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quadcent
08-15-2008, 11:46 PM
found this very interesting.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008/INDI4.php

to date this 4th installment of indy has done as well as tdk, of course tdk hasn't finished yet. both about 750 million to date.

the first indy had a budget of 20 million, the last 185 million.

EVILFACE
08-16-2008, 12:57 AM
Too bad one is pretty damn good and the other isn't.

quadcent
08-16-2008, 09:01 AM
yeah that's why i posted it, just to show that even when a movie is this bad it still can make a studio a ^^^^ load of money. so i would thick we will see yet another sequel, with revenue like this. of course harrison will probably not be up for a major role, just a small part. hence the reason for bringing in his son for future movies.

The Josh
08-16-2008, 09:22 AM
I guess thats if you consider Indy 4 bad. Its not from my pov but its not as good as TDK either. Saw both and enjoyed the hell out of both so they where successful films for me.

Darth Snoopy
08-16-2008, 09:35 AM
I guess thats if you consider Indy 4 bad. Its not from my pov but its not as good as TDK either. Saw both and enjoyed the hell out of both so they where successful films for me.

I agree. If a movie makes me feel entertained and I enjoy them...I could care less what anyone else feels. :maul

Bardoon
08-16-2008, 09:41 AM
This is what drives studios to greenlight these s**tty scripts...all they see is BANK. Studios love Lucas cause he rakes in the dough, they'll do ANYTHING for him that has Star Wars on it and it appears now they will with Indiana Jones as well.

I enjoyed Indy IV but it is nowhere NEAR the same level as the original 3...all that in terms of script, story and most of the scenes-on-screen. Lucas went "$tar War$ Prequel Crazy" with Indy IV and then at the end of the day he tries to distance himself and say stuff like "we did it for the fans" and step away from the criticism it gets.

What an idiot.

EVILFACE
08-16-2008, 11:00 AM
I guess thats if you consider Indy 4 bad. Its not from my pov but its not as good as TDK either. Saw both and enjoyed the hell out of both so they where successful films for me.

Then you were the crowd they were banking on.

Spielucas set out to sell toys and made a farce of a moive.

Nolans group set out to make a good movie and it sold toys.

The Mike
08-16-2008, 11:05 AM
TDK hasn't been doing as good in the international markets as they speculated to date Indy has doubled the TDK International markets. The shocking thing was going to that site and typing in "Iron Man" and seeing in comparison compared to both films....even though that film was the talk of the town for weeks.

The Josh
08-16-2008, 11:13 AM
I agree. If a movie makes me feel entertained and I enjoy them...I could care less what anyone else feels. :maul

That's the key and IMO what movies are about.


This is what drives studios to greenlight these s**tty scripts...all they see is BANK. Studios love Lucas cause he rakes in the dough, they'll do ANYTHING for him that has Star Wars on it and it appears now they will with Indiana Jones as well.

I agree there are plenty of movies that get made with this in mind. There are also a lot of movies that get made where an actor has to do a certain role to get the really good role they want. However, I don't agree that they did this with Indy but thats just me.


I enjoyed Indy IV but it is nowhere NEAR the same level as the original 3...all that in terms of script, story and most of the scenes-on-screen. Lucas went "$tar War$ Prequel Crazy" with Indy IV and then at the end of the day he tries to distance himself and say stuff like "we did it for the fans" and step away from the criticism it gets.

What an idiot.

To me Indy 4 is as good as TOD. Thats my least fave of the 4 if you can say that about any of these really. :lol They're fun to watch and a good escape.


Then you were the crowd they were banking on.

That's fine with me. I enjoyed the movie and had a good time. Thats all I care about. There's no shame in that.

Dr.FeelGood
08-16-2008, 11:18 AM
I also enjoyed Indy 4, it didnt have the same feel as the old ones...but meh, you try having the same feel to a series after taking a break for 20 years?

IronFingaz
08-16-2008, 11:26 AM
I guess thats if you consider Indy 4 bad. Its not from my pov but its not as good as TDK either. Saw both and enjoyed the hell out of both so they where successful films for me.


I agree. If a movie makes me feel entertained and I enjoy them...I could care less what anyone else feels. :maul

:lecture:lecture:lecture

Same here. I thought Indy IV was great and enjoyed every minute.

Post #3000 :banana

DarthNeil
08-16-2008, 11:31 AM
:lecture:lecture:lecture

Same here. I thought Indy IV was great and enjoyed every minute.

Ditto. Gonna use my whip on the boo birds:whip...

But seriously, like it or hate it-- I could care less... It's what I think that matters (to me anyway).:D

RJMacReady16
08-16-2008, 12:15 PM
I love how everything I read about KotCS starts with something like "although it was panned by critics and fans alike...."

Meanwhile it got 76% on rottentomatoes.com. Sure it ain't the 94% that the Dark Knight earned, but it ain't exactly getting "panned" either.

Goes to show how the media will often times crowbar their own verdict into the story.

You also gotta' love how liking it or not liking it often winds up in an intellectual battle :rolleyes:

To each his own. 'Nuff said.

Freakazoid!
08-16-2008, 01:03 PM
the first indy had a budget of 20 million, the last 185 million.

Ever heard of inflation? 20 Million U$D was worth a lot more back in the early 80's.
And Indiana Jones IV was a enjoyable, entertaining movie, IMO.

The Mike
08-16-2008, 01:09 PM
I also enjoyed Indy 4, it didnt have the same feel as the old ones...but meh, you try having the same feel to a series after taking a break for 20 years?

Everyone could have. The hype was overdone around KOTCS. LFL in print and media made it seem like the second coming and even directly connected this piece to the nostalga to the first trilogy. They set themselves up for disappointment much the same way that TPM did by really hyping the "return" of the franchise after so long.

TDK came really really close to this as well with their hype and for some people did that despite the great film on screen. Hype can kill a film before its even released because expectations are just too high.

The Mike
08-16-2008, 01:12 PM
Ever heard of inflation? 20 Million U$D was worth a lot more back in the early 80's.
And Indiana Jones IV was a enjoyable, entertaining movie, IMO.

According to the Inflation Calculator I found:



What cost $20,000,000 in 1981 would cost $49,716,700.65 in 2007

You can't really use that as an argument here $180 Million is huge no matter what year you are dealing with.

icruise
08-16-2008, 08:33 PM
Everyone could have. The hype was overdone around KOTCS. LFL in print and media made it seem like the second coming and even directly connected this piece to the nostalga to the first trilogy. They set themselves up for disappointment much the same way that TPM did by really hyping the "return" of the franchise after so long.

I agree that over-hyping something can often lead to disappointment, but surely it isn't strange for them to connect it to the nostalgia from the first three movies. Reliving some of that is really the whole point of making another movie in the same series.

The Josh
08-17-2008, 01:37 AM
:lecture:lecture:lecture

Same here. I thought Indy IV was great and enjoyed every minute.

Post #3000 :banana

Congrats on 3k Fingaz! :rock

galactiboy
08-19-2008, 06:23 AM
Yeah, Indy IV was good... I liked it and had fun watching it. It had its groan moments like any modern Lucas endeavor, but still a cool flick.

Vader AL
08-19-2008, 07:26 AM
Yeah, Indy IV was good... I liked it and had fun watching it. It had its groan moments like any modern Lucas endeavor, but still a cool flick.

yeah that's how i felt about it. i still haven't seen TDK though or the clone wars.

barbelith
08-19-2008, 08:20 AM
Spielucas set out to sell toys and made a farce of a moive.

I love this argument because it's so nonsensical. If Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was designed as a toy commercial it would have been a completely different film. There would have been far more toys in it than the jungle cutter, for starters.


Nolans group set out to make a good movie and it sold toys.

The Dark Knight is a much better example of the cynical manipulation you describe, because all those toys were made for a movie kids shouldn't be allowed to see! It's the ultimate example of corporate greed and idiocy. The Dark Knight is by no stretch of the imagination a kids' movie and yet you can find little homicidal maniac Jokers in boxes of Cinnamon Toast Crunch and a whole line of action figures aimed at kids too young to be let into the theater.

Kingdom of the Crystal Skull made so much money because, a few insecure nerds on the Internet aside, people liked it and either saw it again or told their friends to go see it. It's a fun movie with characters people like and relate to, and unlike most summer blockbusters it's actually about something more than chasing after a crystal skull. It's a great example of how the Internet is completely unrepresentative of real life in most cases, and how Internet nerds forget that and get so swept up in the echo chamber.

galactiboy
08-19-2008, 08:50 AM
yeah that's how i felt about it. i still haven't seen TDK though or the clone wars.

See both, they are a lot of fun. TDK is awesome, and the kind of movie you have to see in the theater. And Clone Wars (while far from perfect) is a fun flick and always cool to see SW on the big screen.

chuck20
08-19-2008, 09:24 PM
hey don;'t make fun of mattel's Movie masters, I have the full set. ;)

Darth Cruel
08-20-2008, 07:09 PM
Wow! It is looking to top Iron Man. The have similar budgets, and similar US totals. Iron Man is 120 mil ahead overseas...but Indy still has time to catch up, there.

quadcent
08-20-2008, 09:02 PM
yeah, it's interesting to compare these movies, and how different they perform from the us market to elsewhere. checked out titanic, and how they are comparing tdk to it. then look at titanics overseas take OMG. it's also interesting how some movies like transformers (that did not bad at the box office) sold a ton of dvd's and other didn't.

i put that site on my favourites

herzograven
08-20-2008, 09:11 PM
Then you were the crowd they were banking on.

Spielucas set out to sell toys and made a farce of a moive.

Nolans group set out to make a good movie and it sold toys.

well said
no matter how i prepared myself for indy 4, in the end it was really disappointing, and not just compared to the first three, but as a stand alone film it was pretty "bleh"

dark knight on the other hand just amazed the hell out of me
going into it i really thought i was going to be disappointed (like most sequels) and didn't think it would top BEGINS for me ... now i'm at the point where BEGINS seems like an INTRO compared to TDK

nolan and co. outdid themselves on this

EVILFACE
08-20-2008, 09:16 PM
because all those toys were made for a movie kids shouldn't be allowed to see.

:confused: What does that have to do with anything? Revenge of the Sith and Indiana Jones were PG13 and have toys. Hell, R rated Terminator had figures on the shelf at Walmart.

And any child can watch this movie if a adult permits them. The rating just lets them know there is may be some serious scenes.

I'm not sure why you are on this board, you do nothing but disagree with people. Sucks to be you!


yeah, it's interesting to compare these movies, and how different they perform from the us market to elsewhere. checked out titanic, and how they are comparing tdk to it. then look at titanics overseas take OMG. it's also interesting how some movies like transformers (that did not bad at the box office) sold a ton of dvd's and other didn't.

i put that site on my favourites

Yea, Titanic world box office won't be touched prolly for at least 10-20 more years if theaters are still something people do in the future.

TheObsoleteMan
08-20-2008, 09:22 PM
The only way Titanic will be beaten any time soon is if another teen heartthrob comes along that will get little girls to go back to the theater 50 times to see the same movie.

The Mike
08-20-2008, 09:24 PM
Paging Zac Efron. Paging Zac Efron....:lol I kid, I kid I really hate that guy.

quadcent
08-20-2008, 09:44 PM
The only way Titanic will be beaten any time soon is if another teen heartthrob comes along that will get little girls to go back to the theater 50 times to see the same movie.

yeah, must be a girl thing. heartthrob and mix in a little kissy kissy, along with a massive death tool. oh yeah kill off the heartthrob. and box office success.

i only saw it once in the theater,(titanic) and the only movie i have seen more that once in the theatre is tdk, only because my wife hadn't seen it yet, and the first time i saw it with the kids i couldn't hold it anymore and then had to stand in line to drain it. so i missed around the point of the boom boom ferries scene.:banghead:banghead

icruise
08-20-2008, 10:45 PM
:confused: What does that have to do with anything? Revenge of the Sith and Indiana Jones were PG13 and have toys. Hell, R rated Terminator had figures on the shelf at Walmart.

And any child can watch this movie if a adult permits them. The rating just lets them know there is may be some serious scenes.

Actually I agree that it's weird that there are so many toys out for The Dark Knight, considering how, you know, dark it is. Most of the kids who are the targets of the toys probably shouldn't be seeing it, in my opinion.

EVILFACE
08-20-2008, 10:59 PM
Actually I agree that it's weird that there are so many toys out for The Dark Knight, considering how, you know, dark it is. Most of the kids who are the targets of the toys probably shouldn't be seeing it, in my opinion.

But its alright with Revenge of the Sith? It was rated PG13. It had kids being slaughtered, people getting decapitated, hands and limbs chopped off, strangled, people being being burned to a crisp. Yea, light entertainment that is just great for the kiddies!!

icruise
08-20-2008, 11:08 PM
Did I say it was alright? ROTS is pretty dark too. But it's not as brutal and it's in a fantasy setting, and I think that's reflected in the non-R rating.

barbelith
08-21-2008, 08:58 AM
What does that have to do with anything? Revenge of the Sith and Indiana Jones were PG13 and have toys. Hell, R rated Terminator had figures on the shelf at Walmart.

If you honestly believe elementary school children should be watching The Dark Knight then there's nothing else to talk about here. And well done for not actually addressing the heart of my comment.


I'm not sure why you are on this board, you do nothing but disagree with people.

Except all the times I don't, obviously. But interesting cry for mob mentality you've got going on there. Or is it just anti-intellectualism?

The Josh
08-21-2008, 03:05 PM
Actually I agree that it's weird that there are so many toys out for The Dark Knight, considering how, you know, dark it is. Most of the kids who are the targets of the toys probably shouldn't be seeing it, in my opinion.

Yeah, TDK is too dark really for kids at these age groups. There's a lot in there that a kid under 13 probably shouldn't be seeing but I'm not their parent so......