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The Mike
07-25-2008, 10:13 AM
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/07/24/mia-wasikowska.jpg

I totally forgot Tim Burton was making a new version of Alice in Wonderland, but yeah, he is, and word is he's found his lead in Australian actress Mia Wasikowska--and he didn't even have to look through the looking glass to find her! Haha! Try and top that, Hollywood Reporter!

Tim Burton and Disney have found their new Alice -- not in Wonderland or down the rabbit hole but Down Under.

Australian actress Mia Wasikowska is in final negotiations to walk through the looking glass in Burton's take on Lewis Carroll's classic fantasy novel "Alice in Wonderland."

Damn, they got me again. "Wonderland," "down the rabbit hole," and "through the looking glass," all in two sentences? I don't know how they do it. I'll out-idiotic-cutesy-reference you one day, Hollywood Reporter.

I can only imagine what Burton will do with Alice in Wonderland.....but after seeing Willy Wonka and remembering Edward Scissorhands, I have an idea...I wonder who Johnny Depp will play??

Reinhardt
07-25-2008, 10:15 AM
i can't wait to see this!!!!!!

shaun-o
07-25-2008, 10:20 AM
It's gonna be in 3D too. I saw Journey to the Center of the Earth last weekend and it looked amazing. I can't wait to see what they do with this.

Rogue Trooper
07-25-2008, 10:22 AM
This i want to see, ive seen many bad Alice in Wonderlands and Tim Burtons style will be cool to see.

pixletwin
07-25-2008, 10:33 AM
Looking forward to this (by great coincidence my iTunes is playing the Nightmare Before Christmas OST. :inlove)

Sick Boy 82
07-25-2008, 10:40 AM
Yeah, I do wanna see this!!!

This may be blasphemy, but I'm kinda getting tired of Johnny. He doesn't really excite me anymore when I hear he is gonna be in a movie anymore. But with what Mike said, I'm guessing he will be the Mad Hater.

When the hell do we get the Rob Zombie Evil Alice In Wonderland already??!! That's the one I am really excited to see!!!

tylerd
07-25-2008, 10:56 AM
When the hell do we get the Rob Zombie Evil Alice In Wonderland already??!! That's the one I am really excited to see!!!

sherri moon is too old.

Darth Waller
07-25-2008, 10:58 AM
I thought it'd be a bad idea to remake Willy Wonka because I loved that movie growing up, but Burton's take was better and more like the book. Because of that, I'd be up for a good version of Alice in Wonderland.

Sick Boy 82
07-25-2008, 11:03 AM
sherri moon is too old.

Hahaha! Yeah, definitely! I still want one!

wofford29
07-25-2008, 04:17 PM
Mark my words. Before his career is over. Tim Burton is going to remake "The Wizard of Oz."

Sick Boy 82
07-25-2008, 04:21 PM
Are you excited or pissed over that fact?? Your tone is a little hard to tell. "Mark my words" is usually a pised off statement, so........

I wouldn't watch a remake of Oz anyways, no matter who did it.

pixletwin
07-25-2008, 04:27 PM
Mark my words. Before his career is over. Tim Burton is going to remake "The Wizard of Oz."

Holy moly... that is such as awesome idea (smacks self for never thinking the same thing) :slap

I would love to see that. :joy

Alice Adrenochrome
07-25-2008, 04:32 PM
Alice
Dont give it way

scubasteve
07-25-2008, 05:04 PM
No doubt Depp will be in it.

yodasan
07-25-2008, 09:48 PM
Depp will be the Mad Hatter.

Memnoch
07-26-2008, 12:49 AM
Holy moly... that is such as awesome idea (smacks self for never thinking the same thing) :slap

I would love to see that. :joy

If, like Charlie and the Chocolate Factor, he stays a tad closer to the source material, I'd be game. But again, like the former, you'd have people saying "He changed it sooo drastically" because they dont :read

The Mike
07-26-2008, 01:13 AM
The Synopsis:

Tim Burton (Edward Scissorhands, Beetlejuice) attempts to work his gothic magic over one of the best loved stories of all time... Lewis Carroll's 'Alice In Wonderland', which first told the story of a young girl, who after following a rabbit down a hole, is transported to a strange world. Whilst the disney version of the tale relied on sweetness and light to delight the audience, Burton fans can be sure to look out for the same cartoon traits as earlier masterpiece 'The Nightmare Before Christmas'.

He plans to use a mix of heavy CGI with his live action actors. Should be interesting to see how this frames up with a 2010 release date planned.

UTtoyfan
07-26-2008, 05:25 AM
I love Nightmare Before Christmas(will be buying the Blu-ray later this year) and can't wait to see his version of Alice in Wonderland.

The Mike
07-29-2008, 11:34 PM
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/07/29/johnny-depp-wonka.jpg

Johnny Depp is to play the Mad Hatter in a new version of 'Alice in Wonderland'.

The 'Sleepy Hollow' actor is teaming up with director Tim Burton again for the movie, a re-imagining of the classic children's tale.

A source said: "Tim has had designs on 'Alice in Wonderland' since before he was famous.

"He has a knack for turning what seems like stories for just kids into gripping, spooky fables loved just as much by adults.

"He's held out on doing 'Alice' until he got a big enough budget. Now this film is financed by Disney so money won't be a problem."

The movie - which is scheduled for release in 2010 - will be the seventh time Johnny and Tim have worked together.

They have previously collaborated on 'Edward Scissorhands', 'Ed Wood', 'Sleepy Hollow', 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory', 'Corpse Bride' and 'Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street'.

Disney produced an animated version of 'Alice in Wonderland' in 1951.

Meanwhile, Johnny is said to be teaming up with director Terry Gilliam to make 'The Man Who Killed Don Quixote'.

Work on the project was halted after just five days in 2001, with the setbacks chronicled in a documentary, 'Lost In La Mancha'.

Actor Jean Rochefort suffered a double hernia on the first day of filming, while the second day saw most of the set in Madrid washed away.

Johnny allegedly refused to wait for his co-star to recover before filming could begin again and pulled out of the role, causing financiers to pull their backing and the project being aborted.

A source revealed: "They are having another crack at it after putting a deal together. Johnny is a bigger star now than he was then, thanks to the 'Pirates of the Caribbean' franchise, and there is every confidence they can pull it off."

(C) BANG Media International.

I didn't know it was being funded by Disney....huh....I wonder if it will hinder his vision at all

EVILFACE
07-29-2008, 11:42 PM
Well some parts of the Pirate movies weren't all kid friendly, so I think they will let Burton go about his style. Prolly along the lines of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

galactiboy
07-30-2008, 09:42 AM
Tim Burton used to be one of my favorites... but he's had a few bad movies that make me leary of new films. POTA and Charlie and the Chocolate factory were horrendous; I couldn't finish Charlie, and only sat though POTA because I was at the theater.

But I still come back for more, becuse he does still make some great stuff even with the occassional stinker.

Ultimate Weapon
07-31-2008, 01:46 AM
Mark my words. Before his career is over. Tim Burton is going to remake "The Wizard of Oz."

Is there anything that Tim Burton isn't going to remake?

siren3-4
07-31-2008, 05:08 AM
Is there anything that Tim Burton isn't going to remake?

Pokemon the movie ?

Blackhole
07-31-2008, 07:52 AM
Speaking of the Wizard of Oz, did anyone ever pick up Mcfarlane's Twisted Land of Oz?

foolkiller
07-31-2008, 08:02 AM
Mark my words. Before his career is over. Tim Burton is going to remake "The Wizard of Oz."

I totally thought that too the other day.

The Mike
08-03-2008, 02:42 AM
Source: Aaronian Kenrod August 2, 2008

This is Plymouth reports that Walt Disney Pictures' Alice in Wonderland, to be directed by Tim Burton and starring Mia Wasikowska, will film in Plymouth, England for two weeks in September.

The new adaptation of the Lewis Carroll classic will combine performance-capture imagery with live-action footage. It is targeted for a March 5, 2010 release.

The site says:

The film's casting agents are coming to the New Continental Hotel, Plymouth, on Wednesday August 6 and Thursday August 7, between 10am and 6pm, auditioning for paid extras. There is a minimum age limit of 16.

Ilenka Jelowicki, who has cast for James Bond movie Casino Royale and is company director for Mad Dog, said: "We are looking for people above the age of 16 who have naturally coloured hair.

"We would prefer girls with long hair and men with natural styles. Extras will get to dress up in Victorian period costume, corsets and wigs and will have their make-up done.

It is not known yet where the production will film in the city.

amarcord
08-03-2008, 02:54 AM
That Mia girllooks exactly as one of my best friends - even thought it was her when I opened this thread :-)
So weird.

Looking forward to see this film and very curious to see the interpretation of Tim Burton.

The Mike
08-10-2008, 12:09 AM
More 'Mad' Speculation about Johnny Depp in 'Wonderland'
Posted on Wednesday, August 6, 2008

If there's one guy who ought to buy stock in rumor mills, it's Johnny Depp. I mean, he's the guy for any movie you can think of, so long as Robert Downey hasn't already been cast. We've dissected the Riddler rumors (which I don't think are true because I have a feeling Christopher Nolan wants a less recognizable villain in the next Batman movie), and there has been a steady stream of talk about Depp playing The Mad Hatter in Tim Burton's upcoming Alice in Wonderland.

That rumor just got a little stronger thanks to Entertainment Weekly. The magazine's online hub says that "a very well placed source" has the scoop: Depp will play The Mad Hatter, we just don't know whether or not he'll be on camera.
"The film will be live action until Alice (played by Mia Wasikowska of HBO's In Treatment) jumps down the rabbit hole and meets the loopy tea party host," reports EW. "The big question is whether Depp himself will don a Hatter outfit, or lend his voice to the computer-generated version."
Well, by the description of the story, he'll be computer animated. Although, for maximum effect, don't you think Depp should be live action? He's probably the best facial actor alive. His expressions are at least 50% of his uniqueness.
Again, as with all other rumors of this kind, your mileage may vary. We said last week it sounds almost too perfect. But he and Burton go back a long way. I'm sure if Depp wants to play the part, he can.

spidermonkey
08-10-2008, 09:38 AM
I believe that Todd Mcfarlane was going to do his version of The Wizard of Oz based on his toy line Twisted Land of Oz. I have not heard anything about it in a while though.

GrueSam
08-10-2008, 06:27 PM
Speaking of the Wizard of Oz, did anyone ever pick up Mcfarlane's Twisted Land of Oz?
We've got them. :D


Don't forget- Nightmare Before Christmas is also Disney and it came out pretty dang perfect! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/gruesam/Emoticons/jack_mad.gif

theokou
11-18-2008, 12:45 PM
First leaked image of Johnny Depp as Mad Hatter:

http://johnny-depp.org/admin/pics/madhatter.jpg

(Courtesy of johnny-depp.org:http://johnny-depp.org/admin/pics/madhatter.jpg)

The Mike
11-18-2008, 12:48 PM
That's about what I expected.

Jen
11-18-2008, 12:49 PM
I love it! Can't wait to see this. :D

galactiboy
11-18-2008, 12:49 PM
Hmmm... uhhh... not really sure what to think about that. Just has a bit of a silly goth look to it, maybe Burton's style is getting stale :lol

The Mike
11-18-2008, 12:51 PM
Burton has always been Goth. Even his Batman had a touch of the Goth. Its just about what I expected although I expected the Hatter's hair to be Black or White but this falls under that realm.

galactiboy
11-18-2008, 12:53 PM
Oh I know, but this just seems more commercialized looking than previous work. Its still his "style" but it seems more contrived.

The Mike
11-18-2008, 12:55 PM
That's the thing. Now Burton has to try hard to be Burtonesque because its expected. This will definitely feel more commercial because he is trying to keep up with the reputation he built for himself.

galactiboy
11-18-2008, 12:58 PM
Yeah, and I don't know if there is anyway around that or if its just what's going to happen. I love Tim Burton and with the exception of POTA and Chocolate Factory I really dig all of his movies. I really want this to be good, but I'm a bit worried as his remake films have been pretty bad IMO.

Agent0028
11-18-2008, 01:22 PM
I prefer the cartoon. :lol Tim Burton's stuff scares me. :o

LChinoz
11-18-2008, 02:27 PM
Gotta be honest, I'm getting a bit tired of Burton's remakes. I loved Batman and Edward Scissorhands, but his remakes are just goth takes on classics. I really didn't like his Willie Wonka and POTA remakes...didn't compare to the originals IMO. I am all for Tim doing more originals, but his remakes are waring on me. And I love Depp, but he looks just like he does in every other Timmy movie.

I'd love to see Tim Burton's "The Mighty Ducks" though :lol

The Mike
11-18-2008, 03:53 PM
I am in the minority that liked Burton's CatCF. It was closer to the book than the Gene Wilder version and had that silly feel that Dahl books intended. Deep didn't play Wonka as I envisioned him but he certainly made it his own.

As for POTA well.....lets just say I loved the ending.

My wife is a huge Alice in Wonderland and Depp fan so by hook or by crook I'll be in line when this comes out.

CelticPredator
11-18-2008, 03:56 PM
hopefully not turn her into aurora snow!! :lol :lol :lol



(pic Xed so I dont get teh banned...)

But was this the reason Tylerd was banned? :lol


Also..I really dont like the Depp Hatter look at all....not...one...bit.

galactiboy
11-18-2008, 04:00 PM
I am in the minority that liked Burton's CatCF. It was closer to the book than the Gene Wilder version and had that silly feel that Dahl books intended. Deep didn't play Wonka as I envisioned him but he certainly made it his own.

As for POTA well.....lets just say I loved the ending.


I liked that it ended, that was about it :lol

I honestly couldn't make it through CatCF... after like the 2nd Umpa Lumpa song I was done :lol

LChinoz
11-18-2008, 04:06 PM
I know Burton's CCF was more accurate to the novel, but to me it lacked the humor of WWCF. I also always thought that while the first one had humor geared towards adults, Burton's always seemed like a kid's movie. It wasn't a bad film, just didn't stand up to the original.

CelticPredator
11-18-2008, 04:58 PM
I agree with the above...and I also enjoyed it.

rebelpig
11-18-2008, 06:02 PM
http://johnny-depp.org/admin/pics/madhatter.jpg

Fascinating that his eyes are yellow, mercury poisoning (which drove many a milliner mad) apparantly causes a yellowing/browning and clouding of the eyes. Obviously Burton has heard this and taken it to the extreme (as ever).

This would make a beautiful doll.

YoNoSe
11-18-2008, 06:15 PM
From what I've read the jury is still out on whether or not this pic is legit. It doesn't really do anything for me as a design.

LChinoz
11-18-2008, 06:45 PM
Looks legit to me but what do I know, I wanted to believe in Bigfoot in a cooler :lol

SimFeliz
11-18-2008, 06:54 PM
I'm not 100% convinced this is legit. I'll wait until we get official word. I love Burton so I'm looking forward to this. Still not sold on the look, but not hating it either. It might just have to grow on me.

YoNoSe
11-18-2008, 07:00 PM
Bigfoot in a cooler :lol

I don't even know what that means but put me down for 2. :lol

EVILFACE
11-18-2008, 07:05 PM
http://johnny-depp.org/admin/pics/madhatter.jpg

Fascinating that his eyes are yellow, mercury poisoning (which drove many a milliner mad) apparantly causes a yellowing/browning and clouding of the eyes. Obviously Burton has heard this and taken it to the extreme (as ever).

This would make a beautiful doll.

Looks like Madona in the 80's.

LChinoz
11-18-2008, 07:07 PM
I don't even know what that means but put me down for 2. :lol

:lol It was big news a few months ago. It was even on CNN, these dudes claimed they caught bigfoot dead and so they stuck him in a giant cooler. Pictures and story here:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/08/080820-bigfoot-body.html

CelticPredator
11-18-2008, 07:07 PM
Hahahah! Yes thats it! I knew he looked like something.

I dont know...something about this...isnt really Burtonesq. Its like way past Goth, and into drag territory....

YoNoSe
11-18-2008, 07:11 PM
:lol It was big news a few months ago. It was even on CNN, these dudes claimed they caught bigfoot dead and so they stuck him in a giant cooler. Pictures and story here:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/08/080820-bigfoot-body.html

HAHA!:lol:lol:lol
It's actually funnier when you see the picture! It looks like a carpet and some chewed up hot dogs!

Oh, man. I believe in you, Bigfoot in a cooler.....I believe in you....:rotfl

rebelpig
11-19-2008, 05:12 AM
I think the photograph leaves a lot to be desired, no doubt the devil will be in the detail in this costume.
But I think I know what i'm wearing on friday night now! (now where did I leave my bunny!)

Odin
11-19-2008, 07:05 AM
Looks like Madona in the 80's.

I was going to say Boy George... perhaps this is their secret love child? :lol

IronFingaz
11-20-2008, 05:24 PM
Pic is gone and i didnt see it :monkey2

theokou
06-22-2009, 01:56 AM
Depp's pic was legit after all.

Here is a story from USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-21-alice-in-wonderland_N.htm)

and character photos of three characters:

Mad Hatter:
http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2009/06/22/deppx.jpg

Red Queen
http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2009/06/22/redqueenx.jpg

White Queen
http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2009/06/22/whitequeenx.jpg


Zanuck assures most kids can handle it. "The book itself is pretty dark," he notes. "This is for little people and people who read it when they were little 50 years ago."

IrishJedi
06-22-2009, 02:55 AM
Depp's Mad Hatter = Frightmares!

Hulksmashed
06-22-2009, 05:36 AM
Depp would definately be the Mad Hatter and or The Caterpiller!

CelticPredator
06-22-2009, 06:07 AM
Red Queen looks scarier.....:horror: Big head!

King Darkness
06-22-2009, 06:08 AM
Red Queen looks like Pennywise.

wofford29
06-22-2009, 06:10 AM
Depp looks like Elijah Wood in that pic.

CelticPredator
06-22-2009, 06:12 AM
He really does.

Reinhardt
06-22-2009, 06:37 AM
this is going to be great!!!!!

EVILFACE
06-22-2009, 06:53 AM
Carrot Top is in this?

creature4000
06-22-2009, 07:45 AM
this movie looks great.... here's a link to production art.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-22-wonderland-art_N.htm

NASEDO
06-22-2009, 08:31 AM
this movie looks great.... here's a link to production art.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-22-wonderland-art_N.htm

This does look really good.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0008/7086/wonderslide2.jpg

http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0008/7089/wonderslide3.jpg

http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0008/7083/wonderslide1.jpg

http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0008/7092/wonderslide4.jpg

Kuzeh
06-22-2009, 10:04 AM
Wow!!!
Amazing!!!
Can't wait for this one!! :rock!!

uscmhicks
06-22-2009, 10:07 AM
this one should be special.
The production art is reminding me of Pans Labryrinth.

Darth Waller
06-22-2009, 10:13 AM
Mad Hatter:
http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2009/06/22/deppx.jpg


Depp looks like Elijah Wood in that pic.

Or Madonna.

http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/2008/02/41591/400_madonna_080213_et_mkappeler_afp_79739251.jpg

Bamboota
06-22-2009, 05:35 PM
I'm pretty sure it's gonna be as crappy as Sweeny Todd...Tim Burton's days ended in the 90's, i dunno why they keep letting him do the same old movies over and over again.

Bamboota
06-22-2009, 05:38 PM
Or Madonna.

http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/2008/02/41591/400_madonna_080213_et_mkappeler_afp_79739251.jpg

LOL...Nice catch btw!

Darth Waller
06-22-2009, 05:39 PM
LOL...Nice catch btw!

:D:D:D:D:D

darthviper107
06-22-2009, 06:42 PM
This looks pretty cool, I want to see the Cheshire cat

Deckard
06-22-2009, 06:50 PM
Depp, wtf man? Burton loves to have Depp in his movies to he can underultise his talent and make him look like an ass clown.

$20 says the porn version will be far better then this movie.

YoNoSe
06-22-2009, 06:52 PM
Other than Charlie and the Chocolate Factory I think all of their movies are excellent. :dunno
Can't wait for this.

Batty
06-22-2009, 06:55 PM
I can't wait to see this. The only Burton movie I really didn't like was POTA.

Agent0028
06-22-2009, 06:55 PM
Burton's ^^^^ scares me, but this looks cool, I may go see it. But I'll probably have nightmares afterwards. :lol

YoNoSe
06-22-2009, 07:04 PM
I can't wait to see this. The only Burton movie I really didn't like was POTA.

I'm not a fan of that either but he jumped into that at the last minute. I always forget that's a Burton movie.

BillyBudd
06-22-2009, 07:49 PM
I'm looking forward to this, BUT I hope the environments don't look too artificial due to overuse of CG. Also, I don't like how the Mad Hatter looks. I don't see the need for the white face paint.

Nocturne
06-25-2009, 01:16 PM
Am really not too sure what to make of it really. The 2 Alice books are 2 of my favourites.

Think if this was made by a Bettlejuice era Tim Burton I'd be really excited about this, otherwise I haven't liked what he's done recently except The Corpse Bride.

That and his constant use of the same cast is getting incredibly tedious.

The Ween
06-25-2009, 01:19 PM
Am really not too sure what to make of it really. The 2 Alice books are 2 of my favourites.

Think if this was made by a Bettlejuice era Tim Burton I'd be really excited about this, otherwise I haven't liked what he's done recently except The Corpse Bride.

That and his constant use of the same cast is getting incredibly tedious.

His "wife" sure doesn't have to look far for work does she? :lol

Batty
06-25-2009, 01:24 PM
I'll see it just because of this. :lol

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9430/tweedledeeandtweedledum.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/tweedledeeandtweedledum.jpg/)

The Entity
06-25-2009, 02:13 PM
I'll see it just because of this. :lol


:lol Yes! Awesome! Saw that picture a couple of days ago on a Dutch website too. Looks great :)

Darklord Dave
06-25-2009, 02:21 PM
I'm looking forward to this, BUT I hope the environments don't look too artificial due to overuse of CG. Also, I don't like how the Mad Hatter looks. I don't see the need for the white face paint.

Well, I'd imagine Wonderland will look pretty artificial no matter how it's done. I hate it when fantasy realms look like just anybody's backyard.

As for his wife getting work - at least she's a world class actress - not like his model first wife (girlfriend?) who couldn't act her way out of bag.

I like a lot of Burton's work, although he's more style over substance. I wasn't a fan of Big Fish, but everything else has been pretty decent.

Nocturne
06-25-2009, 02:32 PM
His "wife" sure doesn't have to look far for work does she? :lol

Don't you just love Nepotism :lol
Wonder if Johnny has to do the same :lol

Agent0028
06-25-2009, 04:45 PM
Who is his wife?

Darklord Dave
06-25-2009, 10:34 PM
Helena Bonham Carter

DarkArtist81
06-25-2009, 10:40 PM
Well, I'd imagine Wonderland will look pretty artificial no matter how it's done. I hate it when fantasy realms look like just anybody's backyard.

As for his wife getting work - at least she's a world class actress - not like his model first wife (girlfriend?) who couldn't act her way out of bag.

I like a lot of Burton's work, although he's more style over substance. I wasn't a fan of Big Fish, but everything else has been pretty decent.

:lecture Ditto.

I love Burton, his art is very much like my own... he has been a huge inspiration to me. And Helena can act, so that doesn't worry me.

And I'm glad to see Matt Lucas in something new, I loved him as Dongalor in Krod Mandoon... he was the best thing about the show.

I'm looking forward to this.

The Mike
06-25-2009, 10:51 PM
Burton isn't married to Carter. They do though have a son. He was never married to Lisa Marie either. His only marriage was to Lena Gieseke.

For those who don't remember this is Lisa Marie:

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/LisaMarie.jpg

She was in Planet of the Apes, Ed Wood, Mars Attacks and Sleepy Hollow.

The Ween
06-25-2009, 11:16 PM
Burton isn't married to Carter. They do though have a son. He was never married to Lisa Marie either. His only marriage was to Lena Gieseke.

For those who don't remember this is Lisa Marie:

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/LisaMarie.jpg

She was in Planet of the Apes, Ed Wood, Mars Attacks and Sleepy Hollow.

That's why I said "wife". If you've been together that long and have two kids, you're technically married. At least IMO.

The Ween
06-25-2009, 11:22 PM
I didn't know Burton was doing 1984 and Dark Shadows. :confused:

Josette
06-26-2009, 05:54 AM
Dark Shadows was first brought up in 2007, in July. I remember it very clearly because I almost passed out when I read it. ;)

Shai
06-26-2009, 06:03 AM
Well, I'd imagine Wonderland will look pretty artificial no matter how it's done. I hate it when fantasy realms look like just anybody's backyard.

As for his wife getting work - at least she's a world class actress - not like his model first wife (girlfriend?) who couldn't act her way out of bag.

I like a lot of Burton's work, although he's more style over substance. I wasn't a fan of Big Fish, but everything else has been pretty decent.

Stop the Drama, Dave.Big Fish was a cute movie.

wofford29
07-22-2009, 10:36 AM
Teaser trailer...
http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/14219277/alice-in-wonderland/videos/alice_wondr_tease1_072209.html

Batty
07-22-2009, 10:47 AM
Looks pretty cool to me. It'll be great to see in 3-D.

IronFingaz
07-22-2009, 11:22 AM
Teaser trailer...
http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/14219277/alice-in-wonderland/videos/alice_wondr_tease1_072209.html

:rock :rock :rock :rock :rock

Awesome!!! Can't wait to see it!

Shai
07-22-2009, 11:26 AM
looks good....But I would have prefer a darker version...

darthviper107
07-22-2009, 01:08 PM
That's a pretty cool trailer, very interesting.

Kuzeh
07-22-2009, 01:10 PM
looks good....But I would have prefer a darker version...

I agree... looks too... "Dinseyish"...:(

Nocturne
07-22-2009, 02:01 PM
Lets face it Burton sold out years ago, the kid who made Beetlejuice/Beetlegeuse, Batman and Edward Scissorhands is long gone

darthviper107
07-22-2009, 03:24 PM
He did a good job on Sweeney Todd though, really enjoyed that one.

Batty
07-22-2009, 03:27 PM
Lets face it Burton sold out years ago, the kid who made Beetlejuice/Beetlegeuse, Batman and Edward Scissorhands is long gone

Those movies weren't mainstream blockbusters?

Dementor
07-22-2009, 04:02 PM
He did a good job on Sweeney Todd though, really enjoyed that one.

Me too! Sweeney Todd was wonderful!

Agent0028
07-22-2009, 04:46 PM
Can't get the trailer to play for me.

plasmid303
07-22-2009, 05:33 PM
Can't get the trailer to play for me.

Me neither. This one worked for me though:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/alice-in-wonderland-trailer.php

I just watched it and thought a couple things about Depp. This role will either get Depp nominated again for an Oscar or will be considered another Willy Wonka-esque oddity. I can now clearly imagine Depp as The Riddler.

Agent0028
07-22-2009, 06:01 PM
Hmm, not as creepy as I expected. I may go see it.

Dementor
07-22-2009, 08:26 PM
I think it looks pretty amazing! Kinda weird...but Alice in Wonderland is weird!

Darth Waller
07-22-2009, 08:30 PM
Looks good to me. I can't wait to see it in 3D.

jinxx
07-22-2009, 09:04 PM
ummm, he worked for Disney in the beginning, right!?....:confused:

The Ween
07-22-2009, 10:07 PM
I think it looks great!

Aerosmith
07-22-2009, 10:59 PM
Looks great! I can't wait to see it! :rock

The Entity
07-23-2009, 03:46 AM
This looks great indeed! :)

I'm definitely going to see this in theatres!!!

IronFingaz
07-23-2009, 04:30 AM
ummm, he worked for Disney in the beginning, right!?....:confused:

Yup, he worked on The Fox And The Hound.

Cap'n Cook
07-23-2009, 12:53 PM
WOW that's a lot of CGI!

Not too impressed.

The Mike
07-24-2009, 12:36 AM
Here is the thing. Burton has become too Burton even for his own tastes. He has a gothic style that even he himself has had to overdo to appease those who follow his stylings. Charlie and Chocolate Factory was a great example of him being "Too Burton" for his own good where it seemed absolutely forced. This feels the same way except instead of having a darker, more adult take on the story, its Burton Light done for the Mouse to be able to merchandise the hell out of.

I really like Johnny Depp, I wasn't impressed by his Mad Hatter. The movie looks like it'll be a great film over all visually but I don't have many high hopes in terms of the film's overall quality. I smell another Planet of the Apes or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory where people talk about how great it looks but how the movie itself wasn't anything to scream about.

Cap'n Cook
07-24-2009, 09:08 AM
Well summised Robert, very well summised. :)

Josette
07-24-2009, 04:48 PM
Agreed, though I love Charlie.

I prefer the gothic take of American McGee's Alice game.

Dr.Mirakle32
07-25-2009, 02:01 PM
Rewatching it recently, made me realize Sleepy Hollow is IMO, the best horror movie of the past decade. Tim Burton is a natural who needs to do more gothic horror instead of dolling up Johnny Depp and putting his "quirky spin" on movies that don't need it.

Agent0028
07-25-2009, 04:19 PM
Agreed, though I love Charlie.

I prefer the gothic take of American McGee's Alice game.

I think I read back in 01 that they were planning on doing a movie of that starring Natalie Portman. Obviously it never happened.

Kuzeh
11-10-2009, 11:17 AM
New poster is out,
looks amazing!! Wow!!

http://www.newsinfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/aliceinwonderland-1.jpg

jinxx
11-10-2009, 11:29 AM
New poster is out,
looks amazing!! Wow!!

http://www.newsinfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/aliceinwonderland-1.jpg

Cheshire Cat + Red Queen + Burton= AWESOMENESS!:rock2:rock2:rock2

Reinhardt
11-10-2009, 11:44 AM
Can't wait for this!!!

Nocturne
11-10-2009, 12:03 PM
Is it just me or does Alice look like she's being played by a blond Frida Kahlo ?

Kuzeh
11-10-2009, 12:09 PM
Is it just me or does Alice look like she's being played by a blond Frida Kahlo ?

That's not Alice,
that's the White Queen

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2009/06/22/whitequeenx.jpg

And no, she looks nothing like Frida Kahlo...

http://uncajonrevuelto.arte-redes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/frida-kahlo.jpg

This is Alice:

http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/showhype/story_large/2009/07/15/burton_alice_011__opt.jpg

galactiboy
11-10-2009, 12:27 PM
When I went to the theater this weekend there was a free magazine... and it had the above image, but it was one side of a 2 page wide image including Alice, the Mad Hatter (standing) and the Mad Hatter sitting at the table on the other side.

Kuzeh
11-10-2009, 01:02 PM
You mean this one?

http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Alice-in-Wonderland-Magazine-Scan.jpg

Looks good!

Bannister
11-10-2009, 02:25 PM
You mean this one?

http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Alice-in-Wonderland-Magazine-Scan.jpg

Looks good!

I wonder if they will do a one sheet for the other image. I definitely want to pick these up. I wasn't that impressed with the Mad Hatter teaser poster.

devilof76
11-11-2009, 10:11 PM
http://uncajonrevuelto.arte-redes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/frida-kahlo.jpg


:frank

...

Kuzeh
11-12-2009, 08:59 AM
The other poster,
pretty cool too!

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/aliceinwonderland-poster2-590x873.jpg

galactiboy
11-12-2009, 09:58 AM
Yes, that was the one... looks pretty cool overall. Still worried I won't like it, but the visual aspect seems really awesome. Although Depp still looks odd to me, just don't dig that look for the Mad Hatter.

jinxx
11-12-2009, 10:48 PM
He looks like Elijah Wood in drag!:huh

Valfar
11-13-2009, 12:32 AM
I think Depp looks fine as the Mad Hatter, Elijah Wood in drag?..nah!, they both share similar bone structure in the face, especially the jaw line and high cheek bones.

Shatterer of Dreams
11-13-2009, 09:06 AM
Burton has been hit or miss over the past 10 years so this could go either way. I'm really hard on Alice adaptations (this is my favorite story ever) so we'll see how this goes especially since i've never liked any live version of this story that has been filmed - they all get it wrong!

Kuzeh
11-17-2009, 12:18 PM
More poster views...
Cool!!

http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/alicewonderlandimage2.jpg

http://www.comingsoon.net/images/alicewonderlandimage4big.jpg

Martianreaper
11-18-2009, 03:22 AM
look's like a really weird movie.

agen_kolar
11-18-2009, 09:41 AM
He looks like Elijah Wood in drag!:huh

Yeah, when I saw the photo of the Mad Hatter when it was first released, I thought it was Elijah Wood.

Mighty_Jabba
12-16-2009, 02:31 AM
Trailer:
http://wdmpi-int.rd.llnwxd.net/AliceInWonderland/TrailerC/English/wia_TrlrC_English_High.mov

agen_kolar
12-16-2009, 08:06 AM
YESSS!!! Thanks oh Mighty_Jabba.

Cannot. wait.

Kuzeh
12-16-2009, 10:22 AM
Wow!!...
Looks very different, interesting, yet bizarre!!
Gotta check it out for sure!

Cap'n Cook
12-16-2009, 11:11 AM
Looks pretty OK so far. Much better than the first trailer, although it shows a little too much.

Ultimate Weapon
12-18-2009, 09:35 PM
Here is the thing. Burton has become too Burton even for his own tastes. He has a gothic style that even he himself has had to overdo to appease those who follow his stylings. Charlie and Chocolate Factory was a great example of him being "Too Burton" for his own good where it seemed absolutely forced. This feels the same way except instead of having a darker, more adult take on the story, its Burton Light done for the Mouse to be able to merchandise the hell out of.

I really like Johnny Depp, I wasn't impressed by his Mad Hatter. The movie looks like it'll be a great film over all visually but I don't have many high hopes in terms of the film's overall quality. I smell another Planet of the Apes or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory where people talk about how great it looks but how the movie itself wasn't anything to scream about.

I don't think I could have summarized my thoughts on the trailer and the look of the film any better than you've stated here.

Burton has almost become a caricature of himself in a lot of his more recent works. I would argue that he has often been more style than substance, even since his earliest films, and I've never really considered his "gothic vision" to be all that dark at all. It's always an idealized "cutesy" gothic, like the guy who wants to be dark, creepy and artsy, but just isn't.

Am I not all that familiar with the story or was the Mad Hatter really the central character he appears to be in this interpretation?

The Ween
12-19-2009, 02:04 PM
Yeah, when I saw the photo of the Mad Hatter when it was first released, I thought it was Elijah Wood.


I think Depp looks like his girlfriend Vanessa

http://kpitalrisk.free.fr/images/stars/0/Vanessa.jpg

Agent0028
12-19-2009, 02:14 PM
Hmm, so this almost seems to be a sequel to Alice in Wonderland. That's interesting.

hairlesswookiee
12-19-2009, 06:38 PM
cool trailer!! Anne Hathaway is so dreamy. I want to do some naughty things to her. :monkey5:monkey5

Darklord Dave
12-19-2009, 10:58 PM
The 3D trailer on Avatar looked very visually interesting. But I'd agree that I'd expect very little character or story here.

Agent0028
12-19-2009, 11:25 PM
Alice in Wonderland never really struck me as a story requiring character or story. It's essentially nonsense and ridiculousness strung together. But this movie has inspired me to bump the Alice books up higher on my to be read list so I can find out for certain what the books are like.

BadMoon
12-19-2009, 11:42 PM
The 3D trailer on Avatar looked very visually interesting. But I'd agree that I'd expect very little character or story here.

I honestly expect more character from Burton than ANY character in AVATAR. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! That's a lot of hahahaha's but true.

agen_kolar
12-20-2009, 12:48 PM
Alice in Wonderland never really struck me as a story requiring character or story. It's essentially nonsense and ridiculousness strung together. But this movie has inspired me to bump the Alice books up higher on my to be read list so I can find out for certain what the books are like.

I agree, but really, what is character development? I think it's not necessary in all instances. Everyone knows the story of Alice in Wonderland, so there's no need.

agen_kolar
02-25-2010, 09:10 AM
Some new clips (embedding disabled):

Stolen Tarts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3YmUx1rM8M

Potion Making:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2F8xx6zR6E

Tea Party:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBmLViALjhk

Clothe this girl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqjST_tjNag

Kuzeh
02-25-2010, 10:25 AM
Looking good!!
:rock!!

-Super Hans-
02-28-2010, 12:14 PM
The controversy over Disney's decision to cut short the theatrical run of Alice in Wonderland has come to a head. If you need me to rewind, here you go: A couple weeks ago, Disney announced that Alice would only be in theaters a grand total of 13 weeks. Why the short run? DVD and Blu-ray money. And though discs usually come out four months after the theatrical release date, anyway, films can stay in theaters for quite a bit longer, which makes exhibitors smile. This isn't.

So far, US theater owners haven't said much about it, but if it becomes commonplace, you're sure to see more headlines. The dust-up is coming from the UK, where Odeon cinemas has flipped Disney the bird, refusing to release Alice in its locations in the UK, Ireland, and Italy. The BBC reports that Odeon fears the short theatrical run will "set a new benchmark, leading to a 12-week window becoming rapidly standard." And you know, I can't even begin to see another side of the argument.

Stick it to the man odeon :rock

IrishJedi
03-03-2010, 08:43 AM
Saw this last night. God, what a mess.

Tim Burton is a hit-or-miss director now. His films are either solid, or they leave you shaking your head and/or laughing for the wrong reasons. I'm sad to report that this one is in the latter category (for me, anyway).

Also, Mad Hatter is probably Depp's worst performance in recent memory. That surprised me most of all.

agen_kolar
03-03-2010, 09:39 AM
Saw this last night. God, what a mess.

Tim Burton is a hit-or-miss director now. His films are either solid, or they leave you shaking your head and/or laughing for the wrong reasons. I'm sad to report that this one is in the latter category (for me, anyway).

Also, Mad Hatter is probably Depp's worst performance in recent memory. That surprised me most of all.

Sad day. :(

IrishJedi
03-03-2010, 09:42 AM
Hey, it's just one man's opinion. Don't let it affect your own. You still may like it!

agen_kolar
03-03-2010, 09:44 AM
Hey, it's just one man's opinion. Don't let it affect your own. You still may like it!

I may! :D Was there anything in particular that bothered you?

IrishJedi
03-03-2010, 09:53 AM
I may! :D Was there anything in particular that bothered you?

Well, if you're familiar with the characters from the original books/films, they're played much differently here... so much so that it really doesn't feel like AIW and does a disservice to the source material and its fans, imho. It was *too* Burtonized.

Devin from CHUD shares a lot of the same thoughts I have on the film, though he's a bit more rough on it than I'd be: http://chud.com/articles/articles/22779/1/REVIEW-ALICE-IN-WONDERLAND/Page1.html


REVIEW: ALICE IN WONDERLAND

Every generation gets their Hook.

Actually, that's a little bit of a facetious comparison. While Alice in Wonderland, like Hook, is a misguided and expensive sequel to a beloved children's story, at least Steven Spielberg understood what it was that made Peter Pan tick. Watching Alice in Wonderland one can't help but realize that the work of Lewis Carroll holds no place in the heart of Tim Burton, and that he probably doesn't get any of it beyond the most superficial surface level.

Like Hook, Alice in Wonderland sees an older version of a classic character returning to old haunts and meeting up with old friends. For some reason the Alice in Wonderland script, by Linda Woolverton, keeps Alice utterly in the dark for the entire film. We know that she's been to Wonderland before, the other characters know it, but bafflingly she doesn't. And when she does remember, right at the end, it's presented as some kind of big reveal. Huh? What makes it all the weirder is that the movie doesn't always feel like a sequel to Lewis Carroll's original work but some kind of weird echo, or a reboot. Characters drop famous audience identification lines from the original books, and they engage in activities that we recognize from previous adaptations, but these lines and these activities don't seem to have a place here; they're the Alice equivalent of a franchise throwing insipid fan service in the sixth film - a wink at the people who have been here all along.

But what's the point of Alice not remembering anything? It's just frustrating to spend the whole film so far ahead of your heroine; even if Alice had remembered everything from her childhood but thought she was dreaming throughout this current adventure it would have been more satisfying.

Well, sort of more satisfying. There's little satisfying here, especially for anyone who has appreciated the work of Lewis Carroll. For some reason Woolverton and Burton have opted to try and shoehorn Alice into the heroic fantasy mold, which is just completely wrong for the character. Lewis Carroll's two Alice books are episodic, strange and generally light; the writer played with words and logic, making games of language and thought. What he didn't do was throw Alice into sweeping battles or have her play a role in the fates of kingdoms, and putting Alice and these characters into those scenarios utterly distorts and ruins them; why anyone ever needed to see the Mad Hatter have a ____ing sword fight is beyond me. Everything in this movie is utterly wrong, coming from the point of view of someone who is even modestly aware of Lewis Carroll's work. The script has left all the whimsy out and replaced it with strange solemnity, and it has dropped all the surreality and replaced it with packaged weirdness.

But even if you're going to accept the idea that this movie utterly misses everything that makes Lewis Carroll's books special, it still sucks. Tim Burton seems unable to tell a story with any kind of narrative focus. The movie just wanders in and out of set designs, playing like a giant adaptation not of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland but rather The Art of Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. Sluggish and plodding, utterly without wit or any flair or spark of life, the film slowly wears you down.

Part of what wears you down is the pestilent design. Burton's Wonderland is a burnt out husk of unpleasantness; gone is the woodcarving precision of the original books and the lush colors of the cartoon; in their place are diseased purples and festering browns. Everything is disgusting to look at, a fairy tale dystopia. That extends to many of the character designs, which render Carroll's characters into horrific meatbeasts. Most of the film looks like it takes place in Mordor, which is appropriate since the last third explicitly rips off Lord of the Rings again and again (one of the few non-Mordor locations is the White Queen's castle, which apparently overlooks a photo of Rivendell). Just try to watch Alice battle the Jabberwocky (I know, I know, but this is the movie they've made) and not see a battle against the fell beasts of the Nazgul on the steps of Minas Tirith. I dare you.

Mia Wasikowska is lovely looking as a 20 year old Alice facing an adult life; sadly she's often utterly boring in a truly tedious hero's journey role. Helena Bonham Carter is irritating as the Queen of Hearts (incorrectly called the Red Queen), but at least she seems to be having fun. Other actors deliver generic voice over work, and Anne Hathaway looks amazing with white hair but is wretched as the White Queen.

The true stand out miserable performance comes from Johnny Depp, who has been the focus of all the film's advertising and will be the reason this piece of crap makes any money. The Mad Hatter is without a doubt Depp's worst role since... well maybe in his entire career. A formless mess of a performance, the Mad Hatter simply allows Depp to give in to all his worst instincts. When the Hatter is mad he's a Scotsman, when he's not he's a lisping prat... except when he's not a lisping prat. The character himself exists merely as a function of the plot - if you thought that Through the Looking Glass really needed an Obi Wan Kenobi character, you're in luck - so Depp gets to slide around within him without rhyme or reason. Weirdly the film gives the Mad Hatter an origin story (I ____ you not), but even that doesn't do much to define this mangled version of the eternal tea partier. Still, now I can say that I've lived long enough to watch a movie where the Mad Hatter is a dedicated freedom fighter.

Even the vaunted 3D in the film is useless. Burton didn't shoot stereoscopic, and I'm assuming he never imagined it would be converted after the fact, as he uses almost no depth at all in the picture. I forgot the movie was in 3D, and I don't mean it in that 'it was so immersive I was just in it,' I mean it in 'the movie's so flat there's no reason to shell out extra bucks for a 3D presentation.' There are a handful of shots where Burton plays with depth of field, but they feel like an afterthought.

One thing I will give the film is that the CGI is terrific. The movie mixes live action with CG almost seamlessly, and the few live action actors have been monkeyed about with in post production. There's a weight to many of the digital characters, and parts of the film feel animatronic or puppeteered, which I intend as a major compliment. Still, a bunch of strong effects doesn't stop the rest of the movie from being a heaping pile of garbage.

I had heard early reports that Alice in Wonderland was unwatchably bad, an unmitigated disaster. It's not - it's just regular terrible. Sloppy and stupid and filled with an endless string of wrongheaded decisions, the movie's a mess and deserves to fail, but it never rises to that exquisite level of true horror. It's a bore, an affront to anyone who is even familiar with the concept of Lewis Carroll and his books, but in the end it's banal. And I mean that - totally banal in the end, with Alice using her experiences in Wonderland to become a ____ing businesswoman. The ending of the movie plays like Tim Burton making peace with the fact that he's no longer an artist, he's now a content provider for Hot Topic.

4 out of 10

CelticPredator
03-03-2010, 10:29 AM
The first sentence really let me know that I couldnt give a ____ about his review. Hook is awesome.

IrishJedi
03-03-2010, 10:34 AM
HOOK isn't a trainwreck and has its moments, but I can't see how anyone would think it's "awesome" (aside from John Williams' score, which is one of his best).

CelticPredator
03-03-2010, 11:17 AM
Its fun. Super fun. I dont see how anyone could not see how awesome it is.

galactiboy
03-03-2010, 02:07 PM
Hmmm... I'm going to avoid any reviews so I can just see it, but I'm often scared by Tim Burton working with remakes/reimaginings. So far POTA and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory are two of the most dissapointing (and horrid) films I've ever seen.

CelticPredator
03-03-2010, 10:34 PM
I dont get the hate for Charlie at all.....totally understand Apes though....eh.

devilof76
03-04-2010, 12:10 AM
I can't stand Hook.

I'm still curious about this though.

DinoLast
03-04-2010, 04:09 AM
A popular paper in the UK
The News of the World ripped it to pieces

IT'S not often that you can start a film review quoting the wisdom of Orlando Bloom.
But Alice in Wonderland is a strange case.
As Elf-features himself once said in his film Elizabethtown: "There's a difference between a failure and a fiasco. A failure is simply the non-presence of success. Any fool can accomplish failure.


"But a fiasco? A fiasco is a disaster of mythic proportions."


And readers, that's Alice in Wonderland for you - a bona fide, bums-in-the-air fiasco that needs to be burned and the ashes hurtled off in the direction of the nearest black hole as soon as you can, NASA.
In fact it's Lesbian Vampire Killers bad - the kind of film that you don't just dislike or even hate, but one that your body physically rejects like a dodgy organ transplant.
I know it sounds extreme. After all, this is a much-touted, mega-budget, 3D spectacular from none other than Tim Burton and Disney, starring a host of family favourites.
So let me explain. Set 15 or so years after the original Alice adventures, this film stars Mia Wasikowska as a 19-year-old Alice who remembers nothing of her first trip down the rabbit hole.
In the middle of an embarrassing marriage proposal, she flees to the woods, tumbles down the hole again and learns it is her destiny to kill the Jabberwocky, dethrone the Red Queen (Helena Bonham Carter) and return power to her White sister (Anne Hathaway).
In 2008, when Tim Burton chose Mia to play Alice, she had never acted in a big feature film before. And that remains true to this day.
Cos bejaysus - there's not been a lead character this paper-flat since the South Park movie.
The girl's got all the warmth of a refrigerated trout, and a face you'd expect to see Blu-Tacked to the inside of a London phone box. She's not a heroine - she looks like she's ON heroin.
She wanders through Wonderland - which has been renamed Underland for no good reason.
Flailing
And along the way she meets the expected cast of characters played by famous names in full-on, blazing-egos, celeb-cameo mode. Paul Whitehouse does his See You Jimmy voice as the March Hare, and Alan Rickman texts in his five-or-so lines as the Caterpillar. Matt Lucas is Tweedledum and Tweedledee - two fake-looking CGI lumps with half a personality between them. And Stephen Fry plays the Cheshire Cat (the only beast in fiction smugger than him).
All of them use funny-voice humour - where you get a wacky accent in place of actual gags.
But worst of all - and it pains me to say it - are Johnny Depp and Helena.
Johnny's Mad Hatter is a flailing, pointless idiot whose Scottish accent comes and goes like Ashley Cole on a US tour. It's the worst part he's played in his life.
And whoever thought up his "breakdance" should be dragged out into the street and given the Saigon Execution treatment.
Then there's Helena. She's Burton's missus so that's probably why he found it too hard to breathe those words that no husband wants to say to his wife:
"Stop doing a seventh-rate impression of Queenie from Blackadder II and put some bloody EFFORT into it, woman."
Now on to the special effects. Oddly, for a kids' film, there are THREE instances of someone getting spiked through the eyeball. By the third time, Burton's managed the peculiar trick of being disgusting AND boring at the same time.
The 3D's cack, too. Remember Avatar and Up, with their long, graceful, tracking shots that drew you right into the picture? Well, there's none of that here.
Instead you get flat-looking people slightly in front of a flat-looking backdrop, and the occasional pointy thing shoved in your face - all cut together at a speed that'll snap your retinas.
Because while Burton knows how to make a 2D movie look good, he plainly doesn't understand that the same techniques can sink a 3D one.
Burton on his A-game is a force to be reckoned with. Think Sweeney Todd, Edward Scissorhands and Batman Returns.
But if there is a letter 26 places past Z, that's the type of game he's on here.
So let me call it now: Alice in Wonder- land - the most disappointing film of 2010.
And just call me the Mad Hater.

rebelpig
03-04-2010, 05:53 AM
That News of the World reviewer didn't like any of the films he saw & reviewed. Infact it left me convinced he didn't like film at all!!
Perhaps it was down to a bad Hotdog! :-)

DinoLast
03-04-2010, 09:06 AM
That News of the World reviewer didn't like any of the films he saw & reviewed. Infact it left me convinced he didn't like film at all!!
Perhaps it was down to a bad Hotdog! :-)

I agree the guy seems to dislike everything, so I don't think he will keep his job for long.
If you want free advertising for a Newspaper you should really give all blockbusters the thumbs up, so the paper's name appears on the poster.

Empire or Total Film reviewers are normal on the money for me.

CelticPredator
03-04-2010, 09:54 AM
The only way to watch this movie it seems, is either-

A(Drunk
B(Stoned outta your mind
C(Tripping on Acid
D( Tripping on Shrooms.

If you do not do these, or cannot get to them...I suggest you dont see it. :lol

-Super Hans-
03-04-2010, 10:04 AM
A popular paper in the UK
The News of the World ripped it to pieces


She's not a heroine - she looks like she's ON heroin.


Wow.... thats really harsh :lol

galactiboy
03-04-2010, 10:25 AM
I dont get the hate for Charlie at all.....totally understand Apes though....eh.

Really? From the Michael Jacksonesque Wonka portrayal, to the horrendous Oompa Loompa dance routines... what is there not to hate :lol

And another case where the original is so far superior that the remake is just unnecessary. Very similar to the result with POTA.

CelticPredator
03-04-2010, 10:54 AM
I still love it so.

Not as much as Wonka though. Gene is still better in every way....but still.

LOTRFan
03-04-2010, 10:56 AM
... what is there not to hate :lol

I liked Christopher Lee as a creepy dentist, and the carosel scene; but other than that, yeah it was bugger. :sick

tomandshell
03-04-2010, 10:59 AM
Well, I have tickets for Alice at the IMAX tomorrow afternoon. I hope it's OK.

Josette
03-04-2010, 04:07 PM
Most of what I'm hearing about this movie is what I was expecting to hear.

Wor-Gar
03-04-2010, 10:59 PM
The simple fact that the commercial for this movie is on every five seconds told me this was going to be a mess weeks ago. No studio spends that kind of ad dollars if the film is good; they don't need to, word of mouth is free and the best advertising you can have.

But like everyone else here, I'll see it this weekend. And this movie should have a huge opening weekend because of it.

bidge1000
03-04-2010, 11:13 PM
And so the haters begin their quest to throw crap at everything they were too scared or not talented enough to do themselves!

I am literally giddy like a little girl with excitement for this movie, Tim Burton even made me like a musical with his Sweeney Todd.

This is going to ROCKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whatever anyone else says.

D
:chew:chew:chew:chew:chew

CelticPredator
03-04-2010, 11:17 PM
Ugh. I hate people who say things like the above.

bidge1000
03-04-2010, 11:23 PM
Ugh. I hate people who say things like the above.

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl
you clever little thing.

D

CelticPredator
03-04-2010, 11:27 PM
God you're strange. So very very strange. I bet you think I hate this movie already.

Fanboys...they just dont read.

Maglor
03-04-2010, 11:28 PM
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing it anyway.

Having read some reviews my expectations are lower than when I first heard about it, but I'm still looking forward to it. Movie critics are paid to be cynical and jaded.

Just go in to the theater with the heart of a child and live in Wonderland for a while.




And I for one, loved Charlie.

CelticPredator
03-04-2010, 11:31 PM
Well, it is totally possible for a movie to just flat out suck. No matter how imaginative it is. See Spy Kids -3D. Hidous film.

Also see- Shark Boy and Lava Girl. Written by a kid I think. Crap too.


Still looking forward to Alice, because Burton rarely lets me down. But i'm going in with low expectations.

bidge1000
03-04-2010, 11:32 PM
God you're strange. So very very strange. I bet you think I hate this movie already.

Fanboys...they just dont read.

no no I got it mr sensitive :o

D

CelticPredator
03-04-2010, 11:35 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/mutant_facepalm.jpg

EVILFACE
03-04-2010, 11:46 PM
Seeing it in Imax on sat, but the movie does look like a fail to me.

King Darkness
03-05-2010, 01:43 AM
Seeing it in Imax on sat, but the movie does look like a fail to me.

BadMoon
03-05-2010, 05:14 AM
I am literally giddy like a little girl with excitement for this movie, Tim Burton even made me like a musical with his Sweeney Todd.

Oh ssstoopp it. *Flicks wrist at bidge1000*

:elefant:elefant:elefant:elefant:elefant:elefant

occulum
03-05-2010, 05:49 AM
Well, it is totally possible for a movie to just flat out suck. No matter how imaginative it is. See Spy Kids -3D. Hidous film.

Also see- Shark Boy and Lava Girl. Written by a kid I think. Crap too.


both by the man who has your Predators in his hands .... :lol

CelticPredator
03-05-2010, 07:15 AM
Yes, and he's also made Desperado, From Dusk Till Dawn, Once Upon A Time In Mexico, Planet Terror, Sin City, The Faculty and Spy Kids.

I have total faith in him, he's one of my favorite directors of all time.

It's just his kids films suck. Really really hard.

Reinhardt
03-05-2010, 07:22 AM
Yes, and he's also made Desperado, From Dusk Till Dawn, Once Upon A Time In Mexico, Planet Terror, Sin City, The Faculty and Spy Kids.

I have total faith in him, he's one of my favorite directors of all time.

It's just his kids films suck. Really really hard.

I agree completely. I was actually quite excited when I heard that Rodriguez is going to do it. Plus Rodriguez is probably the most money concious director out there. You look at his films and he spends half of what other directors do, with still the same results on screen. I have no doubt that the 40 million spent on Predators will look like 80 million.

Ok, back to Tim Burton now...

The Ween
03-05-2010, 07:36 AM
I plan on seeing this. The movie might not be the best, but the visuals look great.

I'm betting there will be people trying to compare this to Avatar. :rolleyes:

agen_kolar
03-05-2010, 07:51 AM
Thought this was a decent flick. Something wasn't right with it, but I've yet to put my finger on it. The visuals were pretty amazing - trailer doesn't do it justice. Also, I can tell you that the 3D is just a gimmick and not really necessary. It's nothing like Avatar, so don't bother. Save the money and see it in 2D.

Helena Bonham Carter, and to a lesser extent, Anne Hathaway stole the show. Johnny Depp's Mad Hatter could've been played by anyone, it wasn't one of his better roles. The voice acting for the CG characters was also really good.

kobayashi93
03-05-2010, 09:47 AM
Also, I can tell you that the 3D is just a gimmick and not really necessary. It's nothing like Avatar, so don't bother. Save the money and see it in 2D.
Thanks for the heads up on this.

I'm going to see it tonight.

Kuzeh
03-05-2010, 09:51 AM
I'm definitely checking this one out...
The only Burton movie that really disappointed me was POTA...

Maglor
03-05-2010, 10:41 AM
I'm definitely checking this one out...
The only Burton movie that really disappointed me was POTA...


:lecture





Thought this was a decent flick. Something wasn't right with it, but I've yet to put my finger on it. The visuals were pretty amazing - trailer doesn't do it justice. Also, I can tell you that the 3D is just a gimmick and not really necessary. It's nothing like Avatar, so don't bother. Save the money and see it in 2D.

Helena Bonham Carter, and to a lesser extent, Anne Hathaway stole the show. Johnny Depp's Mad Hatter could've been played by anyone, it wasn't one of his better roles. The voice acting for the CG characters was also really good.

Again, thanks for the heads up.

I was leaning that way, but now I'm sure.

CelticPredator
03-05-2010, 03:18 PM
I plan on seeing this. The movie might not be the best, but the visuals look great.

I'm betting there will be people trying to compare this to Avatar. :rolleyes:

Already happend at my school.

"ZOMG TEH 3DZ WUZ BETTER DEN AVATR CUZ IT HAZ TEH DEPP!111"

plasmid303
03-05-2010, 09:18 PM
Just got back from seeing this. I didn't enjoy it quite as much as my gf. I thought the first half was good, and then it just went downhill from there, with the final parts a mess. This is not the Alice in Wonderland of my childhood.

We saw it in 2D, I'm glad we did, because one of the best aspects of the movie are the wide-gamut of colors. It's often very pretty to look at and I'm sure seeing it in 3D would have dampened some of that beauty.

Maglor
03-05-2010, 11:45 PM
Just got back from seeing this. I didn't enjoy it quite as much as my gf. I thought the first half was good, and then it just went downhill from there, with the final parts a mess. This is not the Alice in Wonderland of my childhood.

We saw it in 2D, I'm glad we did, because one of the best aspects of the movie are the wide-gamut of colors. It's often very pretty to look at and I'm sure seeing it in 3D would have dampened some of that beauty.

I think that's an important point. From what I understand (I haven't seen it yet) the movie takes imagery, character elements, and some plot points from both Alice In Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass and presents a totally new story.


The question is, if you forget the Alice of your childhood does it stand up on its own merits?

kobayashi93
03-06-2010, 12:21 AM
I give it a 5.1/10, which is just barely positive on my scale. I thought it was a mess pace wise. Next scene, next scene, next scene.....

I went with a hardcore Alice in Wonderland fan, and she wasn't impressed with it at all.:lol

The little dances at the end by the hatter and Alice were rather lame imo.

Jessica
03-06-2010, 12:33 AM
I'm only going to watch it because I need to see the spectacular costumes. I know it's going to suck hard because I still can't forgive Burton for Planet of the Apes. Still bitterly disappointed about that one.

plasmid303
03-06-2010, 06:49 AM
I think that's an important point. From what I understand (I haven't seen it yet) the movie takes imagery, character elements, and some plot points from both Alice In Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass and presents a totally new story.


The question is, if you forget the Alice of your childhood does it stand up on its own merits?

Good point you've brought up. If I judged this film solely on its own merits totally detached from its source material...then I might have appreciated the world more as Burton could only create. However, as a film it still wouldn't be fantastic, or fantastical. It's very...Disney. Predictable, and formulaic. The final third of a film is a mess in terms of pacing. I disliked the ending quite a bit.

Unfortunately, it is impossible for me to not compare this with the LC story that took life inside my mind (with the aid of the animated film later on) when I was young.

Darklord Dave
03-06-2010, 04:33 PM
Wow. Devin at CHUD has a perfect record of completely 100% disagreeing with me on every level.

I had no expectations for this film at all. The trailer promised another visual extravaganza from Burton but light on story and character like ALL his films, every single one. I figured it might be a mild distraction like Chocolate Factory - beautiful to look at but a failure on the narrative level. So I was not going in with any preconceived expectation of awesomeness of a diehard Burton fan. But I have to say that I think this is most likely my favorite film of his EVER.

I do have to admit that everything is better in digital 3D, and that does add a dimension (pun intended) to the movie going experience that isn't present with flat films. But the sights and sounds (great score by Elfman) of the film drew me in, and for the first time I was truly drawn in by a Burton character. Alice has a very defined character arc, simplistic as it may be, it's definitely there and infinitely relatable, not only for young women, but for everyone. She very much follows the traditional Campbell Hero's Journey, but there's nothing wrong with that. And Depp is heartbreaking, funny, brave and wacky in a character called inconsistent because he is actually, truly at least half-mad (crazy mad, as in mentally instable). And we get to see the event that unhinged him - again, it's a simplistic character beat, but Tarrant (the Hatter's true name), is someone we can identify with and sympathize with completely. Depp goes in and out of madness and in and out of a Scots accent, but you can see the work he's doing and the real thought that lies behind the characterization. His Highlander homage near the end is also a great moment.

In fact many of the characters have a depth that is far beyond a Disney "kid's" film or a Burton film. Glover's evil Knave of Hearts, Hathaway's White Queen - even the little Dormouse are distinct characters that we can hate or care about. Bonham-Carter's Red Queen is even a tad sympathetic, made human by her hidden frustration at not being lovable like her sister and settling for ruling by fear.

I think much of the bad reviews may be centered on expectations. The original story of Alice in Wonderland is full of childish whimsy, a story for small children that is designed to amuse and nothing more. This film is a sequel to the original Alice and Through the Looking Glass and where the older stories were for kids, this story is not really aimed at that audience. It is much, much darker and deals with more adult themes (adult as in complex, not as in sexual) and is about a young woman finding out that she may or may not have a destiny.

Not only is it very dark, it is an adventure story and not a comedy as some might be expecting. There are some funny moments, but this isn't a traditional children's film that may build up the tension to then cut it with a laugh. I definitely wouldn't recommend it for anyone under 10 and I think they'd need to be 13-14 to really appreciate it. However the 3 or 4 year old in row I was in, seemed entranced by it and didn't fidget or complain. He seemed completely engaged and asked occasional questions about the characters on screen.

There is one misstep and I think it's a colossal one - the Fudwacket(?) breakdance seems completely out of place and unnecessary, both from Tarrant and later it's echo with Alice. It takes one out of the film so completely, it could definitely leave a bad taste in the mouth on leaving the theater.

But that's just a tiny party of an otherwise great and grand film that is visually, one of the most remarkable films ever made. It doesn't have the geologic or biologic realism of an Avatar, but the fantasy characters - all out of proportion and scale with every other character, are brilliantly realized.

Perhaps my appreciation will fade after the glow of just viewing the movie has passed, but I do think that it will remain my favorite Burton film.

Maglor
03-06-2010, 04:48 PM
^^^^

Thank you so much for this great review. :) [Better than Sweeney Todd, Edward Scissorhands, and Batman though?]

I am off with my wife to see it in a couple hours. I will report back with my opinions later on.

Agent0028
03-06-2010, 05:16 PM
Wow Dave, good review. You've practically convinced me I need to see it.

CelticPredator
03-06-2010, 06:08 PM
I saw this movie so high on THC Soda. I hated it. Gave me an anxiety attack, freaked me out to a level I never new a movie could do. This ____ was crazy. Goddamn. It was like a dream I couldnt wake up from.

I'll give it a second chance, but I remember the movie not making any sense, and how utterly lame the Fuddwacker or whatever that dance was. Not to mention how scary it was to see someone's head spin that way....ew.

But I think this is one of Burton's worst.

Darklord Dave
03-06-2010, 06:49 PM
^^^^

Thank you so much for this great review. :) [Better than Sweeney Todd, Edward Scissorhands, and Batman though?]

I am off with my wife to see it in a couple hours. I will report back with my opinions later on.

I guess you could say that it's rated by how many times I'd go "man, that's dumb." It happened a LOT in Scissorhands, only once in Todd and about 5 or 6 times in Batman. But I only thought it once (Fuddwhacker) in Alice.

Mesa
03-06-2010, 07:04 PM
Wow. Devin at CHUD has a perfect record of completely 100% disagreeing with me on every level.

I had no expectations for this film at all. The trailer promised another visual extravaganza from Burton but light on story and character like ALL his films, every single one. I figured it might be a mild distraction like Chocolate Factory - beautiful to look at but a failure on the narrative level. So I was not going in with any preconceived expectation of awesomeness of a diehard Burton fan. But I have to say that I think this is most likely my favorite film of his EVER.

I do have to admit that everything is better in digital 3D, and that does add a dimension (pun intended) to the movie going experience that isn't present with flat films. But the sights and sounds (great score by Elfman) of the film drew me in, and for the first time I was truly drawn in by a Burton character. Alice has a very defined character arc, simplistic as it may be, it's definitely there and infinitely relatable, not only for young women, but for everyone. She very much follows the traditional Campbell Hero's Journey, but there's nothing wrong with that. And Depp is heartbreaking, funny, brave and wacky in a character called inconsistent because he is actually, truly at least half-mad (crazy mad, as in mentally instable). And we get to see the event that unhinged him - again, it's a simplistic character beat, but Tarrant (the Hatter's true name), is someone we can identify with and sympathize with completely. Depp goes in and out of madness and in and out of a Scots accent, but you can see the work he's doing and the real thought that lies behind the characterization. His Highlander homage near the end is also a great moment.

In fact many of the characters have a depth that is far beyond a Disney "kid's" film or a Burton film. Glover's evil Knave of Hearts, Hathaway's White Queen - even the little Dormouse are distinct characters that we can hate or care about. Bonham-Carter's Red Queen is even a tad sympathetic, made human by her hidden frustration at not being lovable like her sister and settling for ruling by fear.

I think much of the bad reviews may be centered on expectations. The original story of Alice in Wonderland is full of childish whimsy, a story for small children that is designed to amuse and nothing more. This film is a sequel to the original Alice and Through the Looking Glass and where the older stories were for kids, this story is not really aimed at that audience. It is much, much darker and deals with more adult themes (adult as in complex, not as in sexual) and is about a young woman finding out that she may or may not have a destiny.

Not only is it very dark, it is an adventure story and not a comedy as some might be expecting. There are some funny moments, but this isn't a traditional children's film that may build up the tension to then cut it with a laugh. I definitely wouldn't recommend it for anyone under 10 and I think they'd need to be 13-14 to really appreciate it. However the 3 or 4 year old in row I was in, seemed entranced by it and didn't fidget or complain. He seemed completely engaged and asked occasional questions about the characters on screen.

There is one misstep and I think it's a colossal one - the Fudwacket(?) breakdance seems completely out of place and unnecessary, both from Tarrant and later it's echo with Alice. It takes one out of the film so completely, it could definitely leave a bad taste in the mouth on leaving the theater.

But that's just a tiny party of an otherwise great and grand film that is visually, one of the most remarkable films ever made. It doesn't have the geologic or biologic realism of an Avatar, but the fantasy characters - all out of proportion and scale with every other character, are brilliantly realized.

Perhaps my appreciation will fade after the glow of just viewing the movie has passed, but I do think that it will remain my favorite Burton film.



Okay, based on that, I will go see it. My neighbor just saw it, I said " I heard not so good" and he said he really liked it. And my neighbor is 75 but definitely not showing it.

So with those two combined, I'm seeing it tomorrow.

CelticPredator
03-06-2010, 09:25 PM
I keep having horrible flash backs to this movie. I hate pure THC....bad thoughts, bad thoughts! Even the score unnerves me.

Maglor
03-06-2010, 10:01 PM
I guess you could say that it's rated by how many times I'd go "man, that's dumb." It happened a LOT in Scissorhands, only once in Todd and about 5 or 6 times in Batman. But I only thought it once (Fuddwhacker) in Alice.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Wow, I just don't know what to say to that...


Clearly you don't get Burton. Each is entitled to his opinion... I for one have a big poster of Edward Scissorhands right over my monitor right now. ("The story of an uncommonly gentle man.") One of my favorite movies of all time.


Regarding Alice: I just got back from seeing it and I'm happy to say that it exceeded my expectations in most ways.

I was actually very pleased with the story. My favorite part of Through the Looking Glass was always "Jabberwocky" and I was not expecting...

So much of the plot to revolve around that poem!!!

I was mouthing along with parts of the movie because I used to have all of Jabberwocky memorized (and I still remember most of it):



'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! and through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
:rock


A very pleasant surprise!



I also liked that a favorite line from the book was featured so prominently in the movie several times and even at the climax...

I have this hanging in my bathroom...
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/P1060610.jpg
...and now every morning I will be thinking "I can slay the Jabberwock"!!!:rock


Another nice surprise was that Crispin Glover was in the movie. I'm a big fan of his and somehow I didn't know he was going to be in it!





Now for the bad. :(

As Dave said, the Mad Hatters breakdance was way out of place. Even more so, the music during that scene is straight out of Elfman's Umpa Lumpa music from CATCF. This is a period piece and that brief moment of modern music really takes you out of the film. Thankfully it's a pretty short scene.

What bothered me more was the quality of the CGI. Perhaps I am spoiled by the amazing effects of AVATAR (it's the last movie I saw) and it's motion capture, but the way characters moved looked choppy in Alice. Stayne (Crispin Glover) in particular really stood out as not moving naturally. From the first time I saw his whole body, all I could think about when he was on screen was how unnatural he looked. This brings the score down for me quite a bit.


Right now I am giving the movie a 7 out of 10.


But if they make an Alice figure wearing her knight's armor with the vorpal blade I will buy it!!!

The Ween
03-06-2010, 10:39 PM
I keep having horrible flash backs to this movie. I hate pure THC....bad thoughts, bad thoughts! Even the score unnerves me.

Should've used that before watching Wolverine, then maybe you would've appreciated it more. :D

CelticPredator
03-06-2010, 11:08 PM
Deadpool would've haunted my dreams. That horrible peice of doo doo...:(

Darklord Dave
03-07-2010, 01:00 AM
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Wow, I just don't know what to say to that...


Clearly you don't get Burton. Each is entitled to his opinion... I for one have a big poster of Edward Scissorhands right over my monitor right now. ("The story of an uncommonly gentle man.") One of my favorite movies of all time.

!

There really isn't anything to "get" with Burton. While I'm not a diehard Burton fanboy - I do appreciate his films - aside from Scissorhands, Ed Wood, PotA and Big Fish I've really enjoyed everything he's done. And don't get me wrong about Batman - I saw it 8 times in the theatre and absolutely love it, the same way I love the Donner Superman. But there are some really, really stupid things in that movie, just as there are in most Burton films. Perhaps my expectations for Alice were so exceedingly low because I recognize Burton's limitations as a gothic visual director - and he does that better than anyone working today rivaled perhaps only by Gilliam, but he doesn't even try to do much with character or story. That's kind of why I enjoyed Alice so much- I really saw that he had grown as a director with this film.

CelticPredator
03-07-2010, 01:02 AM
Aside from 3 of his best movies? Edward Sissorhands was really well done, as was Big Fish. And of course Ed Wood is his finest film to date. The best look, the best acting, everything was top notch there.

Maglor
03-07-2010, 04:49 PM
There really isn't anything to "get" with Burton.


Nothing to get? I don't mean that you are incapable of understanding his films. His stories aren't meant to be complex. They aren't intelectual thrillers or deep philosophical journeys.


You need to "get" them with your :redblob.


Not everyone is capable of this. Burton gives us inventive versions of arch-typical characters in a truly unique and gothic setting. His films reach your inner child and give a simple touching lesson on how to live (or how not to in the case of Sweeney Todd).

Johnny Depp has said that Edward Scissorhands was the character that he most strives to be in life (or something like that). Depp gets Burton.


And so do I.

LOTRFan
03-07-2010, 04:59 PM
I do appreciate his films - aside from Scissorhands, Ed Wood, PotA and Big Fish I've really enjoyed everything he's done.

:horror For shame Dave! :emperor

Agent0028
03-07-2010, 05:17 PM
Edward Sissorhands commercials terrified me as a child. Just though I'd share that.

More on topic, my cousin is a huge Burton fan and loved the movie.

ProgMatinee
03-07-2010, 06:34 PM
I dispise most Tim Burton films. He's soo 1 dimensional. The only film I really like of his is Nightmare Before Christmas.

CelticPredator
03-07-2010, 07:31 PM
He didnt make that by the way. :D

Agent0028
03-07-2010, 07:34 PM
What do you mean by he didn't make it?

Bannister
03-07-2010, 07:41 PM
Stayne (Crispin Glover) in particular really stood out as not moving naturally. From the first time I saw his whole body, all I could think about when he was on screen was how unnatural he looked. This brings the score down for me quite a bit.


I thought that was done on purpose. I don't think he was supposed to move naturally.

Bannister
03-07-2010, 07:42 PM
What do you mean by he didn't make it?

It was directed by Henry Selick, not Tim Burton.

Maglor
03-07-2010, 07:49 PM
I thought that was done on purpose. I don't think he was supposed to move naturally.

If that's the case then what a huge mistake!!!

But I don't think that's the case as I have seen that kind of hurky-jerky kind of motion in other poorly done CG characters. Plus Stayne wasn't the only character in the movie that looked that way at times, for example: Stayne's horse. When we see Stayne for the first time, he climbs up on his horse, I think his horse rears up and they ride away. Looks atrocious! :sick

Maglor
03-07-2010, 07:54 PM
It was directed by Henry Selick, not Tim Burton.

Correct, Burton wrote and produced it.

ProgMatinee
03-07-2010, 07:54 PM
It was directed by Henry Selick, not Tim Burton.

HAHAHA. Then yeah, I guess I don't like anything of his!

Maglor
03-07-2010, 07:59 PM
Like I said, some just don't "get" Burton.

Agent0028
03-07-2010, 08:01 PM
Well if he wrote it wouldn't that be the other side of the same coin in it being one of his movies?

ProgMatinee
03-07-2010, 08:33 PM
Like I said, some just don't "get" Burton.

That pretty much indicates that he's a one trick pony though. His actors are predictable, his atmosphere is predictable, his sense of humor is predictable. If you don't like a few of his movies you probably won't like any of them.

Other directors you can like some but not all of their work and it wouldn't be about "getting" the director but rather "getting" the specific movie. I think movies should feel like themselves and not so much like the director that does it. Burton film, Shamalan film, etc I don't like that. I think a good director doesn't need to let you know that its his film by giving you his patented style.

Kal-El
03-07-2010, 09:03 PM
I couldn't wait for it to be over.

Mesa
03-07-2010, 09:07 PM
I liked it. Was it as good as Avatar? Not even close. Was it Burton's best? No, I still think sweeney Todd was one of his recent best films.

But this movie was enjoyable. It reminded me a lot of Narnia, which I also enjoy.

Definitely not a film for anyone undr the age of 10. Some kid started screaming during the final fight scene when the beast was felled. 3-D was just okay, nothing like Avatar, and this was my second "modern" 3-D film.

Maglor
03-07-2010, 09:09 PM
That pretty much indicates that he's a one trick pony though. His actors are predictable, his atmosphere is predictable, his sense of humor is predictable. If you don't like a few of his movies you probably won't like any of them.

Other directors you can like some but not all of their work and it wouldn't be about "getting" the director but rather "getting" the specific movie. I think movies should feel like themselves and not so much like the director that does it. Burton film, Shamalan film, etc I don't like that. I think a good director doesn't need to let you know that its his film by giving you his patented style.

I see your point, but don't totally agree. Other examples of directors that have a signature style would be Terry Gilliam and David Lynch. They make movies the way they do because that's what they love, and their fans follow them for that reason.


Same could be said of bands/musical artists. They have a signature sound. Most bands more or less stick to that sound, or at least style. Many bands evolve, but still are recognizable as that band.

I think Burton has evolved, but he is still Burton, and his signature is all over Alice In Wonderland.

ProgMatinee
03-07-2010, 09:16 PM
thats true about bands...they do need to stick to whatever they feel is "who they are". I probably just don't like Burton's style so much it actually detracts my interest in his films. I know I purposely skipped on "Sweeney Todd" just because it looked exactly like any other Burton/Depp movie just a new story and characters, but exact same atmosphere. I think with bands, I like bands for the style, but movies I like for the story.

Burton films seem more about style than story.

Maglor
03-07-2010, 09:22 PM
Dude, you really should give Sweeney Todd a try!

Takes the Gothic element of his style to a whole new level.

It is very dark.:bat

And very cool.:emperor

And very bloody!:stake


And it does not have a happy ending.

Fitting and satisfying, but not happy.


Did you like Sleepy Hollow?

CelticPredator
03-07-2010, 10:11 PM
Burton isnt that hard to get. His movies will either entertain you, or not. He's not deep.

Shai
03-08-2010, 05:53 AM
aside from scissorhands, ed wood, big fish i've really enjoyed everything he's done. .



what ???? You're a crazy man.


Ed wood is a masterpiece and the 2 others are nearly as awesome too.

And i'm always touched by his movies so I dont agree with the comment by another poster that he's just style.

devilof76
03-08-2010, 06:01 AM
Style is content. Burton has plenty of both.

And I agree with Shai. Ed Wood and Scissorhands were both emotionally potent movies. Add Sleepy Hollow to that too.

It's possible that there are people who just can't relate to the emotional content of his films. I assume that would make them seem empty to those who don't like them. Or something like that.

ProgMatinee
03-08-2010, 07:18 AM
i didn't say its ALL style, just that its style OVER story...for me anyway. and this is coming from someone who is admitting I judge the book by its cover in the case of Sweeny Todd and I guess this Alice in Wonderland. I see a preview with Johnny Depp in a Burton film and I just think "oh I've seen that already" or "its another goth film"...

I'm not trying to belittle the films in anyway, just saying they aren't really my thing.

IrishJedi
03-08-2010, 08:04 AM
aside from Scissorhands, Ed Wood, and Big Fish I've really enjoyed everything he's done.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

:google

Dude, those are almost unanimously considered his 3 best films.



I'm not trying to belittle the films in anyway, just saying they aren't really my thing.
Well, he's certainly become very one-dimensional in recent years. Aside from BIG FISH (and SWEENEY TODD, to some extent) he's almost become a parody of himself.

LOTRFan
03-08-2010, 09:47 AM
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

:google

Dude, those are almost unanimously considered his 3 best films.


Dave just like to be a detractor. :naughty

Maglor
03-08-2010, 03:21 PM
Style is content. Burton has plenty of both.

And I agree with Shai. Ed Wood and Scissorhands were both emotionally potent movies. Add Sleepy Hollow to that too.

It's possible that there are people who just can't relate to the emotional content of his films. I assume that would make them seem empty to those who don't like them. Or something like that.

:lecture


I just said that! Is anybody listening to me!!!:monkey2

:D

Darklord Dave
03-08-2010, 06:54 PM
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

:google

Dude, those are almost unanimously considered his 3 best films.



Well, he's certainly become very one-dimensional in recent years. Aside from BIG FISH (and SWEENEY TODD, to some extent) he's almost become a parody of himself.

Beetlejuice, Batman and Sweeney Todd (and now Alice in Wonderland) are his best films. Ed Wood had some great performances, but I couldn't have cared any less for the characters. I don't even remember what Big Fish was about, it was so boring and Scissorhands had some cool visuals, but I just didn't buy the metaphor.

Maglor
03-08-2010, 09:11 PM
Big Fish made me cry like a little girl.


...come to think of it, to a lesser extent, so did Edward.


But Alice didn't.

...O.K. a little bit when she said: "Number 6: I can slay the Jabberwock!"

cerealkeller
03-08-2010, 09:27 PM
Saw this yesterday. Rated it in the rate movies thread. Gotta say I'm really tired of Tim Burton. I like his style and love his art (I own his book Meloncholy Death of Oyster Boy) but he needs better scripts. My favorite movies of his are Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Big Fish and Pee Wees Big Adventure(dont care LOVE that movie!) He can be such a great film maker when he has a good script. Just seems to me he would rather make movies that inspire product to sell at Hot Topic. Had high hopes for Alice but was let down again.

Maglor
03-08-2010, 09:39 PM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/for%20fun/TheJabberwocky.jpg

tomandshell
03-08-2010, 09:42 PM
http://www.omgposters.com/alice.jpg

Maglor
03-08-2010, 09:49 PM
^^^

What is that from?

Love the avatar btw!!!:lol

CelticPredator
03-08-2010, 09:59 PM
That's the Slender-Man. A creation from Something Awful.com.

kazukijun
03-09-2010, 12:18 PM
Just caught it today,love it!
Love the visuals, the music score (I actually thought Danny Elfman has really out did himself this time, music style was not easily recognizable as compared to his previous works)

I like the adventure feel of the show, how things unfold gradually and Alice finally realizes what she has to do.

Shall add this to the list of fav Tim Burton's show.

Adoptedscot
03-10-2010, 04:31 AM
Wow, I been reading this thread and it seems that this film is really hit and miss.
I must admit from the bits/clips I've seen I'm certainly in no rush to see it.
x :peace

Maglor
03-10-2010, 10:29 AM
^^^

See it! :lecture









...or not. :dunno

Kuzeh
03-11-2010, 11:09 AM
Finally saw it last night!!

I liked it a lot! I went in there with very low expectations after all the mixed reviews, but I gotta say, this is a very interesting twist on the original concept... it actually makes some sense :lol
Of course purist will most likely hate it, but I enjoyed it a lot.

I wouldn't call Burton's best, but it's definitely a really good movie, not great and memorable though... it is a bit formulaic, yet you care for the characters... actually I was more worried about the fate of everyone else but Alice's.
Great characters, the CGI is beautiful, and the world created is unique and compelling.

bidge1000
03-11-2010, 10:32 PM
Well I saw it tonight and as I said it would, it rocked.....hard!
I think those of you who are unsure about seeing it need to stop hanging on the words of reviewers, here and elsewhere and go see it if you're curious. If you're not, then that's cool too.

I know Tim Burtons work, I know Lewis Carrols work, I knew what to expect. You're taken to Wonderland plain and simple and it's a great big eye popping adventure. If you're open and up for going on that ride then you'll have a great time.

I'm going to have to see it again for sure.

D