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CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 09:07 PM
No more thread hijacks. Debate here....

And here....we....GO!

I like the HT the best...DC's isnt bad, but he's too tall, and the clothing is meh....

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:11 PM
Overall, Hot Toys.

Best accessory number and variety - DCDirect.

Best likeness - DCDirect (with Les' alterations.)

Best clothing - Hot Toys

Best paint - Hot Toys, while not accurate, it looks better than the sloppy DCD one.

Best companion pieces - Hot Toys (Batman BB and TDK, Batpod, Batmobile)

Really if the HT hair could be translpanted on the DCD head, that would be the perfect Joker head, and HT already pretty much has the perfect outfit (just switch red lining to orange).

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:13 PM
Well companion pieces is a seperate issue. But we all know who is winning this thread in a Hot Toys dominated forum. It's like going over to Green Bay and asking who do you like better, the Bears or the Packers. I respect Buttmunch, but dude ... clothing, paint make the HT the better piece compared to superior likeness and accessory? Huh? Companion pieces has nothing to do with comparing two products based on a character. With that said, the HT Batman can be displayed with the Joker. They're the same scale.

a-dev
08-02-2008, 09:15 PM
Neither. We'll have to wait for Hot toys version 2.

The current Hot toys is a great looking figure but, having seen the film, it turns out that facial likeness is really important and it fails on that score.

DCD has a better face sculpt but the paint looks Hasbro-like, the hair is flat, the clothes are inferior and its the wrong scale.

good title for the poll btw.

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:16 PM
Well companion pieces is a seperate issue. But we all know who is winning this thread in a Hot Toys dominated forum. It's like going over to Green Bay and asking who do you like better, the Bears or the Packers.

Last I checked, this was a Sideshow dominated forum.

We simply view Hot Toys superior to DCDirect. I won't lie the likeness is better on them (its a scan, not a sculpt made from scratch) but that is really the only thing. Yeah some of their accessories would be nice too, but its the figure we all want to buy, not the accessories.

CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 09:16 PM
Im sure if the HT Joker was the DC Direct, and DC was HT, people would pick DC's. Its not a fan thing, its just a lot of people belive HT is a better figure....

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:17 PM
Neither. We'll have to wait for Hot toys version 2.

The current Hot toys is a great looking figure but, having seen the film, it turns out that facial likeness is really important and it fails on that score.

DCD has a better face sculpt but the paint looks Hasbro-like, the hair is flat, the clothes are inferior and its the wrong scale.

Well said! I too am sure V2 will be the best, but it might be a variant like Nurse Joker or missing his jacket and gloves as in a Jail Joker. Just like Jack Sparrow, you'll have to get them all to make your own perfect figure by mixing and matching.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:17 PM
So you're choosing a figure's clothes and paint for $150 OVER LIKENESS? Uhh ... ok.

CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 09:18 PM
Yes. Yes I am. I also love the sculpt of the HT Joker. It captures the roughness perfectly.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:20 PM
No, no it really doesn't. It looks nothing like TDK Joker. It looks like Jim Carrey's Grinch. The likeness isn't even close to DC Direct's sculpt.

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:21 PM
So you're choosing a figure's clothes and paint for $150 OVER LIKENESS? Uhh ... ok.

Well the likeness shouldn't be the ONLY thing you buy a figure for. If that was the case, many people would never buy a Hasbro 3 3/4" figure.

OVERALL though, the HT is better. Yes the head is better on DCD (with Les' added hair), but that is really it. Although I wouldn't mind paying DCD prices for a HT figure!

$90 for a poorly painted likeness isn't a good choice either. ;)

Memnoch
08-02-2008, 09:23 PM
No, no it really doesn't. It looks nothing like TDK Joker. It looks like Jim Carrey's Grinch. The handcrafted likeness isn't even close to DC Direct's scan.

There ya go, fixed a few errors ya made.

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:24 PM
No, no it really doesn't. It looks nothing like TDK Joker. It looks like Jim Carrey's Grinch. The likeness isn't even close to DC Direct's sculpt.

Take in mind this was probably sculpted months before any really good reference pics were available. That is why it is out NOW instead of 6 or more months from the film's release like Iron Man is going to be. DCD's is a scan of Heath Ledger's face, so it has no excuse but to look exactly like him. Its not really fair to compair a hand-sculpted head to a laser scan of the actual actor. The scan will always be better.

But you have to admit, HT has better hair than DCD.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:26 PM
You just said the DC Direct has the most accurate likeness. Likeness is the most important factor in a movie related toy. Clothing and paint make no difference if the likeness sucks. And the HT likeness is atrocious. "Hey fellas, check my Joker figure's clothes. I know it doesn't look like the Joker, but man look at the clothes." ... haha

And after seeing the finalized toy, the clothing doesn't look as superior the way it did in those initial prototype pictures. In fact, I don't even think there's a true difference. One person who bought the HT Joker said his vest didn't even stay shut cause it had cheap velcro. haha

I'm going to spend $150 for a doll's clothes.

hairlesswookiee
08-02-2008, 09:26 PM
hmm...i stated my opinion in the other thread. but considering Hot Toys is just a better figure maker than DC Direct overall I'm biased and will always side with them most of the time just because they actually hand craft their sculpts....so that is where the money goes.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:27 PM
There ya go, fixed a few errors ya made.

Which just goes to show why DC's Joker looks EXACTLY like Heath Ledger's Joker. And HT's looks like well ... whatever it's supposed to look like but it definetely isn't the Joker from The Dark Knight.

:rotfl

CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 09:27 PM
And another BIG BIG BIG BIG factor is, the DC Joker is WAY to freaking big. He wont fit with ANY of my other figures. So...there ya go.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:29 PM
HT's has better hair, better socks (DC's has none, but HT's isn't accurate), and it has the accurate knife.

THAT'S ALL.

And it costs $150. haha

I don't even know how you fellas can justify that to yourselves, then try to argue for it being a better figure of a character from a movie that it looks NOTHING like. Sculpted with few reference pics or not. Did they not see all the black eye makeup on the Joker in every photo released?

Memnoch
08-02-2008, 09:30 PM
Which just goes to show why DC's Joker looks EXACTLY like Heath Ledger's Joker. And HT's looks like well ... whatever it's supposed to look like but it definetely isn't the Joker from The Dark Knight.

:rotfl

Well why you may prefer a 13 inch figure with an odd paint job and junk tailoring, I'll take my HT Joker with a nice headsculpt, nice paint and killer outfit.

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:32 PM
You just said the DC Direct has the most accurate likeness. Likeness is the most important factor in a movie related toy. Clothing and paint make no difference if the likeness sucks. And the HT likeness is atrocious. "Hey fellas, check my Joker figure's clothes. I know it doesn't look like the Joker, but man look at the clothes." ... haha

And after seeing the finalized toy, the clothing doesn't look as superior the way it did in those initial prototype pictures. In fact, I don't even think there's a true difference. One person who bought the HT Joker said his vest didn't even stay shut cause it had cheap velcro. haha

I'm going to spend $150 for a doll's clothes.

Actually clothing and paint make a HUGE difference. That is why everyone is choosing the HT figure over the DCD figure. Even the best of sculpts can be ruined by a poor paint job, which the DCD head is a victim of.

The overall FEEL of the Dark Knight Joker is in the HT figure. He will be instantly recognizable as the Joker, is there any doubts there? Sure, as you said, the likeness isn't as accurate, but hair is, and that really helps sell part of the likeness. The DCD head's hair is way to FLAT to be accurate.

I'd rather spend $150 for doll's clothes and an acceptable likeness than $90 for a great likness and unacceptable clothes and oversized body.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:32 PM
Have fun with that $150 "nice outfit" ... haha

Spliff
08-02-2008, 09:34 PM
I'd say the HT Joker beats it in all categories. The HS? I don't care if it doesn't look like Ledger, because for 98% of the movie I couldn't even see LEDGER there. So it doesn't bother me, not to mention it's not typical DCD shoddiness, and the Joker having no expression in his face what-so-ever is a deal killer.

The tailoring/clothes on the HT blow DCD out of the water for me as well. Not only that, but the DCD Joker has some insanely long legs, making it Jack Skellington Joker for me.

Not only that, but I hate the DCD body alot...while the only thing I hate on the true-type are the shoulders.

I already bought Joker an RPG, so I need to get him a sawed-off, his pistol, and the machine gun he has in the truck scene.

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:34 PM
Have fun with that $150 "nice outfit" ... haha

And you with your $90 headsculpt. :lol

Memnoch
08-02-2008, 09:34 PM
And I'm done discussing this debate. We'll have to agree to disagree.haha


Heyyy... doesn't that quote look familar? It should, it's you in another thread.

CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 09:35 PM
I'd say the HT Joker beats it in all categories. The HS? I don't care if it doesn't look like Ledger, because for 98% of the movie I couldn't even see LEDGER there. So it doesn't bother me, not to mention it's not typical DCD shoddiness, and the Joker having no expression in his face what-so-ever is a deal killer.

The tailoring/clothes on the HT blow DCD out of the water for me as well. Not only that, but the DCD Joker has some insanely long legs, making it Jack Skellington Joker for me.

Not only that, but I hate the DCD body alot...while the only thing I hate on the true-type are the shoulders.

I already bought Joker an RPG, so I need to get him a sawed-off, his pistol, and the machine gun he has in the truck scene.

:cool: agreed. Spliff helped me decide which one was better for my money...and im thankful for it.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:36 PM
I think this thread was made for that purpose, though.

CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 09:36 PM
It was..........

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:38 PM
Debate over! Les' altered DCD scupt with CUSTOM clothing:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER023.jpg



HEATH LEDGER AS THE JOKER from The Dark Knight
Original custom figure, by Les Walker and BillyB
Using some DC Direct Joker figure parts

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER020.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER021.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER025.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER029.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER031.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER032.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER018.jpg

Memnoch
08-02-2008, 09:38 PM
So let sleeping dogs lie and go enjoy your DCD Joker while the majority here will enjoy their HT Joker.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:38 PM
So it was meant for banter about which Joker was better and I wasn't supposed to participate, even though this thread was IMMEDIETELY spawned after I made a post addressing CelticP? And I was supposed to just sit on the sideline? It's obvious what the results of the poll were going to be amongst a predominately biased crowd here for the Hot Toys Joker.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:40 PM
So let sleeping dogs lie and go enjoy your DCD Joker while the majority here will enjoy their HT Joker.

What does majority have to do with anything? The majority of Germans in the late 1930's and early 40's elected Adolph Hitlet into power. The majority isn't the end all be all or in this case mean one choice is better than the other. DC Direct is cheaper and looks the like the character. The other is a more expensive piece that doesn't look like the character.

OSCORP
08-02-2008, 09:40 PM
A thread to decide that one person thinks that the DC one is better? LOL.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:41 PM
A thread to decide that one person thinks that the DC one is better? LOL.

Do you have a personal problem with me, kid?

Memnoch
08-02-2008, 09:41 PM
What does majority have to do with anything? The majority of Germans in the late 1930's and early 40's elected Adolph Hitlet into power. The majority isn't the end all be all or in this case mean one choice is better than the other. DC Direct is cheaper and looks the like the character. The other is a more expensive piece that doesn't look like the character.

Wow... a Nazi analogy? Just... wow.

OSCORP
08-02-2008, 09:42 PM
Do you have a personal problem with me, kid?


No idiots don't bother me over the internet webs

Check yourself!

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:43 PM
No idiots don't bother me.

LOL ... :rotfl

You're talking this into personal realm? Over a figure we're discussing?

That neccessary, heh? You mad? haha

:rotfl

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:44 PM
I'm fine with Just A Freak disagreeing with us. That is his right and his opinion, but compairing us to NAZIS is a bit too much.

The Craw
08-02-2008, 09:45 PM
you know what i hate more than debates like this? freakin batman loving newbies that seem to be flocking to this site ever since these figures were announced with their clever batman related user names and avatar's and sigs. DCD joker looks nothing and i mean nothing like heath ledger. it looks like some guy who just stepped out of the shower with wet hair and somehow got a fat lip.

Just A Freak
08-02-2008, 09:45 PM
I'm fine with Just A Freak disagreeing with us. That is his right and his opinion, but compairing us to NAZIS is a bit too much.

I wasn't making a comparison with Nazis. I was saying majority rule doesn't neccessarily mean one is "right" ... this is afterall a matter of opinion. I'm not demeaning any of you on a personal level.

OSCORP
08-02-2008, 09:46 PM
LOL ... :rotfl

You're talking this into personal realm? Over a figure we're discussing?

That neccessary, heh? You mad? haha

:rotfl


You're the one that's been trolling the past few days and were all a little tired of it.

besides it's just one big..







http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Dawnthief/Baseball_fail.jpg

CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 09:46 PM
A thread to decide that one person thinks that the DC one is better? LOL.

Well it ended up in every thread, so....why not.

OSCORP
08-02-2008, 09:47 PM
Well it ended up in every thread, so....why not.

Ignore!?

:lecture

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:48 PM
you know what i hate more than debates like this? freakin batman loving newbies that seem to be flocking to this site ever since these figures were announced with their clever batman related user names and avatar's and sigs. DCD joker looks nothing and i mean nothing like heath ledger. it looks like some guy who just stepped out of the shower with wet hair and somehow got a fat lip.

That better not have been aimed at me ;) I've been a member since the old EZBOARD! Beat that :D

The Craw
08-02-2008, 09:48 PM
this thread will be gone by morning anyway. seriously why is this guy coming into every batman thread preaching about DCD direct joker? give it a rest already.

hairlesswookiee
08-02-2008, 09:49 PM
you know what i hate more than debates like this? freakin batman loving newbies that seem to be flocking to this site ever since these figures were announced with their clever batman related user names and avatar's and sigs. DCD joker looks nothing and i mean nothing like heath ledger. it looks like some guy who just stepped out of the shower with wet hair and somehow got a fat lip.

^^^what he said.

The Craw
08-02-2008, 09:49 PM
That better not have been aimed at me ;) I've been a member since the old EZBOARD! Beat that :Dyou're cool in my book buttmunch.:duff

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:49 PM
I wasn't making a comparison with Nazis. I was saying majority rule doesn't neccessarily mean one is "right" ... this is afterall a matter of opinion. I'm not demeaning any of you on a personal level.

Wether you meant to or not, it still was a comparison to Nazis.

OSCORP
08-02-2008, 09:50 PM
Hot Toys http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/polls/bar2.gifhttp://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/polls/bar2-r.gifhttp://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/clear.gif 22 (http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=797) 95.65% DC Direct. http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/polls/bar3.gifhttp://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/polls/bar3-r.gifhttp://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/clear.gif 1 (http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=797) 4.35%

http://gonzo.uni-weimar.de/%7Egleisber/Grafik/Foren/owned/owned09.jpg

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:51 PM
you're cool in my book buttmunch.:duff

I thought I was cool in everyone's book? :D

Just kidding, :duff

hairlesswookiee
08-02-2008, 09:51 PM
That better not have been aimed at me ;) I've been a member since the old EZBOARD! Beat that :D

lol... i remember those days. i didn't register until after the upgrade but i used to visit and watch back in the days.

customizerwannabe
08-02-2008, 09:51 PM
http://www.4to40.com/images/legends/winstonchurchill/winston_churchill.jpg

Add makeup. Roll back a few decades, and there's the DCD Joker.

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:52 PM
lol... i remember those days. i didn't register until after the upgrade but i used to visit and watch back in the days.

:lol Cool! Those were the days.

OSCORP
08-02-2008, 09:53 PM
Ya know this POS kid is PM'n me threatening to "whoop my ass"


Time for IGGY!

CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Seriously? Wow....ok.

Memnoch
08-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Ya know this POS kid is PM'n me threatening to "whoop my ass"


Time for IGGY!

Haha think it's time for the Ban Hammer. Remember kids, Don't Feed the Trolls.

Spliff
08-02-2008, 09:55 PM
Hey, atleast the figure didn't turn out as bad as the statue. I was looking forward to the statue. :(

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 09:55 PM
Ya know this POS kid is PM'n me threatening to "whoop my ass"


Time for IGGY!

Let a Mod know, PM threats aren't tolerated.

laudanum09
08-02-2008, 09:56 PM
dcd=decent to mediocre quality overall
hot toys=great quality overall

you can nitpick individual details but hot toys makes a better quality figure in general. if i wanted a nice resemblance to heath ledger i'd buy a poster of him or just the dcd head. which is referred constantly to 'sculpt' as if someone sat there with their time and patience and made it. it was a computer scan that spits out a mold. and its absolutely 1 dimensional in terms of his facial expression. a better resemblance to heath just doesn't make up for anything else thats wrong with the dcd. where the hot toys resemblance is mediocre, its paint aps, attention to detail and overall quality far surpasses dcd. i think hot toys made a better head in general, despite the resemlance issues. not only that, but i think 80-90 bucks for that dcd is just plain robbery.

and i find it funny that there needs to be such a debate. as if incessantly complaining about the lack of facial accuracy is going to change people's minds or turn people over to dcd to prove you're right with your purchase. i just dont see the point of reiterating it.

The Craw
08-02-2008, 09:56 PM
Ya know this POS kid is PM'n me threatening to "whoop my ass"


Time for IGGY!
good ban the idiot. they can ban a few more while they are at it. seriously this board is pissing me off lately. first i cant read the SW cuz of all the whining and now i cant get through the batman threads either. when a thread says pics, i want pics not the same person making the same negative points 100 times.

CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 09:57 PM
Im gonna change my Avi anyway...so...dont worry.

OSCORP
08-02-2008, 09:59 PM
good ban the idiot. they can ban a few more while they are at it. seriously this board is pissing me off lately. first i cant read the SW cuz of all the whining and now i cant get through the batman threads either. when a thread says pics, i want pics not the same person making the same negative points 100 times.

Try not to let it bother ya craw. The SW section and so on. Do you like what you buy? Then it don't matter, they can ^^^^^ and nitpick all day but when i look and my shelf that's all that matters.

Remember it's just the internet. 10 years ago most of us weren't even on the internets yet LOL

DarkArtist81
08-02-2008, 09:59 PM
Well, I think that the HT Joker is the best available on the market. The clothing alone is worth it, and with the PLETHORA of Joker heads available... a very badass custom can be made to help it reach true accuracy. The DCD head only has the scan to brag about, and with what Les did to help it... it's the best likeness out there.

If anyone thinks this looks like Winston Churchill, they must need glasses. :lol

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k203/DarkArtist81/Customs2/DSCN4660.jpg

The Craw
08-02-2008, 10:00 PM
Try not to let it bother ya craw. The SW section and so on. Do you like what you buy? Then it don't matter, they can ^^^^^ and nitpick all day but when i look and my shelf that's all that matters.

Remember it's just the internet. 10 years ago most of us weren't even on the internets yet LOLi know i know. it just sucks when i go into pics threads lately and there arent even pics. there's one pic followed by a broken record of negativity.

Memnoch
08-02-2008, 10:01 PM
i know i know. it just sucks when i go into pics threads lately and there arent even pics. there's one pic followed by a broken record of negativity.

I hear ya Craw. I like pretty much EVERYTHING I own and sometimes I just can't understand all the negativity. Life is too short to freak out over toys.

DarkArtist81
08-02-2008, 10:02 PM
I know what you mean Craw... it's pretty negative around here lately... nothing is ever good enough for people anymore.

And whoever it was that got a PM threat, let me know... I will throw down the hammer. :devil

Memnoch
08-02-2008, 10:03 PM
What IS with all the negativity lately? I mean last year at this time we were like one huge family.. now it's like one huge family that wants to kill each other at times. I dunno.. I'm just glad to be getting what I'm getting and I guess it just brings me down when someone starts the yellow rain on my parade of something I really am looking forward to.

customizerwannabe
08-02-2008, 10:04 PM
Well, I think that the HT Joker is the best available on the market. The clothing alone is worth it, and with the PLETHORA of Joker heads available... a very badass custom can be made to help it reach true accuracy. The DCD head only has the scan to brag about, and with what Les did to help it... it's the best likeness out there.

If anyone thinks this looks like Winston Churchill, they must need glasses. :lol

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k203/DarkArtist81/Customs2/DSCN4660.jpg

As we both know Josh...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...as is likeness comparison.:monkey3

laudanum09
08-02-2008, 10:04 PM
you know what i hate more than debates like this? freakin batman loving newbies that seem to be flocking to this site ever since these figures were announced with their clever batman related user names and avatar's and sigs. DCD joker looks nothing and i mean nothing like heath ledger. it looks like some guy who just stepped out of the shower with wet hair and somehow got a fat lip.

im a freakin batman loving newbie that flocked here once the figures were announced :monkey2

and i hope im not worse than this debate, i really do.

Spliff
08-02-2008, 10:05 PM
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER021.jpg

wow, it looks pretty sexy from this angle.

DarkArtist81
08-02-2008, 10:07 PM
As we both know Josh...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...as is likeness comparison.:monkey3

You are certainly right there... I know exactly what you mean man. We all have different tastes and different lenses that we view this world with... nobody sees it the same. I just wish the debates would not turn so ugly, so fast.

Like my last thread, the vigilante thread.... it got so damn evil so quick... I just ended it. :banghead

Lynxje
08-02-2008, 10:08 PM
Everybody knows the Medicom will whoop both the DC and HT figs....
:lol

Just throwing oil on the fire, I got a HT on order and as long as it looks good on the shelf, I couldn't care less if his eyebrows are off, his socks aren't movie-accurate, etc.

CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 10:10 PM
OMG!


Anyway, yeah that repaint is sexy! I dont like that look....but its awesome either way...

The jacket...I dont like it all that much, but everything else is spot on! However, 90 bucks for a head just seems to much for me....

rabidwolverine21
08-02-2008, 10:10 PM
i think you could make a really amazing hybrid of both for the perfect joker figure. I love the dc direct sculpt with les or da paintjob but the clothing on the hot toys is top. for me it comes down to scale but bothe are great figures in their own and it also can help for those with different price ranges.

customizerwannabe
08-02-2008, 10:10 PM
Threads like this are destined for hard feelings and machismo opinion. All in the quest for the perfect Man Dollie. Sometimes you just gotta step back and laugh at yourself for what you find worthy of strong debate. I do!:lol

DarkArtist81
08-02-2008, 10:12 PM
Threads like this are destined for hard feelings and machismo opinion. All in the quest for the perfect Man Dollie. Sometimes you just gotta step back and laugh at yourself for what you find worthy of strong debate. I do!:lol

:rotfl:lol:rotfl:lol:rotfl

You are sooo right man... it's funny to have these conversations sometimes.

CelticPredator
08-02-2008, 10:13 PM
Its fun to read though. :D

rabidwolverine21
08-02-2008, 10:15 PM
Threads like this are destined for hard feelings and machismo opinion. All in the quest for the perfect Man Dollie. Sometimes you just gotta step back and laugh at yourself for what you find worthy of strong debate. I do!:lol

you are right on that one. but in my opinion its the same as baseball fans fighting over who the greatest player alive is.

cerealkeller
08-02-2008, 10:48 PM
I'll put my newbie 2 cents in before bed. I own the DC version and am waiting on the Hot Toys version. I really LIKE the DC version, dont LOVE it. The sculpt(scan) is there, and the accessories are great, but the body and clothes are really cheap. the long coat looks like a bathrobe and the inner coat has to be taken off so he doesn't look like he's on a strict twinkie diet. Plus, I hate the limited wrist articulation. However I can find things to whine about with every figure and ultimately I'm happy with it, just don't love it. From the pics on this board, I can't wait to get the Hot Toys version. The clothes look great and I think the sculpt is really good. Perfect Ledger? No. But looks like the Joker to me and can't wait to experiement with the poses the superior body will give. I also love those socks!

rw23
08-02-2008, 10:49 PM
seriously why is this guy coming into every batman thread preaching about DCD direct joker? give it a rest already.


:clap :clap

Voorhees27
08-02-2008, 11:17 PM
Wow 38-4, pretty close contest. :rolleyes: DCD? pfffffffffffft.

JustinLuck
08-02-2008, 11:35 PM
You guys talk about the scanned DCD, yet I don't see a likeness any better than the HT sculpt. But I haven't seen the film yet either. The reason I prefer the HT sculpt purely based on photos is that it appears to exude more personality.

Buttmunch
08-02-2008, 11:39 PM
You guys talk about the scanned DCD, yet I don't see a likeness any better than the HT sculpt. But I haven't seen the film yet either. The reason I prefer the HT sculpt purely based on photos is that it appears to exude more personality.

See post 28 in this thread. DCD sculpt with some more hair added by Les Walker (and a super repaint by him also).

thenammagazine
08-03-2008, 12:27 AM
Here's DC Directs:
http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/9/6/9617_a_full.jpg

Here's Hot Toys':
http://www.hottoys.com.hk/photo/370DSC_1384a_3x4.jpg


I'd say it's a tie. Neither got a "dead-on" sculpt of Heath. While DC's likeness might be a tad closer, Hot Toys managed to capture the personality and haggart look a lot better. Then there's the details. Hot Toys wins hands down there. From the socks to the wallet chain, it works. Let's also not forget that the Hot Toys body is considerably better (in articulation and scale) than the weird body (cut joints and all) that DC uses for their 1:6 scale line. But hey, if both bother you that much, there's always the Tim Curry version:


http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/9/0/9079_a_full.jpg

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 12:30 AM
God thats hidious.

EVILFACE
08-03-2008, 01:30 AM
Debate over! Les' altered DCD scupt with CUSTOM clothing:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER023.jpg



HEATH LEDGER AS THE JOKER from The Dark Knight
Original custom figure, by Les Walker and BillyB
Using some DC Direct Joker figure parts

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER020.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER021.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER025.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER029.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER031.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER032.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/MYJOKER018.jpg

While Les did his usual awesome job, that figure doesn't mean anything towards the topic of this thread.

Just like we compare the performance of cars against each other, stock vs stock. These figures should be compared as they come out of the box.

Out of the box, the HT trumps the DCD.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 01:37 AM
Yep. ,.............

D'oh!
08-03-2008, 03:47 AM
That comic book Joker would be so much better with a different mouth. Just MUCH less gum, really.

I'm pleased with my DCD version but have yet to see a HT in person. I'm not willing to spend that kind of dough on any figure, but the photos of it do look awesome.

Zoolander
08-03-2008, 04:13 AM
voted Hot toys

Captain Britain
08-03-2008, 04:17 AM
As luck would have it yesterday I received my Hot Toys Joker in the post and then happened to see the DCD version in a shop. I can understand those who say DCD is better because it is a better likeness of Ledger - it was scanned after all - and yet, I much preferred the Hot Toys because the massive amounts of detail compel the eye far more to look at it, and once you're looking at it, you get a serious dose of Joker - you're drawn into the evil in his face. With DCD you just look at it, and that's it - you can admire it for being accurate but it doesn't draw you in. And weirdly, the HT sculpt has more personality than the DCD sculpt - which was taken straight off the actors face!

And in case I haven't made myself clear, the HT Joker is one figure that really does need to be seen in real life to get the full effect - photos don't do it justice, IMHO.

toylion
08-03-2008, 04:27 AM
Only paid $58.49 from DCBS for my DCD Joker, so I voted DCD. Not planning on spending what Hot Toys wants. The sculpt just looks to craggy to me. All those line on his face should be from make coming off the Jokers face not deep wrinkles.

Zoolander
08-03-2008, 04:30 AM
As luck would have it yesterday I received my Hot Toys Joker in the post and then happened to see the DCD version in a shop. I can understand those who say DCD is better because it is a better likeness of Ledger - it was scanned after all - and yet, I much preferred the Hot Toys because the massive amounts of detail compel the eye far more to look at it, and once you're looking at it, you get a serious dose of Joker - you're drawn into the evil in his face. With DCD you just look at it, and that's it - you can admire it for being accurate but it doesn't draw you in. And weirdly, the HT sculpt has more personality than the DCD sculpt - which was taken straight off the actors face!

And in case I haven't made myself clear, the HT Joker is one figure that really does need to be seen in real life to get the full effect - photos don't do it justice, IMHO.

I totally agree, but I am still waiting on my HT joker to arrive, I hope when I see it in person It :rocks even more then looking at the pics.

laudanum09
08-03-2008, 05:04 AM
Only paid $58.49 from DCBS for my DCD Joker, so I voted DCD. Not planning on spending what Hot Toys wants. The sculpt just looks to craggy to me. All those line on his face should be from make coming off the Jokers face not deep wrinkles.

its really not that deep in person, at all. and thats not a bad deal for that dcd joker!

sueworld
08-03-2008, 07:02 AM
*edges in carefully*

Well I like both makes of Joker, but for different reasons.

The HT Joker has the most superb trailering, and when it comes to such a complicated set of clothes he wears, thats quite an important part of the equation really. Also the attention to detail in throughout the figure is amazing. The sculpt on the gloves, how beautifully the hair has been rendered etc.

Sadly, no, it doesn't look much like the actor at all. Also as it's been mentioned before the face has been 'over sculpted' rather which doesn't help matters.

As far as the DC one goes. I very much like the head, even though it suffers from a rather bland finish. It still looks more like Ledger then the HT one does sadly.

The cloths on the CD one are okay, but miles inferior to what HT supplied, but then given the price what do you expect?

The body underneath is appalling, with very, very poor articulation. And of course it doesn't help that the size is so out of scale with other figures.

I'm slowly trying to scrap the money together to get bot, as I want to have a go myself at customizing the DC head.

I made this photoshop image of the DC head just to see what could be done with the DC head if a really good paint job, and a wee bit of re sculpting was done concerning the hair.

I transplanted the HT hair onto the DC head to see how that style of sculpted hair would look. I brought the hairline down somewhat too, as I feel that the there's far too much forehead showing. I also took parts of parts of Ledgers make-up and overlaid it onto the figures head in places to give it more accurate colouring. Bringing the black around his eyes out more etc.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5634/head3kk3.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5643/headhero2hx7.jpg

This shows you that there is a lot of potential in this head, it just needs a good customizer to bring it out, sadly. This would be an ideal version for me, which is pretty much what Les has done with his.

As others on here have said I have high hopes that a V2 HT Joker will be released, and that will have a likeness that will really do the rest of this figure justice.

So to sum up. You get what you pay for and that both figures have their weaknesses and their strengths. :o

Voorhees27
08-03-2008, 10:05 AM
*edges in carefully*

Well I like both makes of Joker, but for different reasons.

The HT Joker has the most superb trailering, and when it comes to such a complicated set of clothes he wears, thats quite an important part of the equation really. Also the attention to detail in throughout the figure is amazing. The sculpt on the gloves, how beautifully the hair has been rendered etc.

Sadly, no, it doesn't look much like the actor at all. Also as it's been mentioned before the face has been 'over sculpted' rather which doesn't help matters.

As far as the DC one goes. I very much like the head, even though it suffers from a rather bland finish. It still looks more like Ledger then the HT one does sadly.

The cloths on the CD one are okay, but miles inferior to what HT supplied, but then given the price what do you expect?

The body underneath is appalling, with very, very poor articulation. And of course it doesn't help that the size is so out of scale with other figures.

I'm slowly trying to scrap the money together to get bot, as I want to have a go myself at customizing the DC head.

I made this photoshop image of the DC head just to see what could be done with the DC head if a really good paint job, and a wee bit of re sculpting was done concerning the hair.

I transplanted the HT hair onto the DC head to see how that style of sculpted hair would look. I brought the hairline down somewhat too, as I feel that the there's far too much forehead showing. I also took parts of parts of Ledgers make-up and overlaid it onto the figures head in places to give it more accurate colouring. Bringing the black around his eyes out more etc.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5634/head3kk3.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/175/headheroxt6.jpg

This shows you that there is a lot of potential in this head, it just needs a good customizer to bring it out, sadly. This would be an ideal version for me, which is pretty much what Les has done with his.

As others on here have said I have high hopes that a V2 HT Joker will be released, and that will have a likeness that will really do the rest of this figure justice.

So to sum up. You get what you pay for and that both figures have their weaknesses and their strengths. :o

Oh wow that looks amazing!

VALVOLINER
08-03-2008, 11:07 AM
Hottoys..No doubt.

And if you ask about the Medicom version.Hottoys wins again.:rolleyes:

Regards

cr0w
08-03-2008, 11:11 AM
Hot Toys. Probably wouldn't have said that a month ago, since I really like the DCD version's headsculpt, but I received my HT version last week and, like a previous poster said, seeing it in person really blows any and all pictures taken of it away. It's a gorgeous figure, and even if it doesn't really look like Ledger, it looks like The Joker.

galactiboy
08-03-2008, 11:57 AM
DC Direct does look more like Ledger, but thats the only plus to me. HT is better for everything else.

Voorhees27
08-03-2008, 11:59 AM
DC Direct does look more like Ledger, but thats the only plus to me. HT is better for everything else.

I'd say other than the mouth and maybe eye balls nothing else looks like Ledger in the DCD sculpt. It does look best i'll admit but its just too cartoonish in the end.

spidermonkey
08-03-2008, 12:00 PM
I think Hot Toys by far, can't wait for mine to come in.

pjam
08-03-2008, 12:13 PM
Hot Toys. Probably wouldn't have said that a month ago, since I really like the DCD version's headsculpt, but I received my HT version last week and, like a previous poster said, seeing it in person really blows any and all pictures taken of it away. It's a gorgeous figure, and even if it doesn't really look like Ledger, it looks like The Joker.

Well ain't that the Truth.

And Welcome cr0w! :welcome

Seasoned Collectors know no pictures can truly represent what a figure looks like in hand.

Judging by the poll, I think we can put this debate to bed. :lol

wofford29
08-03-2008, 12:18 PM
I'd say other than the mouth and maybe eye balls nothing else looks like Ledger in the DCD sculpt. It does look best i'll admit but its just too cartoonish in the end.

That's still better than having nothing that resembles Ledger.

Captain Britain
08-03-2008, 12:23 PM
See, I think the HT Joker is a really special case - it doesn't look much like the character but it is fantastic (much like the 2 in 1 Superman head that looked nothing like Routh but WAS Superman).

If I was the art director and the sculptor presented me with that Joker head there's no way I could have said, sorry, do that again. And when I look at it in hand I can't really say that it's 'over-sculpted' or that I find that much of a problem.

But I can understand why people might prefer a better likeness of Ledger and it's just a shame that most people can never compare the two in hand. Perhaps those who prefer the DCD version based on photographs alone should wait and see if HT do a second Joker (which I'm sure they will given their new tie up with DC). If that meets their needs better than they'll have more money to put towards it - if not, then I'm sure they'll still be able to find the DCD Joker.

kicked in
08-03-2008, 12:27 PM
You just said the DC Direct has the most accurate likeness. Likeness is the most important factor in a movie related toy. Clothing and paint make no difference if the likeness sucks. And the HT likeness is atrocious. "Hey fellas, check my Joker figure's clothes. I know it doesn't look like the Joker, but man look at the clothes." ... haha

And after seeing the finalized toy, the clothing doesn't look as superior the way it did in those initial prototype pictures. In fact, I don't even think there's a true difference. One person who bought the HT Joker said his vest didn't even stay shut cause it had cheap velcro. haha

I'm going to spend $150 for a doll's clothes.

If likeness is everything and the body doesn't matter, I think you overpaid.

http://host.trivialbeing.org/up/small/tdk-apr2-joker-knocker-necadarkknight1.jpg

Just A Freak
08-03-2008, 12:32 PM
The Hot Toys Joker resembles Heath's Joker more than that bobble head. As does the Movie Masters Joker, and maybe even the 5 inch kid line Joker.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 12:37 PM
Now your being silly. The 5" doesnt resemble anything at all.

The Monster
08-03-2008, 12:40 PM
Hot Toys & DC Direct I love them both!!!!!!!:D

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 12:42 PM
NO! YOU MUST LOVE ONE! OR ELSE THE DISCUSSION FAAAAIIIILLLLLSSSSSssss1111

customizerwannabe
08-03-2008, 12:47 PM
Who in the hell cares if it looks just like Ledger?? I want a cool looking Joker that symbolizes the DC character. Not necessarily one that pays exact likeness homage to the actor who played him.

MaulFan
08-03-2008, 12:50 PM
Who in the hell cares if it looks just like Ledger??

If your ideal is to have a figure that best resembles the Joker as seen in the movie The Dark Knight, then looking like Ledger's Joker in the face is pivotal.

If you just want a cool Joker figure that embodies the spirit of the character and loosely bases it's look off the film incarnation, then it doesn't matter.

It all comes down to what you want from the figure you own, which is why it's great that for every Batman film 1/6 figure, there have been at least 3 makers of each costume or character that's out there, plenty of options where 90% of the collecting community can find one to satisfy them.

wofford29
08-03-2008, 12:52 PM
Who in the hell cares if it looks just like Ledger?? I want a cool looking Joker that symbolizes the DC character. Not necessarily one that pays exact likeness homage to the actor who played him.

Which the Hot Toys doesn't accomplish either:monkey1



In all seriousness, I'll take a hybrid. I can't wait until the inevitable 2nd release Joker comes out with an all new head sculpt and everyone starts the "OMG! This puts the old Joker to shame posts. The old one didn't even look like him compared to this new one."

MaulFan
08-03-2008, 12:56 PM
In all seriousness, I'll take a hybrid. I can't wait until the inevitable 2nd release Joker comes out with an all new head sculpt and everyone starts the "OMG! This puts the old Joker to shame posts. The old one didn't even look like him compared to this new one."

There should be comments like that. For an interesting looking figure and for the photographic possibilities, I like the devious facial expression of the Hot Toys Joker, but it is not representative of the film character. Now that the movie's been seen, HT should have a good sense of the character and select a facial expression and makeup scheme that is more faithful to the movie character.

Wor-Gar
08-03-2008, 12:57 PM
In all seriousness, I'll take a hybrid. I can't wait until the inevitable 2nd release Joker comes out with an all new head sculpt and everyone starts the "OMG! This puts the old Joker to shame posts. The old one didn't even look like him compared to this new one."

That's probably true...much like they did with Jack Sparrow.

V2 HT Joker will be the best sculpt ever. That's how HT makes it's repeat business.

But certainly for those of us who bought this Joker, the v2 will be missing some key component, like the jacket or something. Maybe it will be interrogation Joker without jacket and with normal hands.

MaulFan
08-03-2008, 01:03 PM
Way I figure, knowing HT's practices, the next Joker, and I do imagine there will be a next Joker, will be like Cannibal Jack Sparrow, a loose 2 in 1 concept with the Bank Robbery setup. They'll make 2 heads, because for him to look right with the mask on will require a specific hair style to fit it on, or they'll just sculpt the mask on so they don't have to sculpt an underlying face, and then a regular face for once he's removed the mask.

The Monster
08-03-2008, 01:30 PM
NO! YOU MUST LOVE ONE! OR ELSE THE DISCUSSION FAAAAIIIILLLLLSSSSSssss1111

Ok CelticP, If I could only buy one of them Hot Toys is the winner.:D

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 01:52 PM
Yey! !1.......

customizerwannabe
08-03-2008, 02:37 PM
Which the Hot Toys doesn't accomplish either:monkey1



In all seriousness, I'll take a hybrid. I can't wait until the inevitable 2nd release Joker comes out with an all new head sculpt and everyone starts the "OMG! This puts the old Joker to shame posts. The old one didn't even look like him compared to this new one."

Better idea. Don't buy any and you'll be happier.

Just A Freak
08-03-2008, 03:08 PM
Who in the hell cares if it looks just like Ledger?? I want a cool looking Joker that symbolizes the DC character. Not necessarily one that pays exact likeness homage to the actor who played him.
No one is asking for a figure in honor of Heath Ledger. We want the best TDK Joker figure that has visible likeness to Heath as he potrayed the Joker. There have been some figures that accomplish this such as the DC Direct head sculpt, the Movie Master Joker, etc. No one is asking for Heath in plastic, cause that isn't TDK Joker. But the essence of Heath's image and facial features has to be there.

Just A Freak
08-03-2008, 03:09 PM
Now your being silly. The 5" doesnt resemble anything at all.

The 5 inch figure is a cartoon-ized version of Heath's Joker. In fact his expression w/o the detailed mouth scar looks SPOT ON to that theatrical poster of Joker holding up the Joker card with Batman on it.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:11 PM
Im holding it now...it holds no resemblence to The Joker at all. A Joker yes...but The Joker...no.

Just A Freak
08-03-2008, 03:14 PM
I'll have to disagree. I'm not saying it's close to the likeness of some of the other products that we've seen but to me ... I see some likeness in there, it's just cartoon-ized version of his image. Just like the BEGINS 5 inch version of Liam Neeson's Ra's Al Ghul. It looks like him but in a cartoon like look.

customizerwannabe
08-03-2008, 03:19 PM
I could honestly live with any of the reditions out there if they were the only one available. As there are choices I prefer the HT but I may end up with the DCD as well for a little variety.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:21 PM
HEATH INCARNATE!

http://www.cooltoyreview.com/TF2008/Mattel/TDK/IMG_4314.JPG

Voorhees27
08-03-2008, 03:21 PM
The poll reads 84-14 in favour of HT, I think the majority can confirm which one is better and by a MASSIVE margin too.

DCD was the only company that had an actual Ledger scan and still lost the poll, what does that tell you? :D

OSCORP
08-03-2008, 03:22 PM
The poll reads 84-14 in favour of HT, I think the majority can confirm which one is better and by a MASSIVE margin too.

DCD was the only company that had an actual Ledger scan and still lost the poll, what does that tell you? :D


Thread over!

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:24 PM
It'll be over on 9-9-08...teehee!

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:24 PM
The poll reads 84-14 in favour of HT, I think the majority can confirm which one is better and by a MASSIVE margin too.

DCD was the only company that had an actual Ledger scan and still lost the poll, what does that tell you? :D

That a head cant make the figure perfect?

Just A Freak
08-03-2008, 03:27 PM
The world's most expensive non-accurate movie toy. And they sucked 84 people to drop $150 + for it. haha

They'll be laughing like the Joker all the way to the piggy bank.

Voorhees27
08-03-2008, 03:28 PM
That a head cant make the figure perfect?

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/8/3/f_bingologom_2cd4bcf.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/8/3/f_bingologom_2cd4bcf.jpg&srv=img37)

Voorhees27
08-03-2008, 03:29 PM
The world's most expensive non-accurate movie toy. And they sucked 84 people to drop $150 + for it. haha

They'll be laughing like the Joker all the way to the piggy bank.

The whole point of my post was that 84 or sorry now its 86 - 14 CAN'T BE WRONG! Sorry dude you are the minority but hey what ever makes you happy right?

Just A Freak
08-03-2008, 03:30 PM
Majority / Minority? It was obvious who was going to win this poll. LOL ... damn obvious. All of you got suckered into paying for this crap figure months ago.

customizerwannabe
08-03-2008, 03:32 PM
Lock this thread and shut this guy up.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:33 PM
Hmmm...I payed for it a week ago...people had it in their hands when I ordered mine. Dont regret it because I think he's awesome.

Just A Freak
08-03-2008, 03:34 PM
Maybe you can get your money's worth. Keep it out around Christmas because of the un-canny likeness to Jim Carrey's The Grinch.

MaulFan
08-03-2008, 03:35 PM
Majority / Minority? It was obvious who was going to win this poll. LOL ... damn obvious. All of you got suckered into paying for this crap figure months ago.

No one got suckered into anything. People that pre-ordered the HT Joker got it becuase it delivered to them something they wanted. If it didn't meet their wishes, they wouldn't have gone after it.

DCD Joker looks ok, but after my dissappointment with the DCD Batman Begins figure, I have no desire to spend anything more than $20 on one of their figures becuase that's how nice it felt to me. Despite the visual look the quality just felt lacking.

I didn't order the HT Joker because it was a perfect embodiment of Ledger's Joker, I ordered it because it's a great looking figure derived from Ledger's Joker.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:36 PM
Maybe you can get your money's worth. Keep it out around Christmas because of the un-canny likeness to Jim Carrey's The Grinch.

I will. :banana

Just A Freak
08-03-2008, 03:36 PM
Ok, and thats fine MaulFan ... I get you. I bought the DC Direct BEGINS Batman too and it was a piece of crap.

Voorhees27
08-03-2008, 03:38 PM
No one got suckered into anything. People that pre-ordered the HT Joker got it becuase it delivered to them something they wanted. If it didn't meet their wishes, they wouldn't have gone after it.

DCD Joker looks ok, but after my dissappointment with the DCD Batman Begins figure, I have no desire to spend anything more than $20 on one of their figures becuase that's how nice it felt to me. Despite the visual look the quality just felt lacking.

I didn't order the HT Joker because it was a perfect embodiment of Ledger's Joker, I ordered it because it's a great looking figure derived from Ledger's Joker.

You do realize this is what "Collector Freak" is doing right now, don't you?

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/3/8/3/f_InOneEarandm_e1f0346.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/8/3/f_InOneEarandm_e1f0346.jpg&srv=img29)

Just A Freak
08-03-2008, 03:40 PM
Why pay $50 more for a figure that doesn't look like the Joker in the film?

This logic is just so flawed... This "Get the Hoy Toys because it's better fittin clothes"???? What the hell? What's the point of having a well taillored figure when the head isn't right? As far as I'm concerned, thats where it starts... Then you worry about the other stuff.

I guess I just don't see things the same as some of you folks... Because for the life of me I can't imagine over looking the head just to have better colored gloves or better fitting jackett or some nonsense...

Let them sell out... Get the DCD. And don't have to explain why you bought a figure that doesn't look like the character in the film just to have a better fitting coat.

galactiboy
08-03-2008, 03:41 PM
Well you want to talk about getting moneys worth, I spent around $200 for the custom Nicholson Joker V2 (knowing the headsculpt was poo), and after I got him I spent extra $$$ for the phenomenal custom Joker head from Les. That extra head made the figure go from a 7 or 8 to a 10.

And, that's my plan for this one as well. Sometimes you got to spend a little extra to get the best possible figure.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:41 PM
Why pay $50 more for a figure that doesn't look like the Joker in the film?

This logic is just so flawed... This "Get the Hoy Toys because it's better fittin clothes"???? What the hell? What's the point of having a well taillored figure when the head isn't right? As far as I'm concerned, thats where it starts... Then you worry about the other stuff.

I guess I just don't see things the same as some of you folks... Because for the life of me I can't imagine over looking the head just to have better colored gloves or better fitting jackett or some nonsense...

Let them sell out... Get the DCD. And don't have to explain why you bought a figure that doesn't look like the character in the film just to have a better fitting coat.

I also want it to fit in with my collection. The DC wont. So there for, I dont want it.

MaulFan
08-03-2008, 03:45 PM
I don't see the appeal in the manufactured DCD figure, but some folks like it, doesn't devalue their favor, just difference in opinions.

To me, the only standout element of the DCD figure is the laser scanned face of Heath Ledger, but the paint apps are Mattel-esque, the hair doesn't bear any resemblance to the style of ledger in the film and the body proportions are too tall/skinny looking, he almost looks like Chewbacca in a suit the way the proportions are. I don't see anything visually apealing about the DCD figure. Dead on to Ledger in TDK or not, I find the Hot Toys figure to be a fantastic looking collectible whose appearance is what drew me into buying it. I like collecting Batman figures and I like the HT Joker to have as a Joker figure. I didn't buy it for it's accurracy, I just saw a figure that really impressed me that I wanted to add to my collection.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:45 PM
Once again, its too big to fit in with my collection.

customizerwannabe
08-03-2008, 03:46 PM
Why in the hell would a company be stupid enought to start a 13" figure line that fits in with no other 1/6 collections?? Especially a line of such mediocre quality.

MaulFan
08-03-2008, 03:49 PM
Why in the hell would a company be stupid enought to start a 13" figure line that fits in with no other 1/6 collections?? Especially a line of such mediocre quality.

It seems like a number of company's concern themselves only with their own lines. They want people to collect their product and don't care if they integrate with other products their consumers may own. I think the smart ones know that they'll reach people more easily if they make their products blend with other lines of the sort.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:50 PM
Hence why DCD Joker sucks. There.

MaulFan
08-03-2008, 03:52 PM
DCD, Medicom and Hot Toys Joker all suck equally because only 1 really holds favor with people and the other 2 will always suck to them.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:54 PM
Mattel FTW?

MaulFan
08-03-2008, 03:56 PM
Mattel FTW?

Mattel doesn't have a 1/6 scale Joker. I kinda wish they had done a 12" version of their MM Joker like they did with their Batman, just to see how it turned out.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 03:57 PM
Uhm....erm....uh.....no more Jokers left then?

Spliff
08-03-2008, 04:01 PM
OMG OPINIONS.

I think people need to let people like what they want to like, and to stop being such judgemental assclowns.

We're all geeks here, stop with geek elitism!!

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 04:06 PM
Indeeeeeeeeeeed.

zahal
08-03-2008, 04:07 PM
............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

mr.fan
08-03-2008, 04:08 PM
you know what i hate more than debates like this? freakin batman loving newbies that seem to be flocking to this site ever since these figures were announced with their clever batman related user names and avatar's and sigs. DCD joker looks nothing and i mean nothing like heath ledger. it looks like some guy who just stepped out of the shower with wet hair and somehow got a fat lip.

agreed.

Mr ?
08-03-2008, 05:01 PM
Mattel doesn't have a 1/6 scale Joker. I kinda wish they had done a 12" version of their MM Joker like they did with their Batman, just to see how it turned out.

Me too, of course with the way Mattel got their MM product out a 12" Joker might have been relegated to urban myth status.:D

Reinhardt
08-03-2008, 05:03 PM
I say Hot Toys all the way... but we need side by side pics for everyone to be on board.

MaulFan
08-03-2008, 05:06 PM
Me too, of course with the way Mattel got their MM product out a 12" Joker might have been relegated to urban myth status.:D

What do you mean?

Les Walker
08-03-2008, 05:22 PM
This is easy. Hot Toys, BUT...
The base head on the DCD is somewhat more accurate as most here have pointed out, and I like the pistol and cards and shoes and tie accessories better on the DCD. Otherwise...as a released figure, HT.
But, I like the Medicom also. It has it's merits.

Darth_Fatso
08-03-2008, 07:03 PM
While I like em both, I have yet to see either in person so going by the pictures I have seen, I have to go with HT. Even though the DCD is a scan of Ledger therefor more accurate,the way the hair is sculpted makes him look very little like Joker in TDK in my eyes and the scars and wrinkles are to subtile making him look basically like Heath Ledger in clown make-up rather than Joker (though I think with a proper paint job the scars and such can be brough out). The height kills it for me however and he looks to serious. As for the HT Joker it's just the opposite, the scars/wrinkles on his forhead are too defined and too many making him appear to be really old however he still retains enough likeness to the Joker seen in TDK to to satisfy me and the superior clothing and accessories seal the deal. Again though neither are perfect so I'm hoping that HT and/or DCD decide to make a second more accurate version down the line.

lkhoe
08-03-2008, 07:11 PM
I cannot comment about DCD, but I did get HT joker over the weekend, and its a great figure... just not a good "TDK Heath" joker.

Furthermore, I had this urgent need to repaint (more like paint the panda circles) and I did. I wouldn't normally do this, but I had my own interpretation on how the paint should look, just like some of you may have.

If I had a choice, I would get all three jokers. Only thing that interests me for DCD, is the clown mask. Anybody got pics of HT joker wearing DCD's clown mask?

a-dev
08-03-2008, 07:53 PM
Why pay $50 more for a figure that doesn't look like the Joker in the film?

This logic is just so flawed... This "Get the Hoy Toys because it's better fittin clothes"???? What the hell? What's the point of having a well taillored figure when the head isn't right? As far as I'm concerned, thats where it starts... Then you worry about the other stuff.

I guess I just don't see things the same as some of you folks... Because for the life of me I can't imagine over looking the head just to have better colored gloves or better fitting jackett or some nonsense...

Let them sell out... Get the DCD. And don't have to explain why you bought a figure that doesn't look like the character in the film just to have a better fitting coat.


I agree with your Grinch facial comparison however my reasons for going hot toys are as follows:

A) I'm anticipating a 2nd Joker figure from them that will no doubt be superior, have a better likeness, new accessories, yet also lack one or two things from this first release so that those who buy this one don't feel totally cheated. It will also increase Hot toys odds of selling the 2nd edition to completists like me. It may be cynical and I may be a fool but in 2 expensive figures I will be able to create a (hopefully) close to perfect Joker. Better to not buy DCD when I wouldn't be completely happy with that either and which would become surplus to requirements in my collection in light of hypothetical Hot toys V2

B) Hot toys line completism - I'm getting everything else so to leave out the joker, poor likeness or not, in favour of picking up a rival companies joker - which is itself not perfect seems off to my obsessive compulsive sensibilities.

C) previously mentioned reasons of scale compatibility, superior tailoring etc. (the Aliens USCMs didn't have accurate facial likenesses but we picked them up for their brilliantly realised outfits)

Mr ?
08-03-2008, 10:53 PM
What do you mean?

People have had considerable trouble finding MM Jokers.

CelticPredator
08-03-2008, 10:54 PM
I found mine at a Wal-Mart...but thats only because there was a case sitting there, to which I opened, grabbed a Batman, and Joker, and left. Never seen one other Joker....ever.

Oh and I JUST found Scarecrow yesterday, very lucky.

Sniper33
08-04-2008, 12:41 AM
I cannot comment about DCD, but I did get HT joker over the weekend, and its a great figure... just not a good "TDK Heath" joker.

Furthermore, I had this urgent need to repaint (more like paint the panda circles) and I did. I wouldn't normally do this, but I had my own interpretation on how the paint should look, just like some of you may have.

If I had a choice, I would get all three jokers. Only thing that interests me for DCD, is the clown mask. Anybody got pics of HT joker wearing DCD's clown mask?

Once I got both of mine Ill try that out, but its gonna be another week or so before i get the HT one, and next month for the dcd joker.


I found mine at a Wal-Mart...but thats only because there was a case sitting there, to which I opened, grabbed a Batman, and Joker, and left. Never seen one other Joker....ever.

Oh and I JUST found Scarecrow yesterday, very lucky.

I might get the MM batman tomorrow if im out at tthe stores tomorrow. shame cause i remember when they first came out i remember seeing tons of jokers, and since then only one other case came in and joker and scarecrow sold pretty quick.