Expanded Scores Finally Coming In November!!

[Indiana Jones]

The first 3 Indiana Jones movies are finally getting an expanded soundtrack release (Yes even more music from Raiders) this november as part of a limited edition set:

http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1045&Itemid=1

Can't wait....:whip

[scubasteve]

Excellent. I was just about to make a post about these. :)

[IronFingaz]

NICE!!! :rock :rock :rock Another thing i'll be getting in November.

[CelticPredator]

Oh hell yes! I consider Indy to be Williams best scores.

[Deak Starkiller]

Finally Temple of Doom!

[The Ringer]

I don't think I could ever have waited that long for the extended scores to come out if I had seen the movies when they originally cam out.Thankfully I just got into the Indy craze at the begining of this year.:D

[tomandshell]

This is why I waited to buy the KOTCS soundtrack. Good news!

[IrishJedi]

Best INDY news in a long time.

:rock

[CelticPredator]

This is why I waited to buy the KOTCS soundtrack. Good news!

Its not good at all. Im glad I didnt buy it. :naughty

[jedibear]

Here's the track listing for the new edition:

RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK - EXPANDED EDITION

Release Date: October 14

01. In the Jungle
02. The Idol Temple
03. Escape from the Temple
04. Flight from Peru
05. Washington Men/Indy's Home
06. A Thought for Marion/To Nepal
07. The Medallion
08. Flight to Cairo
09. The Basket Game
10. Bad Dates
11. The Map Room/Dawn
12. Reunion in the Tent/Searching for the Well
13. The Well of the Souls
14. Indy Rides the Statue
15. The Fist Fight/The Flying Wing
16. Desert Chase
17. Marion's Theme/The Crate
18. The German Sub
19. Ride to the Nazi Hideout
20. Indy Follows the Ark
21. The Miracle of the Ark
22. Washington Ending & Raiders March

(Source: MovieMusic.com)

There was a really decent expanded edition of the ROTA score released back in '95 by a label called DDC Compact Classics...nice packaging, a 24 page booklet with liner notes, an interview with JW, photos & sketches. This version had 19 tracks ( in proper sequence) and sounds great. It was living in the player in my truck for weeks awaiting the release of KOTCS to get me hyped up...:whip

I'm looking forward to this new set...and hoping we get more details on how TOD and LC are expanded and sequenced. The only thing I wish was happening is that this set would feature an expanded edition of KOTCS as well. The current version is good, but it's a typical Williams release in that several key musical moments from the movie are combined to make complete "tracks" mostly presented out of sequence to the film and some of the music heard in the movie is omitted for the sake of making the album. The emphasis on the front end of the album is presenting the various themes that are referenced throughout the score. It makes a good listen, but for those who like the score presented in sequence to the movie and as close to complete as possible, it does miss the mark. A big example of what I would really appreciate there is the complete, in-sequence stream of music heard throughout the opening of the movie...from the Security gate all the way through Indy watching the mushroom cloud...that whole sequence just worked great and the perfect score was a big part of that.

But with this new set, it seems like we'll finally have the three classic scores presented in a more complete form than ever. Can't wait!

[MaulFan]

I like the idea of being able to buy Williams' recordings, only things I found when I went looking over the summer were covers.

[Bardoon]

I can't wait! Even though I downloaded all the themes (Oops...didn't say that) I still will pick up the Expanded Scores!!! :rock :rock :rock

[Krypto]

Oh wow! First the Superman -The Music collection and now a complete Indiana Jones collection? 2008 rocks! :rock2I can't wait to get this! I've been wanting these scores for years! Especially Temple of Doom, probably my favorite of the films.

I take it this won't be an exclusive limited deal like the Superman set and you'll be able to order this on Amazon and such?

[The Ringer]

Oh wow! First the Superman -The Music collection and now a complete Indiana Jones collection? 2008 rocks! :rock2I can't wait to get this! I've been wanting these scores for years! Especially Temple of Doom, probably my favorite of the films.

I take it this won't be an exclusive limited deal like the Superman set and you'll be able to order this on Amazon and such?

Ya I am sure this will be avaliable at most stores and sites.

[IronFingaz]

What's this about a new Superman set? A link?

[Krypto]

What's this about a new Superman set? A link?

It was released earlier this year. It's simply incredible. The music has never sounded better and the complete scores for Superman II, III, and IV, not to mention the wonderful Ron Jones music for the late 80's animated series as well as a multitude of alternate takes and even the Giorgio Moroder songs from Superman III are included. It's quite something.

http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=8874

[IronFingaz]

It was released earlier this year. It's simply incredible. The music has never sounded better and the complete scores for Superman II, III, and IV, not to mention the wonderful Ron Jones music for the late 80's animated series as well as a multitude of alternate takes and even the Giorgio Moroder songs from Superman III are included. It's quite something.

http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=8874

Thanks! That's a big-*** set :horror Got any pics of it?

[TheLostArk]

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/chris-reeve-movies5/Superman-TheMusic-01.jpg

[IronFingaz]

Thanks TLA :rock That's a pretty sweet looking box-set but is it worth the money?

[Krypto]

If you're a either Superman fan or a film score fan or both (like me), then it's a must-have.

[Krypto]

Up for pre-order on Amazon. $50! Heck of a good price for everything. Very nice packaging as well.

(Click)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510lS8h9yhL._SS500_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Jones-Soundtracks-Collection-Willilams/dp/B001G562ZU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1222342428&sr=1-3)

[Indiana Jones]

Tracklists for the first 4 cd's in the set here:

http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1047

Personally i'm looking forward to all that extra music from Temple of Doom...:gun


Edit: Just noticed Amazon now also has the tracklistings up!

[IrishJedi]

The KOTCS soundtrack isn't expanded at all. In fact, it's the exact same disc that's out now. :(

[The Josh]

NICE!!! :rock :rock :rock Another thing i'll be getting in November.

I'll ditto this my friend!! About time.

[Deak Starkiller]

Is it missing any tracks IJ?

[IrishJedi]

Is it missing any tracks IJ?

Well, the additional tracks on the first 3 appear to have a lot of the music that has been missing from official releases for years. Still, won't know for sure until I get it and give it a listen.

The KOTCS soundtrack is missing a ton of stuff, particularly the complete Jungle Chase music... which is chopped all to smithereens on the CD.

However, there is that additional bonus 5th Disc that supposedly contains interviews and "More Music" so I'm crossing my fingers that it means the missing KOTCS cues will be on there. If they are, then this is indeed a definitive INDY score release.

[Krypto]

I think the reason that part of the jungle chase music was excised from the KOTCS CD were because those sections were just the classic Indy theme that we've heard a million times. Remember, Williams personally supervised the orchestration of the music on these CD's.

[IrishJedi]

Actually, there was a lot of brand-new material in The Jungle Chase (and other sequences) that is not on the soundtrack.

[Deak Starkiller]

I wouldn't doubt if old George edited tracks together, he sure pulled that crap in the prequels.

[Krypto]

I wouldn't doubt if old George edited tracks together, he sure pulled that crap in the prequels.

The finale of AOTC being the most obvious example of this. One must remember that when the music for the CD was recorded, likely elements of the film weren't finished editing, so Williams, as usual, orchestrates each track as a theme, rather than a piece that goes along in sync with the film itself.

[Deak Starkiller]

Right! :chew

[IrishJedi]

Actually, the KOTCS score wasn't the victim of Lucas/Ben Burtt over-editing the way the prequels were. Williams wrote and scored scenes and then performed his own edits and cue cuts as Spielberg locked the cut and finished the film.

[Krypto]

Yeah, that's uhh...basically what I said. ;)

[tomandshell]

Got my order in--of the four, I only have the old version of the ROTLA score and I'm looking forward to having the full set. (Temple of Doom is my favorite and it'll be nice to have those extra tracks.)

[Krypto]

I nearly spent $70 on a Temple import earlier this year, I wanted it so much. Glad I came to my senses now! :D

[Indiana Jones]

Tracklisting for the 5th disc now revealed.....:whip

01. Raiders March (from Raiders of the Lost Ark)
02. Interviews with John Williams, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, Hosted by Laurent Bouzereau - (featuring Steven Spielberg/George Lucas/John Williams)
03. Uncovering the Ark ** (from Raiders of the Lost Ark)
04. Indy and the Villagers * (from Temple of Doom)
05. Secret Passage, The * (from Temple of Doom)
06. Father's Study * (from Last Crusade)
07. Marcus Is Captured/To Berlin * (from Last Crusade)
08. To the Blimp * (from Last Crusade) *
09. Blimp Turns Around, The (from Last Crusade)
10. Death of Kazim * (from Last Crusade)
11. Wrong Choice, Right Choice * (from Last Crusade)
12. Return to the Village/Raiders March * (from Temple Of Doom)

* Previously unreleased
** Previously unreleased on CD

[SSC_Nerd]

Definitely going to be buying this when it comes out. I've been dying to get my hands on the Temple of Doom soundtrack for a long time, but not wanting to pay $70 for it. As it sits, Crusade of the Slave Children is probably my single favorite score.

[IrishJedi]

Tracklisting for the 5th disc now revealed.....:whip

01. Raiders March (from Raiders of the Lost Ark)
02. Interviews with John Williams, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, Hosted by Laurent Bouzereau - (featuring Steven Spielberg/George Lucas/John Williams)
03. Uncovering the Ark ** (from Raiders of the Lost Ark)
04. Indy and the Villagers * (from Temple of Doom)
05. Secret Passage, The * (from Temple of Doom)
06. Father's Study * (from Last Crusade)
07. Marcus Is Captured/To Berlin * (from Last Crusade)
08. To the Blimp * (from Last Crusade) *
09. Blimp Turns Around, The (from Last Crusade)
10. Death of Kazim * (from Last Crusade)
11. Wrong Choice, Right Choice * (from Last Crusade)
12. Return to the Village/Raiders March * (from Temple Of Doom)

* Previously unreleased
** Previously unreleased on CD


Cool. But not a single additional cue from KOTCS? :banghead :duh

[CelticPredator]

Thank god for that! I love KOTCS, but the score was just....meh. So glad I didnt pay for it. This....I will pay for.

[IrishJedi]

There are some great cues from KOTCS that are not on the sountrack (or this bonus disc). No matter how you feel about the film or the score missing out on some great John Williams music is always a shame.

[The Ringer]

I was looking forward to seeing some more KOTCS tracks but am still excited to see this set coming!

[Seretur]

Okay, since I have been on a geek binge all week long (rushing madly to finish a book because my release date has been moved a week up -- the new Bond book, of course -- and then gearing up to see Alicia Keys live tomorrow night), I might as well chime in with a detailed, track-by-track analysis of the Raiders disc from the upcoming set. Cause I have it, as it leaked last week.

Here is the thing: If you want to create an utterly complete & integral Raiders playlist, you'll need Discs 1 and 5 from this set, AND your old DCC release. Some of the cues on the new release are compromised.

So. Act 1:

1. In the Jungle [Main Title] -- new release is 2 seconds longer, same track
2. The Idol Temple -- see below (4'01")
3. Escape from the Temple -- the cues are now properly separated, very commendable (1'36")
4. Flight from Peru -- new release is 5 seconds longer

So far so good. Act 2:

5. Washington Men & Indy's Home -- first new track, introduces Ark theme, with 30" of background score that seems missing from the film (1'13")
6. A Thought for Marion & To Nepal -- clunkier title, 8 seconds longer, same track, basically
7. The Medallion -- same track
8. Flight to Cairo [To Cairo] -- same track

Still good with the new release. Act 3:

9. The Basket Game -- EDITED in the new release, misses 13" of the spooky intro, use the DCC track instead
10. Bad Dates -- second new track, the poisoning & the dead monkey cues combined into a coherent whole, ideally should be separate (1'34")
11. The Map Room: Dawn -- I think it's "& Dawn" here, which is stupid; same track, 3" longer, vocals a bit more prominent
12. Reunion etc. -- despite the title difference, appears to be the same track, 3" longer

See? Problems. More to come in Act 4:

13. The Well of the Souls -- same track, one second longer
14. Uncovering the Ark -- third new track; on Disc 5, don't have it yet
15. Indy Rides the Statue -- fourth new track; first bit is unused atmospheric, the rest is the mummy scene (2'09")
16. The Fist Fight & The Flying Wing [Airplane Fight] -- same track, 2" longer
17. Desert Chase -- EDITED in the new release, misses a whopping 36" of music that DCC had

At least Act 5 is perfectly fine, until the coda:

18. Marion's Theme [& The Crate] -- same track, 3" longer
19. The German Sub -- see below (1'17")
20. Ride to the Nazi Hideout -- another proper separation of cues with the unused "riding" portion of score (3'20")
21. Indy Follows the Ark [Ark Trek] -- same cue, 7" longer
22. The Miracle of the Ark -- same cue, 6" longer
23. The Warehouse -- from DCC (56"), and
24. End Credits -- from DCC (5'21") have now been COMBINED into:
23. Washington Ending & Raiders March (6'49"), which not only features an unfortunate, however filmlike, edit, but also has the "soft" bit of the March tacked onto the end, just like in Track 1 of the DCC release. I'd recommend sticking with the DCC version for those, for a total of 24 cues.

So there you go. The new release is more than welcome for the new music (although we still don't have the version of Indy Rides the Statue heard in the film, as that bit was apparently tracked), but two major action cues appear here in their original LP form, not the properly expanded DCC version, and while two of DCC's edits have been restored to separate tracks, the finale commits that mistake all on its own.

Differing track lengths probably have more to do with CD mastering (length of silence etc.) than anything else.

The act structure is entirely mine, pay no attention to it. I've watched too much Murnau recently.

And now I'll go back to work.

[IrishJedi]

I'm glad I have the DCC release of ROTLA then.

Good homework.

[The Josh]

Ordered mine on Amazon.

[CelticPredator]

Hmmm.......I think Im gonna raid some Internets.....

[Seretur]

Oh, was Alicia good.

:)

BTW, what I wrote above? That's pretty much it; the reviewers on dedicated sites will surely support the conclusions.

I was awarded for my troubles with the Indy Soundtrack Collection showing up in my Gold Box today; so I'll be paying $2.90 less for it, or for us in Europe, two breadcrumbs and some navel lint less.

I love America. :)

[tomandshell]

Amazon shipped my copy today.

:chew

[IrishJedi]

Mine shipped Saturday (as did my copy of the new WATCHMEN Hardcover). Can't wait! :rock

[Deak Starkiller]

Mine should be here tomorrow! And IJ did you pick up the ABSOLUTE edition? I got that one, it's nice with all of the color correction stuff DC did.

[IrishJedi]

Mine should be here tomorrow! And IJ did you pick up the ABSOLUTE edition? I got that one, it's nice with all of the color correction stuff DC did.

Yeah, I have the ABSOLUTE WATCHMEN already. This is a new Hardcover edition of the standard TPB with a new cover... but it also does have the same new color-treatment as the Absolute Edition. And that's awesome, because now I'll have a "reading copy" of the color-corrected WATCHMEN that I can peruse without having to crack open my beloved Absolute Edition every time.

BTW, here's the cover:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51UXR7Dqy6L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg

[Deak Starkiller]

Well...****. After all I need a 3rd copy of Watchmen I guess. :lol

[Deak Starkiller]

Awesome I got my cd set today! Nice little pack of some of the best music of all time! Finally Temple of Doom is mine AND they kept the original title of Raiders of the Lost Ark on the CD! No "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark"! Yay!

:rock :rock :rock :rock

[CelticPredator]

*sails away on the internet*
Arrrgg...where be me Indy!

[Deak Starkiller]

Amazon baby! Luckily I live in a town where there is a distribution warehouse.

[Krypto]

Amazon shipped mine yesterday. Should arrive tomorrow. Can't wait! Been waiting so long for this set.

[The Josh]

Should have mine tomorrow.

[Deak Starkiller]

So I just listened to the Temple of Doom score and all I have to say is...wow! This set is awesome so far, I have always wanted to finish my CD collection since I already had Raiders and Last Crusade so this is a big deal to me to have them all together. And even though I am not the biggest fan of KOTCS I absolutely love the music, glad I didn't pick up that soundtrack just yet. If anyone is unsure about picking this up, don't wait. It's well worth the money.

[The Josh]

The KOTCS soundtrack is quite nice. I brought it in during summer school and we would listen to it on occassion. The kids loved it.

[CelticPredator]

I think thats John Williams worst. Its just so...boring. Theres one very small action cue on that entire soundtrack. No Jungle Chase, no Area 51 chase..nothin. (yes, there is that small 3 minute section of the Jungle Chase from Mutt vs Spalko, through the monkies...but thats not enough. )

[agent5]

I've heard from those who already have it that it really isn't a true interpritation of the "complete" scores. Is that safe to say?

[The Josh]

I got mine yesterday and what I listened to it sounded like it.

[Krypto]

Still waiting on mine... :(

[MaulFan]

Very happy, used my iTunes gift card from my brother to order this this morning :)

[The Josh]

Enjoy Sean! The Indy soundtracks :rock.

[MaulFan]

I'm a little dissappointed TOD doesn't include that low drum beating from the bridge as Mola Ram's men creap in on Indy, that's like my favorite moment in the movie and it'd be really cool to have the music from it.

[Deak Starkiller]

Good call MF, now I am pissed that it's not there. Merry Christmas! :duff.

[The Josh]

I'm a little dissappointed TOD doesn't include that low drum beating from the bridge as Mola Ram's men creap in on Indy, that's like my favorite moment in the movie and it'd be really cool to have the music from it.

I guess that slipped by me. TOD not being my top Indy movie. Will have to listen closer next time.

[MaulFan]

I guess that slipped by me. TOD not being my top Indy movie. Will have to listen closer next time.

Basically, the soundtrack goes from the music when Indy's acting all tough with the sword and then fleeing for his life to the bridge actually swinging down in half and the fight on it, the whole segment bridging the two moments with the tension buildup to Indy's big move is absent and I just really liked it because the first time you see TOD you get to thinking like oh ^^^^ how's he going to get out of this and the danger grows with the music enhancing it.

[Blackhole]

Very happy, used my iTunes gift card from my brother to order this this morning :)

If I'm correct, iTunes have the set for about half RRP, so £15 in the UK...

Which is great for all 5 discs and the booklet (digital format of course)...

[MaulFan]

If I'm correct, iTunes have the set for about half RRP, so £15 in the UK...

Which is great for all 5 discs and the booklet (digital format of course)...

No digital booklet, just tracks.

[Blackhole]

No digital booklet, just tracks.

Strange, I got a digital booklet in mine...must be a UK thing...

[MaulFan]

Strange, I got a digital booklet in mine...must be a UK thing...

Perhaps. Doesn't break my heart, just figured I'd point it out.

[Club Obi Wan]

Actually, you get the digital booklet in the US too. It's somewhere on your computer as a pdf.

[MaulFan]

There's no booklet even listed in the Store when I go there, just the audio tracks. The only extra is a 17 minute interview track.

[Club Obi Wan]

My bad. I had skimmed the posts and thought we were discussing KOTCS soundtrack alone.

I bought the actual CDs for the complete soundtrack collection. It doesn't look like the iTunes version is missing much -- the most prominent thing would be interviews with John Williams, which I haven't listened to yet. The actual booklet that comes with the set has mostly photos and a few concept art sketches -- most of the images are postage stamp size or smaller. Nice, but not essential by any means.

[Blackhole]

All I want was the music...which I got...and it's awesome...

[DinoLast]

All I want was the music...which I got...and it's awesome...

How much was the download?
I have just ordered the CD's from HMV for 22 pounds

[Customikey]

My girlfriend got me the Scores for Chistmas!! :love

[Joe_B]

For anyone interested in how the release compares to the complete scores, what's missing, issues with the set, etc check out indianajonesmusic.com

It was an effort of several people on jwfan.com and is quite informative.

[tomandshell]

In case anybody is still missing this, it's available as a lightning deal in the gold box area at Amazon for $28 for another two hours or so.

[CelticPredator]

I'm waiting for the torrent. :monkey1

[Incurable Collector]

In case anybody is still missing this, it's available as a lightning deal in the gold box area at Amazon for $28 for another two hours or so.

HUGE thanks for the tip tomandshell, I almost dropped 60$ plus tax on this set at best buy not too long ago! I've been looking to get this set since last Nov when this set came out. I have the KOTCS score but I've never heard the other 3 films.

[Mighty_Jabba]

HUGE thanks for the tip tomandshell, I almost dropped 60$ plus tax on this set at best buy not too long ago! I've been looking to get this set since last Nov when this set came out. I have the KOTCS score but I've never heard the other 3 films.

You're in for a treat. KotCS is pretty mediocre, especially when compared to the awesomness of the first three scores.

[DinoLast]

I have this set, but I thought it was a shame they left out the drum beat from the bridge scene
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[Mighty_Jabba]

I have this set, but I thought it was a shame they left out the drum beat from the bridge scene
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Yeah, that and the edited down Desert Chase :(

[Incurable Collector]

Yes, I read about the omissions and edits but still, It's better than nothing. Also, I'm the type that just wants the main themes and titles, not really a big deal if it's not a "complete" recording type deal.

[Husker75]

I would also like to thank you for the tip, because not only I picked one up, but my brother, and his friend, and maybe a few others.. :) Had been waiting for the "right" price on that thing for a while. Good times! Can't wait to hear it all.

[JGouse0498]

You're in for a treat. KotCS is pretty mediocre, especially when compared to the awesomness of the first three scores.

Really?! I felt "Kingdom" was the second best score next to "Raiders". "Temple" is too dark IMO, and "Crusade" is rather generic aside from the Grail Theme.

[Mighty_Jabba]

Really?! I felt "Kingdom" was the second best score next to "Raiders". "Temple" is too dark IMO, and "Crusade" is rather generic aside from the Grail Theme.

The best music in KotCS is from Raiders. The rest just didn't register with me - a lot of unintresting brooding cues. Unlike the previous scores there wasn't even a trademark standout action cue like Desert Chase or Belly of the Steel Beast. Jungle Chase had its moments, but it was too disjointed. ToD is my favourite - a joyful thrill ride from start to finish, not a single filler cue.

[Incurable Collector]

Call me crazy but I personally really like the "call of the crystal" theme in KotCS score. it has that creepy, mysterious ambiance of the skull

[Deak Starkiller]

Call me crazy but I personally really like the "call of the crystal" theme in KotCS score. it has that creepy, mysterious ambiance of the skull

The soundtrack is the best part of the movie! Harrison Ford's performance comes in at a close 2nd.