit by bit. I don't think it's an indication that the son is aware of his dad's extracurricular activities, although his choice of words was ironic.


maybe...but he was throwing all the plaques on the ground which are Arthur's "trophies." I think that is an indication he knows. After all, He locks his daughter away, and beats his son...I'm sure there could be weirder things going on.

Also how about that see you next tuesday bomb he called his wife during thanksgiving dinner. That was rough.

[El Skutto]

So Deb is a sister and Rita is mother with 2 kids (okay 3, but could fit) - perhaps Trinity and his daughter will come after Dexter's family?

I'll buy that theory. My guess is that Christine will identify Dexter as Deb's brother, giving Arthur all the information he needs to make Dexter's life a living hell.

[El Skutto]

maybe...but he was throwing all the plaques on the ground which are Arthur's "trophies." I think that is an indication he knows. After all, He locks his daughter away, and beats his son...I'm sure there could be weirder things going on.

Also how about that see you next tuesday bomb he called his wife during thanksgiving dinner. That was rough.

But then that would mean that his family members are choosing not to report his crimes, which is a crime in itself. They'd be as guilty as Trinity if they failed to report their knowledge of his murderous "other" life. I believe they live in fear of Arthur, but doubt they condone, or turn a blind eye to his murders.

The son's referral to Arthur's "trophies" may have been just that - it's obvious that Arthur values his work with Habitat for Humanity; so much so that he leaves his family for days and weeks on end to go build houses around the world. It stands to reason that he then affixes his plaques to the wall with a certain sense of pride, and I would guess that any discussion regarding taking them down, or putting them up in a different location is simply not permitted. So they are, in effect, "trophies" of his accomplishments with Habitat for Humanity. I doubt the son realizes they actually have a double-meaning for his father.

[Darklord Dave]

I don't see the son attacking the plaques as a sign he knows, just that the whole area with Vera's ashes are a trophy case for Arthur and destroying that is the only way to hurt him. Just like beating up the car was his way of hurting him.