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karamazov80
02-27-2016, 10:59 PM
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood: 5.5/10

Middle of the pack Jason movie. Kills were lackluster and way too quick for the most part. Whole thing felt lazy and kind of phoned in. But, it was still a typical '80s slasher horror movie. And that counts for something.

rushmore223
02-27-2016, 11:32 PM
Definitely better than Babadook and It Follows.

I have a 11 month old, so that made that particular scene especially unsettling.

I Am Toys
02-27-2016, 11:36 PM
Seriously though, I'll see the Witch when it comes on Redbox. I thought Babadook was a bit lackluster, but thought It Follows was terrific.

If you liked It Follows, you should like this film. The Witch is artisanal horror just like that. [emoji106]


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rushmore223
02-27-2016, 11:46 PM
Wow, my thoughts almost exactly echoed yours. I actually looked away during that scene toward the beginning that you mentioned, something I rarely need to do.

I thought this movie was a fascinating account of

what many people in that time and place genuinely dreaded, presenting it all as if those fears were very much grounded in reality, with regard to both the external damage such forces could cause as well as the discord and confusion such beings could create within. It was so organic how the external damage caused inner conflict, the inner conflict gave birth to infighting and imprisonment which allowed the dark being to use his enticements as the gateway to freedom from the very judgment and imprisonment that HE perpetuated. *shudder*

That's very cool, I'm glad you enjoyed it, if "enjoyed" is even the right word. I will see this again on video, but I'm not sure it's something I'd want to watch more than twice. I won't buy it, for fear my kids might pop it in someday, this is probably the last movie I'd let my kid watch, til she's 17 at least, she has already had nightmares about Witches without ever seeing a real horror movie, and I can't even imagine what kind of damage this movie would do to a young mind.

The theater I was in, you could hear a pin drop, not a single sound was uttered and the theater was pretty full. I heard no complaints afterwards, but neither did I hear any praise. This movie will find its audience, but it might not really catch on til it hits video. Not that it's not performing well at the theaters, but from what others have said, the audiences seem pretty polarized in their appreciation of it.

This is the kind of movie that gets under your skin, so I can certainly understand those who say they didn't like it.

Trash Panda
02-28-2016, 07:29 AM
The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 - 9/10

Trash Panda
02-28-2016, 08:48 AM
The Dark Knight Returns Part 2 - 9/10

SnakeDoctor
02-28-2016, 12:58 PM
The Aviator ... 7/10. Didn't know a lot about Howard Hughes biography before this, so it had kind of an A Beautiful Mind plot twist for me. I knew he was an airline tycoon and involved in movies. I didn't know he was insane.

White Men Can't Jump. 2/10. I cannot believe I liked this movie when I was a teenager. A pitiful movie about a real loser with a horrifically annoying girlfriend, and a slightly lesser loser with a slightly less annoying wife ... repeatedly losing all their money (not much) in the pathetic-stakes world of basketball hustling. Because they suck at hustling basketball games. But, hundreds of dollars are at stake ... because if you're going to swindle somebody, pick somebody who spends all their time playing blacktop basketball. That's where all the rich people go. Then the horrifically annoying chick -- who's not especially bright, and still dates the worst basketball hustler in the world -- wins at Jeopardy (right). And, lets her dumbass boyfriend bet her winnings on another blacktop basketball game. Because that makes sense. Terrible.

SnakeDoc

Trash Panda
02-28-2016, 01:29 PM
Wishmaster 4 - 3/10

EVILFACE
02-28-2016, 03:20 PM
Didn't see it because it look flat out awful with awful cgi, but if it wasn't for Hunger games, the bomb that is Gods of Egypt prolly would have crippled Lionsgate.

The Clown Prince of Crime
02-28-2016, 03:45 PM
White Men Can't Jump. 2/10. I cannot believe I liked this movie when I was a teenager. A pitiful movie about a real loser with a horrifically annoying girlfriend, and a slightly lesser loser with a slightly less annoying wife ... repeatedly losing all their money (not much) in the pathetic-stakes world of basketball hustling. Because they suck at hustling basketball games. But, hundreds of dollars are at stake ... because if you're going to swindle somebody, pick somebody who spends all their time playing blacktop basketball. That's where all the rich people go. Then the horrifically annoying chick -- who's not especially bright, and still dates the worst basketball hustler in the world -- wins at Jeopardy (right). And, lets her dumbass boyfriend bet her winnings on another blacktop basketball game. Because that makes sense. Terrible.
SnakeDoc

Yeah... but the white guy learned how to dunk.

jye4ever
02-28-2016, 04:42 PM
The Witch:

Holy Crap!

kryptonianmutie
02-28-2016, 04:52 PM
Yeah... but the white guy learned how to dunk.
It's the most heartwarming feel good movie of the 90's. He overcame racial bias and physical adversity. Why didn't Woody get nominated for an Oscar?[emoji1]

jye4ever
02-28-2016, 05:23 PM
Rush and khev summed up The Witch perfectly!

I can totally comprehend and respect some hating this movie, it can really take a ton of patience to settle in and get engaged with it.

I already knew what I was walking into and I love slow burns and even then it almost lost me, I kept hoping for something more threatening to happen from all that built up tension, if anything this movie could've actually benefitted from a few jump scares but the director refused to do them, he wanted to remain respectful to his vision of having the scares come from the creepy tension, and for the most part he succeeded.

Man, the isolation in this movie was creepy (see spoiler for more on this).

Spoiler time:

DO NOT CLICK IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE, IT WILL RUIN THE ENTIRE MOVIE! GO SEE IT BEFORE READING THIS, IT WILL BE WORTH IT!

I liked how they tricked us into thinking the father was going to go all Shining/Amityville and start chopping up his family with the axe, but that's not the direction they went.

This movie is brutal on kids, being a parent definately made this movie more disturbing (Like in Rambo 4 with all those kids getting killed only here its with religious mental trauma).

The heated debate involves the ending, and I can understand why some are not liking it but I fully embraced it.

It goes full on fairy tale, it literally is one of those fairytale drawings depicting witches in the woods surrounding a fire come to life!

But even then we really don't know if this was all in their heads.

This movie only reenforced my beliefs on just how dangerous and deadly religion can be

Like I mentioned before the isolation in this movie was insane, it became a character all of its own, especially when the daughter was all alone at the end, yikes, the silence was deafening!

I can't stop thinking about this movie!

Sure there were a few times where a jump scare would've actually worked, but the movie was still able to deliver the tension without them, so I guess that makes the movie even better.

Everything coming together made for a super high quality work of art, from the music to the acting.

The music certainly did its part believe you me.

Instant buy.

GO SEE THIS MOVIE!

YoNoSe
02-28-2016, 05:38 PM
Yeah, anybody that complains about big studios and commercial filmmaking should go see The Witch. You're not going to get purer dope than that. It doesn't give a **** about you. :lol

jye4ever
02-28-2016, 05:39 PM
:lol

Well said!

YoNoSe
02-28-2016, 05:50 PM
249271

jye4ever
02-28-2016, 05:56 PM
Omg lol lol lol lol lol!

YoNoSe
02-28-2016, 06:18 PM
I can't stop thinking about this movie!



This is the main thing, IMO. I went in having read a few hysterical quotes about how scary it was. So while I wasn't disappointed at all, I was sitting there waiting for something that never happened. But I was so enthralled with the tone and tension that it didn't bother me. It was only days later that I started to really feel the power of the movie. It's scarier to present faith and religion with respect and then demonstrate their futility in the face of real evil than it is to scoff at the idea of virtue.
It really is a perfect storm of vision/direction, casting, and follow-through. Many people will hate it I'm sure. I've read of people walking out or yelling at the end. I guess I had a good crowd because it was utterly silent at the end.

Dat goat tho!:lol

jye4ever
02-28-2016, 06:25 PM
:lol :lol

My showing was silent during the entire movie, we were all at the edge of our seats.

You could hear a pin drop at the end.

It was shock from either side of the fence!

rushmore223
02-28-2016, 06:27 PM
Rush and khev summed up The Witch perfectly!

I can totally comprehend and respect some hating this movie, it can really take a ton of patience to settle in and get engaged with it.

I already knew what I was walking into and I love slow burns and even then it almost lost me, I kept hoping for something more threatening to happen from all that built up tension, if anything this movie could've actually benefitted from a few jump scares but the director refused to do them, he wanted to remain respectful to his vision of having the scares come from the creepy tension, and for the most part he succeeded.

Man, the isolation in this movie was creepy (see spoiler for more on this).

Spoiler time:

DO NOT CLICK IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE, IT WILL RUIN THE ENTIRE MOVIE! GO SEE IT BEFORE READING THIS, IT WILL BE WORTH IT!

I liked how they tricked us into thinking the father was going to go all Shining/Amityville and start chopping up his family with the axe, but that's not the direction they went.

This movie is brutal on kids, being a parent definately made this movie more disturbing (Like in Rambo 4 with all those kids getting killed only here its with religious mental trauma).

The heated debate involves the ending, and I can understand why some are not liking it but I fully embraced it.

It goes full on fairy tale, it literally is one of those fairytale drawings depicting witches in the woods surrounding a fire come to life!

But even then we really don't know if this was all in their heads.

This movie only reenforced my beliefs on just how dangerous and deadly religion can be

Like I mentioned before the isolation in this movie was insane, it became a character all of its own, especially when the daughter was all alone at the end, yikes, the silence was deafening!

I can't stop thinking about this movie!

Sure there were a few times where a jump scare would've actually worked, but the movie was still able to deliver the tension without them, so I guess that makes the movie even better.

Everything coming together made for a super high quality work of art, from the music to the acting.

The music certainly did its part believe you me.

Instant buy.

GO SEE THIS MOVIE!

Thanks Jye!

A hell of a movie, isn't it? One of those rare, great horror movies that I think will stand the test of time, as there really aren't that many truly great films in this genre.

You added some very good points in your spoiler area, definitely some food for thought.

I've been thinking that this movie deserves its own thread, as I'm sure it will spur a lot of discussion.

higgins1989
02-28-2016, 06:34 PM
Just saw the witch and enjoyed it however I would of liked to know more about the witches and their history but then that would ruin the mystique. I do wish there was a cut of the film with a different ending just to see the direction it would have taken if the lead would have chosen another path.

The film was great in that it didn't do jump scares or slash em up but truly gave you a very tense and unsettling feeling of dread. The acting was great as was the tone of the film.

rushmore223
02-28-2016, 06:48 PM
249271

:horror Can I have one?


:lol




Yeah, anybody that complains about big studios and commercial filmmaking should go see The Witch. You're not going to get purer dope than that. It doesn't give a **** about you. :lol

As Jye said, very well put.

JAWS
02-28-2016, 06:50 PM
The Witch:

Holy Crap!


Rush and khev summed up The Witch perfectly!

I can totally comprehend and respect some hating this movie, it can really take a ton of patience to settle in and get engaged with it.

I already knew what I was walking into and I love slow burns and even then it almost lost me, I kept hoping for something more threatening to happen from all that built up tension, if anything this movie could've actually benefitted from a few jump scares but the director refused to do them, he wanted to remain respectful to his vision of having the scares come from the creepy tension, and for the most part he succeeded.

Man, the isolation in this movie was creepy (see spoiler for more on this).

Spoiler time:

DO NOT CLICK IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE, IT WILL RUIN THE ENTIRE MOVIE! GO SEE IT BEFORE READING THIS, IT WILL BE WORTH IT!

I liked how they tricked us into thinking the father was going to go all Shining/Amityville and start chopping up his family with the axe, but that's not the direction they went.

This movie is brutal on kids, being a parent definately made this movie more disturbing (Like in Rambo 4 with all those kids getting killed only here its with religious mental trauma).

The heated debate involves the ending, and I can understand why some are not liking it but I fully embraced it.

It goes full on fairy tale, it literally is one of those fairytale drawings depicting witches in the woods surrounding a fire come to life!

But even then we really don't know if this was all in their heads.

This movie only reenforced my beliefs on just how dangerous and deadly religion can be

Like I mentioned before the isolation in this movie was insane, it became a character all of its own, especially when the daughter was all alone at the end, yikes, the silence was deafening!

I can't stop thinking about this movie!

Sure there were a few times where a jump scare would've actually worked, but the movie was still able to deliver the tension without them, so I guess that makes the movie even better.

Everything coming together made for a super high quality work of art, from the music to the acting.

The music certainly did its part believe you me.

Instant buy.

GO SEE THIS MOVIE!

This is a movie that gets better with time.. I was a bit let down at first because of the Hype but I could not get the film out of my head...

jye4ever
02-28-2016, 06:51 PM
She's staring at his rear end. :lol

rushmore223
02-28-2016, 06:54 PM
She's staring at his rear end. :lol

Apparently Phillip has huge genitalia

jye4ever
02-28-2016, 06:57 PM
This is a movie that gets better with time.. I was a bit let down at first because of the Hype but I could not get the film out of my head...

Absolutely JAWS, it's all i'm thinking about tonight.

Can't wait for my pleasant dreams. :lol


Apparently Phillip has huge genitalia

:lol

OMG, didn't the father sound like King Leonidas!

Please tell me you heard King Leonidas. :lol

rushmore223
02-28-2016, 06:59 PM
Absolutely JAWS, it's all i'm thinking about tonight.

Can't wait for my pleasant dreams. :lol



:lol

OMG, didn't the father sound like King Leonidas! :lol

Please tell me you heard King Leonidas.

:lol suddenly I have an image of him kicking his elder daughter down a well, Snyder-style!

JAWS
02-28-2016, 07:26 PM
Great article on the Witch and it's ending... Of course I agree with it so it's why I liked it :)

It also mentions the fate of the twins which is exactly what I concluded when I saw it and was one of the more chilling aspects of the film (along with the beginning.

Beware spoilers!!

Explaining The Witch Ending | Den of Geek (http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/the-witch/253108/explaining-the-witch-ending#)

jye4ever
02-28-2016, 08:08 PM
Yeah, great article thanks for posting it.

I'm also reading that the blood in the barn was the goat's that she was milking. I thought it was her 1st period.

JAWS
02-28-2016, 08:24 PM
Yeah, great article thanks for posting it.

I'm also reading that the blood in the barn was the goat's that she was milking. I thought it was her 1st period.

So you're saying you failed Sex Ed.

jye4ever
02-28-2016, 08:34 PM
Only if I studied Goat intercourse. :lol

JAWS
02-28-2016, 09:42 PM
Only if I studied Goat intercourse. :lol

:lol :lol

I knew something like that was coming :lol

Mad Old Lu
02-29-2016, 11:49 AM
5 Year Engagement: 6.5/10

It was ok. It was a nice change to see Emily Blunt acting nice and charming, as opposed to her more "meaty" roles where she is intense and angry, etc.

pturtle
02-29-2016, 04:16 PM
The Aviator ... 7/10. Didn't know a lot about Howard Hughes biography before this, so it had kind of an A Beautiful Mind plot twist for me. I knew he was an airline tycoon and involved in movies. I didn't know he was insane.

White Men Can't Jump. 2/10. I cannot believe I liked this movie when I was a teenager. A pitiful movie about a real loser with a horrifically annoying girlfriend, and a slightly lesser loser with a slightly less annoying wife ... repeatedly losing all their money (not much) in the pathetic-stakes world of basketball hustling. Because they suck at hustling basketball games. But, hundreds of dollars are at stake ... because if you're going to swindle somebody, pick somebody who spends all their time playing blacktop basketball. That's where all the rich people go. Then the horrifically annoying chick -- who's not especially bright, and still dates the worst basketball hustler in the world -- wins at Jeopardy (right). And, lets her dumbass boyfriend bet her winnings on another blacktop basketball game. Because that makes sense. Terrible.

SnakeDoc

What!!

White Men Cant Jump is a classic, and Rosie Perez is the best, one of my favorite movies of all time.


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jstep13
03-01-2016, 12:37 AM
3 Idiots 8/10

VintijDroidGutzz
03-01-2016, 01:20 AM
*KRULL* -- 7.5 / 10

Still a classic; maybe not top shelf, but a cult classic nonetheless. I only watched this for the first time about a year ago, & really loved it. I remember back in 1984, it was playing at my local theatre along with WARGAMES, & I can still remember the KRULL posters in the lobby. :)

Just found a decent copy recently too, so good times.

Loki
03-01-2016, 06:17 AM
The Conjuring - 9/10. Can't remember the last time I was genuinely unsettled by a horror movie. This had jump scares like standard horror fare, but the tension and atmosphere was insane, and that brought it up to another level. You could also feel for the family in it, whereas in a lot of other horror films I've seen, I couldn't really care less about the main characters' fates.

Patriot666
03-01-2016, 07:58 AM
The Conjuring - 9/10. Can't remember the last time I was genuinely unsettled by a horror movie. This had jump scares like standard horror fare, but the tension and atmosphere was insane, and that brought it up to another level. You could also feel for the family in it, whereas in a lot of other horror films I've seen, I couldn't really care less about the main characters' fates.

Agree. Not so much on my second viewing, but yep after the first time I was spooked.

Snake Plissken
03-01-2016, 08:04 AM
It was a one time viewing for me. There was really one real scare in there for me and after that I felt disinterested with the rest of it.

Mad Old Lu
03-01-2016, 11:35 AM
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: 5.5/10

It was ok. I never read the comics or saw the original or the cartoons, but I knew their general premise. I was surprised at how not terrible Megan Fox was. I was also surprised that Michael Bay did not direct the movie, as it seemed that that is how they were marketing the film. Everything I ever heard about the movie had to do with Bay. Regardless, it looked good and the effects were very well done.

highlander1
03-01-2016, 04:24 PM
THE NIGHT BEFORE. A old tradition of getting messed up the night before X-MAS. It was a o.k movie the highlight i loved was Actor Michael Shannon aka ZOD as Mr. Green was funny as hell. I give this one a 4 it wrapped up a little too perfect for my taste but worth seeing once.



THE FORREST. I wanted expected more it was o.k but wanted much more give a big 2 lol u wont miss much if skip this one.

VintijDroidGutzz
03-01-2016, 05:28 PM
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: 5.5/10

It was ok. I never read the comics or saw the original or the cartoons, but I knew their general premise. I was surprised at how not terrible Megan Fox was. I was also surprised that Michael Bay did not direct the movie, as it seemed that that is how they were marketing the film. Everything I ever heard about the movie had to do with Bay. Regardless, it looked good and the effects were very well done.
That moofy is a bathroom brownie dressed up in glittery green cellophane - nothing more / less. :lol

highlander1
03-01-2016, 07:13 PM
MY Biggest nitpick on revamping tmnt leave the orgins original story the same. I dont need Megan Foxx messing up something that doesnt need changed.

karamazov80
03-01-2016, 09:29 PM
Fury: 7/10

Solid war movie, even if Pitt's decision to stay with the tank at the end was pretty hard to buy, all things considered. It didn't pull punches with the horrors of war. Ayer did a great job. I think Suicide Squad is in fine hands, though surely we're going to get some gory, over the top deaths.

Galahad
03-01-2016, 10:06 PM
Gods of Egypt: 9/10
Probably was so good because I wasn't expecting much but the myths and symbols appealed to me.
Love the judgment scene and the flat earth and the Alex Proyas tone (a dark meaningful substance; not campy).

jstep13
03-01-2016, 11:37 PM
A Prophet 8.5/10

highlander1
03-02-2016, 12:01 AM
SPOTLIGHT MOVIE. I Cant rate and wont just say all the actors did a amazing job but the story disgusts me and made me hate church even more. I Have my own beliefs n spiritual theorys and we all have our own relationship with religion. When we grow up we learn black n white facts about life. All can say is the movie will change or make look it things differnt afterwards. All i can say is if your a parent you should watch this film.

a-dev
03-02-2016, 05:14 PM
Fury: 7/10

Solid war movie, even if Pitt's decision to stay with the tank at the end was pretty hard to buy, all things considered. It didn't pull punches with the horrors of war. Ayer did a great job. I think Suicide Squad is in fine hands, though surely we're going to get some gory, over the top deaths.

Agreed, thought it was very good but I did find that decision questionable and the outcome for all these guys who may have felt ''guilted'' into staying...well....

Khev
03-02-2016, 05:15 PM
SPOTLIGHT MOVIE. I Cant rate and wont just say all the actors did a amazing job but the story disgusts me and made me hate church even more.

Well it's not like the priests were practicing what they preached.

snoop101
03-02-2016, 05:27 PM
It Follows 9/10
Ex Machina 8.5/10

jstep13
03-02-2016, 08:02 PM
The Witch 4/10 Boring and Dumb

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-02-2016, 08:06 PM
Specter- 4/10 - It's a really dumb film with so many dumb moments. It's such a departure from the more grounded Casino Royale. It's by far the worst Craig Bond film and it has one of the worst endings ever....terrible.

Khev
03-02-2016, 08:07 PM
The Witch 4/10 Boring and Dumb

You think The Witch AND Minnesota sucks? What's wrong with you man??

rushmore223
03-02-2016, 08:12 PM
You think The Witch AND Minnesota sucks? What's wrong with you man??

I'm not sure which one you find more offensive. :lol

Road Blaster
03-02-2016, 08:32 PM
Wrong Turn 6: Last Resort - 5/10

karamazov80
03-02-2016, 08:54 PM
Room (2015): 8/10

Really heavy movie. Extremely well done.

The Room (2003): 10/10

I still prefer the original, though.


Agreed, thought it was very good but I did find that decision questionable and the outcome for all these guys who may have felt ''guilted'' into staying...well....
The only way I can really justify it, is that Wardaddy was so far gone that he really felt killing a bunch of Nazis while dying in that tank was more important than living another day. And all it took was that, because after all they had been through, the other guys would have done anything he wanted them to.

Khev
03-02-2016, 09:55 PM
I'm not sure which one you find more offensive. :lol

Yeah, I don't know, it was a great movie and this is a great place to live. :lecture

rushmore223
03-02-2016, 10:35 PM
Yeah, I don't know, it was a great movie and this is a great place to live. :lecture

Twin cities seems pretty cool, never been there though. Is it colder than CT?

karamazov80
03-02-2016, 10:43 PM
If all Minnesota ever did that was worth a damn was producing this band, then that would be enough:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1sYN0PuRs4

Khev
03-02-2016, 10:46 PM
Twin cities seems pretty cool, never been there though. Is it colder than CT?

In the winter hell yeah it is. Our winter lows are pretty much Hoth. :lol But glancing at usclimatedata.com it looks like our summers are warmer than yours.

Yeah I really love it here. Did 9 years in Florida and it was just misery. I'm a Northern guy and am a sucker for cities with good culture and arts that are close to nature and the "wild" and all that good stuff. Portland, OR is another favorite of mine, I lived there about 9 years before Florida. Never been to the NE but it seems like it'd be amazing over there.

rushmore223
03-02-2016, 10:48 PM
I have though about the Portland area, but with the tech boom I've probably been priced out of that one.

Khev
03-02-2016, 10:48 PM
If all Minnesota ever did that was worth a damn was producing this band, then that would be enough:


:lol

Well we've got your Coen Brothers too.

Khev
03-02-2016, 10:50 PM
I have though about the Portland area, but with the tech boom I've probably been priced out of that one.

Yeah. Oregon's state income tax is almost 10 percent and then with the crazy housing market it grows less practical to live there every year. I still visit it once a year though. They have awesome theater pubs downtown that are constantly showing classic films from decades past.

rushmore223
03-02-2016, 10:53 PM
CT is dying, everyone is moving out. High taxes, not much for jobs, high cost of living/housing. Still, family is here, so hard to think about relocating.

Khev
03-02-2016, 11:10 PM
CT is dying, everyone is moving out. High taxes, not much for jobs, high cost of living/housing. Still, family is here, so hard to think about relocating.

Plus you guys had some of the original witch trials back in the day. You can't leave there. ;)

rushmore223
03-02-2016, 11:16 PM
Plus you guys had some of the original witch trials back in the day. You can't leave there. ;)

:lol

That right, I have too much History here.

karamazov80
03-03-2016, 08:31 AM
:lol

Well we've got your Coen Brothers too.
Also, the Replacements, plus they elected a pro wrestler as governor! I'm a fan of that state.

Khev
03-03-2016, 09:53 AM
And not just any pro wrestler!

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/5/5f/PredatorM134handheld-14.jpg/600px-PredatorM134handheld-14.jpg

:D

karamazov80
03-03-2016, 10:14 AM
He didn't have much of an impact as an actual wrestler, but he was one of the best color commentators of all time.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-03-2016, 10:28 AM
He didn't have much of an impact as an actual wrestler, but he was one of the best color commentators of all time.

He was always hating on Hogan :lol

bboy
03-03-2016, 12:35 PM
Predators 8/10 Decent sci-fi monster movie

Daredevil (directors cut) 8/10 Maybe its nostalgia but I really never though it was so bad, in fact I love watching it.

Road Blaster
03-03-2016, 10:54 PM
Ghost Ship - 5/10

jstep13
03-04-2016, 01:13 AM
Red River (1948) 8/10 = Would make for a great remake a la True Grit

ChaserFan
03-04-2016, 04:33 AM
Triple 9 - 8/10

Mad Old Lu
03-04-2016, 07:47 AM
2 Guns: 7/10

Fun, well made R rated action movie with Denzel and Mark Wahlberg. Great cast, and Bill Paxton, again, was great.

EVILFACE
03-04-2016, 08:06 AM
He didn't have much of an impact as an actual wrestler, but he was one of the best color commentators of all time.


He was always hating on Hogan :lol

Tony: And Jesse Ventura, there is a power stronger than Zeus and it's called Hulkamania!
Jesse: Yeah sure Schiavone. It's called foreign object, that's what it's called.

XDUCKETTX
03-04-2016, 08:12 AM
Serpent and the Rainbow: 7/10

Voodoo made for a good movie. Wes Craven (RIP) gave it an extra point.

jstep13
03-04-2016, 04:22 PM
Spotlight 6.5/10

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-04-2016, 09:00 PM
Tony: And Jesse Ventura, there is a power stronger than Zeus and it's called Hulkamania!
Jesse: Yeah sure Schiavone. It's called foreign object, that's what it's called.

:lol:lol


Sicario - 8/10

highlander1
03-05-2016, 12:31 AM
GODS of EGYPT. A PURE 10 Full of action from start to end I LOVED IT!

VintijDroidGutzz
03-05-2016, 10:59 AM
Ok.. I finally sat through 'Terminator: Genisys' :monkey4 :monkey4 :monkey4

In short - did not like.

The opening 8mins or so were admittedly pretty good - as others have noted I recall, but the rest was a frustrating mess. I thought the CG 1984 Arnold was very nicely rendered.. but so what. The movie is so redundant & painfully pointless, that any nod to Cameron's genius is worthless. It's like they took a leaf out of George Lucas' book of 'mirrors' & recreated umpteen scenes from previous T-films just to hook the public in for one more romp in the good old days, but with a 'new twist' this time.

**** off. :lol

T-5 is bad fan fiction. Arnold clearly wanted another roll in the hay for the sake of it, & bugger the legacy. Horrible casting. 'Pops' this, 'Pops' that.. **** me. How old is that Miley Cyrus doppleganger? She looks about 10 years younger than what Linda Hamilton was in 1984. The Aussie dude playing 'Reese' was ****house. - & explain this to me; 2029.. the future.. humanity reduced to living in the shadows like rats.. the resistance trying to fight back. How - in all of that misery, does a guy look like he's not only healthy, but a well fed muscle man with an active gym membership? Jason Clarke was quite good for what he was given, but what a concept. Matt Smith as.. ehhhhh. :lol It was hilarious how they recreated the 1984 section fairly faithfully, but cast the part of Kyle Reese with a guy that looks nothing like Michael Beihn - & bore zero resemblance in performance & tone.

Didn't like what they did with Skynet.

I really wish I hadn't watched the ****ing thing now. Anyway..

No score. Sorry.

VintijDroidGutzz
03-05-2016, 10:59 AM
oops.. double post.

GasparZizou
03-05-2016, 11:03 AM
T-5 is bad fan fiction.
Preach to the choir brother!

And yeah, almost every new entry in old franchises seems to be just that, fanfic.

I hope Predator is not.

Patriot666
03-05-2016, 11:07 AM
Mad Max Fury Road - 6/10


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jstep13
03-05-2016, 11:34 AM
Eternal Sunshine 8.5/10

VintijDroidGutzz
03-05-2016, 11:34 AM
Preach to the choir brother!

And yeah, almost every new entry in old franchises seems to be just that, fanfic.

I hope Predator is not.
Yep, it's shameful. I saw that 'Ghost Busters' trailer too. Sure - we have the original films to enjoy, & these are the new ones for a new generation (as the proponents of that view will eagerly espouse :lol), but what does that actually say? That producing awful, sub par, dumbed down, convoluted content for the sake of keeping the cogs turning & the registers ca-chinging is a pusuit worthy of maintaining? Each one of these 're-imaginings' or 'new installments' is chipping away at new milenium Hollypoop's relevance in this world.

I'm SO glad I was born in the mid 70s.

Khev
03-05-2016, 11:35 AM
Steve Jobs (2015) - 8/10

Absolutely one of the best acted films of the year.

GasparZizou
03-05-2016, 11:38 AM
Yep, it's shameful. I saw that 'Ghost Busters' trailer too. Sure - we have the original films to enjoy, & these are the new ones for a new generation (as the proponents of that view will eagerly espouse :lol), but what does that actually say? That producing awful, sub par, dumbed down, convoluted content for the sake of keeping the cogs turning & the registers ca-chinging is a pusuit worthy of maintaining?

I'm SO glad I was born in the mid 70s.

Hey! As long as it's entertaining and fun, right? Turn off your brain bro!

RIDDICK
03-05-2016, 12:34 PM
Ok.. I finally sat through 'Terminator: Genisys'

In short - did not like.

The opening 8mins or so were admittedly pretty good - as others have noted I recall, but the rest was a frustrating mess. I thought the CG 1984 Arnold was very nicely rendered.. but so what. The movie is so redundant & painfully pointless, that any nod to Cameron's genius is worthless. It's like they took a leaf out of George Lucas' book of 'mirrors' & recreated umpteen scenes from previous T-films just to hook the public in for one more romp in the good old days, but with a 'new twist' this time.

**** off. lol

T-5 is bad fan fiction. Arnold clearly wanted another roll in the hay for the sake of it, & bugger the legacy. Horrible casting. 'Pops' this, 'Pops' that.. **** me. How old is that Miley Cyrus doppleganger? She looks about 10 years younger than what Linda Hamilton was in 1984. The Aussie dude playing 'Reese' was ****house. - & explain this to me; 2029.. the future.. humanity reduced to living in the shadows like rats.. the resistance trying to fight back. How - in all of that misery, does a guy look like he's not only healthy, but a well fed muscle man with an active gym membership? Jason Clarke was quite good for what he was given, but what a concept. Matt Smith as.. ehhhhh. :lol It was hilarious how they recreated the 1984 section fairly faithfully, but cast the part of Kyle Reese with a guy that looks nothing like Michael Beihn - & bore zero resemblance in performance & tone.

Didn't like what they did with Skynet.

I really wish I hadn't watched the ****ing thing now. Anyway..

No score. Sorry.

Terrible film for sure but still better then "Jerkassic Whoreld".
At least it tried to reboot an old franchise the right way and Arnold was entertaining.

__


Hey! As long as it's entertaining and fun, right? Turn off your brain bro!
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The Ween
03-05-2016, 03:48 PM
London Has Fallen 8/10

VintijDroidGutzz
03-05-2016, 07:12 PM
Terrible film for sure but still better then "Jerkassic Whoreld".
I don't know what's funnier; that endearing spin you put on the title, or imagining you saying it / using it in a sentence. :lol



At least it tried to reboot an old franchise the right way and Arnold was entertaining.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/george-no.gif

GasparZizou
03-06-2016, 01:04 AM
Predator - 8.5/10
Predator 2 - 8.5/10

"Not a thing. Not a ****ing trace. No blood, no bodies... We hit nothing"

"Billy: I'm scared Poncho.
Poncho: Bull****. You ain't afraid of no man.
Billy: There's something out there waiting for us, and it ain't no man."

Harrigan's reflection against a taxidermy shopfront.

Danny's necklace hanging from a tree in the cemetery as a token of respect, and a taunt?

So ****ing gooooood. Tension sold through seeing resourceful, capable, smart, battle hardened men get increasingly scared by something that surpasses the scope of their experience, that in itself is very engaging without getting so much as a glimpse of the Predator.

I ****ing love these 2 movies. I don't remember whether if it was Predator or Aliens the 1st movie I saw as a kid, but the Predator is my favorite of the 2.

None of that post-Predator 2 noise for me though, thanks.

http://www.asset1.net/tv/pictures/movie/predator-2-1990/predator-DI-2.jpg

VintijDroidGutzz
03-06-2016, 01:15 AM
Plus - Bill Paxton. :lecture :lol

GasparZizou
03-06-2016, 01:48 AM
Plus - Bill Paxton. :lecture :lol
No kidding, I think I like Predator Hudson more than Aliens Hudson, in Aliens he was a total jarhead, but in Predator, despite having a similar personality to Hudson, he was one quick thinking, intelligent mother****er, managed to keep up with the likes of Keyes, and despite being kind of a sleazeball, he was kinda suave too.

Jameson Rook
03-06-2016, 01:52 AM
Predator 2 was pretty fantastic, I never got why people hate it so much yet Predators gets a free pass. :dunno

GasparZizou
03-06-2016, 01:55 AM
Predator 2 was pretty fantastic, I never got why people hate it so much yet Predators gets a free pass. :dunno
Predators doesn't get a free pass around here does it? But yeah I don't get the P2 hate either, it's about the same quality level as P1.

higgins1989
03-06-2016, 01:59 AM
Mad Max Fury Road 6.5/10

If you purely want to just sit and relax while watching non-stop action then its great, what little of a story it had however was disappointing.

Not really relevant to this thread and I know I will take heat for this, but why do people LOVE Firefly so much? I just watched 5 episodes and so far nothing at all has really interested me. The world feels very bland and so similar to ours that you almost forget that its set in space. I really wanted to enjoy it but I just don't care for it.

Jameson Rook
03-06-2016, 01:59 AM
Predators doesn't get a free pass around here does it? But yeah I don't get the P2 hate either, it's about the same quality level as P1.

Mostly on the internet. "Let's forget Predator 2 existed and watch Predators instead". I think the lack of super muscular beefcakes turned some some people off. Pfft. It had the most badass Predator scene ever:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsD0ovyzBJE

GasparZizou
03-06-2016, 02:19 AM
Oh yeah, although I would put the scene of the Predator coming out of the water slightly above that one.

I don't see anything in P2 that warrants such a comment. Plus with all this talk about political correctness, I couldn't help but notice how Predator 2 had a black man as protagonist, not only that, a protagonist just as interesting as Arnold, if not more; a reckless, obsessive-compulsive, get-the-job-done badass with authority issues and not a single hair of stereotype, AND 2 Hispanic supporting characters, one of them being a tough as nails woman.

Trash Panda
03-06-2016, 05:35 AM
Fantastic 4 - Steaming pile of monkey ****/ 10

RIDDICK
03-06-2016, 07:53 AM
I couldn't help but notice how Predator 2 had a black man as protagonist, not only that, a protagonist just as interesting as Arnold, if not more; a reckless, obsessive-compulsive, get-the-job-done badass with authority issues and not a single hair of stereotype, AND 2 Hispanic supporting characters, one of them being a tough as nails woman.
:goodpost::exactly: :lecture:lecture:lecture

Devil_666
03-06-2016, 02:50 PM
Fantastic 4 - Steaming pile of monkey ****/ 10

Is that better or worse than "Van Down By The River/10"!?

Trash Panda
03-06-2016, 02:56 PM
Is that better or worse than "Van Down By The River/10"!?

Worse :lol

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-06-2016, 03:09 PM
Oh yeah, although I would put the scene of the Predator coming out of the water slightly above that one.

I don't see anything in P2 that warrants such a comment. Plus with all this talk about political correctness, I couldn't help but notice how Predator 2 had a black man as protagonist, not only that, a protagonist just as interesting as Arnold, if not more; a reckless, obsessive-compulsive, get-the-job-done badass with authority issues and not a single hair of stereotype, AND 2 Hispanic supporting characters, one of them being a tough as nails woman.

I prefer the original. Even when it first came out, I didn't like it as much as the first film because I felt the Predator alien didn't work well in a city. He's a jungle or forest character, not a city creature if he's looking for a challenge, although it makes sense to go to a populated area, but he just felt out of place, considering his size, weapons, and hunting skills. The supporting cast was ok, even though I prefer Blades as a singer not as an actor :lol Danny Glover was...alright, but he was just a cop, an uncoordinated city cop afraid of heights :lol Not my kind of hero, and honestly, it kind of devalued the Predator going after an average cop and getting beat up. At least Arnie looked like he was an "elite" soldier with a bad ass team of equal abilities and skills....that's a price, and a group of worthy opponents for an alien warrior looking for challenge. So I don't consider P2 and P1 of equal quality at all. If it wasn't for Adrian Brody, I'd say Predators is better than P2, but Brody kind of ruined the film for me, even though I still like it.

Having said all that, I'm still getting the Neca Ultimate city hunter figure :monkey3

Jrobertson
03-06-2016, 03:18 PM
Kingsman: the secret service 9/10

GasparZizou
03-06-2016, 03:47 PM
I prefer the original. Even when it first came out, I didn't like it as much as the first film because I felt the Predator alien didn't work well in a city. He's a jungle or forest character, not a city creature if he's looking for a challenge, although it makes sense to go to a populated area, but he just felt out of place, considering his size, weapons, and hunting skills. The supporting cast was ok, even though I prefer Blades as a singer not as an actor :lol Danny Glover was...alright, but he was just a cop, an uncoordinated city cop afraid of heights :lol Not my kind of hero, and honestly, it kind of devalued the Predator going after an average cop and getting beat up. At least Arnie looked like he was an "elite" soldier with a bad ass team of equal abilities and skills....that's a price, and a group of worthy opponents for an alien warrior looking for challenge. So I don't consider P2 and P1 of equal quality at all. If it wasn't for Adrian Brody, I'd say Predators is better than P2, but Brody kind of ruined the film for me, even though I still like it.

This is bait right?

RIDDICK
03-06-2016, 04:43 PM
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/epicrapbattlesofhistory/images/f/f1/Chosen_one_bait.png/revision/latest?cb=20141123070550

Solidus
03-06-2016, 04:46 PM
I don't know how I should rate this. I just watched Scorpion King 3 and 4 on the Sci-Fi channel. It had Billy Zane, Lou Ferrigno, Batista, Ron Pearlman, and also a random cast of D-list nobodies whose acting skills wouldn't make the cut for porn films. Then there's the strange music... it was a beautiful disaster of two films :rotfl.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-06-2016, 04:49 PM
This is bait right?

No baiting this time. That's how I feel about the film. Seriously, have you seen Danny Glover run...or move? He's not very athletic. Now, Arnie is no gymnast either, but at least his character was an elite soldier and he looked like an action figure.

GasparZizou
03-06-2016, 06:44 PM
No baiting this time. That's how I feel about the film. Seriously, have you seen Danny Glover run...or move? He's not very athletic. Now, Arnie is no gymnast either, but at least his character was an elite soldier and he looked like an action figure.
Dude, I bet Danny Glover back then could run 100 meters faster than Arnold in Predator, Elite soldiers do NOT look like Arnold, a body builder like that would not last a day even just standing in the jungle. :lol


I felt the Predator alien didn't work well in a city. He's a jungle or forest character.
How so? There's nothing that indicates that it did not work in the city, in fact, it works fantastically well. I mean, it's the city, during a heat wave, how can it not work? It just clicks right in.


The supporting cast was ok, even though I prefer Blades as a singer not as an actor :lol
How is the supporting cast in Predator any better? Not why you like them better.


Danny Glover was...alright,
He was not alright, he was great, in fact, he gave the character a more describable personality than Arnold gave Dutch.


but he was just a cop, an uncoordinated city cop :lol Not my kind of hero, and honestly, it kind of devalued the Predator going after an average cop and getting beat up.
What? Did you even watch the movie? :lol he wasn't just a cop, he was THE cop in the LAPD, 10 commendations, most arrest and all that, in a Los Angeles so ****ed up, it made Colombia in the 80's look like Kansas :lol in fact, P2 LA was more of a war and conflict zone, with waaaay more savage criminal scum than Central America and their guerrillas in Predator.


afraid of heights
That was just a quirk that made the character a little more interesting, that fits perfectly with his neurotic personality.


At least Arnie looked like he was an "elite" soldier with a bad ass team of equal abilities and skills....that's a price, and a group of worthy opponents for an alien warrior looking for challenge.
What makes you think Harrigan's team wasn't just as capable? Jerry was able to literally keep up with the Men In Black.

Also, the city hunter took down not only Keyes' men, which I assume were just as elite as Dutch's, he also killed countless cartel/king Willy thugs who had way better weapons than the guerrilla.


So I don't consider P2 and P1 of equal quality at all.
P1 may be better, but P2 is nothing to sneeze at.


If it wasn't for Adrian Brody, I'd say Predators is better than P2
And you say it isn't bait :lol

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-06-2016, 07:42 PM
Dude, I bet Danny Glover back then could run 100 meters faster than Arnold in Predator, Elite soldiers do NOT look like Arnold, a body builder like that would not last a day even just standing in the jungle. :lol

By 80's standard, Arnie is an iconic action hero who can sell being an elite soldier. Glover is a sweaty cop afraid of heights....City Hunter has low standards.



How so? There's nothing that indicates that it did not work in the city, in fact, it works fantastically well. I mean, it's the city, during a heat wave, how can it not work? It just clicks right in.

I just don't see him as a city character. When we first meet the Predator is in a jungle, and he uses the jungle as a weapon. The environment plays a major role in the first film, like a character, but in the second film, it's just a new setting for the sake of doing something different. Predator in a subway and in someone's bathroom? Give me a break :lol



How is the supporting cast in Predator any better? Not why you like them better.

They're wayyy more memorable than the supporting cast from Predator. Seriously, is that even debatable? I know you're trying to defend P2 because it's one of your favorite films, but Glover's crew are not as cool or as memorable as the P1 team. There is not a single character in P1 who doesn't have a memorable scene, moment, or line...which is more than I can say about the P2 cast.



He was not alright, he was great, in fact, he gave the character a more describable personality than Arnold gave Dutch.

He was the Lethal Weapon character...without the mustache. Arnold doesn't need to do any of that because his charisma, one liners, and body are enough to make him more memorable...and he is more memorable.



What? Did you even watch the movie? :lol he wasn't just a cop, he was THE cop in the LAPD, 10 commendations, most arrest and all that, in a Los Angeles so ****ed up, it made Colombia in the 80's look like Kansas :lol in fact, P2 LA was more of a war and conflict zone, with waaaay more savage criminal scum than Central America and their guerrillas in Predator.

Ok, he was a good cop in a tough city, big deal. He didn't show any particular skills to set him apart from any of the other characters. Dude always looked afraid...he's the OG Fin...scared, sweaty, and out of breath. :lol



That was just a quirk that made the character a little more interesting, that fits perfectly with his neurotic personality.

Nah...it's there to make their encounter later on more interesting, and the payoff isn't that great, imo.



What makes you think Harrigan's team wasn't just as capable? Jerry was able to literally keep up with the Men In Black.

Also, the city hunter took down not only Keyes' men, which I assume were just as elite as Dutch's, he also killed countless cartel/king Willy thugs who had way better weapons than the guerrilla.

Jerry? You say that like that's such a memorable character that i'll recognize the name :lol You need to be more specific about what he did...you mean he was keeping track of the MIB? If that's the case, he's a cop...it's what they do. Anyway, you like to assume things, as far as I know they could be a bunch thugs with no real training. At least with a guerrilla, it's implied that they are a military group with training...because they're actual soldiers. It's a given or a fact that they are soldiers, but those thugs in P2, we don't know anything about them, so it's pointless to assume anything about them, except that they are criminals with a lot of weapons.


P1 may be better, but P2 is nothing to sneeze at.

I didn't say it was bad, just not as good as the first, and we agree on that.



And you say it isn't bait :lol

Really, replace Brody with the Rock or some other actor with more charisma and who's more believable as a tough soldier, and that movie is better than it is. They were at least smart enough to go back to basics and to the ideal environment, a jungle. The rest of the cast could be better too, but the idea of putting all these different humans in this alien jungle, is more interesting and original than P2, which is just a sequel in a different setting....a poor setting. That's probably one of the reasons most people didn't like the film. I don't hate it, but I always thought it was a weird choice.

GasparZizou
03-06-2016, 08:08 PM
By 80's standard, Arnie is an iconic action hero who can sell being an elite soldier. Glover is a sweaty cop afraid of heights....City Hunter has low standards.
Why are you so salty against Harrigan? Are you a racist? You're a racist aren't you?



I just don't see him as a city character. When we first meet the Predator is in a jungle, and he uses the jungle as a weapon. The environment plays a major role in the first film, like a character, but in the second film, it's just s new setting for the sake of doing something different. Predator in a subway and in someone's bathroom? Give me a break :lol
How did he use the jungle as a weapon? He literally does the exact same thing in the jungle as he does in the city.

The environment plays a role in the movie because of the characters' psyche, not because of the Predator, it also play a part in city in a different way, again, unrelated to the Predator, the Predator is supposed to be adaptable.

For the sake of being different? The city is literally called the concrete jungle, how is that not the next logical step? For the sake of being different, that's what Predators did.



They're wayyy more memorable than the supporting cast from Predator. Seriously, is that even debatable? I know you're trying to defend P2 because it's one of your favorite films, but Glover's crew are not as cool or as memorable as the P1 team. There is not a single character in P1 who doesn't have a memorable scene, moment, or line...which is more than I can say about the P2 cast.
More memorable doesn't = better, and I do agree the P1 crew is cooler, for sure, but again, nothing to sneeze at, certainly not comparing it to the Predators crew.

The dynamic of the supporting cast is just as rich, if not more, it's just more subtle, you may have missed it.



He was the Lethal Weapon character...without the mustache. Arnold doesn't need to do any of that because his charisma, one liners, and body are enough to make him more memorable...and he is more memorable.
Harrigan is the complete opposite from Murtaugh.

Yeah Arnold is more memorable, he's Arnold! But Harrigan was definitely a better character.


Ok, he was a good cop in a tough city, big deal. He didn't show any particular skills to set him apart from any of the other characters. Dude always looked afraid...he's the OG Fin...scared, sweaty, and out of breath. :lol
Why are you low balling LA in P2? Have you seen a more ****ed up city that isn't a conflict zone?



Jerry? You say that like that's such a memorable character that i'll recognize the name :lol You need to be more specific about what he did...you mean he was keeping track of the MIB? If that's the case, he's a cop...it's what they do. Anyway, you like to assume things, as far as I know they could be a bunch thugs with no real training. At least with a guerrilla, it's implied that they are a military group with training...because they're actual soldiers. It's a given or a fact that they are soldiers, but those thugs in P2, we don't know anything about them, so it's pointless to assume anything about them, except that they are criminals with a lot of weapons.
Really? Bill Paxton is not memorable? :lol

How familiar are you with guerrillas? Maybe some of them have training, the heads, the rest of them are uneducated poor people who get drafted via brain washing/propaganda, etc etc.

And the cartels, they literally draft ex-military.



Really, replace Brody with the Rock or some other actor with more charisma and who's more believable as a tough soldier, and that movie is better than it is. They were at least smart enough to go back to basics and to the ideal environment, a jungle. The rest of the cast could be better too, but the idea of putting all these different humans in this alien jungle, is more interesting and original then P2, which is just a sequel in a different setting....a poor setting. That's probably one of the reasons most people didn't like the film. I don't hate it, but I always thought it was a weird choice.
Really, being different for the sake of being different, that's very unlike the concept of SUPER PREDATORS :lol Predators is ok, it's tolerable in the standards of the AVP movies, it is very much below P2.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-06-2016, 09:08 PM
Why are you so salty against Harrigan? Are you a racist? You're a racist aren't you?

The Predator is black, and Carl Weathers/Dillon > Glover....hell, his intro alone is more iconic than the entire P2 film :lol




How did he use the jungle as a weapon? He literally does the exact same thing in the jungle as he does in the city.
The environment plays a role in the movie because of the characters' psyche, not because of the Predator, it also play a part in city in a different way, again, unrelated to the Predator, the Predator is supposed to be adaptable.
For the sake of being different? The city is literally called the concrete jungle, how is that not the next logical step? For the sake of being different, that's what Predators did.

It's more of a tool...but he uses the trees to his advantage and he blends with the environment like a lizard which makes sense, considering the design of the character and because he's a hunter. He also knows the jungle better than Arnie and his guys which gives him a strategical advantage over the military crew. The whole film takes place in an unfamiliar place where the main characters are trapped. A Predator running around in a building and in a subway is so out of character that it's laughable. Just because he's adaptable, it doesn't mean that he should be in a city...even if the name of the city is "concrete Jungle."




More memorable doesn't = better, and I do agree the P1 crew is cooler, for sure, but again, nothing to sneeze at, certainly not comparing it to the Predators crew.

Yes it...at least in this case it is, because each character is memorable and they're not overshadowed by Arnold. Even you admit that the crew from P2 is not as good.



The dynamic of the supporting cast is just as rich, if not more, it's just more subtle, you may have missed it.

So subtle it's forgettable, but Blades and Glover had good chemistry...still, are they so good that I want to see them in another film together? Probably not, but I wouldn't mind seeing the P1 crew in another mission.




Harrigan is the complete opposite from Murtaugh.

Yeah Arnold is more memorable, he's Arnold! But Harrigan was definitely a better character.

How is he a better character? How is he different than any other cop in other films? What's so special about him?



Why are you low balling LA in P2? Have you seen a more ****ed up city that isn't a conflict zone?

Detroit from Robocop. The city was so bad and corrupt, they had to build dangerous Robots to fight crime, and once again, Robocop is better than Glover. Also New York in The Warriors.


Really? Bill Paxton is not memorable? :lol

All I remember is him getting his balls squeezed, wearing an ugly suit, and his nickname was LoneStar or ...something like that. :lol


How familiar are you with guerrillas? Maybe some of them have training, the heads, the rest of them are uneducated poor people who get drafted via brain washing/propaganda, etc etc.

And the cartels, they literally draft ex-military.

Now the P2 thugs are ex-military guys? You have given them a better background in your mind than what the actual film gives us in the story :lol Maybe someone should have mentioned that at some point in the film.



Really, being different for the sake of being different, that's very unlike the concept of SUPER PREDATORS :lol Predators is ok, it's tolerable in the standards of the AVP movies, it is very much below P2.

I know RT doesn't mean much, but since it's all subjective, Predators has a 64% and P2 a 25%, so I'm not alone when I say that P2 is way below than P1. I do think 64% for Predators is too high though.

Solidus
03-06-2016, 09:17 PM
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The Clown Prince of Crime
03-06-2016, 09:22 PM
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kryptonianmutie
03-06-2016, 09:25 PM
Solidus has spoken![emoji1]

GasparZizou
03-06-2016, 09:32 PM
The Predator is black, and Carl Weathers/Dillon > Glover....
It was a joke :lol



It's more of a tool...but he uses the trees to his advantage and he blends with the environment like a lizard which makes sense, considering the design of the character and because he's a hunter. He also knows the jungle better than Arnie and his guys which gives him a strategical advantage over the military crew. The whole film takes place in an unfamiliar place where the main characters are trapped. A Predator running around in a building and in a subway is so out of character that it's laughable. Just because he's adaptable, it doesn't mean that he should be in a city...even if the name of the city is "concrete Jungle."
Again, how is it a tool? In what way does he use the trees? To climb? He has no problem climbing walls, to camouflage? He is literally invisible regardless of environment.

Precisely because he is adaptable he should be in a city, that's the whole point of the Predator, the challenge.



Yes it...at least in this case it is, because each character is memorable and they're not overshadowed by Arnold. Even you admit that the crew from P2 is not as good.
No it doesn't, and I didn't say it was good, I said it was cooler, as far as characterization goes, the P2 crew is just as good.



So subtle it's forgettable, but Blades and Glover had good chemistry...still, are they so good that I want to see them in another film together? Probably not, but I wouldn't mind seeing the P1 crew in another mission.
But that's on you, I have no problem picking up their rich dynamic, and I wouldn't mind seeing more of Jerry being Jerry and Harrigan being Harrigan.



How is he a better character? How is he different than any other cop in other films? What's so special about him?
I didn't say different, he isn't original, neither is Arnold, but he IS a better character than Dutch, he has more and more interesting personality traits than Dutch.



Detroit from Robocop. The city was so bad and corrupt, they had to build dangerous Robots to fight crime, and once again, Robocop is better than Glover. Also New York in The Warriors.
I meant in real life :lol

LA in P2 is but a notch below RC's Detroit, many notches above Warrior's New York, and a notch above P1 Puerto Vallarta :lol



All I remember is him getting his balls squeezed, wearing an ugly suit, and his nickname was LoneStar or ...something like that. :lol
But that's on you, if you didn't pick it up it's not the films' fault, not everything has to be over the top, the movie had enough over the top as it is.



Now the P2 thugs are ex-military guys? You have given them a better background in your mind than what the actual film gives us in the story :lol Maybe someone should have mentioned that at some point in the film.
But, it's not my mind, it's a well known fact cartels draft ex-military since forever and that most guerrillas are just uneducated villagers running around with outdated weapons :dunno:



I know RT doesn't mean much, but since it's all subjective, Predators has a 64% and P2 a 25%.
Holy **** that is true, wtf? That is retarded. How? Jesus.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-06-2016, 09:57 PM
It was a joke :lol

Good...good

http://i.imgur.com/6aPecCO.gif



Again, how is it a tool? In what way does he use the trees? To climb? He has no problem climbing walls, to camouflage? He is literally invisible regardless of environment.

Precisely because he is adaptable he should be in a city, that's the whole point of the Predator, the challenge.

Climbing buildings? Who is he Spiderman? :lol He's a hunter...that's the whole point of the character, it's not about a challenge. He could have killed Glover plenty of time because he's invisible. If it was about a challenge, he wouldn't be invisible when he kills people. In the entire galaxy, he looks for a cop in LA as a challenge? Come on.



No it doesn't, and I didn't say it was good, I said it was cooler, as far as characterization goes, the P2 crew is just as good.

You are not serious. No, not in a million years. Glover's crew is just not as good....they're not even around long enough to be memorable.


But that's on you, I have no problem picking up their rich dynamic, and I wouldn't mind seeing more of Jerry being Jerry and Harrigan being Harrigan.

Their rich dynamic? WTF does that even mean? They had like 4 scenes together...and not a single one is memorable, it just moves the story forward and they are fine, but you want to see them in a buddy cop film? Wut?



I didn't say different, he isn't original, neither is Arnold, but he IS a better character than Dutch, he has more and more interesting personality traits than Dutch.

Like what? His excessive sweating and scared ********* face? :lol



But that's on you, if you didn't pick it up it's not the films' fault, not everything has to be over the top, the movie had enough over the top as it is.

It's a film's job to offer the audience compelling, memorable characters, and P1 is far superior in that area and it has a larger cast. What was so over the top about P1? Besides the epic hand shake, the rest was a well written group of characters.


But, it's not my mind, it's a well known fact cartels draft ex-military since forever and that most guerrillas are just uneducated villagers running around with outdated weapons :dunno:

Come on, not every guerrilla group is like that, just like not every cartel group uses ex military guys.



Holy **** that is true, wtf? That is retarded. How? Jesus.

25% is too low, but I'm not surprised.

Let me ask you a random question that has nothing to do with P2. Who wins in a fight, Goku or Superman? I just want to see if we agree on this one. :lol

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 04:43 AM
Rocky IV - 8.5/10

kryptonianmutie
03-07-2016, 06:29 AM
Rocky IV - 8.5/10
Did you watch it on cable, blu ray, or online?

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 06:33 AM
Did you watch it on cable, blu ray, or online?

Cable. They were doing a marathon of 1-5 yesterday.

kryptonianmutie
03-07-2016, 06:43 AM
Cable. They were doing a marathon of 1-5 yesterday.
Cool. I'm a cord cutter so I hope it ends up on Netflix or Amazon before I watch Creed. It would be great to watch them back to back.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 06:51 AM
Cool. I'm a cord cutter so I hope it ends up on Netflix or Amazon before I watch Creed. It would be great to watch them back to back.

They took them off Netflix? The whole series up to five was on there forever. I still need to see Creed myself but I keep procrastinating.

EVILFACE
03-07-2016, 07:22 AM
Rocky IV - 8.5/10

My favorite Rocky. Love the training montage. And it came out at the right time. USA vs USSR.

kryptonianmutie
03-07-2016, 07:22 AM
They took them off Netflix? The whole series up to five was on there forever. I still need to see Creed myself but I keep procrastinating.
Just checked instantwatcher.com and no Rocky movies are showing up. They usually rotate every few months between Netflix, Amazon and cable just like the Bond and old Star Trek movies so maybe April or May they'll be back.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 07:36 AM
My favorite Rocky. Love the training montage. And it came out at the right time. USA vs USSR.

It's definitely my favorite after the first two. And yeah, the training montage is arguably the best one of the series. I love the whole nature vs. nurture aspect in their training methods. I think my only problem with the film is Rocky not looking more messed up at the end from taking a pile driver to the face for 15 rounds :lol


Just checked instantwatcher.com and no Rocky movies are showing up. They usually rotate every few months between Netflix, Amazon and cable just like the Bond and old Star Trek movies so maybe April or May they'll be back.

They'll probably be back up at some point. Have you seen any of them?

GeneralZodLives
03-07-2016, 07:39 AM
Rocky IV is definitely my favorite after the first two. I haven't seen Creed yet so I'm not sure how it'll measure up. I've heard it was good though.

a-dev
03-07-2016, 07:43 AM
Rocky IV is definitely my favorite after the first two. I haven't seen Creed yet so I'm not sure how it'll measure up. I've heard it was good though.

More of a slow-burn film like the first Rocky.

GeneralZodLives
03-07-2016, 07:44 AM
That's not a bad thing.

kryptonianmutie
03-07-2016, 07:44 AM
It's definitely my favorite after the first two. And yeah, the training montage is arguably the best one of the series. I love the whole nature vs. nurture aspect in their training methods. I think my only problem with the film is Rocky not looking more messed up at the end from taking a pile driver to the face for 15 rounds[emoji38]


They'll probably be back up at some point. Have you seen any of them?
I've seen 1,3, and 4 in a few times. The others I fell asleep on.

a-dev
03-07-2016, 07:45 AM
That's not a bad thing.

Indeed it's not.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 07:51 AM
I've seen 1,3, and 4 in a few times. The others I fell asleep on.

5 is painful.

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 08:46 AM
Good...good

http://i.imgur.com/6aPecCO.gif
:lol:lol:lol



Climbing buildings? Who is he Spiderman? :lol He's a hunter...that's the whole point of the character, it's not about a challenge. He could have killed Glover plenty of time because he's invisible. If it was about a challenge, he wouldn't be invisible when he kills people. In the entire galaxy, he looks for a cop in LA as a challenge? Come on.
Did you sleep through the movie? There are like 2 scenes of it climbing buildings, and yes it is the point of the character, they even say it in P1, Jesus.

He could have killed Dutch in many occasions too, so?

Again with the "just an LA cop", we already established he is not just a cop and it's not regular LA.



You are not serious. No, not in a million years. Glover's crew is just not as good....they're not even around long enough to be memorable.
Very serious, and yes they are, they're not around long enough? Dude, seriously did you sleep through the movie or something?




Their rich dynamic? WTF does that even mean? They had like 4 scenes together...and not a single one is memorable, it just moves the story forward and they are fine, but you want to see them in a buddy cop film? Wut?
What does rich dynamic mean? How are you asking what does that mean? We're speaking English right? :lol Yes they are memorable, and they don't really move the story forward, they move the charactrs forward and give you a glimpse of what the characters are going through between themselves.

Yeah I would like to see a buddy cop movie of them in their ****ed up LA as much as I'd like to see Dutch's team.



Like what? His excessive sweating and scared ********* face? :lol
Dude I listed them in my 1st or 2nd post :lol



It's a film's job to offer the audience compelling, memorable characters, and P1 is far superior in that area and it has a larger cast. What was so over the top about P1? Besides the epic hand shake, the rest was a well written group of characters.
And P2 does just that, they were compelling and memorable, YOU don't remember them, that's on you, not on the movie.

What was so over the top? You don't even notice over the top? :lol


Come on, not every guerrilla group is like that, just like not every cartel group uses ex military guys.
Most of them are, and even more so in Central America, and yes, every Cartel uses ex-military. I haven't heard of a Cartel that doesn't.



25% is too low, but I'm not surprised.
C'mon, there's abso****inglutely nothing that makes P2 deserve a 25% but I'm not surprised at RT anymore.

Structurally, P2 is just as good as P1, and artistically it's but a notch below, it's at least a solid 7.



Let me ask you a random question that has nothing to do with P2. Who wins in a fight, Goku or Superman? I just want to see if we agree on this one. :lol
Oh **** that's a doozy :lol

Half of the versions of Superman would mop the floor with Goku, and Goku would mop the floor with the other half, especially since DB went multiversal in Super.

Before DB Super I would've said Superman would win in the vast majority of situations, after DB Super, it can go either way.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 10:27 AM
Did you sleep through the movie? There are like 2 scenes of it climbing buildings, and yes it is the point of the character, they even say it in P1, Jesus.

He could have killed Dutch in many occasions too, so?

Yes, he could have killed Dutch....because he wasn't a challenge either, just a trophy. Predator is a hunter....he's not looking for a real challenge. At least Dutch is more believable as an action hero, he's an abnormally muscular human lifting trucks, shooting bad guys and throwing knives at them while delivering one liners. I can see why a Predator might want to hunt him, but a cop in a city...meh.


Again with the "just an LA cop", we already established he is not just a cop and it's not regular LA.

We established? Noooo...you still believe he's super cop, but he's still just a cop, and not even a very impressive one, but it's fine if you want to believe that. In your mind he's also probably ninja along with the special forces thugs :lol



Very serious, and yes they are, they're not around long enough? Dude, seriously did you sleep through the movie or something?

No, unfortunately I was awake when I saw Predator in a bathroom. :lol




What does rich dynamic mean? How are you asking what does that mean? We're speaking English right? :lol Yes they are memorable, and they don't really move the story forward, they move the charactrs forward and give you a glimpse of what the characters are going through between themselves.

Really? They're either confused or scared....wow...how original different from the first film. Such a rich...what was it...ah yes, dynamic.


Yeah I would like to see a buddy cop movie of them in their ****ed up LA as much as I'd like to see Dutch's team.

I believe YOU want to see it.



Dude I listed them in my 1st or 2nd post :lol

No, that wasn't good enough. You said he had a "more describable personality" ...wut? He's scared and sweaty...that's about it. Then you went on about his 10 commendations and just saying he's a better character. Saying he's better doesn't make him better :lol


And P2 does just that, they were compelling and memorable, YOU don't remember them, that's on you, not on the movie.

No one remembers them...:lol


What was so over the top? You don't even notice over the top? :lol

Don't answer my question with a question? What was so over the top about the character in P1? Danny Glover and Gary Busey are the kings of overacting :lol Those characters live in a fictional over the top city...:dunno


Most of them are, and even more so in Central America, and yes, every Cartel uses ex-military. I haven't heard of a Cartel that doesn't.

What...now you work for the CIA? There's no way to know how good or bad those guerrilla soldiers were in P1, just like there's no way to know what kind of background those thugs had in P2...unless you assume things, but that doesn't count. Also,you are comparing real life cartels with some street thugs from a fictional city...so that should disqualify that comparison, because it's a different world, and we don't know much about it.



C'mon, there's abso****inglutely nothing that makes P2 deserve a 25% but I'm not surprised at RT anymore.

Structurally, P2 is just as good as P1, and artistically it's but a notch below, it's at least a solid 7.

I agree with Ebert's review, especially about not exploring the Predator's culture, considering it's a sequel which can give us something fresh. It's not a very creative film.

Predator 2 Movie Review & Film Summary (1990) | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/predator-2-1990)




Oh **** that's a doozy :lol

Half of the versions of Superman would mop the floor with Goku, and Goku would mop the floor with the other half, especially since DB went multiversal in Super.

Before DB Super I would've said Superman would win in the vast majority of situations, after DB Super, it can go either way.

I've seen all the DBS episodes ...so far, and I still think that Goku and Vegeta are physically more vulnerable...but who knows?

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 10:32 AM
I've seen all the DBS episodes ...so far, and I still think that Goku and Vegeta are physically more vulnerable...but who knows?

That's why they're more interesting.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 10:44 AM
That's why they're more interesting.

So far, I'm really liking DBS. The only thing I don't like are the new outfits, but other than that, it's pretty interesting.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 10:45 AM
So far, I'm really liking DBS. The only thing I don't like are the new outfits, but other than that, it's pretty interesting.

I can't even get started on it. The more I read about it, the more I don't even want to bother. I didn't even see the last two films outside of the battle sections.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 11:04 AM
I can't even get started on it. The more I read about it, the more I don't even want to bother. I didn't even see the last two films outside of the battle sections.

Honestly, if you watch Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F', you can skip most of the first DBS season, and just start watching the episodes that take place after the last film. So basically, episodes 27-35. There's other stuff in the first season that you don't see in those two films, but it's not that important. I'd wait for the English episode if I were you because sometimes the Japanese episodes can be a bit repetitive and I wouldn't be surprised if the English episodes combine some of the Japanese episodes into one English episode...if that makes any sense.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 11:05 AM
Honestly, if you watch Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F', you can skip most of the first DBS season, and just start watching the episodes that take place after the last film. So basically, episodes 27-35. There's other stuff in the first season that you don't see in those two films, but it's not that important. I'd wait for the English episode if I were you because sometimes the Japanese episodes can be a bit repetitive and I wouldn't be surprised if the English episodes combine some of the Japanese episodes into one English episode...if that makes any sense.

Yeah I saw a good amount of the redone fights in Super so I could compare. I much prefer the films mostly, but I did like Goku's SSG transformation in the Anime since it's more fitting of a "God."

mikedanger
03-07-2016, 11:09 AM
Zootopia - Incomplete/10

Missed the last half hour or so...it was just too intense for my 7 year old so we had to step out. I really liked what I saw though.

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 11:11 AM
Yes, he could have killed Dutch....because he wasn't a challenge either, just a trophy. Predator is a hunter....he's not looking for a real challenge. At least Dutch is more believable as an action hero, he's an abnormally muscular human lifting trucks, shooting bad guys and throwing knives at them while delivering one liners. I can see why a Predator might want to hunt him, but a cop in a city...meh.
Yeah, it's not like the first time the predator saw Harrigan he saw him recklessly driving to save to cops and then proceeding to kill a bunch of Colombians.

And it IS about the challenge, what do you think hunting for sport is? There's obviously an element of challenge.



We established? Noooo...you still believe he's super cop, but he's still just a cop, and not even a very impressive one, but it's fine if you want to believe that. In your mind he's also probably ninja along with the special forces thugs :lol
So you're denying LA was crazy violent and in such a city he was the top cop? Then you are factually wrong. Whether you think Glover pulls it off or not, the movie clearly establishes Harrigan as the equivalent of Dutch in the city, if a little more reckless.



No, unfortunately I was awake when I saw Predator in a bathroom. :lol
Literally nothing wrong with that scene.



Really? They're either confused or scared....wow...how original different from the first film. Such a rich...what was it...ah yes, dynamic.
Well, if you missed it you missed it, no point in trying to convince you when you're hell bent on not seeing it. You can clearly see when Jerry and Leona start developing a relationship and stuff like that.



I believe YOU want to see it.
That's what I said :lol



No, that wasn't good enough. You said he had a "more describable personality" ...wut? He's scared and sweaty...that's about it. Then you went on about his 10 commendations and just saying he's a better character. Saying he's better doesn't make him better :lol
You're reaching that point again where you start to ignore stuff I've already been through...

-obsessive compulsive
-reckless
-anger problems
-affraid of heights
-authority issues


No one remembers them...:lol
Their loss :lol


Don't answer my question with a question? What was so over the top about the character in P1? Danny Glover and Gary Busey are the kings of overacting :lol Those characters live in a fictional over the top city...:dunno
No, you asked, what's so over the top in P1, I ask you again, do you really not see over the top? I'm not saying P2 is any less over the top, but it's baffling that you're asking me this.


What...now you work for the CIA? There's no way to know how good or bad those guerrilla soldiers were in P1, just like there's no way to know what kind of background those thugs had in P2...unless you assume things, but that doesn't count. Also,you are comparing real life cartels with some street thugs from a fictional city...so that should disqualify that comparison, because it's a different world, and we don't know much about it.
I don't work for the CIA, I just see that **** in the news all the time. There's countless guerrilla groups in the southern states, it's an open secret that the CIA most likely started some of those groups though, but you can see they're all poor, illiterate indigenous people with weapons that barely work, and it's also WIDELY known cartels hire ex-military as operators, lieutenants, and to train their troops, all cartels, Mexicans and Colombians alike, I am not assuming anything, I KNOW what Cartels and guerrillas do, not because it's some inside knowledge, I've read about it, and I see it constantly on the news, you don't seem to know what either cartels and guerrillas are at all. You seem to think Cartels are just cholos running around and Guerrillas are these well oiled organizations, it's the other way around, YOU are assuming things because you don't seem to know what these groups are.



I agree with Ebert's review, especially about not exploring the Predator's culture, considering it's a sequel which can give us something fresh. It's not a very creative film.
Who the hell wants to know more about Predators? Leave that **** in mistery, that's one of the reasons AvP sucks. Btw, it does give you just enough for you to draw your own conclusions, that's exactly what it should've done, nothing more.

And it is pretty creative, in the fact that it took it to the city, related it to voodoo superstition, etc etc.



I've seen all the DBS episodes ...so far, and I still think that Goku and Vegeta are physically more vulnerable...but who knows?
I haven't seen DBS, I do know Goku fought with a god and caused ripples in reality, that's quite a feat.


That's why they're more interesting.
Than Supes? No way.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 11:16 AM
Than Supes? No way.

I understand why people are drawn to Supe. But I thought the whole concept of him being pretty much omnipotent not appealing. I mean, how does anything ever come to a head on Earth when he's around? :lol

At first it kinda bugged me Goku got taken out by a nothing laser, but I think it was humbling to see that even a God could die easily. Goku & Vegeta always striving to be stronger and better themselves always pulled me in. But I've actually come to like Vegeta much more the older I got.

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 11:23 AM
I understand why people are drawn to Supe. But I thought the whole concept of him being pretty much omnipotent not appealing. I mean, how does anything ever come to a head on Earth when he's around? :lol

At first it kinda bugged me Goku got taken out by a nothing laser, but I think it was humbling to see that even a God could die easily.
Then you're not getting Supes. He's not omnipotent, there are plenty characters that can kill him, he's not more omnipotent than any other main character protected by plot armor.

Weaker Supes can lend itself to more convetional storytelling.

And more powerful Supes can lend itself for awesome sci-fi/philosophical/meta exploration.

Dragon Ball is good, but from DBZ and forward it's just 2dimensional puddle deep action, nothing wrong with that though, that's why I like Dragon Ball better.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 11:28 AM
Then you're not getting Supes. He's not omnipotent, there are plenty characters that can kill him, he's not more omnipotent than any other main character protected by plot armor.

Weaker Supes can lend itself to more convetional storytelling.

And more powerful Supes can lend itself for awesome sci-fi/philosophical/meta exploration.

Dragon Ball is good, but from DBZ and forward it's just 2dimensional puddle deep action, nothing wrong with that though, that's why I like Dragon Ball better.

I guess my biggest problem with him is that he's had too many writers and at any time can be written even higher than God himself. Plot holes and inconsistencies aside, I do like that the powers in DB have slowly gotten stronger over the years at a good pace with Toriyama being the sole writer behind it. I can't speak for Super since I don't think he's fully writing it.

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 11:30 AM
I guess my biggest problem with him is that he's had too many writers and at any time can be written even higher than God himself. Plot holes and inconsistencies aside, I do like that the powers in DB have slowly gotten stronger over the years at a good pace with Toriyama being the sole writer behind it. I can't speak for Super since I don't think he's fully writing it.
Yeah that's the problem with any comicbook character, you need to pick the writers you like.

And that's also the advantage with mangas, usually only 1 writer/artist.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 11:31 AM
Yeah that's the problem with any comicbook character, you need to pick the writers you like.

And that's also the advantage with mangas, usually only 1 writer/artist.

What's the base line main "canon" powers of Superman? I know he was nuts in the Silver age.

kryptonianmutie
03-07-2016, 11:34 AM
Then you're not getting Supes. He's not omnipotent, there are plenty characters that can kill him, he's not more omnipotent than any other main character protected by plot armor.

Weaker Supes can lend itself to more convetional storytelling.

And more powerful Supes can lend itself for awesome sci-fi/philosophical/meta exploration.
.

A lot of people don't understand him because of inconsistent writing from the comics and all the damn reboots. Batman has pretty much been the same since Denny O'Neil.

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 11:46 AM
What's the base line main "canon" powers of Superman? I know he was nuts in the Silver age.
Man, that's a tough question :lol since right now, on DC everything is canon, every version is canon now, so instead of canon now, we have versions, earth 1, earth 2, earth whatever.

But basically, his power set is the same, only his powerlevels vary, right now, he's pretty much Golden Age, can't fly, has some super strength and vulnerability, but his regular power levels in current main continuity is that he can bench press the weight of the earth for 5 days straight deprived of sunlight :lol when he regains his powers, that's probably what he'll go back to.

While it looks like it's too much, it's pretty standard when it comes to top heavy hitters, Shazam and Martian Manhunter are around the same, Darkseid is far above that.


A lot of people don't understand him because of inconsistent writing from the comics and all the damn reboots. Batman has pretty much been the same since Denny O'Neil.
Yeah but you can pretty much "get" Supes if you read some of his essentials, you'll be able to pin point when someone is writing him off-character.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 11:49 AM
Man, that's a tough question :lol since right now, on DC everything is canon, every version is canon now, so instead of canon now, we have versions, earth 1, earth 2, earth whatever.

But basically, his power set is the same, only his powerlevels vary, right now, he's pretty much Golden Age, can't fly, has some super strength and vulnerability, but his regular power levels in current main continuity is that he can bench press the weight of the earth for 5 days straight deprived of sunlight :lol when he regains his powers, that's probably what he'll go back to.

While it looks like it's too much, it's pretty standard when it comes to top heavy hitters, Shazam and Martian Manhunter are around the same, Darkseid is far above that.


Yeah but you can pretty much "get" Supes if you read some of his essentials, you'll be able to pin point when someone is writing him off-character.

This is the kinda thing that turns me off :lol I just find it silly. I'm also jaded when it comes to Superman since I've seen the Reeve films so many goddamn times that I look at him as the mold for all the abilities of Superman (besides going back in time and the cellophane "S")

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 11:53 AM
This is the kinda thing that turns me off :lol I just find it silly. I'm also jaded when it comes to Superman since I've seen the Reeve films so many goddamn times that I look at him as the mold for all the abilities of Superman (besides going back in time and the cellophane "S")

Really? But Goku right now can do so much more than that, I understand now he can create ripples in reality by fighting with another God. :lol

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 11:58 AM
Really? But Goku right now can do so much more than that, I understand now he can create ripples in reality by fighting with another God. :lol

I did see that little clip of that. The thing is, the DB series was never about physical strength and more about ki strength. They can destroy entire worlds with ease, and even more so now... but as for actually lifting stuff up? It's really never been demonstrated a scientific level. I wish they would honestly, since they're always only showcasing their energy instead.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 12:01 PM
Wait a minute... I'm wrong. I just remember Frieza punched the ground a few times and the Earth blew up :lol

Still, it's not good enough to really register what they can really do since situations never really require it since they either are punching each other or flying through mountains after getting punched.

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 12:03 PM
Yeah :lol if they can fight perfectly at 100G, I have no problem believing current Goku could benchpress the earth.

Powerlevels man, don't even think about them :lol

kryptonianmutie
03-07-2016, 12:04 PM
the cellophane "S")

That is the single most ridiculous moment of any Superman movie. People can bring up Superman III and IV, and those are legitimately bad movies, but cellophane S has to be the silliest and dumbest way to fight supervillains.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 12:05 PM
100G? Goku and Vegeta mastered that. Vegeta hasn't gravity train since the Buu era and he went up to 450G and could fight pretty normally and that was even before turning SS. I really wish they'd bring gravity training back.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 12:06 PM
That is the single most ridiculous moment of any Superman movie. People can bring up Superman III and IV, and those are legitimately bad movies, but cellophane S has to be the silliest and dumbest way to fight supervillains.

I only acknowledge the first two, for obvious reasons. :lol

It's so embarrassing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS9GJNETHsw

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 12:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DbTGT03Z40

That and time traveling by reversing the rotation of the earth :lol


100G? Goku and Vegeta mastered that. Vegeta hasn't gravity train since the Buu era and he went up to 450G and could fight pretty normally and that was even before turning SS. I really wish they'd bring gravity training back.

Oh yeah, 450G, damn, that's ****ing crazy, one would pass out at like 7/8 G, and these guys ****ing fight in 450G :lol

Yeah, gravity training was awesome.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 12:14 PM
Yeah, it's not like the first time the predator saw Harrigan he saw him recklessly driving to save to cops and then proceeding to kill a bunch of Colombians.

And it IS about the challenge, what do you think hunting for sport is? There's obviously an element of challenge.

Big deal...and for the Predator to be in a city is just plain retarded to begin with. Yeah, invisible fighter who can kill people whenever he wants is looking for a challenge, right...he's there to hunt the most "worthy" human he can find, but not because they're a challenge. Still, Glover wasn't even the most worthy character in his own film. Busey was a better trophy.



So you're denying LA was crazy violent and in such a city he was the top cop? Then you are factually wrong. Whether you think Glover pulls it off or not, the movie clearly establishes Harrigan as the equivalent of Dutch in the city, if a little more reckless.

Please, the equivalent of Dutch? GTF out of here....he's not even the equivalent Dillon :lol



Literally nothing wrong with that scene.

There is plenty wrong with a Predator in someone's bathroom...in some building :lol



Well, if you missed it you missed it, no point in trying to convince you when you're hell bent on not seeing it. You can clearly see when Jerry and Leona start developing a relationship and stuff like that.

They're working together...and not once are they given a meaningful character moment of them together....she goes from grabbing him to...nothing happens ...to subway death. There's nothing to miss.



That's what I said :lol

And I believe you were telling the truth, unlike some of the other posts saying that the cast of P2 is just as good. That's so absurd, I don't believe you believe it.



You're reaching that point again where you start to ignore stuff I've already been through..
-obsessive compulsive
-reckless
-anger problems
-affraid of heights
-authority issues

None of that makes him a better character :dunno Some of those traits are so generic, no wonder why he's not a memorable character at all. :lol





No, you asked, what's so over the top in P1, I ask you again, do you really not see over the top? I'm not saying P2 is any less over the top, but it's baffling that you're asking me this.

Actually, that was your initial point, that P2's character dynamic was so subtle and not over the top that it's the reason it's not as memorable as P1, but I guess you changed your mind again :lol So I asked what was so over the top about P1's character dynamic compared to P2? :dunno The only difference between the two casts, is that one is memorable and quotable, and the P2 is forgettable...seriously, ask anyone about P2'S cast...there's nothing they can say about them.





I don't work for the CIA, I just see that **** in the news all the time. There's countless guerrilla groups in the southern states, it's an open secret that the CIA most likely started some of those groups though, but you can see they're all poor, illiterate indigenous people with weapons that barely work, and it's also WIDELY known cartels hire ex-military as operators, lieutenants, and to train their troops, all cartels, Mexicans and Colombians alike, I am not assuming anything, I KNOW what Cartels and guerrillas do, not because it's some inside knowledge, I've read about it, and I see it constantly on the news, you don't seem to know what either cartels and guerrillas are at all. You seem to think Cartels are just cholos running around and Guerrillas are these well oiled organizations, it's the other way around, YOU are assuming things because you don't seem to know what these groups are.

I'm only accepting what the films offers, you are the one bringing real world knowledge into a fictional LA city while watching some thugs shoot some guns. There's was nothing about their skills in the film that suggests they have any training or that they are elite in any way....even Glover don't mention anything. At least in P1 we're looking at people in uniforms and an organized group.



Who the hell wants to know more about Predators? Leave that **** in mistery, that's one of the reasons AvP sucks. Btw, it does give you just enough for you to draw your own conclusions, that's exactly what it should've done, nothing more.

The reason AVP sucks has nothing to do with us knowing more about the Predator civilization. :lol I think most people and Predator fans want to know more about their history, culture, and civilization...that's the next logical step, not gives up a mediocre sequel with a similar looking predator in a new setting, making it a less effective copy of the first film.


And it is pretty creative, in the fact that it took it to the city, related it to voodoo superstition, etc etc.

The only thing interesting about P2 is when Glover goes in the ship and we see the Alien skull among the other trophies and we learn that they have been around for a long time, but instead of exploring all those options, we get a monster in a city instead of the jungle...yeah, very creative. :lol




Than Supes? No way.

Yeah, Vegeta is more interesting than Superman. His evolution as a character is more interesting than anything I've seen from Superman.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 12:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DbTGT03Z40

That and time traveling by reversing the rotation of the earth :lol



Oh yeah, 450G, damn, that's ****ing crazy, one would pass out at like 7/8 G, and these guys ****ing fight in 450G :lol

Yeah, gravity training was awesome.

Train on Neutron stars!! :devil

Bizzare Binary Neutron Stars With Gravity 300 Billion Times Earth --Confirms Einstein (http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2013/04/bizzare-binary-neutron-stars-with-gravity-300-billion-times-earth-confirm-theory-of-relativity.html)

kryptonianmutie
03-07-2016, 12:23 PM
Black Hawk Down 8/10

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 12:25 PM
100G? Goku and Vegeta mastered that. Vegeta hasn't gravity train since the Buu era and he went up to 450G and could fight pretty normally and that was even before turning SS. I really wish they'd bring gravity training back.

There's new training in DBS that you might like...that's a big part of the new series, Gogu and Vegeta training in this other world.

Snake Plissken
03-07-2016, 12:33 PM
There's new training in DBS that you might like...that's a big part of the new series, Gogu and Vegeta training in this other world.

I did see some clips of that. The blocks they hook their arms in, right?

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 12:36 PM
Big deal...and for the Predator to be in a city is just plain retarded to begin with. Yeah, invisible fighter who can kill people whenever he wants is looking for a challenge, right...he's there to hunt the most "worthy" human he can find, but not because they're a challenge. Still, Glover wasn't even the most worthy character in his own film. Busey was a batter trophy.
Yet you never managed to tell me how the Pred being in the city is any different AT ALL from being in the jungle.

Busey was a better trophy? What are you trying to do? :lol you can't be serious, you must know this is a very easy argument to prove wrong so you must be trolling. Why do you always end up trolling? Can't you disscuss nice?



There is plenty wrong with a Predator in someone's bathroom...in some building :lol
It's absurd and ridiculous. But nothing wrong with it.



They're working together...and not once are they given a meaningful character moment of them together....she goes from grabbing him to...nothing happens ...to subway death. There's nothing to miss.
You missed it, it's alright, you're not willing to give it a chance, no big deal.



And I believe you were telling the truth, unlike some of the other posts saying that the cast of P2 is just as good. That's so absurd, I don't believe you believe it.
Then you are wrong, again.



None of that makes him a better character :dunno
It does, it really does.



Actually, that was your initial point, that P2's character dynamic was so subtle and not over the top that it's the reason it's not as memorable as P1, but I guess you changed your mind again :lol So I asked what as so over the top about P1's character dynamic compared to P2? :dunno The only difference between the two casts, is that one is memorable and quotable, and the P2 is forgettable...seriously, ask anyone about P2'S cast...there's nothing they can say about them.
That wasn't my initial point at all, dude, you always twist arguments with your misunderstandings, I said it was subtle and that's why YOU MISSED IT.

When did I change my mind for the 1st time?

No, you asked what was so over the top about P1, read it again, if you're asking NOW about what's so over the top about P1's crew, nothing, but that's nowhere near what I was talking about.

You can get all sorts of quotes from P2, why do you keep using the fact that you don't remember stuff as an argument?



I'm only accepting what the films offer, you are the one bringing real world knowledge into a fictional LA city while watching some thugs shoot some guns. There's was nothing about their skills in the film that suggests they have any training or that they are elite in any way....even Glover don't mention anything. At least in P1 we're looking at people in uniforms and an organized group.
You do know cartels and guerrillas exist in real life right?

The fact that they're a Cartel, which means they're run INTERNATIONAL operations.... Yeah, not organized at all.



The reason AVP sucks has nothing to do with us knowing more about the Predator civilization. :lol I think most people and Predator fans want to know more about their history, culture, and civilization...that's the next logical step, not gives up a mediocre sequel with a similar looking predator in a new setting, making it a less effective copy of the first film.
That's not the next logical step, that's the fanfic way of thinking :lol



The only thing interesting about P2 is when Glover goes in the ship and we see the Alien skull among the other trophies and we learn that they have been around for a long time, but instead of exploring all those options, we get a monster in a city instead of the jungle...yeah, very creative. :lol
It is, in fact.

And they don't need to explore those options, leave that **** to us, you're really used to being spoon fed aren't you? :lol



Yeah, Vegeta is more interesting than Superman. His evolution as a character is more interesting than anything I've seen from Superman.
You haven't seen much then.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 01:05 PM
Yet you never managed to tell me how the Pred being in the city is any different AT ALL from being in the jungle.

Busey was a better trophy? What are you trying to do? :lol you can't be serious, you must know this is a very easy argument to prove wrong so you must be trolling. Why do you always end up trolling? Can't you disscuss nice?

If I have to explain why a Predator in a city is just plain wrong, then...you either saw P2 before you ever saw P1, or you just don't get it.

Busey not only knew about the Predator before Glover, he was hunting him, he went toe to toe with him and even after getting burned, he kept fighting and coming back. That's P1 worthy right there...keep your "super" ...average cop.



It's absurd and ridiculous.

And that's why it's wrong, thank you :)



You missed it, it's alright, you're not willing to give it a chance, no big deal.

Give me a meaningful moment with the two of them...go ahead.


Then you are wrong, again.

Haven't been wrong yet though...my whole point is that P1 is significantly superior to P2, which it is.



It does, it really does.

Makes him different than Dutch, but not better. Big difference.



That wasn't my initial point at all, dude, you always twist arguments with your misunderstandings, I said it was subtle and that's why YOU MISSED IT.

When did I change my mind for the 1st time?

No, you asked what was so over the top about P1, read it again, if you're asking NOW about what's so over the top about P1's crew, nothing, but that's nowhere near what I was talking about.

But that's what we were talking about, the crew, which is what P1 is mostly about, a group of soldiers in a jungle. :dunno There are plenty of subtle moments in P1, and yet not only are the characters more memorable, they are better too, unlike P2.


You can get all sorts of quotes from P2, why do you keep using the fact that you don't remember stuff as an argument?

The fact there's nothing quotable about the film...it has less to do with my lack of memory and more to do with mediocre writing. How often do you see people quoting P2?



You do know cartels and guerrillas exist in real life right?

The fact that they're a Cartel, which means they're run INTERNATIONAL operations.... Yeah, not organized at all.

They didn't seem very skilled at all.



That's not the next logical step, that's the fanfic way of thinking :lol
And they don't need to explore those options, leave that **** to us, you're really used to being spoon fed aren't you? :lol

Oh, you have no problems imagining things...you have proved that :lol Spoon fed? You want the same formula over and over again. It has nothing to do with being spoon fed, and more to do with exploring a whole different world, race, and history, but you just want a less effective carbon copy of the first film in a city :lol Boring...which is why the film is forgettable and no one gives a **** about it. What's your ideal Predator 3? Let me use my imagination and guess....Alien in a new city chasing new guy who has a fear of female private parts...so it will pay off when the Predator takes off his mask and he can re use the "your're one ugly" line from P1 because the writers couldn't come up with something new and original :lol


You haven't seen much then.

I've seen enough, but one of the advantages DBZ has over Superman, is that there's mostly one consistent canon, whereas Superman, it's all over the place, which has some benefits too, but that lack of consistency makes him less interesting overall, because there are many different versions of the character, and they end up being different characters. So for example, Superman from Red Son can be interesting, but that's not really Superman...or the version from All Star is interesting, but again, it's just a different version.

Mad Old Lu
03-07-2016, 02:57 PM
Pixels: 4/10
I would be the perfect target audience since I have fond memories of practically living in arcades and endlessly playing Donkey Kong, but the nostalgia factor barely made a difference for me. The movie just was not funny. Peter Dinklage was probably the best thing in the movie. There were pauses where they obviously assumed people would be laughing. But because it wasn’t funny, it was just very strange pauses in the scenes. Not like I had high hopes for the movie or anything, but I really didn’t expect it to be that bland. I actually like a handful of Sandler movies like Big Daddy and Zohan, but this one was just so blah.

mikedanger
03-07-2016, 04:01 PM
Walls of Quoted Text 0/10

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 05:50 PM
If I have to explain why a Predator in a city is just plain wrong, then...you either saw P2 before you ever saw P1, or you just don't get it.
But it isn't wrong, and you failed to prove otherwise. And no I saw P1 first.

You don't like the city, that's all well and good, but there's nothing inherently wrong about that setting for the predator.



Busey not only knew about the Predator before Glover, he was hunting him, he went toe to toe with him and even after getting burned, he kept fighting and coming back. That's P1 worthy right there...keep your "super" ...average cop.
:lol I give up.



And that's why it's wrong, thank you :)
:lol Jesus.


Give me a meaningful moment with the two of them...go ahead.
I can, but I'm not gonna spoon feed you any longer, like I said if you missed it, it's ok, no big deal.


Haven't been wrong yet though...my whole point is that P1 is significantly superior to P2, which it is.
You have, twice, and I've pointed out both times.



Makes him different than Dutch, but not better. Big difference.
Okay, different AND better.



But that's what we were talking about, the crew, which is what P1 is mostly about, a group of soldiers in a jungle. :dunno There are plenty of subtle moments in P1, and yet not only are the characters more memorable, they are better too, unlike P2.
But it wasn't, I said the interactions between the P2 crew was more subdued and it didn't need to be over the top because the movie had plenty over the top already, then you literally asked what's so over the top about P1, not about the crew, if you meant about the P1 crew, I already gave you my answer.



The fact there's nothing quotable about the film...it has less to do with my lack of memory and more to do with mediocre writing. How often do you see people quoting P2?
What's mediocre about it? Does good writing = quotable? I remember a couple of bad one liners that are equally quotable but I won't bag on P1 for it.

And there are plenty quotes. But at this point you just won't see eye to eye.



They didn't seem very skilled at all.
And the guerrillas did :lol



Oh, you have no problems imagining things...you have proved that :lol Spoon fed? You want the same formula over and over again. It has nothing to do with being spoon fed, and more to do with exploring a whole different world, race, and history, but you just want a less effective carbon copy of the first film in a city :lol Boring...which is why the film is forgettable and no one gives a **** about it. What's your ideal Predator 3? Let me use my imagination and guess....Alien in a new city chasing new guy who has a fear of female private parts...so it will pay off when the Predator takes off his mask and he can re use the "your're one ugly" line from P1 because the writers couldn't come up with something new and original :lol
If by the "imagining" things you mean the guerrilla and cartels again, I thought it was pretty clear that I'm going by what is very widely known, and you were going by what you didn't know, that is imagining.

Carbon copy? And you have no problem with Predators? Predators is a carbon copy, Predator 2 may use the same formula but it at least mixed things up.

Why are you getting so sassy? :lol :1-1:



I've seen enough, but one of the advantages DBZ has over Superman, is that there's mostly one consistent canon, whereas Superman, it's all over the place, which has some benefits too, but that lack of consistency makes him less interesting overall, because there are many different versions of the character, and they end up being different characters. So for example, Superman from Red Son can be interesting, but that's not really Superman...or the version from All Star is interesting, but again, it's just a different version.
Fair enough, but why would you want to go by the lowest common denominator when talking about a 75 year spanning character? You take the defining the highest one, the one it's praised for.

DBZ may be more consistent, but Goku is still pretty 2Dimensional when compared to Superman, as well as the vast majority of the rest of the DB characters.

Red Son Superman is pretty much Superman character-wise, and All-Star is Silver Age condensed into one book.

Look man, no offense but I give up :lol take this one, we're just not seeing eye to eye on this one.

kryptonianmutie
03-07-2016, 06:02 PM
But it isn't wrong, and you failed to prove otherwise. And no I saw P1 first.

You don't like the city, that's all well and good, but there's nothing inherently wrong about that setting for the predator.

[emoji38]I give up.

[emoji38]Jesus.


I can, but I'm not gonna spoon feed you any longer, like I said if you missed it, it's ok, no big deal.


You have, twice, and I've pointed out both times.


Okay, different AND better.


But it wasn't, I said the interactions between the P2 crew was more subdued and it didn't need to be over the top because the movie had plenty over the top already, then you literally asked what's so over the top about P1, not about the crew, if you meant about the P1 crew, I already gave you my answer.


What's mediocre about it? Does good writing = quotable? I remember a couple of bad one liners that are equally quotable but I won't bag on P1 for it.

And there are plenty quotes. But at this point you just won't see eye to eye.


And the guerrillas did[emoji38]

If by the "imagining" things you mean the guerrilla and cartels again, I thought it was pretty clear that I'm going by what is very widely known, and you were going by what you didn't know, that is imagining.

Carbon copy? And you have no problem with Predators? Predators is a carbon copy, Predator 2 may use the same formula but it at least mixed things up.

Why are you getting so sassy?[emoji38]:1-1:


Fair enough, but why would you want to go by the lowest common denominator when talking about a 75 year spanning character? You take the defining the highest one, the one it's praised for.

DBZ may be more consistent, but Goku is still pretty 2Dimensional when compared to Superman, as well as the vast majority of the rest of the DB characters.

Red Son Superman is pretty much Superman character-wise, and All-Star is Silver Age condensed into one book.

Look man, no offense but I give up[emoji38]take this one, we're just not seeing eye to eye on this one.


If I have to explain why a Predator in a city is just plain wrong, then...you either saw P2 before you ever saw P1, or you just don't get it.

Busey not only knew about the Predator before Glover, he was hunting him, he went toe to toe with him and even after getting burned, he kept fighting and coming back. That's P1 worthy right there...keep your "super" ...average cop.




And that's why it's wrong, thank you :)




Give me a meaningful moment with the two of them...go ahead.



Haven't been wrong yet though...my whole point is that P1 is significantly superior to P2, which it is.




Makes him different than Dutch, but not better. Big difference.




But that's what we were talking about, the crew, which is what P1 is mostly about, a group of soldiers in a jungle. :dunno There are plenty of subtle moments in P1, and yet not only are the characters more memorable, they are better too, unlike P2.



The fact there's nothing quotable about the film...it has less to do with my lack of memory and more to do with mediocre writing. How often do you see people quoting P2?




They didn't seem very skilled at all.




Oh, you have no problems imagining things...you have proved that[emoji38]Spoon fed? You want the same formula over and over again. It has nothing to do with being spoon fed, and more to do with exploring a whole different world, race, and history, but you just want a less effective carbon copy of the first film in a city[emoji38]Boring...which is why the film is forgettable and no one gives a **** about it. What's your ideal Predator 3? Let me use my imagination and guess....Alien in a new city chasing new guy who has a fear of female private parts...so it will pay off when the Predator takes off his mask and he can re use the "your're one ugly" line from P1 because the writers couldn't come up with something new and original [emoji38]



I've seen enough, but one of the advantages DBZ has over Superman, is that there's mostly one consistent canon, whereas Superman, it's all over the place, which has some benefits too, but that lack of consistency makes him less interesting overall, because there are many different versions of the character, and they end up being different characters. So for example, Superman from Red Son can be interesting, but that's not really Superman...or the version from All Star is interesting, but again, it's just a different version.
This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object.

The Ween
03-07-2016, 06:02 PM
Walls of Quoted Text 0/10

:lol:lol:lol

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 06:06 PM
This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object.

http://www.helloerik.com/wp-content/uploads/theriddle.jpg

EarlHickey98
03-07-2016, 06:12 PM
Been on a Tom Hanks roll, plan on watching Green Mile, Gump and Cast Away in the coming weeks.

Big: 9/10
One of my favourites.

Turner & Hooch: 7.6/10
Catch Me If You Can: 7.3/10
That Thing You Do!: 7/10

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 06:27 PM
But it isn't wrong, and you failed to prove otherwise. And no I saw P1 first.

You don't like the city, that's all well and good, but there's nothing inherently wrong about that setting for the predator.

All the prove I need is the film itself....Predator works best in a Jungle environment, not in a building :lol



:lol I give up.

Wise decision :lol



:lol Jesus.

He won't help you...he also hates P2. :lol



I can, but I'm not gonna spoon feed you any longer, like I said if you missed it, it's ok, no big deal.

I can spoon feed you some P1 scenes. Give me at least ONE scene with Jerry and the chick. You can't.



You have, twice, and I've pointed out both times.

Nah, your argument is flawed to begin with.



Okay, different AND better.

Don't forget...forgettable.



But it wasn't, I said the interactions between the P2 crew was more subdued and it didn't need to be over the top because the movie had plenty over the top already, then you literally asked what's so over the top about P1, not about the crew, if you meant about the P1 crew, I already gave you my answer.

My point is that P1 is about the crew...you know, soldiers in a jungle. And their acting isn't really over the top at all, with plenty of subtle moments, yet they are more memorable.



What's mediocre about it? Does good writing = quotable? I remember a couple of bad one liners that are equally quotable but I won't bag on P1 for it.

And there are plenty quotes. But at this point you just won't see eye to eye.

What's mediocre? It's not an original sequel, and most great films have quotable dialogue and timeless moments.



And the guerrillas did :lol

They were resting :lol We never saw them in action, so no way to know.



If by the "imagining" things you mean the guerrilla and cartels again, I thought it was pretty clear that I'm going by what is very widely known, and you were going by what you didn't know, that is imagining.

You are still assuming things about thugs that we know nothing about from a fictional world, using real world knowledge. I can give you the guerilla thing in P1 maybe, because that could be in any jungle in Central America and it's not necessarily a fictional world like the L.A. from P2.


Carbon copy? And you have no problem with Predators? Predators is a carbon copy, Predator 2 may use the same formula but it at least mixed things up.

I told you I didn't like the Predators cast, but at least they went back to basics to a jungle, plus putting different humans with different backgrounds, including serial killers, yakuza guys, prisoners...etc...on an alien planet for the sole purpose of hunting, is more interesting than some Predator in a city killing cops. It's not the most original film, but it was a safe film to restart the franchise after all the bad sequels and AVP films. P2 was just an odd sequel, when they could have expanded that universe and explore other aspects of that universe, but instead we got a fictional L.A. with a Predator fighting cops.


Why are you getting so sassy? :lol :1-1:

I'm not...yet :lol



Fair enough, but why would you want to go by the lowest common denominator when talking about a 75 year spanning character? You take the defining the highest one, the one it's praised for.

DBZ may be more consistent, but Goku is still pretty 2Dimensional when compared to Superman, as well as the vast majority of the rest of the DB characters.

Red Son Superman is pretty much Superman character-wise, and All-Star is Silver Age condensed into one book.

Look man, no offense but I give up :lol take this one, we're just not seeing eye to eye on this one.

I agree about Goku and most characters. I was only talking about Vegeta.

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 06:41 PM
All the prove I need is the film itself....Predator works best in a Jungle environment, not in a building :lol
But you didn't prove that at all.



I can spoon feed you some P1 scenes. Give me at least ONE scene with Jerry and the chick. You can't.
You don't need to, I remember them perfectly, and I can give you one scene with Jerry and the chick, but I won't, like I said, I'm not gonna spoon feed you any more and even if I did you're not going to recognize it.



Nah, your argument is flawed to begin with.
Saying it doesn't make it true, you have to prove that, and you haven't.



Don't forget...forgettable.
I guess I have eidetic memory or something.



My point is that P1 is about the crew...you know, soldiers in a jungle. And their acting isn't really over the top at all, with plenty of subtle moments, yet they are more memorable.
But I wasn't talking about that, you always do this, you twist the argument and drag the point you twisted into being :lol



What's mediocre? It's not an original sequel, and most great films have quotable dialogue and timeless moments.
You really don't remember the bad lines?


They were resting :lol We never saw them in action, so no way to know.
Convenient.


You are still assuming things about thugs that we know nothing about from a fictional world, using real world knowledge. I can give you the guerilla thing in P1 maybe, because that could be any jungle in Central America and it's not necessarily a fictional world like the L.A. from P2.
Dude, I'm assuming things about a Cartel because of how Cartels ARE :slap you were assuming things about cartles and guerrillas based on what you didn't know about BOTH.

If anything, the fact that LA's violence is exaggerate means the threat level of their thugs should be equally exaggerated. Don't you think?



I told you I didn't like the Predators cast, but at least they went back to basics to a jungle, plus putting different humans with different backgrounds, including serial killers, yakuza guys, prisoners...etc...on an alien planet for the sole purpose of hunting, is more interesting than some Predator in a city killing cops. It's not the most original film, but it was a safe film to restart the franchise after all the bad sequels and AVP films. P2 was just an odd sequel, when they could have expanded that universe and explore other aspects of that universe, but instead we got a fictional L.A. with a Predator fighting cops.
They did not need to explain anything, what they hinted at was more than enough.



I agree about Goku and most characters. I was only talking about Vegeta.
Same.

YankeesFanboy
03-07-2016, 06:51 PM
Oh, you two. :lol

Creed - 78/100. This had potential but the title fight was ridiculous. I couldn't buy Pretty Ricky Conlan as the LHC of the world. Which is funny because the guy who plays him, Tony Bellew, WAS the LHC of the world. Oh, boxing, what happened to you? :lol

Spotlight - 90/100. A little understated and a bit by-the-numbers but it's a story about an issue that needed to be chronicled.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 07:29 PM
But you didn't prove that at all.

What, that the film isn't as great as P1? The 25% on RT, the 4.6/10, and 40% fan approval on RT aren't enough? :lol

I thought you were giving up, yet here you are...perhaps this is the ultimate baiting, have you ever thought about that? :lol A bait within a bait within some truth:devil



You don't need to, I remember them perfectly, and I can give you one scene with Jerry and the chick, but I won't, like I said, I'm not gonna spoon feed you any more and even if I did you're not going to recognize it.

I saw the film years ago. I'm sure I'll remember the scene if you say it...go ahead.


Saying it doesn't make it true, you have to prove that, and you haven't.

Film is subjective...but even you agreed at one point that P1 is better, so I'm not just saying it, nor do I need to prove anything anymore. I can make a poll if you like, and we'll see how people view P2 compared to P1.



But I wasn't talking about that, you always do this, you twist the argument and drag the point you twisted into being :lol

Are you calling me a woman? :lol


You really don't remember the bad lines?

In P1? Not that many, but then again Arnie can make good lines sound silly with his accent. Still, even great films have bad lines, it doesn't mean anything.


Convenient.

It's true though.



Dude, I'm assuming things about a Cartel because of how Cartels ARE :slap you were assuming things about cartles and guerrillas based on what you didn't know about BOTH.

Yeah, you assume too much, that's been established. I don't know enough about either group in the films because they don't do much except...get kill. The film doesn't give too much info about them and their skills in P2 aren't anything special.


If anything, the fact that LA's violence is exaggerate means the threat level of their thugs should be equally exaggerated. Don't you think?

We don't know. That's an assumption...you're doing it again. :lol


They did not need to explain anything, what they hinted at was more than enough.

I said explore and and expand the universe...and most people would agree that's a good thing with endless possibilities...just ask NECA :lol But hey...you want alien Jason Vorhees, except even he evolved. I give them credit for at least trying new things.


Same

Still, I'll take him over Superman from the animated series.

rushmore223
03-07-2016, 07:54 PM
You two are putting more time and effort into arguing about Predator 2 than they put into making it.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 07:56 PM
You two are putting more time and effort into arguing about Predator 2 than they put into making it.

:lol:lol:lol

That's sad :monkey2

WWEJedi
03-07-2016, 08:09 PM
The Good Dinosaur - I think this was Pixar's worst movie. I knew what would happen two minutes in.

Citizenfour - Held my attention. Nice documentary. Makes you think....

Bridge of Spies - Great movie that told the story of a previously unknown American Hero that saved close to 10,000 people. Not a movie that I can see myself watching again, nonetheless I enjoyed it.

rushmore223
03-07-2016, 08:14 PM
The Good Dinosaur - I think this was Pixar's worst movie. I knew what would happen two minutes in.

I'll agree that it's in Pixars shallower end, but the worst? I believe that distinction belongs to Cars and Cars 2.

One thing it does have going for it is the environments, absolutely amazing! They are practically photorealistic.

RIDDICK
03-07-2016, 08:35 PM
unknown American Hero
Ugh...

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 08:57 PM
What, that the film isn't as great as P1? The 25% on RT, the 4.6/10, and 40% fan approval on RT aren't enough? :lol

I thought you were giving up, yet here you are...perhaps this is the ultimate baiting, have you ever thought about that? :lol A bait within a bait within some truth:devil
Not only that's not enough, that's absolutely nothing, appealing to popularity is absolutely nothing and that's what your argument amounts to.

I did give up, I'm no longer trying to discuss with you :lol you're just not willing to discuss. Another time.


I saw the film years ago. I'm sure I'll remember the scene if you say it...go ahead.
Do you really think you're gonna catch me bluffing? There are a couple scenes, not only one, you can stop trying, if you want to know which one it is, watch the movie again, if you miss it again, you missed it, no big deal.


Film is subjective...but even you agreed at one point that P1 is better,
Yeah, so?


so I'm not just saying it, nor do I need to prove anything anymore. I can make a poll if you like, and we'll see how people view P2 compared to P1.
You actually did need to prove a couple things but you simply ignored them, which is why I gave up, make a poll if you want, go ahead, you're still appealing to popularity.


Are you calling me a woman? :lol
I'm calling you a baiter



In P1? Not that many, but then again Arnie can make good lines sound silly with his accent. Still, even great films have bad lines, it doesn't mean anythin.It means absolutely everything when you're claiming P2 has bad writing, P2 and P1 have the same level of quality writing.


It's true though.
smh


Yeah, you assume too much, that's been established. I don't know enough about either group in the films because they don't do much except...get kill. The film doesn't give too much info about them and their skills in P2 aren't anything special.
Yes I assume from what is known info, you assume from what you don't know, that's been established indeed.

The film doesn't need to establish cartels nor guerrillas, cartels are cartels and guerrillas are guerrillas, how do you expect these "fictional" groups to not share traits from the real life groups? :slap:



We don't know. That's an assumption...you're doing it again. :lol
I'm playing to your logic, or are you gonna deny that LA 10 times more violent than it is in reality?

We don't know anything about either group in the movies, yet, to you it doesn't make sense that you draw "assumptions" based on what these groups are SUPPOSED to be :slap you think it's more logical to think guerrillas are more organized than cartels because they're wearing uniform, and that thinking otherwise because that's not how it really is, is "assuming". :lol

VintijDroidGutzz
03-07-2016, 09:00 PM
Christ almighty, Gaspar (you too Clown Prince of typing). :lol

------

I caught 'Kickboxer' again for the first time in years the other day -- 7.8 / 10.

Cheesy as ****, but it's Van Damme in his absolute prime, & the fight scenes with Tong Po are still excellent to this day.

a-dev
03-07-2016, 09:07 PM
How you chaps have the patience to individually quote and respond to specific lines :lol

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 09:17 PM
How you chaps have the patience to individually quote and respond to specific lines :lol

Quick fingers :lol

ladies dig if you know what I'm saying ;^)

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 09:32 PM
Not only that's not enough, that's absolutely nothing, appealing to popularity is absolutely nothing and that's what your argument amounts to.

Who's getting sassy now? :lol

Still, you have fail to show how P2 is some how a great sequel. My whole argument is that P1 is significantly better....and again, if the popular consensus, which includes the Predator fanbase as well as critics agree that P2 is a below average sequel, then nothing I say will change your mind :dunno You sound like WWEjedi defending the prequels, dude.



Do you really think you're gonna catch me bluffing? There are a couple scenes, not only one, you can stop trying, if you want to know which one it is, watch the movie again, if you miss it again, you missed it, no big deal.

I can watch the clips on Youtube if you give me a hint...


I did give up, I'm no longer trying to discuss with you :lol you're just not willing to discuss. Another time.

There was not much to discuss to begin with...you like a film and I don't like it that much, but you think it's a great sequel because you probably saw it when you were a kid, so nostalgia has blinded you.


Yeah, so?

If you agree that P1 is better, then they are not of equal quality...which goes against one of your points.



You actually did need to prove a couple things but you simply ignored them, which is why I gave up, make a poll if you want, go ahead, you're still appealing to popularity.

It's okay, you know the superior film will win the poll.


It means absolutely everything when you're claiming P2 has bad writing, P2 and P1 have the same level of quality writing.

No, because P1 is the original, the film that gave us that world and the main creature...and P2 is an uninspired copy in a new setting. That alone shows how the writing is not equal. One film is full of memorable moments and lines but that's not enough prof for you... but hey, you want to be cool by not liking popular stuff! Fine :lol


Yes I assume from what is known info, you assume from what you don't know, that's been established indeed.

The film doesn't need to establish cartels nor guerrillas, cartels are cartels and guerrillas are guerrillas, how do you expect these "fictional" groups to not share traits from the real life groups? :slap:

They didn't show any real skills and they were high on drugs :lol One group was ambushed and the other don't even show any tactical skills if they're ex military...I guess you can blame the directors or the second unit director for that.


I'm playing to your logic, or are you gonna deny that LA 10 times more violent than it is in reality?

We don't know anything about either group in the movies, yet, to you it doesn't make sense that you draw "assumptions" based on what these groups are SUPPOSED to be :slap you think it's more logical to think guerrillas are more organized than cartels because they're wearing uniform, and that thinking otherwise because that's not how it really is, is "assuming". :lol

I'm judging the thugs based on their lack of tactical skills and the P1 guerillas didn't do enough for me to judge their skills because they were ambushed, by what seems to be a superior group which shows tactical skills through the film. Can't say that about the LA cops.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 09:41 PM
How you chaps have the patience to individually quote and respond to specific lines :lol

We do it we grace and dignity

http://i.imgur.com/ayT8OIJ.gif

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 09:53 PM
Who's getting sassy now? :lol

Still, you have fail to show how P2 is some how a great sequel. My whole argument is that P1 is significantly better....and again, if the popular consensus, which includes the Predator fanbase as well as critics agree that P2 is a below average sequel, then nothing I say will change your mind :dunno You sound like WWEjedi defending the prequels, dude.
But you are appealing to popularity a whole lot, I'm not getting sassy, you are not backing up your arguments, you're literally just throwing the RT score which mean absolutely nothing and you know it.

And I have shown how P2 is a great sequel, you're just been nu-uh-ing the whole time.

Do I really sound like WWEJedi? Or are you just spiteful at this point? Out of both of us, who's the one who ignored the burden of proof, yet, demanding to get proof or a certain scene?


I can watch the clips on Youtube if you give me a hint...
Watch the movie. It beats the point if I tell you, if you miss it you miss it.


There was not much to discuss to begin with...you like a film and I don't like it that much, but you think it's a great sequel because you probably saw it when you were a kid, so nostalgia has blinded you.
Actually no, nothing about my argument was about nostalgia, first it was that I saw P2 before P1, which isn't true, and I actually saw P2 much much later, probably in my teens, so nostalgia has nothing to do with it, I've supported my arguments but you just won't hear it, no biggie.


If you agree that P1 is better, then they are not of equal quality...which goes against one of your points.
Did I say they were equally better? I said parts of both were equally better, in fact, I recall specifically saying structurally both are just as solid, and artistically P1 being better. You're twisting the argument yet again.


It's okay, you know the superior film will win the poll.
And?


No, because P1 is the original, the film that gave us that world and the main creature...and P2 is an uninspired copy in a new setting. That alone shows how the writing is not equal. One film is full of memorable moments and lines but that's not enough prof for you... but hey, you want to be cool by not liking popular stuff! Fine :lol
Not liking a popular film? When did I say I didn't like P1? :rotfl why are you so desperate? Are you alright? :lol Jesus

And none of that has to do with writing, Jesus Christ dude. In fact, I can pinpoint a semi-plot breaking plot hole in P1, P2 is without such a thing and in fact, works around that brainfart from P1, in a better way, because of the motivations of Harrigan, but I just know you'll just go nah nah nah :lol


They didn't show any real skills. One group was ambushed and the other don't even show any tactical skills if they're ex military...I guess you can blame the directors or the second unit director for that.

I'm judging the thugs based on their lack of tactical skills and the P1 guerillas didn't do enough for me to judge their skills because they were ambushed, by what seems to be a superior group which shows tactical skills through the film. Can't say that about the LA cops.
You're just gonna work your way around this aren't you? :lol Fine.

WWEJedi
03-07-2016, 10:00 PM
I'll agree that it's in Pixars shallower end, but the worst? I believe that distinction belongs to Cars and Cars 2.

One thing it does have going for it is the environments, absolutely amazing! They are practically photorealistic.

Ahh... I forgot about Cars 2. Here I thought I put it out of my mind. I agree, Cars 2 was the worst. :lol I actually enjoyed Cars... probably because of all the NASCAR references and that I envisioned Lightning McQueen as Jeff Gordon (my favorite driver) :lol

They had commentators Mike Joy and Darrel Waltrip, Jr, Petty, Dale, Gordon all in it :lol So Cars gets a pass from me.

WWEJedi
03-07-2016, 10:03 PM
Still, you have fail to show how P2 is some how a great sequel. My whole argument is that P1 is significantly better....and again, if the popular consensus, which includes the Predator fanbase as well as critics agree that P2 is a below average sequel, then nothing I say will change your mind :dunno You sound like WWEjedi defending the prequels, dude.

Not sure if insult..... or compliment. :lol

But yeah Gaspar.... you do sound like me :horror :yess: :lol

Welcome to my side! :lol

VintijDroidGutzz
03-07-2016, 10:05 PM
Christ almighty, Gaspar (you too Clown Prince of typing). :lol

------

I caught 'Kickboxer' again for the first time in years the other day -- 7.8 / 10.

Cheesy as ****, but it's Van Damme in his absolute prime, & the fight scenes with Tong Po are still excellent to this day.
**** it.

I'm not getting buried. :lol

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 10:40 PM
But you are appealing to popularity a whole lot, I'm not getting sassy, you are not backing up your arguments, you're literally just throwing the RT score which mean absolutely nothing and you know it.

And I have shown how P2 is a great sequel, you're just been nu-uh-ing the whole time.

Do I really sound like WWEJedi? Or are you just spiteful at this point? Out of both of us, who's the one who ignored the burden of proof, yet, demanding to get proof or a certain scene?

No, not just the RT score, also a review which made some good points as to why P2 falls short compared to P1, yet you completely ignore it by simply saying...who wants to know more about Predator? :lol You have made no argument as to why P2 is a great sequel, and you totally sound like WWEjedi, and that has nothing to do with spite, that's just how you sound defending a mediocre film.



Watch the movie. It beats the point if I tell you, if you miss it you miss it.

The movie is on youtube, just tell me the scene and I'll watch it...no need to watch the whole thing :dunno


Actually no, nothing about my argument was about nostalgia, first it was that I saw P2 before P1, which isn't true, and I actually saw P2 much much later, probably in my teens, so nostalgia has nothing to do with it, I've supported my arguments but you just won't hear it, no biggie.

No you haven't..at all actually, you just ask questions and when I ask a question about a simple scene, you won't even give a hint :lol


Did I say they were equally better? I said parts of both were equally better, in fact, I recall specifically saying structurally both are just as solid, and artistically P1 being better. You're twisting the argument yet again.

And that ...


P2 and P1 have the same level of quality writing.

which is not true at all, but I already explained why, but you ignored it of course and then accuse me of ignoring your "powerful" arguments :lol





And none of that has to do with writing, Jesus Christ dude.

The story of an elite group of soldiers being hunted by a reptile like Alien has nothing to do with the writing? The great character intros, the lines, and a great first, second and third act has nothing to do with the writing? :lol If you actually read the "Hunter" script, you'll see how detail it is and how much of what you see on screen is on the script.



In fact, I can pinpoint a semi-plot breaking plot hole in P1, P2 is without such a thing and in fact, works around that brainfart from P1, in a better way, because of the motivations of Harrigan, but I just know you'll just go nah nah nah :lol

Neither film is perfect and all films have plotholes so pointing out such things in no way makes the uninspired sequel a better film :lol




You're just gonna work your way around this aren't you? :lol Fine.

Yup :lol

GasparZizou
03-07-2016, 10:57 PM
No, not just the RT score, also a review which made good point as to why P2 falls short compared to P1, yet you completely ignore it by simply saying...who wants to know more about Predator? :lol You have made no argument as to why P2 is a great sequel and you do sound like WWEjedi, and that has nothing to do with spite, that's just how you sound defending a mediocre film.
What are you talking about? I addressed the review and I maintain it's retarded to take away the mystery from the Predator.

I have made plenty of arguments and I could quote them again, why are you so hell bent on covering your ears? I don't get it.

I sound like WWEJedi huh? :lol I'm perfectly fine with P2 being the under-appreciated little gem it apparently is :slap, I It doesn't have nearly as many flaws as the PT and I don't intend to defend it from those who bash it, I'm replying to you cause you're a bro and I thought you wanted a chill discussion, but man, you've been acting weird lately.


No you haven't..at all actually, you just ask questions and when I ask a question about a simple scene, you won't even give a hint :lol
Dude, I asked you like 3 times to explain why is the jungle so pivotal to the Predator and you could not do it, 3 times, you just ignored me, yet you expect me to just spoon feed you a scene you missed.



which is not true at all, but I already explained why, but you ignored it of course and then accuse me of ignoring your "powerful" arguments :lol
It is true, and you haven't explained why not, nu-uh isn't an explanation. None of us have even touched the subject of the writing in either movies.


The story of an elite group of soldiers being hunted by a reptile like Alien has nothing to do with the writing? The great character intros, the lines, and a great first, second and third act has nothing to do with the writing? :lol Are YOU okay ?
That's not what you said in the part your post I quoted is it? Seriously, what is it that you need to twist, ignore, make up arguments, do you not want a serious discussion?



Neither film is perfect and all film have plotholes so pointing out such things in no way makes the uninspired sequel a better film :lol
The fact that one has a semi-plot breaking moment and the other one doesn't doesn't give credit to the latter? Alright.

snoop101
03-07-2016, 10:57 PM
Settle down ladies.

EVILFACE
03-07-2016, 11:02 PM
How you chaps have the patience to individually quote and respond to specific lines :lol

And to do it over Predator 2? For pages? :cuckoo:

WWEJedi
03-07-2016, 11:12 PM
I sound like WWEJedi huh? :lol I'm perfectly fine with P2 being the under-appreciated little gem it apparently is


My thoughts exactly with ROTS.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-07-2016, 11:40 PM
What are you talking about? I addressed the review and I maintain it's retarded to take away the mystery from the Predator.

I have made plenty of arguments and I could quote them again, why are you so hell bent on covering your ears? I don't get it.

Your response was completely dismissive and then you say the reason AVP sucked was because we knew too much about the Predators, which is in no way true. See..


Who the hell wants to know more about Predators? Leave that **** in mistery, that's one of the reasons AvP sucks.

There are a million reasons as to why all the AVP aren't great, but it has nothing to do with exploring the Predator race, world, history or developing those characters and world. The Predator doesn't need to be mysterious after P1...and a good sequel develops the ideas and characters from the first film. Changing the setting, and giving us a similar Predator is not breaking new ground from a story telling point of view.




I sound like WWEJedi huh? :lol

Yep, you argued with him so much...some part of him got imprinted on to you...Smith/Neo style :lol



Dude, I asked you like 3 times to explain why is the jungle so pivotal to the Predator and you could not do it, 3 times, you just ignored me, yet you expect me to just spoon feed you a scene you missed.

I did. :lol You just ignored it like everything else. I told you that he's a hunter, that the environment played a role in the film because he knew the jungle and the soldiers didn't, which gave him a tactical advantage, and that given that the design of the character is that of a lizard like character who uses camouflage...or invisibility in the jungle, it made more sense for him to be in a jungle, which is what the writers wrote to begin with. They didn't start with him in a modern city for a reason. Just because he could turn invisible in a city or in other environments doesn't mean is appropriate for the character, but that wasn't good enough just like the review's point are "retarded"....great response to the review along with "who wants to know more about the Preadtor world or culture?" :dunno

You still haven't given me one meaningful scene/moment between Jerry and the chick that shows their relationship developing...don't think I forgot about that. :lol


It is true, and you haven't explained why not, nu-uh isn't an explanation. None of us have even touched the subject of the writing in either movies.

The memorable lines, the character's dialogue with each other, the fact that P1 creates the world which P2 just borrows and changes the setting...I mentioned those things which are connected to the writing.




That's not what you said in the part your post I quoted is it? Seriously, what is it that you need to twist, ignore, make up arguments, do you not want a serious discussion?

I'm not twisting anything.. :lol


You said



P2 and P1 have the same level of quality writing.

so I said


No, because P1 is the original, the film that gave us that world and the main creature...

then your response was


And none of that has to do with writing, Jesus Christ dude

and my response was


The story of an elite group of soldiers being hunted by a reptile like Alien has nothing to do with the writing? The great character intros, the lines, and a great first, second and third act has nothing to do with the writing? If you actually read the "Hunter" script, you'll see how detail it is and how much of what you see on screen is on the script.


P1 created the main components which the second just borrows and it uses in a less effective way compared to the original film. Basically, P1 is more original than P2.


The fact that one has a semi-plot breaking moment and the other one doesn't doesn't give credit to the latter? Alright.

That's good, but lets not forget that alone doesn't make it a better film. It might be an improvement in ONE area, but overall the original still created the main components which the second just borrows and it uses in a less effective way compared to the original film, which is one of the reasons I said that the writing in P1 is superior, because it's what started it all.. and it's more original than P2.


And another thing not related to any of your posts. I've been watching Predaturd 2 scenes on youtube, and Glover's overacting is horrendous. As ridiculous as it might sound, Arnold is way more subtle with his acting and gives a much better performance than Glover....plus all those cliches like the angry boss yelling at Glover, the new guy/partner Paxton, and the annoying reporter Die Hard style and Robert Davi playing a similar role like in Die Hard make this film an early 90's time capsule of what not to do in a sequel. What a mess of a film :lol Glover isn't even the worst as crazy as that sounds, Paxton takes it to a whole different level of cheesiness....maybe it's his voice. The best actor in that film (which is not saying much) is the Salsa singer Ruben Blades :lol while the most badass is Busey.

cmiller99
03-07-2016, 11:59 PM
But basically, his power set is the same, only his powerlevels vary, right now, he's pretty much Golden Age, can't fly, has some super strength and vulnerability, but his regular power levels in current main continuity is that he can bench press the weight of the earth for 5 days straight deprived of sunlight :lol when he regains his powers, that's probably what he'll go back to.


Can't fly? Is this a usual thing? I'm really not familiar with comic Superman but I thought that flying was one of his staple powers. :dunno

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-08-2016, 12:06 AM
Can't fly? Is this a usual thing? I'm really not familiar with comic Superman but I thought that flying was one of his staple powers. :dunno

He was talking about the current comics/story arcs in which Superman lost his powers and can't fly. It's not permanent...he will be good old powerful Sups eventually.

cmiller99
03-08-2016, 12:20 AM
He was talking about the current comics/story arcs in which Superman lost his powers and can't fly. It's not permanent...he will be good old powerful Sups eventually.

Ah right.

WWEJedi
03-08-2016, 01:06 AM
Yep, you argued with him so much...some part of him got imprinted on to you...Smith/Neo style :lol


:lol:lol:lol

I feel as if now this is some inside joke between the two of you..... baiting me...... :lol Eh... was a funny read for me either way :lol

:duff

VintijDroidGutzz
03-08-2016, 01:43 AM
What's the offence for highjacking a movie thread around here these days..

jstep13
03-08-2016, 01:47 AM
^^ be forced to read WWE's posts?

jstep13
03-08-2016, 01:47 AM
Surviving the Game 8/10 - such a guilty pleasure of mine but I love this movie

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 04:40 AM
Christ almighty, Gaspar (you too Clown Prince of typing). :lol

------

I caught 'Kickboxer' again for the first time in years the other day -- 7.8 / 10.

Cheesy as ****, but it's Van Damme in his absolute prime, & the fight scenes with Tong Po are still excellent to this day.

I always thought it was a good flick. It's a rehash of Bloodsport in some ways, but I didn't mind.

RIDDICK
03-08-2016, 05:31 AM
Not "Clown Prince of Gaspar" person in this thread:

http://33.media.tumblr.com/f4225e42f0e397643cceb935d09a8ee2/tumblr_mti69pwiUl1sg3vmpo6_r1_250.gif

EVILFACE
03-08-2016, 05:35 AM
Either Kirk is being attacked by his wigs or the chicks on the Enterprise have discovered razors.

RIDDICK
03-08-2016, 05:38 AM
... or the chicks on the Enterprise have discovered razors.
They're fans of Furiosa. :monkey3

VintijDroidGutzz
03-08-2016, 05:49 AM
I always thought it was a good flick. It's a rehash of Bloodsport in some ways, but I didn't mind.
Yeah, it is actually. Still, I found it cheap recently, & I'm happy to have it added to my movie library. I was a huge fan of his growing up, & always wanted to go back & get those first few films of his that were actually really cool.. except for Double Impact. Loved it in high school, but it's a pretty dumb movie. :lol

Still gotta get the original Universal Soldier too.

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 06:03 AM
Yeah, it is actually. Still, I found it cheap recently, & I'm happy to have it added to my movie library. I was a huge fan of his growing up, & always wanted to go back & get those first few films of his that were actually really cool.. except for Double Impact. Loved it in high school, but it's a pretty dumb movie. :lol

Still gotta get the original Universal Soldier too.

His movies are good bad movies, that I never get tired of. Lionheart is a good one too.

VintijDroidGutzz
03-08-2016, 06:10 AM
It was called 'Wrong Bet' in Australia, & apparently 'Lionheart' for the U.S market - what was up with that.

..& yeah that's a fave of mine too. One of his better showings all round.

Good/bad is Streetfighter. :lol So bad.. but I want to get that one as well because it's SF (kinda).. & nostalgia.

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 06:24 AM
Ugh Street Fighter. Even as a little kid seeing in the theater, I knew it was **** :lol

RIDDICK
03-08-2016, 06:28 AM
Street Fighter

as a little kid

in the theater
https://31.media.tumblr.com/afeea38600633b1992d443e795d4b00e/tumblr_inline_mpuxdiRukt1qz4rgp.gif

EVILFACE
03-08-2016, 06:28 AM
Yea, SF is awful. Not even fun awful.

Mortal Kombat wins Fatality.

VintijDroidGutzz
03-08-2016, 06:30 AM
Ehhh... I still want it. :lol

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 06:32 AM
https://31.media.tumblr.com/afeea38600633b1992d443e795d4b00e/tumblr_inline_mpuxdiRukt1qz4rgp.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8J8Kn78YQg


Yea, SF is awful. Not even fun awful.

Mortal Kombat wins Fatality.

Hard to believe it was the same guy that directed most of the dog **** Resident Evil films. Still, MK is the best adaption ever.

VintijDroidGutzz
03-08-2016, 06:40 AM
This'll make your heads spin.. I don't mind MK: Annihilation. :lol

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 06:41 AM
This'll make your heads spin.. I don't mind MK: Annihilation. :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPE7evFnwMg

Another one I painfully sat through in a theater...

Outside of Talisa Soto, all the women come off as low rent porn stars.

VintijDroidGutzz
03-08-2016, 06:49 AM
Hey - you guys saw these monstrosities in the cinema.

I DID NOT. :lol

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 06:51 AM
Well you can't really blame me for that. I was a kid, and I didn't know the horror Hollywood would show me. Besides Poopination was coming off the heels of a good film so I just assumed... it... would... be good. :dunno:pow

VintijDroidGutzz
03-08-2016, 07:02 AM
Poopination. :lol

When did that come out; 1997? I did see SPAWN in the cinema that year.

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 07:06 AM
Spawn was alright.

Yeah it was 97'. Just watching a few clips in this... damn all the ninjas outfits look terrible. Although still better than the crap Boon has been subjecting us to for a decade now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OocVcZodzII

GasparZizou
03-08-2016, 07:20 AM
Your response was completely dismissive and then you say the reason AVP sucked was because we knew too much about the Predators, which is in no way true. See..
There are a million reasons as to why all the AVP aren't great, but it has nothing to do with exploring the Predator race, world, history or developing those characters and world. The Predator doesn't need to be mysterious after P1...and a good sequel develops the ideas and characters from the first film. Changing the setting, and giving us a similar Predator is not breaking new ground from a story telling point of view.
No, I said ONE of the reasons it sucked was that, and IT WAS, not only did they try to make them proto-aztecs, which was retarded and dissonant. They also tried to develop a character, which sucked even more.

Hell, I don't know why you're against using the same formula, twice they've tried to "explore" in a very fanfic way and both times it sucked, the same formula in a different kind of environment is the way to go, and P2 did develop certain ideas and gave us a little more insight of what the Predators are, just enough, they didn't need to go and turn it full AVP.



Yep, you argued with him so much...some part of him got imprinted on to you...Smith/Neo style :lol
That was low, you go and defend TDKR every chance you get and I don't use such below the belt hits :lol



I did. :lol You just ignored it like everything else. I told you that he's a hunter, that the environment played a role in the film because he knew the jungle and the soldiers didn't, which gave him a tactical advantage, and that given that the design of the character is that of a lizard like character who uses camouflage...or invisibility in the jungle, it made more sense for him to be in a jungle, which is what the writers wrote to begin with. They didn't start with him in a modern city for a reason. Just because he could turn invisible in a city or in other environments doesn't mean is appropriate for the character, but that wasn't good enough just like the review's point are "retarded"....great response to the review along with "who wants to know more about the Preadtor world or culture?" :dunno
I ask again, in what way does he "use" the jungle? In what way does he do anything different than what he does in the city? THAT ^ is not an answer, "He's a hunter" Well he's hunting in the city too, "he knows the jungle" Well he knows the city, "Camouflages" his bloody camouflage is literally making himself invisible, how is that any different in the city? You keep saying "he used the environment against them" HOW??? At the end the environment worked against him in P1. Didn't it?

And you're right, that's not good enough an answer AT ALL, you're trying too hard to work your way around this one too, my question is simple, what does he do in the jungle that is any different at ALL, of what he does in the city?



You still haven't given me one meaningful scene/moment between Jerry and the chick that shows their relationship developing...don't think I forgot about that. :lol
You say it like I'm running away from that, I've said it 4 times now, I am not going to spoon feed what you missed, if you want to know, watch it again, it's there, if you miss it, you missed it.

You're not one to demand to that when you've tried so hard give me a non-answer in the question above.



The memorable lines, the character's dialogue with each other, the fact that P1 creates the world which P2 just borrows and changes the setting...I mentioned those things which are connected to the writing.
That's not talking about the writing, give me specific lines, specific plot points and why they're good, you're just saying "the writing's good because the lines are good" :slap that's not justification.

Although you don't need justification, I know P1 is great, I've quoted some lines myself in the review, but somehow you turned this argument into me hating P1 and saying P2 is better :slap:slap:slap :lol what the hell man?



P1 created the main components which the second just borrows and it uses in a less effective way compared to the original film. Basically, P1 is more original than P2.
Well duh! :lol



That's good, but lets not forget that alone doesn't make it a better film. It might be an improvement in ONE area, but overall the original still created the main components which the second just borrows and it uses in a less effective way compared to the original film, which is one of the reasons I said that the writing in P1 is superior, because it's what started it all.. and it's more original than P2.
That may be so, but having an original idea doesn't = writing it better, I'm simply saying the script in P2 is slightly, slightly more solid than P1's, if less original.



And another thing not related to any of your posts. I've been watching Predaturd 2 scenes on youtube, and Glover's overacting is horrendous. As ridiculous as it might sound, Arnold is way more subtle with his acting and gives a much better performance than Glover....plus all those cliches like the angry boss yelling at Glover, the new guy/partner Paxton, and the annoying reporter Die Hard style and Robert Davi playing a similar role like in Die Hard make this film an early 90's time capsule of what not to do in a sequel. What a mess of a film :lol Glover isn't even the worst as crazy as that sounds, Paxton takes it to a whole different level of cheesiness....maybe it's his voice. The best actor in that film (which is not saying much) is the Salsa singer Ruben Blades :lol while the most badass is Busey.
Jeeeez :lol

VintijDroidGutzz
03-08-2016, 07:23 AM
Spawn was alright.

Yeah it was 97'. Just watching a few clips in this... damn all the ninjas outfits look terrible. Although still better than the crap Boon has been subjecting us to for a decade now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OocVcZodzII
^ I made it to 3mins.. :lol

I never could stomach how they replaced Lambert with that poor man's Harrison Ford guy. :lol

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 07:26 AM
^ I made it to 3mins.. :lol

I never could stomach how they replaced Lambert with that poor man's Harrison Ford guy. :lol

They didn't replace him, he was in the middle of another film I believe.

VintijDroidGutzz
03-08-2016, 07:27 AM
Ohhhh.......................

Anyway, MK:A isn't as bad as Lawnmower Man 2.

Nothing is. :lol

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 07:38 AM
I don't think I've ever seen any of those films. As bad as MKA was, I'd watch it over the crap short films they've done in the past few years.

VintijDroidGutzz
03-08-2016, 07:51 AM
The first movie was alright, & Pierce Brosnan being in it gave it a bit of cred too. The second one? Stay away from that at all costs. :lol

I just got given all those MK web-isodes by a friend recently. Not worth watching?

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 07:54 AM
I gave it a chance, but I didn't care for it.

mikedanger
03-08-2016, 08:53 AM
The first movie was alright, & Pierce Brosnan being in it gave it a bit of cred too. The second one? Stay away from that at all costs. :lol

Pierce Brosnan in MK? I'm not following.

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 09:03 AM
Pierce Brosnan in MK? I'm not following.

He played Reptile.

mikedanger
03-08-2016, 10:07 AM
I feel like I am missing a joke here

*backs out of thread slowly*

WWEJedi
03-08-2016, 10:56 AM
^^ be forced to read WWE's posts?

If you like reading truths...... not a bad punishment.

Gates70
03-08-2016, 10:57 AM
Predator 2 - 4/10

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 11:01 AM
Predator 2 - 4/10

Slightly under where I'd put it, but yeah.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-08-2016, 11:24 AM
No, I said ONE of the reasons it sucked was that, and IT WAS, not only did they try to make them proto-aztecs, which was retarded and dissonant. They also tried to develop a character, which sucked even more.

Hell, I don't know why you're against using the same formula, twice they've tried to "explore" in a very fanfic way and both times it sucked, the same formula in a different kind of environment is the way to go, and P2 did develop certain ideas and gave us a little more insight of what the Predators are, just enough, they didn't need to go and turn it full AVP.

I know what you said because I quoted your post :lol Like I said about AVP, there are plenty of reasons why those films are bad, like the human characters getting in the way, the setting, even the design of the predators wasn't great, but the idea of exploring the predator race isn't really why those films failed, not that they did a great job with it either, but the only interesting thing about P2 it happens at the end when Glover goes inside the ship...but all that is wasted, and they did nothing with it. P2 just puts the predator chasing a cop in a modern city...using every 90's cliche. It's a bad movie....




ask again, in what way does he "use" the jungle? In what way does he do anything different than what he does in the city THAT ^ is not an answer, "He's a hunter" Well he's hunting in the city too, "he knows the jungle" Well he knows the city, "Camouflages" his bloody camouflage is literally making himself invisible, how is that any different in the city? You keep saying "he used the environment against them" HOW???

First, he is hunter, jungles and forests are environment suitable for hunting, which is why people leave a city when they go hunting, and yes he knew the jungle because he or his kind...not sure that was clear, had been in that jungle since the woman/prisoner was younger. Arnie's crew had never been there before, so they didn't know place as well as the Predator, which is one of the reasons even when Dillon and Max can keep track of him, he was able to kill them even though they had a strategy to get him, but he was able to get around them and it wasn't just because he was "invisible." The city is not an unfamiliar place...especially for a cop or a human...even Busey's character was hunting the Predator and was keeping track of him, which is something that never happens in P1 because they have a lack or resources and they were stuck in a foreign place with no way out. It's called home field advantage, dude.


At the end the environment worked against him in P1. Didn't it?

Yes, so? That was one of the best parts of the film, seeing the hunter become the hunted..briefly, seeing the usage of the mud, and Dutch using the jungle as a weapon to his advantage is all possible because of the Jungle environment...the whole movie benefits from the jungle setting, which is why I've been saying Predator belongs in Jungles/Forests environment, because it's like a character in the film. They literally have scenes of characters like Billy looking at the environment...observing the trees and we see it from his point of view. It's kind of like how the Revnant has all these shots of the environment where nothing is really happening but we see it from the character's point of view, whereas the city in P2 is not really as interesting.


And you're right, that's not good enough an answer AT ALL, you're trying too hard to work your way around this one too, my question is simple, what does he do in the jungle that is any different at ALL, of what he does in the city?

His powers are the same, but he has home field advantage, and he benefits from it in P1, which he does since the trees are out of reach for the humans and the jungle is nothing but tall trees, combine that with the crew's lack of knowledge of the area, their limited resources, and the Predator can literally be on top of them...constantly.



You say it like I'm running away from that, I've said it 4 times now, I am not going to spoon feed what you missed, if you want to know, watch it again, it's there, if you miss it, you missed it.

You're not one to demand to that when you've tried so hard give me a non-answer in the question above.

I'm not implying anything, but if in your mind you are interpreting what I'm saying a certain way, then maybe you are running away from the question and you know it, so maybe that's why you view what I said that way. All I have to do is watch the scenes with Jerry and Leona...which aren't that many...and I don't even have to because they are never given a meaningful moment together of character developing. They just worked together ....but hey, it's okay...don't worry about it.



That's not talking about the writing, give me specific lines, specific plot points and why they're good, you're just saying "the writing's good because the lines are good" :slap that's not justification.[/qoute]

Although you don't need justification, I know P1 is great, I've quoted some lines myself in the review, but somehow you turned this argument into me hating P1 and saying P2 is better :slap:slap:slap :lol what the hell man?

There was no need to give specific plot points or specific lines...although I did reference the character's intro and how great it was compared to P2. I told you to read the Hunter script which is very detailed compared to a lot of other scripts ...but now you want to be spoon fed lines and plot points...seriously? As far as what we are discussing, my point was always that P1 is significantly a better film, and that P2 was not as good, although after watching part of the film on youtube, it reminded me how bad it was, so my point has evolved. If things evolved into something else, it can happen when quoting so many lines and paragraphs and there can be some misinterpretations, but we did agree at one point that P1 is the best film, but you still felt that P2 was almost as good as P1, which your score of 8.5 and the P1 score of 8.5, does suggest that they are at least equal, in your opinion.




That may be so, but having an original idea doesn't = writing it better, I'm simply saying the script in P2 is slightly, slightly more solid than P1's, if less original.

But it's not just because it's an original idea...which is a factor because that's the foundation in which the script it built on, but the scenes written in P1 are more memorable like I've said before, Dillon's and Dutch's intro , that was written just like it happens in film and it's feels original with the epic hand shake, the "pushing too may pencils" line, all memorable elements which make the scene great , whereas P2's character's intro isn't memorable at all. That says something about the writing, especially when P2 is just using cliche characters like the angry boss yelling at Glover..and Glover is the stereotypical cop who breaks the rules and doesn't follow the orders. One of the first things they tell you when you're studying screen writing is to avoid obvious cliches...oh and starting a film with a dream and a character waking up, but that doesn't apply to P2, it does apply to Batman Begins and Matrix 2 though :slap


Jeeeez :lol

It's true, the acting is horrendous and the cliche characters and moments are so dated, it's embarrassing. The only thing that can make that film an even worse 90's film, is if Jean Claude Van Damme shows up doing a split in it :lol

rushmore223
03-08-2016, 11:30 AM
I think this can only be settled by a Duel to the Death.

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 11:36 AM
Hell in a Thread match.

K07
03-08-2016, 12:00 PM
It's been a while since I saw it for the first time but from memory this would be my rating:

Predator - 4/10

Not bothering with any sequels to it. Bye.

GasparZizou
03-08-2016, 12:04 PM
but the idea of exploring the predator race isn't really why those films failed
As I said, it's PART of it, and it is indeed, taking away mystery from the Predator is tasteless and unnecessary.



First, he is hunter, jungles and forests are environment suitable for hunting, which is why people leave a city when they go hunting, and yes he knew the jungle because he or his kind...not sure that was clear, had been in that jungle since the woman/prisoner was younger. Arnie's crew had never been there before, so they didn't know place as well as the Predator, which is one of the reasons even when Dillon and Max can keep track of him, he was able to kill them even though they had a strategy to get him, but he was able to get around them and it wasn't just because he was "invisible." The city is not an unfamiliar place...especially for a cop or a human...even Busey's character was hunting the Predator and was keeping track of him, which is something that never happens in P1 because they have a lack or resources and they were stuck in a foreign place with no way out. It's called home field advantage, dude.
A human hunter hunts in the jungle or in a forest because that's where preys are at :slap an Alien hunter hunting in the city because that is where game is is not illogical at all.

He also got around Keyes' team despite having a en even more elaborate and sophisticated plan to get him. ??? No difference yet.



Yes, so? That was one of the best parts of the film, seeing the hunter become the hunted..briefly, seeing the usage of the mud, and Dutch using the jungle as a weapon to his advantage is all possible because of the Jungle environment...the whole movie benefits from the jungle setting, which is why I've been saying Predator belongs in Jungles/Forests environment, because it's like a character in the film. They literally have scenes of characters like Billy looking at the environment...observing the trees and we see it from his point of view. It's kind of like how the Revnant has all this shots of the environment where nothing is really happening but we see it from the character's point of view, whereas the city in P2 is not really as interesting.
He becomes the prey in P2 too :dunno? See? Still no difference, the city is very interesting, everybody losing their minds because of the heat and the crime, Harrigan seeing the cloaked Pred in the building with a look on his face wondering if it was a heat mirage, that **** was great.



His powers are the same, but he has home field advantage, and he benefits from it in P1, which he does since the trees are out of reach for the humans and the jungle is nothing but tall trees, combine that with the crew's lack of knowledge of the area, their limited resources, and the Predator can literally be on top of them...constantly.
Home field advantage, huh? Yet it differs in nothing from what he does in P2... Trees are out of reach? It's not like Dutch went full Tarzan at the end right? :lol

Lack of knowledge of the area can be achieved in the city, but how is that related to the Predator himself?




I'm not implying anything, but if in your mind you are interpreting what I'm saying a certain way, then maybe you are running away from the question and you know it, so maybe that's why you view what I said that way. All I have to do is watch the scenes with Jerry and Leona...which aren't that many...and I don't even have to because they are never given a meaningful moment together of character developing. They just worked together ....but hey, it's okay...don't worry about it.
I'm not running away from it, I'm just not spoon feeding you.


There was no need to give specific plot points or specific lines...although I did reference the character's intro and how great it was compared to P2. I told you to read the Hunter script which is very detailed compared to a lot of other scripts ...but now you want to be spoon fed lines and plot points...seriously? As far as what we are discussing, my point was always that P1 is significantly a better film, and that P2 was not as good, although after watching part of the film on youtube, it reminded me how bad it was, so my point has evolved. If things evolved into something else, it can happen when quoting so many lines and paragraphs and there can be some misinterpretations, but we did agree at one point that P1 is the best film, but you still felt that P2 was almost as good as P1, which your score of 8.5 and the P1 score of 8.5, does suggest that they are at least equal, in your opinion.
The Hunter script? I missed that.

That's not spoon feeding, you were saying how P2 writing was "bad", yet you don't specify how? Because you don't remember it? Ok.

Actually, soon after I gave the scores I wanted to change it but forgot, I was gonna give P1 a 9 and P2 an 8, because I started listening to the soundtracks, and not only P1 soundtrack is glorious, the movie is *perfectly* musicalized and paced, whereas P2's pace is more crude and the soundtrack, save for a few tracks, is lackluster.



But it's not just because it's an original idea...which is a factor because that's the foundation in which the script it built on, but the scenes written in P1 are more memorable like I've said before, Dillon's and Dutch's intro , that was written just like it happens in film and it's feels original with the epic hand shake, the "pushing too may pencils" line, all memorable elements which make the scene great , whereas P2's character's intro isn't memorable at all. That says something about the writing, especially when P2 is just using cliche characters like the angry boss yelling at Glover..and Glover is the stereotypical cop who breaks the rules and doesn't follow the orders. One of the first things they tell you when you're studying screen writing is to avoid obvious cliches...oh
You keep saying P2 is cliche like if P1 wasn't, BOTH movies are LOADED with Cliches, I actually just found a thread in 4chan talking about the movie :lol there's a post of a guy who describes it pretty well.

Predator: cliche commando movie with hints of strange **** until the second half
Predator 2:cliche detective movie with bits of strange **** until the second half

Speaking of which, did you start that thread? :lol /tv/ - Now that the dust has settled... What does /tv/ th - Television & Film - 4chan (http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/66817400/now-that-the-dust-has-settled-what-does-tv-think)

Since you like appealing to popularity, look at the amount of people who think "exploring" the Predators background is a stupid idea, I haven't posted there btw.


It's true, the acting is horrendous and the cliche characters and moments are so dated, it's embarrassing. The only thing that can make that film an even worse 90's film, is if Jean Claude Van Damme shows up doing a split in it :lol
The acting from Blades and Alonso was iffy at times, not much outside that.

RIDDICK
03-08-2016, 01:25 PM
This'll make your heads spin.. I don't mind MK: Annihilation. :lol
I don't too. Out of three terrible MK products released in 1997 "Annihilation" was the lesser evil.

Snake Plissken
03-08-2016, 01:28 PM
I don't too. Out of three terrible MK products released in 1997 "Annihilation" was the lesser evil.

I think I might of played MK4 once.

RIDDICK
03-08-2016, 01:37 PM
They didn't replace him, he was in the middle of another film I believe.
In the middle of a ****ing Beowulf no less. :lol


I think I might of played MK4 once.
You poor bastard... :monkey2

Plastic Bateman
03-08-2016, 01:42 PM
Werckmeister Harmonies - 10/10

The best film so far of this century. Don't believe me? Listen to this snippet of the soundtrack:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcEMlzm8cic

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-08-2016, 02:46 PM
As I said, it's PART of it, and it is indeed, taking away mystery from the Predator is tasteless and unnecessary.

The reason all the sequels failed...and that includes P2, is because they didn't understand why the first film was good. What makes the first film great is the cast in that specific jungle setting. We spent most of the film with that group of characters, and since the plot is so simple, they had a lot of time to show the characters interacting with one another and they all get their moments, like after Ventura dies, Arnie and Mac gets a good scene together. We don't really see Predator until the third act, and once that happens, the mystery is gone, we know what he looks like and how he operates. P2 tried to do the same thing in a different setting, but the cast isn't as strong or as interesting, and the same can be said about every other Predator sequel, because they just rehash the same slasher formula, but less effectively which is pointless because we already know what's killing the humans unlike the first film, so it's pointless to do the same.

After the first film, there is no need for the Predator to be mysterious, because that's not what makes him appealing. Certain characters should be mysterious, like The Joker, the less we know about him in a film, the more interesting he is, but that's because he's just a human, so knowing that his wife was killed or that he had a bad day, and thus that's what made him the way he is, it takes the mystery away and just makes him another guy. However, the Predator is an alien, a creature from another planet hunting humans with advanced technology, if anything it raises more questions, and exploring his kind and world, in no way does it affect the character at all, so I give credit to AVP and Predators for at least trying to explore that world, although I would have done it differently, and I wouldn't have included another familiar element like the Xenomorphs, which was just a little Easter egg in P2.

You know what was tasteless, not moving forward, remaining static , putting the Predator in a bathroom to sell some lame unfunny joke with an old lady and then have the Predator running around a hallway...that's more embarrassing than anything that AVP tried to do.




A human hunter hunts in the jungle or in a forest because that's where preys are at :slap an Alien hunter hunting in the city because that is where game is is not illogical at all.

Evidently jungles have plenty of preys given that the character had been doing that for a long time against soldiers. Even in P2, Busey mentions that the Predator had been hunting humans for sport throughout armed conflicts in Central America. That's why the original and best film was set in a jungle. A lizard alien who hunts for a thrill in a modern city is plain stupid, which is why they tried to fix it by enhancing LA to a cartoonish level of violence to make sense of such a moronic idea, and in doing so they basically just copied Robocop's Detroit with similar looking thugs, except is a less memorable film.


He also got around Keyes' team despite having a en even more elaborate and sophisticated plan to get him. ??? No difference yet.

They had him, they were literally following him from the beginning of the film and they knew where he was and they went after him, and the only reason the Predator got around him was because their lights gave them away.



He becomes the prey in P2 too :dunno? See? Still no difference, the city is very interesting, everybody losing their minds because of the heat and the crime, Harrigan seeing the cloaked Pred in the building with a look on his face wondering if it was a heat mirage, that **** was great.

Again...more rehashing, but done less effectively. Arnold uses the mud and fails when he loses the mud in the water, and in P2 their technology failed them, but again, it's overall less interesting than seeing Arnie discover a weakness he can exploit after being hunted through the entire film and see him dominated the alien with superior technology using the environment he's in briefly and then seeing it work against him. In P2, Busey was keeping track of the Predator from the beginning of the film, and Glover is just sort of there... he intervenes once Busey fails, but there's no real build up like in P1.



Home field advantage, huh? Yet it differs in nothing from what he does in P2... Trees are out of reach? It's not like Dutch went full Tarzan at the end right? :lol

Through the film Arnie and his crew are on the ground...they don't even know what they are dealing with or where he is, until they realize he's using the trees. Only Billy kind had a feeling that they were dealing with something that wasn't human. It's not until the very end when Arnie has seen the Predator that he goes full Tarzan swinging from trees, and even then, he had the Predator next to him on the tree like a lizard. If anything it shows how both characters use the environment to their advantage. Cops know the city better than anyone, and Busey knew what they were dealing with from the beginning and was keeping track of the Predator.


Lack of knowledge of the area can be achieved in the city, but how is that related to the Predator himself?

Sure, but that wasn't really explored in P2, not like in P1 in which you have the crew in an unknown environment every second of the film. One of the elements that makes the first film work, is that the characters are trapped in unfamiliar area and they are trying to get from point A to point B...that's the whole plot, escape the jungle alive. In P2, the characters are familiar with their surroundings and it doesn't play role in the story....Glover is trying to solve a crime and the other two are trying to keep track of Busey. In P1 the Predator is on the trees watching their every move, waiting for them to split and leave the group in order to take each guy out, which is very tactical. When Jerry and all the other people got killed on the subway, it wasn't because they weren't familiar with a subway or because they knew they were being hunted by something that's probably watching them, they were trap and the Predator got them along with a bunch of other people. Same with Busey, he had knowledge of the setting before going in and he set a trap and it almost worked too, but their technology backfired because they didn't count on the Predator having a certain type of vision that allowed him to see the lights.




I'm not running away from it, I'm just not spoon feeding you.

That line of yours is just like Predator 2, uncreative, repetitive, and hollow....although I bet you can act better than Glover :lol



The Hunter script? I missed that.

Not "The Hunter" script, the "Hunter" script, that's the Predator script...that's the name of the script, it wasn't called Predator back in 1986.



That's not spoon feeding, you were saying how P2 writing was "bad", yet you don't specify how? Because you don't remember it? Ok.

I mentioned the character's intro as an example compared to P2 and how it wasn't memorable....that has everything to do with the writing...



You keep saying P2 is cliche like if P1 wasn't, BOTH movies are LOADED with Cliches, I actually just found a thread in 4chan talking about the movie :lol there's a post of a guy who describes it pretty well.

Predator: cliche commando movie with hints of strange **** until the second half
Predator 2:cliche detective movie with bits of strange **** until the second half

Speaking of which, did you start that thread? :lol /tv/ - Now that the dust has settled... What does /tv/ th - Television & Film - 4chan (http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/66817400/now-that-the-dust-has-settled-what-does-tv-think)

Since you like appealing to popularity, look at the amount of people who think "exploring" the Predators background is a stupid idea, I haven't posted there btw.

Predator gets a pass when it comes to cliches because the film is actually offering enough original material to be entertaining whereas P2, is using every 80's and 90's cliche and putting that on what was once original in P1. As far as what they might think about exploring Predators, it doesn't mean much since that idea is tainted by bad films, so no wonder they will blame it on the exploring the Predator world, look at you...:lol




The acting from Blades and Alonso was iffy at times, not much outside that.

Blades was better than Danny Glover with his constant surprised sweaty face looking straight at the camera....great acting Danny. My god, you know an actor is bad, when Arnold was better as a protagonist in a similar film :lol

Trash Panda
03-08-2016, 03:02 PM
TL;DR

GasparZizou
03-08-2016, 04:31 PM
The reason all the sequels failed...and that includes P2, is because they didn't understand why the first film was good. What makes the first film great is the cast in that specific jungle setting. We spent most of the film with that group of characters, and since the plot is so simple, they had a lot of time to show the characters interacting with one another and they all get their moments, like after Ventura dies, Arnie and Mack get a good scene together. We don't really see Predator until the third act, and once that happens, the mystery is gone, we know what he looks like and how he operates. P2 tried to do the same thing in a different setting, but the cast isn't as strong or as interesting, and the same can be said about every other Predator sequel, because they just rehash the same slasher formula, but less effectively which is pointless because we already know what's killing the humans unlike the first film, so it's pointless to do the same.
Couldn't disagree more, but we're going in circles now.



After the first film, there is no need for the Predator to be mysterious, because that's not what makes him appealing. Certain characters should be mysterious, like The Joker, the less we know about him in a film, the more interesting he is, but that's because he's just a human, so knowing that his wife was killed or that he had a bad day, and thus that's what made him the way he is, it takes the mystery and just makes him another guy. However, the Predator is an alien, a creature from another planet hunting humans with advanced technology, if anything it raises more questions, and exploring his kind and world, in no way does it affect the character at all, so I give credit to AVP and Predators for at least trying to explore that world, although I would have done it differently, and I wouldn't have included another familiar element like the Xenomorphs, which was just a little Easter egg in P2.
It does very much affect the character, not only that, it's detrimental, you know what he LOOKS like, but you don't know anything about it.



You know what was tasteless, not moving forward, remaining static , putting the Predator in a bathroom to sell some lame unfunny joke with an old lady and then have the Predator running around a hallway...that's more embarrassing than anything AVP tried to do.
:lol


Evidently jungles have plenty of preys given that the character had been doing that for a long time against soldiers. Even in P2, Busey mentions that the Predator had been hunting humans for sport throughout armed conflicts in Central America. That's why the original and best film was set in a jungle. A lizard alien who hunts for a thrill in a modern city is plain stupid, which is why they tried to fix it by enhancing LA to a cartoonish level of violence to make sense of such a moronic idea, and in doing so they basically just copied Robocop's Detroit with similar looking thugs, except is a less memorable film.
Yet you haven't given any reasons yet as of why. :dunno

And no, I believe it was an exaggerated future like many movies from the 80's and 90's, like in Robocop.



They had him, they were literally following him from the beginning of the film and they knew where he was and they went after him, and the only reason the Predator got around him was because their lights gave them away.
Not sure what your point here is.



Again...more rehashing, but done less effectively. Arnold uses the mud and fails when he loses the mud in the water, and in P2 their technology failed them, but again, it's overall less interesting than seeing Arnie discover a weakness he can exploit after being hunted through the entire film and see him dominated the alien with superior technology using the environment he's in briefly and then seeing it work against him. In P2, Busey was keeping track of the Predator from the beginning of the film, and Glover is just sort of there... he intervenes once Busey fails, but there's no real build up like in P1.
I think it does it as effectively but whatever, so rehashing huh? So you do admit it's the same?

No real build up, all the MIB-esque foreshadowing isn't build up? Glover trying to figure it out, King Willy talking about demons, that's not build up?


Through the film Arnie and his crew are on the ground...they don't even know what they are dealing with or where he is, until they realize he's using the trees. Only Billy kind had a feeling that they were dealing with something that wasn't human. It's not until the very end when Arnie has seen the Predator that he goes full Tarzan swinging from trees, and even then, he had the Predator next to him on the tree like a lizard. If anything it shows how both characters use the environment to their advantage. Cops know the city better than anyone, and Busey knew what they were dealing with from the beginning and was keeping track of the Predator.
So this time Busey had the home field advantage, but the Predator still beat him, I'm not sure how this is supposed to support your point about the Jungle being inherently better???



Sure, but that wasn't really explored in P2, not like in P1 in which you have the crew in an unknown environment every second of the film. One of the elements that makes the first film work, is that the characters are trapped in unfamiliar area and they are trying to get from point A to point B...that's the whole plot, escape the jungle alive. In P2, the characters are familiar with their surroundings and it doesn't play role in the story....Glover is trying to solve a crime and the other two are trying to keep track of Busey. In P1 the Predator is on the trees watching their every move, waiting for them to split and leave the group in order to take each guy out, which is very tactical. When Jerry and all the other people got killed on the subway, it wasn't because they weren't familiar with a subway or because they knew they were being hunted by something that's probably watching them, they were trap and the Predator got them along with a bunch of other people. Same with Busey, he had knowledge of the setting before going in and he set a trap and it almost worked too, but their technology backfired because they didn't count on the Predator having a certain type of vision that allowed him to see the lights.
You do realize that in P2 the pred is also watching their every move right? Even killing them one by one too.

What I got from there is that P2 is actually more original than you're giving it credit for, after all, according to you, The Predator was being hunted from the beginning.



That line of yours is just like Predator 2, uncreative, repetitive, and hollow....although I bet you can act better than Glover :lol
How else will you learn? :lol



Not "The Hunter" script, the "Hunter" script, that's the Predator script...that's the name of the script, it wasn't called Predator back in 1986.
Oh, alright, I'll read it. Is it any different than what's in the movie?


I mentioned the character's intro as an example compared to P2 and how it wasn't memorable....that has everything to do with the writing...
We're yet again back on you having problems to remember stuff, why is it that I have no problem remembering stuff you don't? Again, memorable doesn't = good, I agree that P1's intro was iconic as ****, but Harrigan's intro is pretty good too.


Predator gets a pass when it comes to cliches because the film is actually offering enough original material to be entertaining whereas P2, is using every 80's and 90's cliche and putting that on what was once original in P1. As far as what they might think about exploring Predators, it doesn't mean much since that idea is tainted by bad films, so no wonder they will blame it on the exploring the Predator world, look at you...:lol
P1 uses every 80's Rambo cliché, P2 uses every 90's cop cliche, P1 gets a pass, P2 doesn't, got it.

It's not because it's tainted by bad films, it's because it's a pretty bad idea to remove the mystery from a creature that relies on it, there's nothing that 99.999% of the artists/writers can tell that is more foreboding nor interesting than not knowing about the character, and letting the mind of both the audience and the characters wonder about the worst, P2 tackled this is a great way, they gave us just little hints to let our minds wonder, it let us know that they travel more worlds and they hunt other species other than humans, way larger species, they let us know that they probably live way longer than humans, they lets us know that they probably don't travel alone, but in little clans, etc etc. Not knowing also permits each character from each region imprint their own legends on it, P1 was el diablo cazador de hombres, very chupacabra type thing, P2 was a voodoo demon from the other side. etc etc.



Blades was better than Danny Glover with his constant surprised sweaty face looking straight at the camera....great acting Danny. My god, you know an actor is bad, when Arnold was better as a protagonist in a similar film :lol
But he wasn't :lol

Jace Madan
03-08-2016, 05:16 PM
I like Predator 2. It's very entertaining to me, and I watch it all the time. It has it faults, and of course isn't as good as P1, but I like it.

I do like the city setting, I think it offers a a bit more variety in settings and places to have action in than differing Jungle terrains. We have the rooftops, alleys, subways, warehouses, and apartment buildings as well as other areas.. Although the characters being hunted live in or are familiar with the city, I don't think they know every nook and cranny of a sprawling city-scape, So the element of the unknown and isolation even in a place inhabited by people can still happen. Even in a panic your own home can become a scary and dangerous place. We see in Predator 2 and other media that the Predator is just as adept at climbing, jumping, and working his way through the city as it is through the jungle.

Another thing is the Predator's penchant for destroying himself and an area when a hunt fails to prevent their presence from being uncovered or technology being recovered, In a city, this makes a bigger challenge for the hunter compared to an isolated area. The entire "Concrete Jungle" game is about what happens when a Predator screws this up. I think this creates an interesting situation where the Predator not only has to conceal himself from it's prey, but also from discovery of non-prey as well. And it also increases the hunting difficulty level as the Predator will need to avoid dishonorable kills in an area full of non-prey life-forms.

I also love all of the new Predator technology introduced. The spear, smart disc, net launcher, spear darts and others are all great and feel right as part of the hunter's arsenal. I also like how it shows the Predator's "honor" a bit more in the Elder Predator allowing Harrigan to live and giving him a trophy from his own belt. I also really like how it showed how much damage a Predator can take. We see City Hunter shot multiple times, his hand and lower forearm cut off, and even take a while to die with a smart disc in his torso.

I dunno, I just like the movie. It's Voodoo magic man. I'd give it 3 out of 5 alien trophy skulls.

The Clown Prince of Crime
03-08-2016, 06:00 PM
It does very much affect the character, not only that, it's detrimental, you know what he LOOKS like, but you don't know anything about it.

What is? Not sure what you are referring to?




And no, I believe it was an exaggerated future like many movies from the 80's and 90's, like in Robocop.

Only way they could make sense of a Predator in a city. Nothing more to analyze, but like you said, we're going in circles.



Not sure what your point here is.

You mentioned something about the Predator getting around Keyes' team despite having a en even more elaborate and sophisticated plan to get him. All I said was that they succeeded but their lights gave them away. It had nothing to do with the Predator's skills or because he had knowledge of the place.


I think it does it as effectively but whatever, so rehashing huh? So you do admit it's the same?

No real build up, all the MIB-esque foreshadowing isn't build up? Glover trying to figure it out, King Willy talking about demons, that's not build up?

Trouble remembering things? :lol It's been established and I repetitively said that P2 is a less effective version of P2 in a different setting...hence, not as original.



So this time Busey had the home field advantage, but the Predator still beat him, I'm not sure how this is supposed to support your point about the Jungle being inherently better???

He is dealing with an alien with alien technology and Busey is one of the film's antagonists. I explained how Dutch used the jungle and his environment in a more entertaining and in a more effective way using the mud when he discovered a weakness to exploit.



You do realize that in P2 the pred is also watching their every move right? Even killing them one by one too.

What I got from there is that P2 is actually more original than you're giving it credit for, after all, according to you, The Predator was being hunted from the beginning.

The idea of the hunter being hunted while he's hunting someone should be interesting, but it's poorly realized in the film...a bit of a waste just like the alien ship and the elder aliens showing up, all wasted opportunities.



Oh, alright, I'll read it. Is it any different than what's in the movie?

No, but it's very detail, kind of like a James Cameron T2 script. There are little differences with some of the lines like instead of, "What's the matter? The CIA got you pushing too many pencils?" it says, "they have you pushing too many pencils" or something like that...but the entire scene is exactly like the film, even describing the muscular glossy biceps :lol



We're yet again back on you having problems to remember stuff, why is it that I have no problem remembering stuff you don't? Again, memorable doesn't = good, I agree that P1's intro was iconic as ****, but Harrigan's intro is pretty good too.

Sometimes when I say something is not memorable, it's not meant literally...it's meant figuratively :lol I figure you understood that, so when I say that the characters are forgettable or that the intro is forgettable, it doesn't mean I literally don't remember anything, it just means, it's just another dime a dozen scene or intro...thus forgettable compared to other films with great scenes and classic moments. The Indy intro sequence is super iconic and classic...thus is memorable, but I literally remember the opening of The Punisher bust is that iconic and an all time memorable scene, in my opinion...no. The same concept applies to P2...as a film.



P1 uses every 80's Rambo cliché, P2 uses every 90's cop cliche, P1 gets a pass, P2 doesn't, got it.

Yes, because it makes up for it by giving us iconic moments and enough new material that you don't see in a Rambo movie, a Lethal Weapon movie or Die Hard. Sure, Rambo covered himself in mud to kill a guy...and he didn't do it accidentally, that was part of his tactics because he's amazing, but Predator does it differently by not only having Dutch doing it by accident, there's a huge iconic alien in the scene...and there's the little twist when Dutch realizes he can't be seen and finds a weakness on what's at that point an unstoppable creature.


It's not because it's tainted by bad films, it's because it's a pretty bad idea to remove the mystery from a creature that relies on it, there's nothing that 99.999% of the artists/writers can tell that is more foreboding nor interesting than not knowing about the character, and letting the mind of both the audience and the characters wonder about the worst, P2 tackled this is a great way, they gave us just little hints to let our minds wonder, it let us know that they travel more worlds and they hunt other species other than humans, way larger species, they let us know that they probably live way longer than humans, they lets us know that they probably don't travel alone, but in little clans, etc etc. Not knowing also permits each character from each region imprint their own legends on it, P1 was el diablo cazador de hombres, very chupacabra type thing, P2 was a voodoo demon from the other side. etc etc.

I couldn't disagree more, but I do believe one of the reasons you feel that way is because AVP didn't handled it well. You really wouldn't want to see a Predator that explores other worlds, with a none human protagonist, and still having the Predator race as an antagonist fighting a new alien (not xenomorph) protagonist? Keeping the Predator as a hunter on earth using the same Friday the 13th formula is so limiting and it was already done perfectly in P1.



But he wasn't :lol

He sounded a little weird in a few scenes for some reason...but he's way more tolerable than Glover in his sweaty MC hammer pants :lol

Trash Panda
03-08-2016, 06:25 PM
TL;DR

GasparZizou
03-08-2016, 06:33 PM
What is? Not sure what you are referring to?
Removing the mystery.



You mentioned something about the Predator getting around Keyes' team despite having a en even more elaborate and sophisticated plan to get him. All I said was that they succeeded but their lights gave them away. It had nothing to do with the Predator's skills or because he had knowledge of the place.
Yeah but what was this point about? :lol we're losing it man :lol



Trouble remembering things? :lol It's been established and I repetitively said that P2 is a less effective version of P2 in a different setting...hence, not as original.
You established that, I disagreed. But I mean you keep saying it's not memorable, I wonder why I don't have problem remembering the stuff you say it's not memorable.



He is dealing with an alien with alien technology and Busey is one of the film's antagonists. I explained how Dutch used the jungle and his environment in a more entertaining and in a more effective way using the mud when he discovered a weakness to exploit.
Isn't Keyes using the environment as well?



The idea of the hunter being hunted while he's hunting someone should be interesting, but it's poorly realized in the film...a bit of a waste just like the alien ship and the elder aliens showing up, all wasted opportunities.
I guess we disagree yet again :lol



No, but it's very detail, kind of like a James Cameron T2 script. There are little differences with some of the lines like instead of, "What's the matter? The CIA got you pushing too many pencils?" it says, "they have you pushing too many pencils" or something like that...but the entire scene is exactly like the film, even describing the muscular glossy biceps :lol
You had me at glossy biceps.



Sometimes when I say something is not memorable, it's not meant literally...it's meant figuratively :lol I figure you understood that, so when I say that the characters are forgettable or that the intro is forgettable, it doesn't mean I literally don't remember anything, it just means, it's just another dime a dozen scene or intro...thus forgettable compared to other films with great scenes and classic moments. The Indy intro sequence is super iconic and classic...thus is memorable, but I literally remember the opening of The Punisher bust is that iconic and an all time memorable scene, in my opinion...no. The same concept applies to P2...as a film.
Alright alright.



Yes, because it makes up for it by giving us iconic moments and enough new material that you don't see in a Rambo movie, a Lethal Weapon movie or Die Hard. Sure, Rambo covered himself in mud to kill a guy...and he didn't do it accidentally, that was part of his tactics because he's amazing, but Predator does it differently by not only having Dutch doing it by accident, there's a huge iconic alien in the scene...and there's the little twist when Dutch realizes he can't be seen and finds a weakness on what's at that point an unstoppable creature.
But P2 has also tons of awesome and not only memorable, unique.



I couldn't disagree more, but I do believe one of the reasons you feel that way is because AVP didn't handled it well. You really wouldn't want to see a Predator that explores other worlds, with a none human protagonist, and still having the Predator race as an antagonist fighting a new alien (not xenomorph) protagonist? Keeping the Predator as a hunter on earth using the same Friday the 13th formula is so limiting and it was already done perfectly in P1.
It has nothing to do with AVP, I love the Aztecs and Mayans, so it wasn't that. It's the fact of knowing about them.

No I would not, by removing scared human characters the predator loses a big chunk of its charm imo, it happened with Predators, the whole Superpredator thing was super retarded :lol

I don't think it's limiting at all, hell, there's nothing wrong with repeating the formula when the formula is great, you keep saying how P2 is just a rehash, and it may be true at core, but it also has tons of original stuff sprinkled on top. Jace Madan makes an excellent point about it.