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warrioe-sage
08-21-2008, 06:35 AM
Is death a door to the road to awe? Or is it a disease for which there is a cure?

http://www.darrenaronofsky.com/fountain_com_files/fountain_tree_gal.jpg

Too busy to take a couple of hours to explore your mind's take on this subject by exposing it to Aronofsky's vision?

This particular work of art is a beautiful and powerful meditation on mortality. It's closest kinship is with What Dreams May Come.

Reflections and meditations on what may come after death are by definition uncertain imagination. No one has returned to tell us with certainty what comes next. Even the religious require faith.

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in the garden there was the tree of life, and tree of life and death...good and evil, light and dark. It the was the knowledge of good and evil which would make man like God. hence the god of freemasonry jah (good) baal (evil) on (the king or person controlling both good and evil becoming a god) man was created to eat of the tree of life but always had freewill to eat of the forbidden knowledge, knowledge of good and evil.

The movie has heavy Kabbalistic references and Aaronofsky, its director, also directed Pi -- another movie with heavy kabbalistic references but this time dealing with the number of God and the Fibonacci sequence.

I'm writing this in the midst of my fifth viewing of the DVD. Those who brought this movie to light have spent 15 years at it and there is plenty here to ponder. I find it exquisite visually and fascinating spiritually. Then again the eternal question of life after death or eternal life interests me.

I would love to personally thak the makers of this film for their effort and dedication in bring their vision to the screen. These are highly intelligent cinema artists who's effort is to be commended.

http://adamanthenes.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/the-fountain.jpg

It's ambitious and amazing and well worth the time to watch and the money to own. I'm certain that I will watch it often along with What Dreams May Come, Flatliners, Meet Joe Black, Stay, Jacob's Ladder, The Jacket, Contact, Ghost, The Last Temptation of Christ, Faraway So Close, Defending Your Life, Heaven Can Wait, Wings of Desire, the Rapture, City of Angels, The Sixth Sense, and Beetlejuice when I wish to consider my own mind's eye view of what comes after death.



I'm curious about death and the hereafter and how other's see it and this is one of the best and most beautiful films ever made to address the subject.

Once you realize it's not about love- it's not a love story- you might grasp it a bit more.
That may be the framework but this story is a death story.

The lead character is not consumed with love.. there is no drawn out romantic idealization that pulls on the very core of your heart and makes you oo and aa at the show of acted emotional interplay.

He is consumed with death, her death, leaving himself blind to their love.
He wants to stop death, but the story is a lesson in the beauty and tranquility of death.. how human beings efforts to thwart it are born out of the skewed perceptive that death is something that -needs- to be stopped.

This movie is visually unique, but that takes a secondary seat to its presentation of a higher consciousness about -death-.

Amazing.


"There was so much work done on the film by me, Mattie and James and Clint, just sitting around and talking about how different things connect. It’s hard to find the sources of everything, but I can track some of them.

One thing is there’s this whole geometrical thing going through the film. There’s that triangle that you see in space that we keep going back to, with the star in the middle, and that’s actually the Orion Nebula, which is what the Mayans actually thought was their underworld. That was what they pointed at. And, most people see the Orion Belt, the three stars they know, but then surrounding the Orion Nebula is this triangle. So, then we started saying, Well, you know, the Mayans, they had these triangular pyramids, and in Spain, they had these triangular towers. It makes sense to use the triangle for the 16th century.

And then, you come to the 21st century, and you’re, like, well, what’s our world? You realize our world is computer screens and doors and windows. It’s all squares, you know, the shape’s evolving.

Okay, so then we’re in space. What’s the next shape? Well, it’s very obvious--the planets, circle. So, maybe the spaceship, instead of going and doing the same old thing of putting trucks in space--which is what people have done since the shaping of these old…Every rocket ship is just a really souped up, pimped up car in space. You know, hey, let’s get a spherical ship. Why not?

They all led to different things, and suddenly, a visual language starts to grow. But, it’s not really one source. It’s just being part of the world, and taking things from wherever you can."

"And, I think there is a lot of stuff in THE FOUNTAIN that is concrete that I think people will see the more they watch it. There are definitely more answers in THE FOUNTAIN than there are in “Lost.”
The whole interview is at http://www.aintitcool.com/node/3076






Hugh Jackman walks on water entraining with the Biblical Christ. Fitting as he is about to become one with consciousness atop a Mayan Temple/Pyramid.

Stargate King Hugh Jackman interacts with the Mayan 2012 Stargate themes in the modern 2001: Space Odyssey, Darren Aronofsky's masterpiece "The Fountain".



As a Spanish conquistador Hugh Jackman finds a Mayan Temple/Pyramid, climbs it, while Orion winks in the background.

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The Mayan theme is represented by Xibalba and a Temple/Pyramid Jackman climbs while questing for the Tree of Life.

"The Fountain" elegantly illustrates the journey of realization of ones own divinity - frequently described in these pages as opening the Stargate - calling it "the road to awe".
The Stargate circle is constantly placed at the center of the frame throughout the entire film. Showing divinity to be present in all 'times and places'. Before the climax when the Stargate is finally opened Jackman assumes the meditative posture of the Buddha, the human pyramid. In another fractally self similar reality at the same moment he is standing atop the Mayan pyramid eating semen from the Tree of Life.

Hugh has to overcome his attachment to objects in space/things (pursuit of a cure for his wife/immortality) and its interrelated partner 'illusion' time (the rate at which things change) . Only then, purged of the desire to find or fulfill himself in anything does he become whole while the resulting ecstatic Stargate collapses form and change, time and space.

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The Stargate opens for our hero who has found the joy of consciousness beyond time and space. The Stargate circle currently being a halo (image above) around the third eye pivot of consciousness in the human form.


http://rundonotwalk.blogspot.com/2008/03/following-hugh-jackman-through.html

http://thebravenewworldorder.blogspot.com/2006/12/contacting-god-our-alien-creator-occult.html

http://thebravenewworldorder.blogspot.com/2006/09/eris-nasa-madonna-pope-stargates-and.html

http://thebravenewworldorder.blogspot.com/2006/10/akhenaton-ancient-astronaut-and-911.html




As comedian Bill Hicks used to say: "We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is but a dream and we are the imaginations of ourselves."


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wofford29
08-21-2008, 11:17 AM
I'm not sure what you're trying to get out of your post but I'm assuming you're just praising the film. Which indeed, is absolutely incredible.

Cocoboloboy
08-21-2008, 11:46 AM
This movie is on my worst films of all time list. I absolutely hated it.

RJMacReady16
08-21-2008, 12:27 PM
This movie is on my worst films of all time list. I absolutely hated it.

:lol Pretty rigid, but that sums it up for me as well.

I appreciate the premise (very cool), and I appreciate Aronofsky as a film-maker (can't wait for his Robocop) but the execution was just terrible.

Kuzeh
08-21-2008, 12:36 PM
Wow...I think this movie is underrated,
I seriously see it as a marvelous accomplishment, I think it was ahead of its time, and I also believe it will become a Cult Classic in the Future...
Beautiful visuals and astonishing story....
Love it!
Not sure what the deal is with this weird first posts though... :monkey5

pixletwin
08-21-2008, 12:38 PM
I liked it too.

occulum
08-21-2008, 12:41 PM
I loved the movie.

esp with how Aronofsky had the rug pulled out from under him in after he'd already started production.
Budget cut in half, lost leading star, had to change shoot locations .. etc ....

Vader AL
08-21-2008, 12:50 PM
neat concept, horribly produced/executed. (IMO)

Sick Boy 82
08-21-2008, 01:12 PM
Isn't this kinda late. I mean the movie has alreayd been out for a few years.

Visually cool, the rest meh.

plasmid303
08-21-2008, 01:12 PM
Lugubrious. Meandering.

p!tu
08-21-2008, 01:13 PM
I loved the movie.

esp with how Aronofsky had the rug pulled out from under him in after he'd already started production.
Budget cut in half, lost leading star, had to change shoot locations .. etc ....

:rock:rock:rock:rock Great freaking movie!!! and AMAZING score!!!!

Cocoboloboy
08-21-2008, 01:17 PM
I guess it has cool visuals but just like a masterpiece sculpted out of dog crap, it may look good but it still stinks.:lol

TheObsoleteMan
08-21-2008, 01:52 PM
Well acted, directed and beautiful to watch, but I couldn't make heads or tails of it. A bit too abstract for me I guess.

CAhobbit
08-21-2008, 02:00 PM
Visually stunning film and I adored the music. The story kind of fell flat for me though.

Dusty
08-21-2008, 04:18 PM
I thought it was a pretty amazing film that made me really examine the themes. It was edited weirdly, which I think is what turns most people off. And yes, it is most definitely a death story and not a love story, which I think is another thing that turned people off. They expected this beautiful story about saving your one true love, and this is just not it. His inability to cope with death - to miss out on treasured moments because of his pre-occupation with something else - is mirrored in many many people, and his journey towards enlightenment is beautiful. Unfortunately, it's true - many people seem more interested in 'cheating' death than coming to terms with it - and they want their movies to do the same.

The music is AWESOME!

I would also add Donnie Darko to warrioe-sage's list of films that make him ponder the theme.

Shatterer of Dreams
08-21-2008, 04:18 PM
I think if he had the original budget and the alloted time to shoot the movie it would have been better. That said i still liked the movie, you should read the comic though it might clear some things up for some people.

CAhobbit
08-21-2008, 04:25 PM
I would also add Donnie Darko to warrioe-sage's list of films that make him ponder the theme.

Only the original one though. The Director's Cut (that was released a couple of years ago) gave far too much away so there was nothing to ponder anymore. :monkey2

Shatterer of Dreams
08-21-2008, 04:26 PM
Only the original one though. The Director's Cut (that was released a couple of years ago) gave far too much away so there was nothing to ponder anymore. :monkey2

I love that you guys sit accross from each other but you're having this conversation in here.:rotfl

CAhobbit
08-21-2008, 04:36 PM
I love that you guys sit accross from each other but you're having this conversation in here.:rotfl

Oddly enough, I had the same exact thought. See how the internet has destroyed all means of proper face to face conversation. In the immortal words of Darth Vader....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/CAhobbit/darth_vader_nooo.jpg

Dusty
08-21-2008, 04:36 PM
Only the original one though. The Director's Cut (that was released a couple of years ago) gave far too much away so there was nothing to ponder anymore. :monkey2

Agreed!

And :rotfl Mr. Shatter o' Dreams

Dusty
08-21-2008, 04:37 PM
Oddly enough, I had the same exact thought. See how the internet has destroyed all means of proper face to face conversation. In the immortal words of Darth Vader....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/CAhobbit/darth_vader_nooo.jpg

I feel like I'm on the ship in Wall-E!

Shatterer of Dreams
08-21-2008, 04:41 PM
Oddly enough, I had the same exact thought. See how the internet has destroyed all means of proper face to face conversation. In the immortal words of Darth Vader....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/CAhobbit/darth_vader_nooo.jpg

I suppose i'm no better since i could just walk over and laugh at you but i too just perpetuate this impersonal conversement.:rolleyes:

CAhobbit
08-21-2008, 05:04 PM
I suppose i'm no better since i could just walk over and laugh at you but i too just perpetuate this impersonal conversement.:rolleyes:

Ha! Walking is overrated.

pixletwin
08-21-2008, 05:24 PM
Ha! Walking is overrated.

http://wcuk.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/225629_fat_guy_in_car.jpg

McHavyck
08-22-2008, 04:24 AM
i avoided this movie like the plague, but once i did sit down and watch it i loved it.

although, i get that it's not everyone's cup o' tea.

SNIKT1950
01-24-2017, 09:29 PM
Watched this again the other night. Three days later and I'm still thinking about it. I watch it every 2-3 years.

Some thoughts

-I remember opening night ten years ago the theater was empty. It was midnight and there were only about six other people in a fairly small screening room at the AMC in Santa Monica. It blew my ****ing mind.

-I feel Aronofsky should have done this later. Had this been released today it would have found a much broader audience [same goes for the other Jackman movie that came out that year - Nolan's brilliant Best Picture-worthy The Prestige.]

-Clint Mansell's score is haunting and spectacular. Dude should have won an Oscar for it.

-Hugh Jackman's finest performance prior to Villeneuve's Prisoners. The dude is just totally committed here. You can tell he gave Aronofsky his all (specially if you watch the BTS on the blu-ray where Aronofsky tells Jackman he wants his eyebrows shaved off & Jackman agrees without an ounce of reluctance).

-The dude who play the Mayan Chief is the same dude from Gibson's Apocalypto. He's awesome.

-I cry like a ***** when Jackman sees Rachel Weisz inside the sphere. His tortured look is heartbreaking.

-This movie is arguably the greatest cinematic depiction of the agony that comes with losing a lover. I remember breaking up with my ex (who I watched this with) and not being able to go near this movie because like Tommy, I was madly in love with her and the thought of my time with her being over would lead to Mansell's score playing in my head and would instantly destroy me.

-Film deserved Nominations for Best Actor, Best Cinematography and Best Score.

-What pains me the most about watching this awesome movie is the thought that at one point Aronofsky was to helm a sexually-explicit, uber-violent, deeply cerebral and abstract Wolverine film starring Jackman. I got my hands on the script a few years ago and it is to this day the greatest CBM I've ever read. Hopefully Mangold's Logan gets somewhat close.

beefnutz
01-24-2017, 11:51 PM
this movie was rubbish.
and still is.

Khev
01-24-2017, 11:52 PM
Wow, Sideshow Dusty, what a blast from the past.

morphosis
01-25-2017, 05:04 PM
Watched this again the other night. Three days later and I'm still thinking about it. I watch it every 2-3 years.

Some thoughts

-I remember opening night ten years ago the theater was empty. It was midnight and there were only about six other people in a fairly small screening room at the AMC in Santa Monica. It blew my ****ing mind.

-I feel Aronofsky should have done this later. Had this been released today it would have found a much broader audience [same goes for the other Jackman movie that came out that year - Nolan's brilliant Best Picture-worthy The Prestige.]

-Clint Mansell's score is haunting and spectacular. Dude should have won an Oscar for it.

-Hugh Jackman's finest performance prior to Villeneuve's Prisoners. The dude is just totally committed here. You can tell he gave Aronofsky his all (specially if you watch the BTS on the blu-ray where Aronofsky tells Jackman he wants his eyebrows shaved off & Jackman agrees without an ounce of reluctance).

-The dude who play the Mayan Chief is the same dude from Gibson's Apocalypto. He's awesome.

-I cry like a ***** when Jackman sees Rachel Weisz inside the sphere. His tortured look is heartbreaking.

-This movie is arguably the greatest cinematic depiction of the agony that comes with losing a lover. I remember breaking up with my ex (who I watched this with) and not being able to go near this movie because like Tommy, I was madly in love with her and the thought of my time with her being over would lead to Mansell's score playing in my head and would instantly destroy me.

-Film deserved Nominations for Best Actor, Best Cinematography and Best Score.

-What pains me the most about watching this awesome movie is the thought that at one point Aronofsky was to helm a sexually-explicit, uber-violent, deeply cerebral and abstract Wolverine film starring Jackman. I got my hands on the script a few years ago and it is to this day the greatest CBM I've ever read. Hopefully Mangold's Logan gets somewhat close.

Yup!!!! one of my favorite films too and the score is incredible, one of my favorites all time. I got the graphic novel too which is amazing as well. Aronofsky was also supposed to do Year One before Nolan got Batman Begins. An Aronofsky Batman still would be freakin amazing to see!!! I remember when they announced that he was going to be the next Batman director and i was just so psyched. And I still remember seeing Pi in the theater with a group of friends and we were just blown away. One of the coolest experiences i ever had with a film in the theater. It was just so intense.

SNIKT1950
01-25-2017, 05:48 PM
Yup!!!! one of my favorite films too and the score is incredible, one of my favorites all time. I got the graphic novel too which is amazing as well. Aronofsky was also supposed to do Year One before Nolan got Batman Begins. An Aronofsky Batman still would be freakin amazing to see!!! I remember when they announced that he was going to be the next Batman director and i was just so psyched. And I still remember seeing Pi in the theater with a group of friends and we were just blown away. One of the coolest experiences i ever had with a film in the theater. It was just so intense.

The only other in-theater experience that was similar to me was when I watched Gaspar Noe's Enter The Void. Equally great, equally complex, equally emotional piece that you must if watch if you haven't already.

*Theater was even emptier for that one at midnight (this was Miami Beach instead of Santa Monica).

jrice73
01-25-2017, 05:52 PM
One of the very best films so far this century. Can't agree more with you guys.

Otomofan
01-26-2017, 09:38 PM
The Fountain is excellent.

Enter the Void is garbage. (But it does have one of the best opening credit sequences in the history of film. Not an exaggeration.)