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Puay
09-20-2008, 12:31 AM
We have yet to see any Star Wars character to appear on the new Prometheus body.

Who is most suitable? I would think of the remaining unreleased characters like Jango Fett, TPM Kenobi or Count Dooku. The more action orientated ones.

I am concern whether will the Prometheus look out of place standing next to the majority of Buck figures in our collection?

automaton
09-20-2008, 12:45 AM
Boba or Jango would be a great start.

abstractharmony
09-20-2008, 01:42 AM
Boba or Jango would be a great start.

I'd rather that they all stay on the buck for uniformity.

Puay
09-20-2008, 01:45 AM
I'd rather that they all stay on the buck for uniformity.

That is what I am hoping for when SSC releases TPM Kenobi, considering the fact that he will be fighting Maul along side Qui-Gon which are both on Bucks.

toystales
09-20-2008, 03:10 AM
We seriously need some Sith Lords!

If say SS releases a new SW figure on the Pro body, I will replace that figure's body with the Buck and use the Pro body for my SS Sith Anakin or Jedi Anakin. :)

Dr.FeelGood
09-20-2008, 04:03 AM
personally i'd love to see the Prom released like they did the Buck, then i'd buy a truckload and swap out the bodies :P

Puay
09-20-2008, 04:32 AM
personally i'd love to see the Prom released like they did the Buck, then i'd buy a truckload and swap out the bodies :P

If thats the case, Sideshow would need the Prom to have adjustable height.

Rook
09-20-2008, 04:35 AM
Doubt we see Boba or Jango on the Pro, as they'll have to be on the armored figure body.

Didn't someone say that Sideshow created the Pro with G.I. Joe in mind? :confused: Makes me wonder if we even will see a Prometheus-based SW figure.

Puay
09-20-2008, 04:48 AM
Doubt we see Boba or Jango on the Pro, as they'll have to be on the armored figure body.

Didn't someone say that Sideshow created the Pro with G.I. Joe in mind? :confused: Makes me wonder if we even will see a Prometheus-based SW figure.

I feel military figures do not work well on the Buck. Posture like holding a weapon close to the chest is not achievable with a Buck. This is quite visible in comparison with a standard HT figure. It does make good sense that the more flexible Pro is created with G.I. Joe in mind.

Rook
09-20-2008, 04:53 AM
I agree with that. And I've only recently started picking up figures from Medicom and Hot Toys, so I'm finally understanding why people feel that the Buck is inferior.

Assuming that the Pro is in the same vein as figures from Hot Toys (as they helped to design it), I'd love to see any and all future Star Wars figs released on the Pro (and, of course, the new armored body when appropriate). As it is, I'm seriously considering canceling such figures as Ki-Adi-Mundi and Captain Antilles.

Or, better yet: After finally opening my eyes and experiencing the competition, the Buck stops here. :lol

pixletwin
09-20-2008, 06:53 AM
I'd rather that they all stay on the buck for uniformity.

:lol :lol :lol



wait, you were joking weren't you.. :dunno

MaulFan
09-20-2008, 06:57 AM
I'd say the first Pro Star Wars figure will be one that's been under development for a short period, once the Pro was ready, and a character of importance with a high ES. Since the unveiling of the new body, we've only had low ES background characters and armored important ones. It'll be a Luke or Han or Obi-Wan or Anakin, someone like that where SSC will feel the added cost of the alternate body won't bother collectors. They'll have enough troubles selling Ki-Adi, Fleet Trooper and Captain Antilles at $70 on a Buck, if those guys were like $90 on the Pro, far less folks would be buying them. $90 Obi-Wan Kenobi on a pro from Episode 1 will sell very well.

lerath666
09-20-2008, 07:14 AM
I'm not so sure I agree with that Maulfan, I think that if Ki, The fleet troop, and the good captian had been on the Pro, MORE people would be interested. Many people are saying they are not buying into the star wars line at the moment BECUASE of the buck. Just my 0.02$ though.

MaulFan
09-20-2008, 07:22 AM
Well, I know the Buck is a deterring factor, but I imagine those background guys would also cost more on the Pro. I think folks griping about the Buck on them want to see them as $70 Pro figures, which I don't think would be the case, I think they're down at $70 because of the Buck.

The strange thing is Belloq being a Pro figure, it makes no sense with him unless they felt his costume would look best on the Pro, hard to say, but it definitely isn't poseability or anything, in that regard he'd be fine on a Buck.

I'm betting the next, non-armored important character SSC debuts a 1/6 for is on the Pro, except if it's Tarkin, I'm sure he'll be on a Buck, which is ok, they've already got an Imperial uniform pattern to fit the Buck.

lerath666
09-20-2008, 10:21 AM
Could be either. But the reason that I think they put Belloq on the pro, Is I'll wager it is theri intent to put the entire indy line on the Pro body.

chilipep66
09-20-2008, 11:15 AM
this may be a stupid question, but, what will the difference be in this new body? and are there any figures using it right now?

The Mike
09-20-2008, 05:03 PM
What you have to remember is that the Pro premiered and most figures that will be on it have been delayed or are still a good ways off. What that means is that the figures we are seeing from a high figure release section like Star Wars have been in works for so long that they weren't planned for the Pro. I guarantee you that once the "cashe" of figures that are already sitting in the pipeline to continue revenue are gone then you'll see all the releases on the Pro. The Indiana Jones line is stagnant and doesn't look to be picking up anytime soon and it doesn't help that they are on the Pro. They can't afford for Star Wars figures, a huge cash cow without argument, to be delayed or bottlenecked by issues with the Pro.

D. Martin
09-20-2008, 08:57 PM
Technically, Vader is the first SW figure with the Prometheus. Granted, it is a scaled up version of the body made specifically for Vader figures. Since they made it though, I'm sure we'll see it on other figures as well.

MaulFan
09-20-2008, 09:01 PM
Technically, Vader is the first SW figure with the Prometheus. Granted, it is a scaled up version of the body made specifically for Vader figures. Since they made it though, I'm sure we'll see it on other figures as well.

Sideshow said Vader is the armor body modified for Vader, not the Pro.

The Craw
09-21-2008, 12:12 AM
SW will always have the buck. GI joe will have the pro, methinks.

OSCORP
09-21-2008, 07:31 AM
SW will always have the buck. GI joe will have the pro, methinks.

I'm kinda thinkin the same thing. And it's pretty much BS considering the price hike.

The Craw
09-21-2008, 12:59 PM
I'm kinda thinkin the same thing. And it's pretty much BS considering the price hike.personally id like to see this prometheus body in hand before i make any judgments. everybody is saying how great it is but nobody's actually "played" with one. who's to say it doesnt have the same flaws as any other body. SS made those new hobbit bodies and they arent perfect. loose joints everywhere, which is my biggest turn off when it comes to figure bodies. that is my number one gripe with the buck. too many loose joints. if the pro body is gonna be riddled with loose joints then i wont be impressed.

OSCORP
09-21-2008, 03:26 PM
I think the hobbit body is a case to case thing. At a comic shop near here i saw frodo and sam on display and checked em out and both of the joints were a lot tighter than my frodo.

The pro can't be any worse than the buck, and should rival the HT body. And even if it don't it will still be better than the buck lol.

Puay
09-22-2008, 12:34 AM
this may be a stupid question, but, what will the difference be in this new body? and are there any figures using it right now?

The first figure on the new body is Indy, the estimate shipping date is published on the Sideshow website, I think its about 2 months time.

Since no one has the figure yet, we don't really know the difference in detail. You can check out the image of the Prometheus at the Sideshow website though.:rolleyes:

Puay
09-22-2008, 01:02 AM
One thing I don't quite understand though. Why is there a price gap between the Buck and the Prometheus?

Assuming both are made of the same material but simply produced with a difference mold. I don't really see the Prometheus using up more material.

I wonder is the manufacturing process more complicated with the Prometheus?

IrishJedi
09-22-2008, 07:49 AM
One thing I don't quite understand though. Why is there a price gap between the Buck and the Prometheus?

Assuming both are made of the same material but simply produced with a difference mold. I don't really see the Prometheus using up more material.

I wonder is the manufacturing process more complicated with the Prometheus?

Some companies are kind enough to pass their R&D costs onto the consumer. :duh

And if the SW line continues to use the Buck for all non-armored characters, I'll soon be out of it entirely for good. And will probably sell off many of those I have. I refuse to pay modern prices for a painfully outdated figure.

Puay
09-22-2008, 08:28 AM
Some companies are kind enough to pass their R&D costs onto the consumer. :duh

And if the SW line continues to use the Buck for all non-armored characters, I'll soon be out of it entirely for good. And will probably sell off many of those I have. I refuse to pay modern prices for a painfully outdated figure.

Speaking of R&D. Wouldn't Sideshow be having an easier job by studying what's readily available with the HT and Medicom bodies.:rolleyes:

And to be better than them? Hah.

Shalamar
09-22-2008, 09:39 AM
Speaking of R&D. Wouldn't Sideshow be having an easier job by studying what's readily available with the HT and Medicom bodies.:rolleyes:

And to be better than them? Hah.

Licensing Fees. That would be why Sideshow would make their own body. It gives them mroe control over the figures, the ability to freely make adjustments and tweaks sine they 'own' the body. an outsourced body would come with licensing fees more than likely, and if they need something special, it can be difficult or impossible if the owning company isn't interested in making the requested changes.

As well, with Sideshow having their own bodies, they could potentially license the pro out to other companies, if they are interested.

An 'In House' body could also show to various licenses (Star Wars, GI-Joe, etc etc) that Sideshos is VERY serious about the 12" line.

MaulFan
09-22-2008, 09:44 AM
I can't imagine a conscious decision to only use newer bodies in the SW line where absolutely unavoidable like armor, it's just not smart. If they put out GI Joe and Indy figures with a new body, and the new body really turns out as great as we hope, and the SW line never sees use of it, it'll piss off all the collector's of the Star Wars line and be a total reversal of things. Right now, it's obvious, SW gets the most 1/6 attention and care from SSC, numbers alone tells ya that, but if the body situation turned out that way, it'd look like they don't give a ^^^^ about the SW line or the quality of figures and it'll turn folks off, they're not going to do that. I firmly believe we're still seeing the Buck because we haven't gotten anyone important in the line since the Pro's announcement. To some extent I understand the comments about backlog, but Obi-Wan and Indy were made for Buck's and had their heads modified for the armor and Pro bodies, SSC will update backlog pieces where suited.

Offering up background characters for the die hards at the lowest prices keeps them happy, and then putting the important figures on the newer bodies makes everyone happy. Really, if you're that into SW to buy a Captain Antilles or Rebel Fleet Trooper, you're probably in a mindset where the base body for them is irrellevant to you.

thenammagazine
09-22-2008, 11:32 AM
I'd say the first Pro Star Wars figure will be one that's been under development for a short period, once the Pro was ready, and a character of importance with a high ES. Since the unveiling of the new body, we've only had low ES background characters and armored important ones. It'll be a Luke or Han or Obi-Wan or Anakin, someone like that where SSC will feel the added cost of the alternate body won't bother collectors. They'll have enough troubles selling Ki-Adi, Fleet Trooper and Captain Antilles at $70 on a Buck, if those guys were like $90 on the Pro, far less folks would be buying them. $90 Obi-Wan Kenobi on a pro from Episode 1 will sell very well.

That's just it. Ki-Adi Mundi, and the Fleet Trooper have both Wait Listed. So will Captain Antilles given enough time. Even given the recent price hike, they'll sell well. I remember hearing similar statements about Aayla Secura and Commander Praji. Both are sold out.


Well, I know the Buck is a deterring factor, but I imagine those background guys would also cost more on the Pro. I think folks griping about the Buck on them want to see them as $70 Pro figures, which I don't think would be the case, I think they're down at $70 because of the Buck.

The strange thing is Belloq being a Pro figure, it makes no sense with him unless they felt his costume would look best on the Pro, hard to say, but it definitely isn't poseability or anything, in that regard he'd be fine on a Buck.

I'm thinking this is to maintain consistency throughout the line. With Indy using the Pro, it'd be odd to have that action figure standing next to someone on a Buck. This decision confirms, to me anyway, that there must be a definite difference between the two, Buck and Pro. If it's significant enough to put a Belloq on it. Using this rational, I think it's safe to say that we'll see Bucks for the remainder of the SW non-armored lines. Which, for consistency's sake, is fine by me.

As for pissing off Star Wars fans, Sideshow does that with EVERY release. People whined about not getting a Vader, then when they do, they whine about it being the ANH version and/or not having a pointing finger, or the choking hand not looking wide enough :rolleyes:. I remember all the complaints about Praji. REAL HATE! :rotfl "Why would you make some insignificant character who has less than 10 seconds of screen time?!" Then it was like, "WTF?! He sold out before I bought one!" They whined about Sideshow making Aayla, but she's since sold out. Same with Ki-Adi-Mundi. "Why waste time on PT figures nobody's gonna buy?!" Yet, again, they've since sold out (and I suspect the Wait Lists will close with few being granted). It really won't matter what body they put the non-armored figures on. For every person who stops buying one, two will rise to the occasion. Star Wars fans are probably the most hating fans of all... but they're also the most loyal.

JustinLuck
09-22-2008, 07:24 PM
First of all, the Buck is every bit as complicated to manufacture. In fact, it is a more complicated design than the Hot Toys True Type. Cut both into pieces to find the inner workings and you will see the difference.

Secondly, Hot Toys still releases figures like TDK Joker with necks. There is no reason why Sideshow can't do the same for figures that will look better with detailed cervices.

toystales
09-22-2008, 09:29 PM
As for pissing off Star Wars fans, Sideshow does that with EVERY release. People whined about not getting a Vader, then when they do, they whine about it being the ANH version and/or not having a pointing finger, or the choking hand not looking wide enough :rolleyes:. I remember all the complaints about Praji. REAL HATE! :rotfl "Why would you make some insignificant character who has less than 10 seconds of screen time?!" Then it was like, "WTF?! He sold out before I bought one!" They whined about Sideshow making Aayla, but she's since sold out. Same with Ki-Adi-Mundi. "Why waste time on PT figures nobody's gonna buy?!" Yet, again, they've since sold out (and I suspect the Wait Lists will close with few being granted). It really won't matter what body they put the non-armored figures on. For every person who stops buying one, two will rise to the occasion. Star Wars fans are probably the most hating fans of all... but they're also the most loyal.

I have to agree with you on that. Star Wars fans whine about almost everything but they also buy everything that the manufacturers dish out.

Puay
09-23-2008, 12:28 AM
Offering up background characters for the die hards at the lowest prices keeps them happy, and then putting the important figures on the newer bodies makes everyone happy.

I too feel this is the best way out.


Hot Toys still releases figures like TDK Joker with necks. There is no reason why Sideshow can't do the same for figures that will look better with detailed cervices.

When head sculpt on the Prometheus comes with the neck on a single piece ( unlike Indy where there is a joint ) , I feel that would better blend into our existing collection of male Bucks.

EVILFACE
09-23-2008, 12:54 AM
I think the nobody figures like the troopers are fine on the buck.

Being on a Pro isn't going to make me buy a Captain Antilles or a Fleet Trooper.

arnax161
09-23-2008, 08:10 PM
BOBA FETT on on Prometheus body would RUUUULLLLLEEEE. A Biker Scout or Snow Trooper wouldn't be so shabby either. Here's my custom Hasbro/Dragon/Sideshow Snow Trooper. It sucks, but it must do for now.:emperor

thenammagazine
09-23-2008, 09:32 PM
BOBA FETT on on Prometheus body would RUUUULLLLLEEEE. A Biker Scout or Snow Trooper wouldn't be so shabby either. Here's my custom Hasbro/Dragon/Sideshow Snow Trooper. It sucks, but it must do for now.:emperor

Boba won't be on the Pro, he'll be on the SS/HT body, so will the scout and the snow trooper.

EVILFACE
09-23-2008, 09:42 PM
Boba won't be on the Pro, he'll be on the SS/HT body, so will the scout and the snow trooper.

Why would he? He is not covered in armor like a Stromtrooper. He really sint a armored character, just a few pieces. Pro would be find for him.

devilof76
09-23-2008, 11:19 PM
Stormtroopers, clones and protocol droids (including 4-LOM) are the only characters who would need the armored body.

thenammagazine
09-24-2008, 10:44 AM
Why would he? He is not covered in armor like a Stromtrooper. He really sint a armored character, just a few pieces. Pro would be find for him.

I agree. But at the same time, Vader also falls into that category too. He has considerably LESS armor than Boba. His only armor really being the shoulder pads and the codpiece. They could've used the large Buck (Freddy vs. Jason's Jason) just as easily. But they didn't. Boba has his whole torso covered, shoulders, forearms, and knees too. So the armored body would do wonders to keep the "bulk" to a minimum and still have the character looking natural and not like some Wookie in Mando armor. I think I remember an "ask Sideshow" where fans were asking them why Boba and Vader hadn't yet been made and their reply was that the new armor bodies were in development.

Puay
09-25-2008, 12:12 AM
They could've used the large Buck (Freddy vs. Jason's Jason) just as easily. But they didn't. Boba has his whole torso covered, shoulders, forearms, and knees too. So the armored body would do wonders to keep the "bulk" to a minimum and still have the character looking natural and not like some Wookie in Mando armor. I think I remember an "ask Sideshow" where fans were asking them why Boba and Vader hadn't yet been made and their reply was that the new armor bodies were in development.

Its understandable why Sideshow put in their best effort for Vader, considering the important of such a figure to fans.

Imperial troopers that I would love to see turning up on a Prometheus are Snow Troopers and Fighter pilots.

devilof76
09-25-2008, 12:57 AM
I think I remember an "ask Sideshow" where fans were asking them why Boba and Vader hadn't yet been made and their reply was that the new armor bodies were in development.

Oh yeah. And they made a comment about Dengar too.

Puay
09-25-2008, 01:07 AM
Oh yeah. And they made a comment about Dengar too.

For that they would need a fat man version of the Prometheus.

thenammagazine
09-25-2008, 02:48 AM
Its understandable why Sideshow put in their best effort for Vader, considering the important of such a figure to fans.

Imperial troopers that I would love to see turning up on a Prometheus are Snow Troopers and Fighter pilots.

You missed the whole point of the argument. It's on why Boba is slated for an armored body.


For that they would need a fat man version of the Prometheus.:rolleyes:

Hey Bro, again, no Prometheus for the armored figures. They created an armor body in conjunction with Hot Toys exclusively for the armored figures.

Puay
09-25-2008, 04:53 AM
You missed the whole point of the argument. It's on why Boba is slated for an armored body.



Hey Bro, again, no Prometheus for the armored figures. They created an armor body in conjunction with Hot Toys exclusively for the armored figures.

Got it, my friend. Most importantly the Prometheus and the new armoured body got to overcome limitations of the Buck for Sideshow to stay in the 12" business .

Randy_S
09-25-2008, 10:29 AM
No more Buck, no more Buck, no more Buck, ever. I've skipped almost every release this year because I can't stand the thing, and I'm very unhappy that I do have one figure on order with that body (RFT.) I've gotten rid of quite a few figures just because it sucks so much.

Sachiel
09-25-2008, 07:20 PM
I've skipped everything because of the fabric and cruddy paintjobs on final products.

thenammagazine
09-25-2008, 09:20 PM
I've skipped everything because of the fabric and cruddy paintjobs on final products.

And that has what to do with the topic? Wrong thread?

Sachiel
09-25-2008, 10:27 PM
I meant the body doesn't suck as bad compared to Sideshow's other faults.

thenammagazine
09-26-2008, 12:17 PM
I meant the body doesn't suck as bad compared to Sideshow's other faults.

:confused:

thenammagazine
09-26-2008, 04:54 PM
No more Buck, no more Buck, no more Buck, ever. I've skipped almost every release this year because I can't stand the thing, and I'm very unhappy that I do have one figure on order with that body (RFT.) I've gotten rid of quite a few figures just because it sucks so much.

Unfortunately, yet also fortunately, I think we'll see it for the remainder of the non-armored SW line. I'd rather get the remainder on the Buck if it means they'll all look the same, then get them on the Pro and suddenly have figures that are bigger and taller than the rest of the line.

Puay
09-28-2008, 12:12 AM
Thinking back it seems Sideshow has never given any clear indication whether will the Prometheus be appearing in the SW line. Thats the very reason we are all left guessing here.

Personally I do wish to see the first figure soon.:o

lerath666
09-28-2008, 07:55 AM
Oh yeah. And they made a comment about Dengar too.


For that they would need a fat man version of the Prometheus.:rolleyes:

they also said that the dengar comment was some sort of a sideshow inside joke.


I've skipped everything because of the fabric and cruddy paintjobs on final products.


I meant the body doesn't suck as bad compared to Sideshow's other faults.
That's nice. I don't buy poly stone because it looks ugly, breaks, the paint chips and has Zero articulation. Do you skip on medicom as well because they're not in scale with any other product that's 1/6th and the Heads look mildly cartoony? OR what about hot toys and their grossly inaccuarte shoulders?
Me? I'm just glad we get ANY star wars 1/6th stuff period. could it be better? sure it could. but I don't go into threads griping that the sky is falling over it.

thenammagazine
09-28-2008, 01:20 PM
That's nice. I don't buy poly stone because it looks ugly, breaks, the paint chips and has Zero articulation. Do you skip on medicom as well because they're not in scale with any other product that's 1/6th and the Heads look mildly cartoony? OR what about hot toys and their grossly inaccuarte shoulders?
Me? I'm just glad we get ANY star wars 1/6th stuff period. could it be better? sure it could. but I don't go into threads griping that the sky is falling over it.

Yeah, you're right. Could be a LOT worse. We could still be suffering the Hasbro line. I think everyone forgets that Hasbro was nice enough to lease Sideshow the Star Wars license and because of that we've gotten really great figures and figures that could've been better, I agree, but comparatively, all of the figures in Sideshow's Star Wars line, even including those on the Buck, hands down, spank Hasbro's.

arnax161
09-29-2008, 06:43 PM
I also appreciate that Sideshow is making STAR WARS figures...The buck does have its issues, but it does lend itself to some pretty cool poses if you mess it long enough. I hope SS uses the new body in the Star Wars line besides Vader...